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Location: Alberta, Canada | I just purchased three new mares, all with reining or cow horse bloodlines. A daughter of Paddys Irish Whiskey, a Daughter of Grays Starlight and a Daughter of Topsail Whiz. I lucked out into a purchase agreement for them and am wondering if anyone has any experience running these bloodlines, or any recommendations on who to breed to?? I'm feeling pretty excited right now.... But don't even know where to start looking for studs. Any ideas?
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| If they are own daughters of those 3 studs you need to stick with the reining and cutting bloodlines and go to the most recent stud that has won the Ft Worth Futurity or the Super Stakes .... these are very well bred mares... so stick to the events they were bred to compete in ...
Look how the top sellers sold and pedigrees in these two sales and who the sale prep people were ... use them to prep the babies since the big money follow these preppers big time ... call the preppers and find out who they think will be the next big gun stallion ... they are great at forecasting this kind of stuff ...
They are not packing enough speed to compliment even the speediest of barrel stallions and if you look at sales the cutter/reiner crosses on powerful high priced barrel stallions bring a lot less than a good speed or barrel mare bred to the same stallions ...
GOOD LUCK...
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Location: In a happy place | I normally don't post if I don't have something nice to say but.......the Paddy's I have had experience with. The ones I have dealt with had plenty of speed but all were bucking fools. Real hard headed and untrustworthy all around. Didn't have a very good work ethic.
I would sure want to breed that mare to a really nice dispositioned stud. I am sure there are some really nice ones but I just never found one for myself. They are really some good looking horses though. |
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Location: GA | No buck in our Paddy! :) Love him to death; big teddy bear and his trainer says he has a lot more try than most horses she's rode. Perhaps he's an exception ;)
Check out the Myers and the Fultons broodmare lineup. They are crossing FG and ASOF very successfully on Paddys Irish Whiskey mares.
Vanilas Whiskey Girl is by Paddy and out of SX Frenchmans Vanila. She won the 2010 Hawki futurity.
Bring It On Guys is by FG and out of a daughter of Paddys Irish Whiskey. She won all three go's of the 5 States Breeders futurity and was 3rd at Old Fort Days.
I believe Sarah McDonald may also have a Paddys horse in her lineup, or did at one time. Its been a while since I talked to her about it :)
I wouldn't hesitate to go for a barrel baby out of your Paddy mare!! |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-25 11:33 PM If they are own daughters of those 3 studs you need to stick with the reining and cutting bloodlines and go to the most recent stud that has won the Ft Worth Futurity or the Super Stakes .... these are very well bred mares... so stick to the events they were bred to compete in ... Look how the top sellers sold and pedigrees in these two sales and who the sale prep people were ... use them to prep the babies since the big money follow these preppers big time ... call the preppers and find out who they think will be the next big gun stallion ... they are great at forecasting this kind of stuff ... They are not packing enough speed to compliment even the speediest of barrel stallions and if you look at sales the cutter/reiner crosses on powerful high priced barrel stallions bring a lot less than a good speed or barrel mare bred to the same stallions ... GOOD LUCK...
Excellent advice!!!!
And exactly what I would do. |
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Location: Texas | Who ls ASOF??? |
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Location: GA | BarrelRacingChick - 2014-02-26 9:15 AM
Who ls ASOF???
A Streak Of Fling |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Canchasr1 - 2014-02-26 7:13 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-25 11:33 PM If they are own daughters of those 3 studs you need to stick with the reining and cutting bloodlines and go to the most recent stud that has won the Ft Worth Futurity or the Super Stakes .... these are very well bred mares... so stick to the events they were bred to compete in ... Look how the top sellers sold and pedigrees in these two sales and who the sale prep people were ... use them to prep the babies since the big money follow these preppers big time ... call the preppers and find out who they think will be the next big gun stallion ... they are great at forecasting this kind of stuff ... They are not packing enough speed to compliment even the speediest of barrel stallions and if you look at sales the cutter/reiner crosses on powerful high priced barrel stallions bring a lot less than a good speed or barrel mare bred to the same stallions ... GOOD LUCK... Excellent advice!!!!
