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Location: USA | Do you stay two-handed on your first turn or do you most of you grab for the horn and then back to two handed? I've heard when your riding two-handed through a turn your not going fast enough but for me around that first pole I have a problem picking back up my reins. But not on the end pole. Do you have any tips or suggestions or should I just drop my rein and go to my saddle horn? |
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| I typically run one handed through the whole pattern but will ride two handed up. Here is a pic of my daughter on her mare one hand on end pole I have a better one but can't find it yet. I can make the turn two handed and still run plenty fast so if you are more comfortable and can ride it without getting in your horses way then that shouldn't be a problem. I have to hold on more now I am not as good as I use to be ! My daughter goes through the pattern two handed or this mare will try to run them over.
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Location: Texas | It is great if you can two hand thru the poles and go to one hand on the ends, but my granddaughter has a tendency to hit the second pole because she sometimes doesn't pick up that rein fast enough. I would go two hands all the way, if you can, until you get more confortable. Slower on the ends is much better than a +5. In time with more practice/runs, you may be able to go one hand on the ends. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I have the most awesome gelding for running poles that I got from River Runner and her niece. He's old lady proof. LOL I can do the whole thing one handed. I do switch hands and treat each end pole like I do a barrel but if I stay out of his way it seems to work better. Wyatt is da bomb! |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | I ride two handed through the pattern. I try to be one handed around the turns, but sometimes I am in the moment and ride two handed all the way through.
I think its just how you ride, what fits your horse and works you two as a team. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think 2-handed on the ends is real tough to do on a good pole horse who really drops his ass and wraps the ends hard. It's sometimes hard enough to keep balanced and centered even with a hand on the horn. I do have a real smart mare who has never hit anything and I can one hand her all the way through the pattern, but she's exceptional in terms of her pattern consistency. This tall gelding is my best pole horse - I've run 20 secs on him. I two hand him and go to the horn on the ends, just like in barrels. Here's a sequence of photos.
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Location: North MS | I can two hand the first end turn on a 23 second pole run. The return turn- nope, of course I don't need as much collection on this turn to make the return.
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| I always start out staying two handed all the way thru when I'm training them. But when they start clocking 24 to 23, I start dropping the outside rein and grabbing the horn. I use it to get my butt down in the saddle out get out of my horse's way. Plus to recenter myself at the half way turn. I use both hands to move a horse over thru the poles, so coming out of the end turns I'm thinking both hands on the reins to get over for the weave. |
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Location: Sweet Home Alabama | I've trained two 20 second pole horses who had completely different styles. The gelding (15.1h) was smooth (like riding a cloud kinda smooth) & really ratey & all the rider had to do was hustle & weeve with him, so I one handed him in the turns. However, my mare (16h) like to run more than turn so I had to gear her down & usually two-handed her at the first turn. BUT I stayed out of her way. I think two-handing it just helps them more until they get solid. but I see alot of folks 2 hand their turns, thinking they're helping, & end up pulling back or getting off balance screwing the horse up. If you're a good enough rider then do it. That's just my two cents :)
here's my mare. I believe this was in 2010? still working out the kinks running down. We've since changed headgear too which helped TONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO48oCo57Ro
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-03-01 11:32 PM
I think 2-handed on the ends is real tough to do on a good pole horse who really drops his ass and wraps the ends hard. It's sometimes hard enough to keep balanced and centered even with a hand on the horn. I do have a real smart mare who has never hit anything and I can one hand her all the way through the pattern, but she's exceptional in terms of her pattern consistency. This tall gelding is my best pole horse - I've run 20 secs on him. I two hand him and go to the horn on the ends, just like in barrels. Here's a sequence of photos.
I love your pictures and advice. We don't get to see very many pole pictures. |
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| I always use two hands cause every time i've ever dropped to one hand and i would hit a pole trying to switch to two handed... I just think two handed all the way is much better!! :) |
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| My daughters always went to the horn on their turns. Our pole horse Odie's style was not on his butt so you really had to sit to get him to rate. Here is a video of one of my girls on him at a jackpot while at state finals. This was in the outdoor arena that is huge and the end pole is about 75 feet off the fence. All my girls rode him 2 handed through the weave. The 2nd is me at Waco, only my third run on poles ever, 2 handed on the first only because I forgot to go to my horn and one handed through the weave because I won't let go of the saddle horn :).
