Frodo - 2014-02-27 8:50 AM I just heard about this on FOX news last night.  It appears the Obama administration in coordination with the EPA are banning the sale of wood burning stoves by 80% and may be after those who currently heat their homes with wood.........because suddenly it's a dangerous air pollutant.  Many, especially in rural areas, turned to wood because of this administrations war on the coal industry.   

NJJ - 2014-02-27 9:14 AM The agency's proposed rules would not affect stoves already in homes.



This is the one statement that I picked up out of that aticle.  

CJE - 2014-02-27 10:21 AM More stupid EPA crap.................everybody should heat with a solar panel......... 

Frodo - 2014-02-26 10:21 AM These people fail to consider the fact that someone out there is making a living building woodburning stoves.  It will cost jobs.  When Obama first came into office, he went after corporate jets, a key industry in the area where I live.  The damage took years to overcome.



 

ridejg - 2014-02-27 10:31 AM By the time Obama...the "king" will be done with this country...it will no longer be the Land of the Free...

God Help Us   

NJJ - 2014-02-27 10:14 AM The agency's proposed rules would not affect stoves already in homes.



This is the one statement that I picked up out of that aticle.  

ajs2002 - 2014-02-27 9:48 AM This sounds alot like the statement I heard a few years ago that went some like..... If you like your current Health insurance you can keep it..... :) 

3canstorun - 2014-02-27 9:41 AM History repeating itself - remember back when us "older" people used to read about the Soviet Union, cutting off gas lines to certain villages because the people would not cave in.  Or cut off their food supplies?  Same thing I keep saying, while wearing my tin foil hat - control fuel and food and you control a nation.  



Seems a little far fetched, but my opinion is only for those who stick their head in the sand and say "America" is fine.   

ndiehl - 2014-02-27 10:25 AM In my area they haven't made it illegal just very hard to get insurance (In Canada). They have a rule stating that if you live more then 15km from the closest fire department your not insurable if you have a wood burning stove and any type of burning gas furnace. 15km doesn't go very far when you in the middle of nowhere and I am 25+ Km from the nearest town... we decided insurance for our property was worth more to us over cheap heating and now have a geothermal furnace that is backed up by an electric one. But I do miss a nice wood burning stove, there is nothing like the warmth and coziness it gives; it's a completely different type of heat then what I have to me. ETA: Most places closer to town or in town that would meet the requirements ended up getting propane or were able to get the Natural gas pipe to their house so they don't burn either.

HotbearLVR - 2014-02-27 10:12 AM This whole thing has been nothing more than a ruse.  Just more intrusive, meddlesome government control.  They can't seem to get anything done that really makes a difference, so they have to just make up a bunch of sh!t.  I have always been amazed by politicians attempts to use climate and the weather as a tool to sway voters to support some agenda that has, at best, weak scientific evidence to support it.  This is nothing new.  It all started back around the spring of 1970, when we had the very first "Earth Day".  Of course, back then, the big fear was "global cooling" and the rage was "Zero Population Growth".  We have permitted politicians to violate a very critical unwritten law by allowing politics and science to become intertwined.  Now the floodgates have been opened and solid science and critical analysis are scarce, if not extinct.  This is why we have this never ending debate over "global warming".  Politicians whose livelihood depends on the "validity" of that premise, need global warming to be "fact" and, more importantly, that man is the main contributing factor.  The revelations of the East Anglia global warming scandal shed some light into the perverse influence that politics has had in science.  In spite of some sound evidence and expert opinions to the contrary, the environmental extremists on the far left have managed to preserve this "global warming" agenda and sell it as a legitimate concern that is a "proven fact".  Of course, since we have been freezing our asses off in recent years, the progressives have changed the term "global warming" into "global climate change".  All of this is a ginned up tool to get us to drastically change the way we live.....the cars we drive, the products we consume, and the energy we use.....so they can legislate controls over all these factors.......hence, "Green technology", another left wing euphemism, just like "liberal" has been euphemistically re-labelled "progressive". 

This is why they don't want people to burn wood.  Burning wood is an independent undertaking.  Independence, liberty, and freedom to a progressive is like sunlight, holy water, and garlic to Dracula. 

HotbearLVR - 2014-02-27 11:00 AM

I giggle at the string of ironies we've been seeing in recent years.  It all makes me realize how God has an amazing sense of humor.  Every time there is a planned conference on global warming there's a blizzard or ice storm, it seems.  Another hilarious incident was when this ship full of scientists studying the effects of global warming and the melting polar ice caps went to Antarctica and wound up getting stranded and frozen in the expanding arctic ice.  I think God enjoys embarassing fools and idiots.  Been there a time or two myself! 
Every once in a while you see a good interview with a climatologist who explains things like La Nina and El Nino and how our weather has been naturally cyclic for thousands of years.  
Google George Carlin's take on "environmentalists" sometime, for a good laugh. 

Frodo - 2014-02-27 9:21 AM

These people fail to consider the fact that someone out there is making a living building woodburning stoves.  It will cost jobs.  When Obama first came into office, he went after corporate jets, a key industry in the area where I live.  The damage took years to overcome.

 

HotbearLVR - 2014-02-27 11:00 AM

I giggle at the string of ironies we've been seeing in recent years.  It all makes me realize how God has an amazing sense of humor.  Every time there is a planned conference on global warming there's a blizzard or ice storm, it seems.  Another hilarious incident was when this ship full of scientists studying the effects of global warming and the melting polar ice caps went to Antarctica and wound up getting stranded and frozen in the expanding arctic ice.  I think God enjoys embarassing fools and idiots.  Been there a time or two myself! 
Every once in a while you see a good interview with a climatologist who explains things like La Nina and El Nino and how our weather has been naturally cyclic for thousands of years.  
Google George Carlin's take on "environmentalists" sometime, for a good laugh. 