And exactly what I would do.
I actually agree as well. The foals will have more value. I would go to Playgun or one of his better sons, unless they are out of daughters that would make them too closely related. Also test them for Herda...I am out of the loop, but I was thinking one of those sires may be a carrier. |
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| Sun Frosted Rocket would be a great choice!
SUN FROSTED ROCKET, is an exceptionally good looking Appendix QH stallion, sired by Sun Frost, a dominant sire of standout barrel, roping, cutting, reining and rodeo competition horses. Progeny earnings $1.9 million … total progeny/grand progeny earnings near $3 million! Out of Call Me Wrangler, a daughter of Rocket Wrangler.
SUN FROSTED ROCKET,15.1 hh. "Sunny" is a 1-D Barrel Sire from limited ...performers!
is a 1-D barrel horse, and 19-20 pole horse. He has an excellent mind, and a huge heart. He passes on an excellent disposition to his foals, along with amazing looks. This stallion has it all, speed, stamina, and looks. If you have any questions or need further information send us a message!
"A cloudy day is no match for a Sunny disposition"
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sun+frosted+rocket
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sun-Frosted-Rocket/157971741014203?re... |
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Location: Texas | koi322 - 2014-02-26 8:24 AM
BarrelRacingChick - 2014-02-26 9:15 AM
Who ls ASOF???
A Streak Of Fling
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Location: GA | C Farms - 2014-02-26 9:34 AM
Sun Frosted Rocket would be a great choice!
SUN FROSTED ROCKET, is an exceptionally good looking Appendix QH stallion, sired by Sun Frost, a dominant sire of standout barrel, roping, cutting, reining and rodeo competition horses. Progeny earnings $1.9 million … total progeny/grand progeny earnings near $3 million! Out of Call Me Wrangler, a daughter of Rocket Wrangler.
SUN FROSTED ROCKET,15.1 hh. "Sunny" is a 1-D Barrel Sire from limited ...performers!
is a 1-D barrel horse, and 19-20 pole horse. He has an excellent mind, and a huge heart. He passes on an excellent dis position to his foals, along with amazing looks. This stallion has it all, speed, stamina, and looks. If you have any questions or need further information send us a message!
"A cloudy day is no match for a Sunny dis position"
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sun+frosted+rocket
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sun-Frosted-Rocket/157971741014203?re...
Someone posted a pic of him yesterday that showed up on my news feed on FB. Beautiful boy!! Edited by koi322 2014-02-26 8:42 AM
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-26 6:27 AM Canchasr1 - 2014-02-26 7:13 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-25 11:33 PM If they are own daughters of those 3 studs you need to stick with the reining and cutting bloodlines and go to the most recent stud that has won the Ft Worth Futurity or the Super Stakes .... these are very well bred mares... so stick to the events they were bred to compete in ... Look how the top sellers sold and pedigrees in these two sales and who the sale prep people were ... use them to prep the babies since the big money follow these preppers big time ... call the preppers and find out who they think will be the next big gun stallion ... they are great at forecasting this kind of stuff ... They are not packing enough speed to compliment even the speediest of barrel stallions and if you look at sales the cutter/reiner crosses on powerful high priced barrel stallions bring a lot less than a good speed or barrel mare bred to the same stallions ... GOOD LUCK... Excellent advice!!!!
And exactly what I would do.
Paddys Irish Whiskey is N/N across the board on his 5 panel test.
Topsail Whiz doesn't trace to Poco Bueno so no chance for HERDA.