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Kas_BarrelHorses - 2014-03-02 12:15 PM I always use two hands cause every time i've ever dropped to one hand and i would hit a pole trying to switch to two handed... I just think two handed all the way is much better!! :)
It's rare to see a real fast (19-20 second) pole run where the rider doesn't go to the horn on the ends. You can do it if you are running 23-24 seconds, but it's a lot harder when you are making those real fast runs where your horse can really drop down, rate, and snap around the end.....you might be able to do it, but you get thrown off balance. On my pictures, between the 2nd and 3rd pictures, we've only travelled a couple feet and he's dropped his ass down and has come around the end by 90 degrees. I need that horn to stay centered and balanced. If you google "19 second pole runs", at least 9 out of 10 go to the horn. I'd suggest that you perfect that technique, rather than try to 2-hand all the way around and through the weave....IF you want to get those 19-20 second runs down. I think I've probably watched every you tube video of every 19 second run at least twice, because I learn so much by watching them over and over and over. I'm determined to eventually make some 19 second runs, so You Tube is my "study guide". One of our BB's from Cali (name escapes me) is an outstanding pole bender and she has a series of 19 second runs on You Tube......fun watching.
Here is a video of an exceptional rider making a 19.1 second run. He hits almost every pole and pushes several back up, but what impresses me is his incredible balance and style. He IS one of those exceptional riders who doesn't use the horn, but that guy is exceptional.....I wouldn't advise trying it on a 19 second horse. Obviously he knows and trusts that rocket......worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWIViFDQ2kg
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-03-02 12:24 PM My daughters always went to the horn on their turns. Our pole horse Odie's style was not on his butt so you really had to sit to get him to rate. Here is a video of one of my girls on him at a jackpot while at state finals. This was in the outdoor arena that is huge and the end pole is about 75 feet off the fence. All my girls rode him 2 handed through the weave. The 2nd is me at Waco, only my third run on poles ever, 2 handed on the first only because I forgot to go to my horn and one handed through the weave because I won't let go of the saddle horn :).
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-03-02 12:24 PM My daughters always went to the horn on their turns. Our pole horse Odie's style was not on his butt so you really had to sit to get him to rate. Here is a video of one of my girls on him at a jackpot while at state finals. This was in the outdoor arena that is huge and the end pole is about 75 feet off the fence. All my girls rode him 2 handed through the weave. The 2nd is me at Waco, only my third run on poles ever, 2 handed on the first only because I forgot to go to my horn and one handed through the weave because I won't let go of the saddle horn :).
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Gee those are very nice!!! Both runs! |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-03-02 12:51 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-03-02 12:24 PM My daughters always went to the horn on their turns. Our pole horse Odie's style was not on his butt so you really had to sit to get him to rate. Here is a video of one of my girls on him at a jackpot while at state finals. This was in the outdoor arena that is huge and the end pole is about 75 feet off the fence. All my girls rode him 2 handed through the weave. The 2nd is me at Waco, only my third run on poles ever, 2 handed on the first only because I forgot to go to my horn and one handed through the weave because I won't let go of the saddle horn :).Morgan and Odie JackpotIMG 1144
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think Bob Manor is 78 now. He is one of the best riders in the midwest. Here he is making a 19 second run on his stud, Manor's Nick Bar. He rides all his horses the same way. This video is only 2 years old, I think. He 1-hands all the way through, and you barely notice that he uses the horn, because he's so smooth and balanced and quiet. Freak of nature!
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| This is my trainer on my horse at the World Paint horse show. He was Reserve World Champion. This is the end pole by the alley and she turned with one hand and as he finished the turn she is reaching with her left hand to grab the rein. On a tough contender, you just about have to release that out side rein to get your sharp turns and keep your body in the correct position.
