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| So let's say I bought a horse for somebody, they were supposed to pay me back in payments. ( I was nice enough to do this) Then the horse gets injured on their property and dropped off at my house WITH the vet bill for me to pay for. How would you look at this? Would they be responsible for the vet bill? even if the horse did heal and I traded for a nice horse? The vet bill was close to $400 and I also had to have another vet come out to look at it for a second time at nearly $200. I understand I'm responsible for the 2nd one because it was my decision to have the horse looked at again to be sure it was healing correctly. I just feel that the accident didn't happen on my property and how can you expect to drop a horse off and injured and not be responsible for it. weather she wanted to return the horse or not, because it was injured and decided they didn't like it after all. I am wrong to consider asking for the vet bill to be paid or at the very least mentioning it didn't make me feel to great, or that I thought it was wrong? I didn't want the horse back, but at that point no payments had been made, it was my money in the horse. Feel free to add your own opinion just trying to get opinion if I am wrong on this. |
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Pig-Bear Dog Lover
| just wanted to add when I mentioned this to the person she went off the handle and called me greedy POS.. and everything under the sun. Said everything is always about me.. took some very low hits.. about my family about my intelligence. Said I got a good deal on the horse and I ripped off the other person who I traded with, ( she sold the horse for 4k and I would ask the same for the horse I traded for) and said my marriage wasn't going to last. Just insulted everything about my life. Just hurt I tried to help someone get a horse for her youth rider.. and this is what happened. I wanted them to have a finished horse.
Edited by SwishMiss 2014-02-27 3:38 PM
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| She should pay the vet bill. Add it in to the cost of the horse. |
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Location: ND | HRTA |
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  Northern Chocolate Queen
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Location: ND | Well.....I'm sure it's a lesson learned on your part. But I would NEVER buy a horse for someone else and allow the horse off my property until they had paid me in FULL for the horse. There would have been a contract spelling out all details of the deal as well. You have to protect yourself, nobody else is going to. Yes, she should have paid the vet bill but I don't see that happening considering she dumped the injured horse back in your care. |
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Pig-Bear Dog Lover
| dhdqhllc - 2014-02-27 2:45 PM
HRTA
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Unfortunately Lesson Learned. No Good Need Goes Unpunished.
Hopefully the horse will recover fully and you can sell him outright to a worthy owner. The loser that took advantage of your good nature just needs to be asked to take it down the road and never set foot on your property again. Be glad they showed their true colors and you are good to be rid of them. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Just write off that friendship and looks like you have a horse that has a vet bill that needs to be payed off, if it was me I would just pay the bill, theres really not much you can do about getting her to pay the bill. Sorry that she hurt your feelings but she is not a friend.  |
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| That's why you sign contracts with all parties and the details of who is responsible for what should various things happen. These kind of deals are famous for killing what would otherwise be long term friendships.
Neither a borrower or a lender be! |
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Pig-Bear Dog Lover
| No I paid it and have traded the horse for another, and yes I still made good on the deal BUT does that mean I'm greedy? I just don't feel it should have been my responsibility. She mentioned today about going and buying TWO other horses, and I asked her what about that vet bill and the SHTF and insults started. ETA business is business regardless of friendship, horses cost money. ETA THEN when I still had this horse injured she was at a race trying another horse AND asked me for money for that one! I went to my friends and said I feel so bad.. but ugh I cant do this again.. I still have the first one! train stopped there!
Edited by SwishMiss 2014-02-27 4:20 PM
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Alas.......another case for having a WRITTEN AGREEMENT....will people never learn????
Sorry, but as the owner of the horse, YOU are "on the hook" for the vet bill. Should she pay it....probably .....but don't hold your breath because it isn't going to happen. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SwishMiss - 2014-02-27 4:15 PM No I paid it and have traded the horse for another, and yes I still made good on the deal BUT does that mean I'm greedy? I just don't feel it should have been my responsibility. She mentioned today about going and buying TWO other horses, and I asked her what about that vet bill and the SHTF and insults started. ETA business is business regardless of friendship, horses cost money.
Wow you are still friends with this person? |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | I may be the odd one or please clarify but how are you responsible for a vet bill that is in some else's name? When I take an animal in to the vet or he comes out, the vet bill is made out to me and is due upon completion of services rendered.....at least around here it is. |
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Pig-Bear Dog Lover
| Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-27 3:18 PM
SwishMiss - 2014-02-27 4:15 PM No I paid it and have traded the horse for another, and yes I still made good on the deal BUT does that mean I'm greedy? I just don't feel it should have been my responsibility. She mentioned today about going and buying TWO other horses, and I asked her what about that vet bill and the SHTF and insults started. ETA business is business regardless of friendship, horses cost money.