No idea about the status of Grays Starlight. |
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Location: So. California | RacingQH - 2014-02-26 8:57 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-26 6:27 AM Canchasr1 - 2014-02-26 7:13 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-25 11:33 PM If they are own daughters of those 3 studs you need to stick with the reining and cutting bloodlines and go to the most recent stud that has won the Ft Worth Futurity or the Super Stakes .... these are very well bred mares... so stick to the events they were bred to compete in ... Look how the top sellers sold and pedigrees in these two sales and who the sale prep people were ... use them to prep the babies since the big money follow these preppers big time ... call the preppers and find out who they think will be the next big gun stallion ... they are great at forecasting this kind of stuff ... They are not packing enough speed to compliment even the speediest of barrel stallions and if you look at sales the cutter/reiner crosses on powerful high priced barrel stallions bring a lot less than a good speed or barrel mare bred to the same stallions ... GOOD LUCK... Excellent advice!!!!
And exactly what I would do.
Topsail Whiz doesn't trace to Poco Bueno so no chance for HERDA.
No idea about the status of Grays Starlight.
Since you didn't mention any of the dams, I would 5 Panel test all three, then proceed with picking a stallion. You have King in the pedigree, so GBED status is a consideration. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I REALLY like the Sun Frosted Rocket Stud! :) Live Cover Only though, and he is down in Oklahoma?...
Yes, they are direct daughters. It was just one of those once in a lifetime opportunities that came my way, and I am a sucker for reining/cutting/working cow horses. I was really hoping that I could find a cross that would produce a barrel prospect... but by the sounds of some of the replies, I should be looking to breed for an all run pedigree? I do have a daughter of A Classic Dash, but was hoping to keep riding her for a bit before breeding her.
The mares I got yesterday are bred as follows:
Whizzin Lena: Topsail Whiz x Petralena (by Justa Doc Olena)
Desire Sum Luck: Paddys Irish Whiskey x Desire a Doc (by Genuine Doc)
Starlights Stylish: Grays Starlight x Stylish Sugar (by Docs Stylish Oak)
I am not a reiner/cutter competitively, and am not looking to breed to the Ft Worth Champion, as I don't have that kind of money to spend on stud fees, semen, campaigning, training etc in order to see a return on my investment... (Or am I totally off base there?)
And, I have no idea what the "preppers" are.... Can you fill me in?
ETA: ** All 3 Mares are being 5 panel tested this week...
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| gilliegirl - 2014-02-26 11:51 AM I REALLY like the Sun Frosted Rocket Stud! :) Live Cover Only though, and he is down in Oklahoma?... Yes, they are direct daughters. It was just one of those once in a lifetime opportunities that came my way, and I am a sucker for reining/cutting/working cow horses. I was really hoping that I could find a cross that would produce a barrel prospect... but by the sounds of some of the replies, I should be looking to breed for an all run pedigree? I do have a daughter of A Classic Dash, but was hoping to keep riding her for a bit before breeding her. The mares I got yesterday are bred as follows: Whizzin Lena: Topsail Whiz x Petralena (by Justa Doc Olena) Desire Sum Luck: Paddys Irish Whiskey x Desire a Doc (by Genuine Doc) Starlights Stylish: Grays Starlight x Stylish Sugar (by Docs Stylish Oak) I am not a reiner/cutter competitively, and am not looking to breed to the Ft Worth Champion, as I don't have that kind of money to spend on stud fees, semen, campaigning, training etc in order to see a return on my investment... (Or am I totally off base there?) And, I have no idea what the "preppers" are.... Can you fill me in? ETA: ** All 3 Mares are being 5 panel tested this week...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/whizzin+lena
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/desire+sum+luck
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/whizzin+lena
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/desire+sum+luck
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/starlights+stylish
I think there's a chance for some speed in the second and third mare. I didn't see much in the first mare's pedigree. It's not realistic to expect the stallion to do everything in a cross to get what you need in a foal. In this case I would look at the mares really closely. If they move well forward (no choppy shetland pony striding) then I would consider a predominantly racebred barrel stallion. Preferrably one who is a very good mover.
If they are shetland striders I would not expect to get anything that can run much. I would not even bother breeding her unless it's for some other sport besides barrels. 