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Location: MD | I go down one handed on all of the end poles and two handed while I'm weaving. It took a lot of repetition to do so. I built a horse "head" off of my saddle stand and practiced that way pretty much every night when I wanted to get my muscle memory down. but honestly using my feet was more important and really moving my horse that way instead of relying on my bit. |
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Location: Texas | I ride two handed down, drop my hand to the horn for the turn, then go back to two hands. I grab my mares neck and just slide my hand up until I've got a hold of the rein. Hope that makes sense. |
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| Honestly, it took me quite some time before I could get that rein back at the turn, but you have to do it. Two handing the turn is eventually gonna hurt, because that is using a lot of core muscles to sit on the horse, and eventually, you will get a horse that you cannot do that on. I know when my mare really gets into it, you better grab that horn or your gonna knock all the poles over being out of position.
Practice slowly going down, dropping the rein, and picking it back up. Make sure you have short reins as that will be easier to get a hold of. Long reins are nearly impossible that I've seen. Also, you better have that rein back at or before your horse is pointed at the poles, or you are too late and will probably knock the second pole over. |
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| I have to grab the horn going into the end pole coming in. Going Mach 1 and sitting for the turn would be disastrous if I didn't. I'd be launched over the rail!
I two hand for most of the pole run, but can do 1 hand to grab poles if I need to in case he gets a little close. |
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Location: California | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-02 10:46 AM Kas_BarrelHorses - 2014-03-02 12:15 PM I always use two hands cause every time i've ever dropped to one hand and i would hit a pole trying to switch to two handed... I just think two handed all the way is much better!! :) It's rare to see a real fast (19-20 second) pole run where the rider doesn't go to the horn on the ends. You can do it if you are running 23-24 seconds, but it's a lot harder when you are making those real fast runs where your horse can really drop down, rate, and snap around the end.....you might be able to do it, but you get thrown off balance. On my pictures, between the 2nd and 3rd pictures, we've only travelled a couple feet and he's dropped his ass down and has come around the end by 90 degrees. I need that horn to stay centered and balanced. If you google "19 second pole runs", at least 9 out of 10 go to the horn. I'd suggest that you perfect that technique, rather than try to 2-hand all the way around and through the weave....IF you want to get those 19-20 second runs down. I think I've probably watched every you tube video of every 19 second run at least twice, because I learn so much by watching them over and over and over. I'm determined to eventually make some 19 second runs, so You Tube is my "study guide". One of our BB's from Cali (name escapes me) is an outstanding pole bender and she has a series of 19 second runs on You Tube......fun watching.
Here is a video of an exceptional rider making a 19.1 second run. He hits almost every pole and pushes several back up, but what impresses me is his incredible balance and style. He IS one of those exceptional riders who doesn't use the horn, but that guy is exceptional.....I wouldn't advise trying it on a 19 second horse. Obviously he knows and trusts that rocket......worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWIViFDQ2kg
That's me  . Here is a video of my old pole horse. He would drop and turn those end poles and there is no way I would be able to stay 2 handed!
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Location: Deep South | I've been blessed to ride a couple of pole horses that could consistently run in the 20.0-20.5 range (when I stayed out of their way and didn't knock!) and when they are running that hard and roll back for those end turns there's no way I could stay on if I was riding two-handed. Enough repetition and muscle memory though and you learn to quickly go back to two hands for the weave. Mine weren't automatic enough to run one-handed the whole way, and most pole horses aren't. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I always ran mine one handed around the end turns and two handed through the weave. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Calibarrelrcr - 2014-03-04 3:23 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-02 10:46 AM Kas_BarrelHorses - 2014-03-02 12:15 PM I always use two hands cause every time i've ever dropped to one hand and i would hit a pole trying to switch to two handed... I just think two handed all the way is much better!! :) It's rare to see a real fast (19-20 second) pole run where the rider doesn't go to the horn on the ends. You can do it if you are running 23-24 seconds, but it's a lot harder when you are making those real fast runs where your horse can really drop down, rate, and snap around the end.....you might be able to do it, but you get thrown off balance. On my pictures, between the 2nd and 3rd pictures, we've only travelled a couple feet and he's dropped his ass down and has come around the end by 90 degrees. I need that horn to stay centered and balanced. If you google "19 second pole runs", at least 9 out of 10 go to the horn. I'd suggest that you perfect that technique, rather than try to 2-hand all the way around and through the weave....IF you want to get those 19-20 second runs down. I think I've probably watched every you tube video of every 19 second run at least twice, because I learn so much by watching them over and over and over. I'm determined to eventually make some 19 second runs, so You Tube is my "study guide". One of our BB's from Cali (name escapes me) is an outstanding pole bender and she has a series of 19 second runs on You Tube......fun watching.