Wow you are still friends with this person?
NO... it was pure evil the things she was saying to me. I will never speak to her again, you'd think if someone was willing to do that for you, you could talk it out or SOMETHING civil or try to understand were I was coming from. She said my dad was trash.. and just all kinds of low jabs you couldn't imagine. |
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Location: College Station, TX | You weren't the one who took the horse to the vet initially, correct? So that bill is in their name? Would the vet not go after them for payment rather than you? I don't see how you have any responsibility for that bill. |
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| nmeastplains - 2014-02-27 3:20 PM
I may be the odd one or please clarify but how are you responsible for a vet bill that is in some else's name? When I take an animal in to the vet or he comes out, the vet bill is made out to me and is due upon completion of services rendered.....at least around here it is.
It was in her name and I paid it... I shouldn't have but I did. just being gullible I guess. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SwishMiss - 2014-02-27 4:22 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-27 3:18 PM SwishMiss - 2014-02-27 4:15 PM No I paid it and have traded the horse for another, and yes I still made good on the deal BUT does that mean I'm greedy? I just don't feel it should have been my responsibility. She mentioned today about going and buying TWO other horses, and I asked her what about that vet bill and the SHTF and insults started. ETA business is business regardless of friendship, horses cost money. Wow you are still friends with this person? NO... it was pure evil the things she was saying to me. I will never speak to her again, you'd think if someone was willing to do that for you, you could talk it out or SOMETHING civil or try to understand were I was coming from. She said my dad was trash.. and just all kinds of low jabs you couldn't imagine.
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| 396 views and only 20 votes? |
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Location: Oklahoma | This is absolutely ridiculous. That person is awful. I just dont have the words for it (atleast not words that I can respectively post on here) It makes me so mad to hear this. People cant be trusted anymore. What happened to the time when a persons word and handshake was as good as a contract? She should definitely have been responsible for the vet bill and more! you did this as a FAVOR for her and she had no respect. SMH |
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Location: Arkansas | You did the right thing in trying to help her out with the horse in the first place (just making payments) but any decent person would have seen the injury as their fault, and thus take care of it. You can't take anyones word anymore, and friend or no friend, you have to protect yourself in these situations with written agreements. I wouldn't have paid the vet bill... That's just wrong the way she treated you... PLUS bashing you and your family?? Oh that don't fly sister, I would've been all too tempted to let my fists do the talking at that point...  |
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Location: Florida.. | Girl your to nice.. tell hubby to step in next time and not let these losers make you feel bad.
wash your hands of her and realize that there are people out there that do this.. |
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Location: Florida | She reacted that way because she knows she is wrong. A classic case of "Thou doth protest too much." |
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Pig-Bear Dog Lover
| Thank you everyone for the support! I knew I wasn't crazy for thinking this....she even went as far as to say I owed her $260 in gas money to bring the horse to my house? When we picked the horse up it was like 45 minutes from her house and for her kid to ride and she took the horse home and did lessons with him! And i owe gas money for this? In a way I'm happy it happed so i can see who she REALLY is. We had been friends a long time, and I could never imagine anyone much less her talking to me like that. Just dont understand the insults. |
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | SwishMiss - 2014-02-27 10:43 PM 396 views and only 20 votes?
Well its pretty much a no brainer so many of us don't feel the need to vote. The only mistake I see is there wasn't a contract, other wise its very obviously her bill. |
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| I had a neighbor try to get me to pay her vet bill once when one of her horses freaked out and ran thru a fence when my excavator was working in my field. Same neighbor tried to chew me out for putting horses in my back field since it made her horses crazy. 
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| In the end, I'd probably end up being happy with the fact I got the horse back. From the sounds of things, It sounded like you were going to be out lots of money because if she didn't want to pay for an injured horse's vet bills, she sure as heck probably wouldn't have paid you for it anyways!
At least in this case you recouped your money and learned this person is a disaster.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I viewed but didn't vote either. I would never have gotten myself into this mess in the first place but I'm betting you've learned your lesson. Sorry it had to happen to you. |
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Location: Kansas | I never, and i mean NEVER would have boughten someone else a flipping horse!
The only person I will spend my hard earned money on is my daughter! No way, that is just asking for trouble.
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| Nateracer - 2014-02-28 10:27 AM
In the end, I'd probably end up being happy with the fact I got the horse back. From the sounds of things, It sounded like you were going to be out lots of money because if she didn't want to pay for an injured horse's vet bills, she sure as heck probably wouldn't have paid you for it anyways!