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Location: Beggs, OK | Call someone at the 6666's on the Paddys Irish Whiskey mare. They have been crossing his daughters on some of their running bred studs. Looked like some nice babies at the remuda sale.
The Grays Starlight/Docs Stylish Oak crosses well on Lizzys Gotta Player (son of Freckles Playboy).....or Royal Fletch (won the NCHA Futurity). The Fletch/Docs Stylish Oak crosses are showing very well in the barrel pen and they will cut a cow of course. Summer Huff in Florida has two Royal Fletch mares that are barely 14 hands that are 1D and are starting to hit some rodeos. |
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Location: Northern California | My first question is: What direction do you want the foals to go in? Are you wanting to run barrels or more all around? That should help give you more direction. IMO, if you wanted to run barrels, you better be breeding to some speed. Check out Dashin Dynamo!! He's young and they're just starting to promote him, so his stud fee is pretty reasonable for some big speed and proven pedigree!
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Anniemae - 2014-02-26 9:21 AM
RacingQH - 2014-02-26 8:57 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-26 6:27 AM Canchasr1 - 2014-02-26 7:13 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-25 11:33 PM If they are own daughters of those 3 studs you need to stick with the reining and cutting bloodlines and go to the most recent stud that has won the Ft Worth Futurity or the Super Stakes .... these are very well bred mares... so stick to the events they were bred to compete in ... Look how the top sellers sold and pedigrees in these two sales and who the sale prep people were ... use them to prep the babies since the big money follow these preppers big time ... call the preppers and find out who they think will be the next big gun stallion ... they are great at forecasting this kind of stuff ... They are not packing enough speed to compliment even the speediest of barrel stallions and if you look at sales the cutter/reiner crosses on powerful high priced barrel stallions bring a lot less than a good speed or barrel mare bred to the same stallions ... GOOD LUCK... Excellent advice!!!!
And exactly what I would do.
Topsail Whiz doesn't trace to Poco Bueno so no chance for HERDA.
No idea about the status of Grays Starlight.
Oh absolutely. I would 5 panel test all 3 also. I was just responding to what was said about the stallions mentioned and HERDA. Didn't mean to imply that the mares SHOULDN'T be tested. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I didn't look at the mares full pedigrees (to know if this would result in any REALLY close in or line breeding.) but I would think about PG Dry Fire. (Son of Playgun.) He had a really nice daughter running in barrel futurities and winning last year. She is also out of a 100% COW bred mare.
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| The term PREPPERS I used are the people that specialize in sale prepping horses to go into the high powered sales.
In racing LAZY E and JEH ranches take in yearlings etc for 60 days of grooming, feeding and exercising as if they were going to a beauty contest rather than a horse sale. At these high powered sales the least amount of long hair, poor condition, or trimmed feet or bridle path and condition of mane and tail can be a price buster ...... |
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Location: SE KS | You are one lucky gal!!! Love all three of those!!!!
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Thank you to everyone who has responded. I now have much to mull over! I appreciate all the input. :) |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Since you're in Alberta I'd look into Fiesta Royale or Ninety Nine Goldmine. I believe both of them are CBHI Stakes Enrolled studs. Nice mares, I'm a little jealous. |
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| PIW and the Starlight stud are full brothers. We have admired the Whiskey horses for a long time. Finally have a yearling gd another in the oven and are breeding to him this year. Some of the big name programs are using his daughters as broodmares so you sure seem to have the possiblity of having some good property on your hands. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Our handsome boy would be most happy to be your mares, or one mare's boyfriend.
www.http://barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?ID=93933
see our website he is having some outstanding foals, his very first to compete winning a check at her first 2 futurities. Looking for many more to come. |
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| koi322 - 2014-02-26 8:41 AM
C Farms - 2014-02-26 9:34 AM
Sun Frosted Rocket would be a great choice!