3canstorun - 2014-02-27 9:41 AM History repeating itself - remember back when us "older" people used to read about the Soviet Union, cutting off gas lines to certain villages because the people would not cave in.  Or cut off their food supplies?  Same thing I keep saying, while wearing my tin foil hat - control fuel and food and you control a nation.  



Seems a little far fetched, but my opinion is only for those who stick their head in the sand and say "America" is fine.   

lookout hill - 2014-02-27 12:01 PM I guess I better have the hubby keep tabs on this.  We are going to build another house in the next 5 years & will want to continue heating with a wood stove & maybe add in floor heat in the bathrooms.  We are primarily wood heat now & only turn the heater on when it's supposed to be in single digits overnight just so it doesn't go below 65 & my bill is still around $180/month. 

Three 4 Luck - 2014-02-27 10:31 AM


 Did you know some European countries don't allow anyone to build houses outside of a town or village?  You have to be grandfathered in to live in the country.  People living in town are less self-sufficient.  So many possibilities there to be exploited.

ndiehl - 2014-02-27 12:13 PM I didn't know there were countries that didn't allow it, but know of a lot of places over there where its hard too. We have an old family farm on the far outskirts of a town in Germany, unfortunately now its up against the town due to growth. My aunt has the house and it just got changed over from wood to a more environmentally friendly (I don't know what it is) source of heat.

Itsme - 2014-02-27 12:26 PM So you guys are all for the epa condemning multimillion dollar buildings because of mold but are up in arms over fireplaces? EPA is a typical govt entity that knows no bounds and will continue to grow and crush our economy and freedoms.

komet. - 2014-02-27 11:18 AM You're from Kansas so I'm not surprised you don't understand that a whole lot more people make money CUTTING firewood than making the stoves. Where I come from this ban will finally be the start of the shooting war that has been coming. Virtually everybody has a wood stove in rural Missouri and they all have guns too. We simply can't afford any other form of heat in the winter.

Frodo - 2014-02-27 2:26 PM True, we get a lot of wood hauled in from Missouri come to think of it. 
 

crossspur - 2014-02-27 2:58 PM For those of you who live where you have those turbo windmills that run your power, how do they charge you for that? Is it a lot cheaper?   

Jinx - 2014-02-27 2:30 PM

We cut a lot of wood here in KS. We don't sell ours personally b/c we use it to heat with but there are tons around us that sell it for money. So no, we're not 'too stupid' to understand, Komet. 

cow pie - 2014-02-27 8:46 PM

I want Michelle's coat to keep my butt warm. Check out the Rocket mass heater on Pinterest. Ugly but I see how it could be so toasty. I wonder if I could convert my stove some way so it would generate more. Look at the Power Pot ...If that was bigger WOW that would be awesome.. I would have heat and electricity for pennies.

CYA Ranch - 2014-02-27 8:52 AM Probably because they can control the prices and flow of natural gas, propane and fuel oil but they can't control people chopping their own wood.  Pathetic piece we have in Washington.

Stitch4k9 - 2014-02-27 8:59 PM Ummm NO.   The is nothing banning the sale of wood burning stoves.  There is in Fact a proposed set of regulations from the EPA to reduce the pollutants.  Much of which is caused by people not buring aged, dry wood.   



This has actually happened before and although a few smaller stove manufacturers closed the rest stepped up and updated the new models.



Has nothing to do with controlling the price of fuel either.



AND btw..... proposed regulations leave each and every state to write laws that will apply to their residents.  The sky is not falling,  the President is not conspiring to freeze rural America out.  



karen 



 

Stitch4k9 - 2014-02-27 8:59 PM


Ummm NO.   The is nothing banning the sale of wood burning stoves.  There is in Fact a proposed set of regulations from the EPA to reduce the pollutants.  Much of which is caused by people not buring aged, dry wood.   

This has actually happened before and although a few smaller stove manufacturers closed the rest stepped up and updated the new models.

Has nothing to do with controlling the price of fuel either.

AND btw..... proposed regulations leave each and every state to write laws that will apply to their residents.  The sky is not falling,  the President is not conspiring to freeze rural America out.  

karen 

 

paysonw - 2014-02-27 6:19 PM I don't believe it is cheaper, you still have to have the capacity for when the wind isn't blowing.  They are high maintenance and you have to build extra transmission lines.  IMHO it is another feel good, government boondoggle!

Lickety Split - 2014-02-27 10:23 AM

Well that is interesting!  We would freeze to death if it were not for our wood stove.
 

Stitch4k9 - 2014-02-27 7:59 PM Ummm NO.   The is nothing banning the sale of wood burning stoves.  There is in Fact a proposed set of regulations from the EPA to reduce the pollutants.  Much of which is caused by people not buring aged, dry wood.   



This has actually happened before and although a few smaller stove manufacturers closed the rest stepped up and updated the new models.



Has nothing to do with controlling the price of fuel either.



AND btw..... proposed regulations leave each and every state to write laws that will apply to their residents.  The sky is not falling,  the President is not conspiring to freeze rural America out.  



karen 

 

musikmaker - 2014-02-27 10:59 PM This is not correct.  The EPA does NOT allow states to make their own little rules...they have blanket regulations that apply 'equally' to everyone despite the application.  The sky is only falling on the people who buy into the hype & bull of those who justify their jobs by perpetuating the non-issues.