At least in this case you recouped your money and learned this person is a disaster.
Dont get me wrong yes I am thankful he was not crippled for good. Its just the principal of the situation... if the tables were turned id at least have the decency to talk about it rather than throwing insults and acting so classless, TRYING to hurt someone.. and I would do the right thing and pay for it.. instead of taking full advantage. I think that would at least show some gratitude. Its no small favor ...imo. Not only would I pay for it but I'd feel SO terrible. It was an accident but one i had no control over and not on my property...who ever is using the horse should be responsible. ETA its not the paying the bill part im so upset about its the insults and treating ME like that.. instead of talking about it or admitting that was not normal circumstances. Or a thank you for trying.. sorry it didnt work out...
Edited by SwishMiss 2014-02-28 11:58 AM
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 I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | a 400 dollar vet bill is nothing in the horse world... if she can't afford that or handle that then she has no business owning horses.
chalk it up to lesson learned and cut ties. she knew she was in the wrong when she started calling you those things... that's usually the reaction to someone who doesn't want to deal with reality. I'd be pretty clear to her too that you are cutting ties and want nothing to do with her. (if that is the path that you should choose) |
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I Really Love Jeans
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Location: North Dakota | People are crazy! She never would have paid you for the horse! you are lucky you got the horse back in the beginning!! Don't speak with anyone who talks to you like that!!!! Change your phone number and all other contact information and if she drops by let hubby go outside!!! In the future get a contract and all the money up front before the horse leaves your home! |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | Hey swiss I was wondering if you needed any new friends...you see there is this horse I was wanting but I can't afford him right now you are too nice! |
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Pig-Bear Dog Lover
| kwanatha - 2014-03-01 6:48 AM
Hey swiss I was wondering if you needed any new friends...you see there is this horse I was wanting but I can't afford him right now you are too nice!
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Location: Phoenix | She's responsible for the vet bill for sure.
you can't just be all "oh the horse I haven't paid for yet got hurt on my property...here ya go"
people have no sense of responsibility. I want to compare this to borrowing someone's car. Surely you wouldn't borrow someone's car and return it to them dirtier than you got it? I sure wouldn't. |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | I went through a similar experience recently with a long time "friend." I let her put a horse on my property with the promise that she would provide for him, but she hasn't. I cut that friendship loose and even though it hurt, she really wasn't a friend to begin with. Funny how everyone around me saw it for what it was, but I guess I had on rose colored glasses. I had to call the vet for her horse even though she told me not to (colic), but she did at least reimburse me for the bill. I have to give her credit for that.
Walk away from this. You will be a bit hardened from this experience, as well as shocked and angry. Eventually that will ease when you realize that the friendship was based on what you could do for her. It was a one way deal. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | SaraJean - 2014-02-28 2:53 PM Well.....I'm sure it's a lesson learned on your part. But I would NEVER buy a horse for someone else and allow the horse off my property until they had paid me in FULL for the horse. There would have been a contract spelling out all details of the deal as well. You have to protect yourself, nobody else is going to. Yes, she should have paid the vet bill but I don't see that happening considering she dumped the injured horse back in your care. Exactly. You put yourself in a bad position when you bought the horse in the first place. No offense intended, but it sounds like you need to get better friends. Seriously, you need to learn a lesson from this and don't do this again. A gal that I know back home did deals like this with several people, she always got burned. (Then she would call me complaining about her situation. She never seemed to learn from her mistakes.) In her mind she was trying to help them out. In reality, she was being used. Horses are not a necessity, like food and shelter. If someone cannot afford to buy a horse, they probably cannot afford to take care of it either. If they cannot afford it, they shouldn't own one.
Edited to add: Oh, and DO NOT pay the vet bill. It is hers. The horse was one she was supposed to be buying (making payments on), injury happened in her care, on her property, she called the vet, he did the work for her, its her responsibility. The vet will have to deal with her as that is who he performed the work for.
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Location: MT | The person that borrowed the money from you is responsible. If they had borrowed the money from the bank to purchase the horse, and then the horse got injured on their place, would there be any question as to who is responsible for the horse and vet bills? |
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| I did learn my lesson NEVER again... trust me.. just the way she responded made me think I was crazy or something, but it's apparent ...  |
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| Two things---
Neither a borrower or a lender be.
With friends like this, who needs enemies.
When a person starts bashing you about things that have NO BEARING on the issue, they know that they are in the wrong. This I also called bullying and is a legal issue nowadays. |
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Whos responsible?