SUN FROSTED ROCKET, is an exceptionally good looking Appendix QH stallion, sired by Sun Frost, a dominant sire of standout barrel, roping, cutting, reining and rodeo competition horses. Progeny earnings $1.9 million … total progeny/grand progeny earnings near $3 million! Out of Call Me Wrangler, a daughter of Rocket Wrangler.
SUN FROSTED ROCKET,15.1 hh. "Sunny" is a 1-D Barrel Sire from limited ...performers!
is a 1-D barrel horse, and 19-20 pole horse. He has an excellent mind, and a huge heart. He passes on an excellent dis position to his foals, along with amazing looks. This stallion has it all, speed, stamina, and looks. If you have any questions or need further information send us a message!
"A cloudy day is no match for a Sunny dis position"
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sun+frosted+rocket
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sun-Frosted-Rocket/157971741014203?re...
Someone posted a pic of him yesterday that showed up on my news feed on FB. Beautiful boy!!
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Location: Central Texas | Kipas Special, I believe he is in utah. Gorgeous black stud with 102SI. Producer of stakes horses and barrel horses. Great cross on Dash ta Fame bred mares. If you are interested message me, I have a discounted breeding. |
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| whats the stud fee on sun frosted rocket I live in south la, we dont have many pal, stallion round surley not with his breeding. |
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| gilliegirl - 2014-02-25 10:15 PM I just purchased three new mares, all with reining or cow horse bloodlines. A daughter of Paddys Irish Whiskey, a Daughter of Grays Starlight and a Daughter of Topsail Whiz. I lucked out into a purchase agreement for them and am wondering if anyone has any experience running these bloodlines, or any recommendations on who to breed to?? I'm feeling pretty excited right now.... But don't even know where to start looking for studs. Any ideas?
Totally off topic: Original poster, what kind of puppy is in your avatar?? |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | smiley - 2014-03-14 6:00 AM
gilliegirl - 2014-02-25 10:15 PM I just purchased three new mares, all with reining or cow horse bloodlines. A daughter of Paddys Irish Whiskey, a Daughter of Grays Starlight and a Daughter of Topsail Whiz. I lucked out into a purchase agreement for them and am wondering if anyone has any experience running these bloodlines, or any recommendations on who to breed to?? I'm feeling pretty excited right now.... But don't even know where to start looking for studs. Any ideas?
Totally off topic: Original poster, what kind of puppy is in your avatar??
Not the OP, but it looks like a black and white English Springer Spaniel. |
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| gilliegirl - 2014-02-26 2:25 PM Thank you to everyone who has responded. I now have much to mull over! I appreciate all the input. :)
Weird, my comment is gone - can you tell me what kind of puppy/dog is your avatar? Nice looking dog. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Smiley, your question isn't gone. It's actually on her 3 times now. LOL. |
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Location: Montana | I'd also try the Paddy and Starlight mares to straight racebred studs with good minds. Then I'd breed the Whiz mare to a pretty colored reiner in hopes of raising a cute colt that would be easy to sell. Nothing against the Topsail Whiz horses but for my taste the other two are more likely cross-over pedigrees. I'd look for a pretty, colored stud with a good value in his stud fee. Of course if I saw the mares in person . . that might change everything!
And depending on what kind of a year I was having in general, and what I found for studs in the two categories, I'd even consider raising 2 reiners to sell the first year and one barrel prospect. You have a ton of flexibility here - and that is a nice thing!
Congrats on your good deal!
And I want a puppy like that too! (If he doesn't chase foals. . . .) I mean that! Where did you get him/her?
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Don't know what your plans are for the babies but being as these are daughters of some of the biggest names in the cow horse industry I would stick with some good cow horse studs on at least two of them and pick a versatile cow/speed stud on probably the topsail mare.
We just had a WR This Cats Smart baby and even at a month and a half old am very impressed with him. There are a awful lot of nice studs out there. Google the last ncha and nrha sales and look at the sale results to see if there was one or two sires that brought the best prices.
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