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Location: Utah | I have a horse that can not eat hay or anything with hay/alfalfa products. He got dehydrated and sick earlier in the week and now won't eat the Omolene 400 we have been feeding him for the past 4 years. We are several months out from green grass. Anyone have any other complete feed suggestions that DO NOT have hay or alfalfa as an ingredient? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | That dislike button really piffs me off. Not sure why you got that. So is your horse allergic to hay & alfalfa? My friend has a gelding that seems to be allergic to everything under the sun. I can ask her what she feeds. I was thinking a lot of the Sr feeds are full feeds. Have you looked into any of those?
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Location: Utah | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-27 5:55 PM That dislike button really piffs me off. Not sure why you got that. So is your horse allergic to hay & alfalfa? My friend has a gelding that seems to be allergic to everything under the son. I can ask her what she feeds. I was thinking a lot of the Sr feeds are full feeds. Have you looked into any of those?
Yes he is allergic to hay and alfalfa. |
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Location: South Dakota | We feed Hubbard senior feed that we buy in bulk. I don't think it has either hay or Alfalfa. It is all that my older horses eat. One of them is 33. I do add Cool Calories as a supplement. |
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| What does your vet say about beet pulp for fiber?
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| Questions abound here. Is the horse allergic to grasses? Do you have it narrowed down to which kinds? If the horse can have fresh grass, why can't it have hay of the same species? Does the allergy have to do with the curing process? If so, can you change hay suppliers? Forage/fiber is absolutely necessary and while I have had more than one horse where the diet had to be modified, I was always able to keep some sort of forage in the diet. Beet pulp is a good alternative, but I would hate for that to be the only source of fiber. |
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Location: Texas | My old horse does great on soaked beet pulp shreds. It keeps him nicely hydrated and he loves it. I really recommend it for keeping horses hydrated and providing fiber.
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| I would try feeding oats, corn & beet pulp. None of those have hay or alfalfa in it. Check with your vet & see what he says. If he has been eating the Omolene 400 then has gone off of it completely just recently I'd say you have more going on with him. Hope you get things figured out. |
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Location: Utah | rodeomom3 - 2014-02-27 6:31 PM What does your vet say about beet pulp for fiber?
He has done great on the beet pulp for the past 4 years and has done very well. We started feeding him the Omolene off advise of the Vet. Infact his stool is loose for a horse looks more like cow poop. |
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| kanchazer - 2014-02-27 8:25 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-02-27 6:31 PM What does your vet say about beet pulp for fiber?
He has done great on the beet pulp for the past 4 years and has done very well. We started feeding him the Omolene off advise of the Vet. Infact his stool is loose for a horse looks more like cow poop.
Poor guy, guess he never gets to get turned out. |
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Location: Utah | EasyforRed - 2014-02-27 6:40 PM
I would try feeding oats, corn & beet pulp. None of those have hay or alfalfa in it. Check with your vet & see what he says. If he has been eating the Omolene 400 then has gone off of it completely just recently I'd say you have more going on with him. Hope you get things figured out.
He has a low grade infection in his liver, we are working with the vet on that, he is on antibiotic. I am not sure if he doesn't associate the feeling bad with the feed or if he just doesn't feel like eating. He has tried to get to the other horses hay and seems to have an appetite for it, however he has difficulty breathing and becomes backed up and gassy if he has hay. |
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Location: Utah | rodeomom3 - 2014-02-27 7:37 PM kanchazer - 2014-02-27 8:25 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-02-27 6:31 PM What does your vet say about beet pulp for fiber?
He has done great on the beet pulp for the past 4 years and has done very well. We started feeding him the Omolene off advise of the Vet. Infact his stool is loose for a horse looks more like cow poop.
He is turned out most of the time, we just can't keep him with the other horses that have access to grass hay 24/7. He can be out on pasture when the grass is green and lush but as it starts to dry out he has difficulty. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Can you give him probiotics and Braggs Apple cider vinegar? this would help him with the loose stools. I would feed the beet pulp till you get him straightened out. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Can you give him probiotics and Braggs Apple cider vinegar? this would help him with the loose stools. I would feed the beet pulp till you get him straightened out. |
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Location: Utah | kmcsunshine - 2014-02-27 6:38 PM Questions abound here. Is the horse allergic to grasses? Do you have it narrowed down to which kinds? If the horse can have fresh grass, why can't it have hay of the same species? Does the allergy have to do with the curing process? If so, can you change hay suppliers? Forage/fiber is absolutely necessary and while I have had more than one horse where the diet had to be modified, I was always able to keep some sort of forage in the diet. Beet pulp is a good alternative, but I would hate for that to be the only source of fiber.
Yes the horse is allergic to the grass once it is dried. We raise our own hay it is grown in the field next to the pasture he is turned out in. He can eat the hay when it is lush but late summer as it starts to dry out it gives him problems. We have two feet of snow on the ground here so we are quit a ways out from fresh grass for him to eat. We have tried all types of hay and found out exactly what he is allergic to by doing a full blood panel for allergies about 4 years ago and that is what lead us to feeding the omolene 400. He has done great on the omolene until Sunday when he got sick, no he just has no appitie for it. When we first found out what the problem was (the allergies) with the help of our vet I researched every complete feed on the market at that time. I have an equine science degree and was very skeptic about no forage in his diet when we started him on the complete feed. Surprizingly he has done very well, I would only suggest it as a last resort as I think this is. We tried hay from other parts of the country, different species of hay, oat hay etc soak the hay in water, cubes, pellets etc and the non hay complete feed is all that works for him. |
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Location: Utah | cow pie - 2014-02-27 7:57 PM Can you give him probiotics and Braggs Apple cider vinegar? this would help him with the loose stools. I would feed the beet pulp till you get him straightened out.