Here is a video of an exceptional rider making a 19.1 second run. He hits almost every pole and pushes several back up, but what impresses me is his incredible balance and style. He IS one of those exceptional riders who doesn't use the horn, but that guy is exceptional.....I wouldn't advise trying it on a 19 second horse. Obviously he knows and trusts that rocket......worth watching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWIViFDQ2kg
. Here is a video of my old pole horse. He would drop and turn those end poles and there is no way I would be able to stay 2 handed!
http://youtu.be/KYj3vZZOwv4
Thanks for posting! That's what you call consistency! I watch these over and over, and I think it helps a lot. I'm determined to join your "19 second club" someday soon. |
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Location: TN | Some times it depends on the horse. Here's a picture of my old mare who turned no matter what I did.
she is retired now. I grab the horn to alow the horse to make the turn. it takes longer to develop a finnished horse. i feel in the long run "less is best". I like to be 2 handed through out the weave but know my seat DRIVES the weave and rate at the ends. |
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Location: Ky | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-04 4:25 PM Calibarrelrcr - 2014-03-04 3:23 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-02 10:46 AM Kas_BarrelHorses - 2014-03-02 12:15 PM I always use two hands cause every time i've ever dropped to one hand and i would hit a pole trying to switch to two handed... I just think two handed all the way is much better!! :) It's rare to see a real fast (19-20 second) pole run where the rider doesn't go to the horn on the ends. You can do it if you are running 23-24 seconds, but it's a lot harder when you are making those real fast runs where your horse can really drop down, rate, and snap around the end.....you might be able to do it, but you get thrown off balance. On my pictures, between the 2nd and 3rd pictures, we've only travelled a couple feet and he's dropped his ass down and has come around the end by 90 degrees. I need that horn to stay centered and balanced. If you google "19 second pole runs", at least 9 out of 10 go to the horn. I'd suggest that you perfect that technique, rather than try to 2-hand all the way around and through the weave....IF you want to get those 19-20 second runs down. I think I've probably watched every you tube video of every 19 second run at least twice, because I learn so much by watching them over and over and over. I'm determined to eventually make some 19 second runs, so You Tube is my "study guide". One of our BB's from Cali (name escapes me) is an outstanding pole bender and she has a series of 19 second runs on You Tube......fun watching.
Here is a video of an exceptional rider making a 19.1 second run. He hits almost every pole and pushes several back up, but what impresses me is his incredible balance and style. He IS one of those exceptional riders who doesn't use the horn, but that guy is exceptional.....I wouldn't advise trying it on a 19 second horse. Obviously he knows and trusts that rocket......worth watching:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWIViFDQ2kg . Here is a video of my old pole horse. He would drop and turn those end poles and there is no way I would be able to stay 2 handed! http://youtu.be/KYj3vZZOwv4
I always wanted to get into that 19 second club myself. Never happened. Best qualified time I ever ran was a 20.1. My wife did run countless 19's though. So it's in the family.
For Calibarrelrcr, I must know you. I've run at all those places in your video many, many times. That Sullivan, In arena is tough place for a pole horse. There's so much room past the last pole. Takes a good horse to sit down and turn that first end. Seen many run right on past there.
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Location: Fort Bragg North Carolina | 1 hand on end turns and two hands through weave!! Always it should be a habit :) if you need an exercise to help w fast hands practice rollbacks concentrating on body and hands (goin to the horn) have someone video you or critique you sometimes it's hard to tell of your picking up quickly enough. You can set up a barrel and pole and do figure 8 practice one hand in the turns getting ur hands up quick set them 21 feet apart at first. Do exercises slowly and then speed things up but even when ur working slowly u hands should be exaggerated as if u are RUNNInG the pattern :) |
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