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Location: Arkansas | is it quest wormer that you give ten days out or quest plus or quest gold? I can't remember the exact name. Thanks! |
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| Esther - 2014-03-05 12:01 PM
is it quest wormer that you give ten days out or quest plus or quest gold? I can't remember the exact name. Thanks!
You do the power pack double doses in tubes for 5 days which is 10 times their previous recommended dosage ..
Then 10 days out you do ivermectin ...
and then 20 days from that date ... you do Quest ..
That makes 35 days total during the worming process and about $100 in costs ..
Safeguard and Panacur are identical and are the oldest wormer ever used on horses. Most worms are immune to the drugs so it takes 10x the amount these days to do any good. Also, these two do not kill any worms ... it drugs them so they turn loose and come out in the horses poop. They have made a ton of money on their smart marketing techniques!!
If you have to use Ivermectin and Quest back to back after the powerpack ... it tells me the powerpack is not worth the price nor the effort ...
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 Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I was told to give the Quest Plus 5 days out from the Power Pak and the reason being is that the Power Pak is a slow kill so if they have a significant worm load you aren't creating a colic episode more than likely by the smaller slower kill off. I remember when Quest first came out there was some issues with it and most believe it was because it killed a significant amount of worms and a lot of horses coliced due to it. |
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 Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | run n rate - 2014-03-05 12:46 PM I was told to give the Quest Plus 5 days out from the Power Pak and the reason being is that the Power Pak is a slow kill so if they have a significant worm load you aren't creating a colic episode more than likely by the smaller slower kill off. I remember when Quest first came out there was some issues with it and most believe it was because it killed a significant amount of worms and a lot of horses coliced due to it.
the power pack is not a slow kill.. the reason for quest plus or ivermectin gold is to get the tape worms. power pack does not have prazyquantel in it and that is what get the tape worms. |
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| Do your research ....>>> ivermectin does not get tapeworms ... ivermectin gold and Quest Plus do .. go by your drugs used in wormers ...
The most important equine parasites are the large strongyles (particularly Strongylus vulgaris), small
strongyles (bloodworms or cyathostomes), and ascarids (large roundworms). Under most circumstances
these are the parasites that must be controlled
Unfortunately, many horses are infected with cyathostomes resistant to the benzimidazoles (BZDs), the
largest class of wormers. Since there is cross-resistance throughout the BZD group, this means that
wherever resistance occurs, products containing febendazole (Safeguard®, Panacur®), oxfendazole
(Benzelmin®), and febantel (Rintal®) are not effective. One drug of this group, worms are much slower
to develop resistance to oxibendazole (Anthelcide®), thus it may be effective when worms are resistant to
the other BZDs. BZD-resistant worms are fully susceptible to ivermectin, pyrantel, or moxidectin, and
these wormers should be used wherever BZD resistance has been identified. In a recent study in Florida
cyathostomes on 10 out of 11 farms were highly resistant to fenbendazole. A recent study done jointly by
the Universities of Florida, Georgia, Kentucky and Louisiana State University showed that, in addition to
widespread resistance to the benzimidazoles, cyathostomes have now developed resistance to pyrantel
(Strongid) throughout much the southeastern U.S. In contrast, resistance is not yet a problem with
ivermectin or moxidectin. |
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Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-03-05 2:26 PM Do your research ....>>> ivermectin does not get tapeworms ... ivermectin gold and Quest Plus do .. go by your drugs used in wormers ... The most important equine parasites are the large strongyles (particularly Strongylus vulgaris), small strongyles (bloodworms or cyathostomes), and ascarids (large roundworms). Under most circumstances these are the parasites that must be controlled Unfortunately, many horses are infected with cyathostomes resistant to the benzimidazoles (BZDs), the largest class of wormers. Since there is cross-resistance throughout the BZD group, this means that wherever resistance occurs, products containing febendazole (Safeguard®, Panacur®), oxfendazole (Benzelmin®), and febantel (Rintal®) are not effective. One drug of this group, worms are much slower to develop resistance to oxibendazole (Anthelcide®), thus it may be effective when worms are resistant to the other BZDs. BZD-resistant worms are fully susceptible to ivermectin, pyrantel, or moxidectin, and these wormers should be used wherever BZD resistance has been identified. In a recent study in Florida cyathostomes on 10 out of 11 farms were highly resistant to fenbendazole. A recent study done jointly by the Universities of Florida, Georgia, Kentucky and Louisiana State University showed that, in addition to widespread resistance to the benzimidazoles, cyathostomes have now developed resistance to pyrantel (Strongid) throughout much the southeastern U.S. In contrast, resistance is not yet a problem with ivermectin or moxidectin.
Don't know if you are referring to me or not, but I listed Quest Plus and Ivermectic Gold for tapeworms, even listed prazyquantel as the drug in them that killed teh tape worms. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: Arkansas | Thank you! I knew that the power pac did not kill the tape worms but could not remember exactly the name of the after wormer that did. I figured it would be easier to ask and see than to try to find it on my own. Thanks again! 
Edited by Esther 2014-03-05 3:06 PM
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | My mare had been on a rotational deworming program. She was having some issues and it felt like she was weak in her hind end, took her to the vet after some chiro adjustments and he felt what he was seeing wasn't a lameness issue but a wormload issue. And she was loaded and mostly with bloodworms. Because of the amount she had he recommended the Power Pak, as I understood it to get a long slow kill off of worms and then the Quest Plus to hit the encrusted worms and tapes. My vet was worried that if we went to the Quest Plus right out of the gate that the worm load she had would have created an issue.
We have found with her after deworming that if I hit her with a probiotic that she doesn't eat poop like she used to and that also has kept her worm load down now. |
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 Horsey Gene Carrier
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | From what I understand, the powerpak gets the encysted stongles (in the gut).
The other wormers kill the free moving stages of the worms, but if they are 'dug in' to the intestines, can't really touch them. |
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After you power pac,