The stools aren't loose as in a problem, only that it doesn't look like normal horse poop as in balled up it is more like a cow pile. |
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Location: Utah | Timber Creek - 2014-02-27 6:29 PM We feed Hubbard senior feed that we buy in bulk. I don't think it has either hay or Alfalfa. It is all that my older horses eat. One of them is 33. I do add Cool Calories as a supplement.
Thanks for the reply I will look into the Hubbard Senior Feed. I see you are from South Dakota and this horse was rasied in South Dakota and will be going back later this spring to breed some mares. Then will come back to utah in the summer.
What does the cool calories do? |
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Location: Utah | Fun2Run - 2014-02-27 6:39 PM My old horse does great on soaked beet pulp shreds. It keeps him nicely hydrated and he loves it. I really recommend it for keeping horses hydrated and providing fiber.
The Omolene 400 is beet pulp based, I will find some just beet pulp shreds tomorrow and give them a try, how much do you feed per feeding? |
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Location: Utah | kanchazer - 2014-02-27 6:29 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-27 5:55 PM That dislike button really piffs me off. Not sure why you got that. So is your horse allergic to hay & alfalfa? My friend has a gelding that seems to be allergic to everything under the son. I can ask her what she feeds. I was thinking a lot of the Sr feeds are full feeds. Have you looked into any of those? Yes he is allergic to hay and alfalfa.
We feed Nutrena Equine Senior to another horse and I believe it has hay as an ingredient. |
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| Triple Crown Equine Sr. It is a complete feed. Beet Pulp based. |
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Location: Utah | readytorodeo - 2014-02-27 8:13 PM Triple Crown Equine Sr. It is a complete feed. Beet Pulp based.
Thank you, I will see if I can find a dealer anywhere close. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | kanchazer - 2014-02-27 9:14 PM readytorodeo - 2014-02-27 8:13 PM Triple Crown Equine Sr. It is a complete feed. Beet Pulp based. Thank you, I will see if I can find a dealer anywhere close.
The first ingredient in TC Equine SR is alfalfa meal. |
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Location: Utah | Nevertooold - 2014-02-27 8:49 PM kanchazer - 2014-02-27 9:14 PM readytorodeo - 2014-02-27 8:13 PM Triple Crown Equine Sr. It is a complete feed. Beet Pulp based. Thank you, I will see if I can find a dealer anywhere close.
Thanks Nevertold, that won't work for him then. The search continues. |
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Location: Texas | kanchazer - 2014-02-27 9:08 PM Fun2Run - 2014-02-27 6:39 PM My old horse does great on soaked beet pulp shreds. It keeps him nicely hydrated and he loves it. I really recommend it for keeping horses hydrated and providing fiber.
The Omolene 400 is beet pulp based, I will find some just beet pulp shreds tomorrow and give them a try, how much do you feed per feeding?
Some people feed a cup or two. I feed a big scoop dry, and soak it, so it turns out to be about half a 5 gallon bucket wet. |
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Location: Utah | Fun2Run - 2014-02-27 9:14 PM kanchazer - 2014-02-27 9:08 PM Fun2Run - 2014-02-27 6:39 PM My old horse does great on soaked beet pulp shreds. It keeps him nicely hydrated and he loves it. I really recommend it for keeping horses hydrated and providing fiber.
The Omolene 400 is beet pulp based, I will find some just beet pulp shreds tomorrow and give them a try, how much do you feed per feeding?
Thank you! |
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Location: South Dakota | kanchazer - 2014-02-27 9:07 PM Timber Creek - 2014-02-27 6:29 PM We feed Hubbard senior feed that we buy in bulk. I don't think it has either hay or Alfalfa. It is all that my older horses eat. One of them is 33. I do add Cool Calories as a supplement. Thanks for the reply I will look into the Hubbard Senior Feed. I see you are from South Dakota and this horse was rasied in South Dakota and will be going back later this spring to breed some mares. Then will come back to utah in the summer.
What does the cool calories do?
The Cool Calories helped put a little extra weight on him going in to winter. He looks really good. |
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| kanchazer - 2014-02-27 9:04 PM
cow pie - 2014-02-27 7:57 PM Can you give him probiotics and Braggs Apple cider vinegar? this would help him with the loose stools. I would feed the beet pulp till you get him straightened out.
The stools aren't loose as in a problem, only that it doesn't look like normal horse poop as in balled up it is more like a cow pile.
The stools might be the problem. Look at people with crohns, IBS, etc. These people can have extreme pain in their abdomen which is generally followed by diarrhea.
I would get the stool tested for blood, as he may have ulcers in his gut causing him pain when he eats, during the digestion process and defficatimg.
If he was my horse I would put him on ulcer meds, and probiotics.
You say he is allergic to alfalfa, has he been allergy tested? And what are his symptoms?
I would get Timothy pellets soak them and give this to him 4-6 times per day. |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Poor Bucky!! I hope you can find something that works for him soon and he gets feeling better. |
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