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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | I am a little surprised this hasn't been posted yet. Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur, on route to Beijing. Two hours into it, the flight disappeared from radar with 239 people on board. They can't find any wreckage anywhere and two European passports (Italian and Austrian) were used to board the plane but the people listed on the manifest are safe; their passports had both been stolen in Thailand. Terrorism is still in the running for why the plane completely dissapeared. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-no-evidence-of-any-wreckage-a-day-later-1.2565126 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/flight-manifest-identifies-two-canadians-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight/article17383069/ |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I believe there are 5 Americans on board if I remember correctly. Very sad situation. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Prayers to all those involved |
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Location: Florida.. | The ocean is HUGE.. and they found Oil spill lines in the ocean .. so thinking its there but just read the passports etc.. terrorism is my guess to.. |
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Location: Here | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/08/malaysia-airlines-experts-surprised-at-disappearance-of-very-safe-boeing-777
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | komet. - 2014-03-08 7:01 PM I hadn't seen that both were stolen in Thailand..
Yeah. That is what raises the red flag of terrorism. The Austrian was stolen 2 years ago and the Italian one last year. Both reported to respective embassies, etc. |
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Location: Texas | Such a tradegy. Prayers to all families.
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | It's now up to four passengers that are being investigated over false identity. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/malaysia-probing-two-more-passengers-on-missing-flight-source/article17384807/ I honestly couldn't imagine if that was one of my loved ones on that flight and I had no answers. |
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Location: where the wind blows | I did see on our news that a plane expert said that whatever happened happened fast as there is some sort of button the crockpot is to hit is distress issues and it would take anyone in the cockpit about 1 second. The fact the cockpit crew didn't do that has authorities very curious. 2 Canadians were on board as well. A young couple leaving young children with no parents. Sad for all.  |
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| This is the weirdest thing EVER - working in aircraft I know that a plane of this magnitude just doesn't "disappear," I don't care if it was over the ocean - this is just flat weird. |
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Location: Kansas | I never hear mentioned the possibility it may have been hijacked and landed somewhere. It is huge. Guess that's off the table. |
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| After talking to some of the FAA guys here at work, they are thinking it exploded (like into a million pieces). I still find it strange that nobody on board called or texted anyone and the pilots had no distress signals but maybe it happened so fast with nobody knowing. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Griz - 2014-03-10 12:06 PM After talking to some of the FAA guys here at work, they are thinking it exploded (like into a million pieces). I still find it strange that nobody on board called or texted anyone and the pilots had no distress signals but maybe it happened so fast with nobody knowing.
Is it possible for a wicked lightening strike to completley knock a plane off the grid electronically? Where there was no communication or distress signal sent? Assuming of course then it crashed immediately after. I don't know what size plane this is or if it's even possible but it was just a thought.
I also thought I heard on the news that they possibly found some wreckage somehwere? But I've been in and out after surgery so I'm not sure. |
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| missroselee - 2014-03-10 11:16 AM Griz - 2014-03-10 12:06 PM After talking to some of the FAA guys here at work, they are thinking it exploded (like into a million pieces). I still find it strange that nobody on board called or texted anyone and the pilots had no distress signals but maybe it happened so fast with nobody knowing. Is it possible for a wicked lightening strike to completley knock a plane off the grid electronically? Where there was no communication or distress signal sent? Assuming of course then it crashed immediately after. I don't know what size plane this is or if it's even possible but it was just a thought.
I also thought I heard on the news that they possibly found some wreckage somehwere? But I've been in and out after surgery so I'm not sure.
A 777 plane is giagantic - I just can't imagine lightning would do that as we have them in here for lightning strike repairs on a pretty regular basis - but you never know. I really would lean towards a terrorist act more.
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Griz - 2014-03-10 12:55 PM missroselee - 2014-03-10 11:16 AM Griz - 2014-03-10 12:06 PM After talking to some of the FAA guys here at work, they are thinking it exploded (like into a million pieces). I still find it strange that nobody on board called or texted anyone and the pilots had no distress signals but maybe it happened so fast with nobody knowing. Is it possible for a wicked lightening strike to completley knock a plane off the grid electronically? Where there was no communication or distress signal sent? Assuming of course then it crashed immediately after. I don't know what size plane this is or if it's even possible but it was just a thought.
I also thought I heard on the news that they possibly found some wreckage somehwere? But I've been in and out after surgery so I'm not sure.
Glad you are feeling better!
Thanks! I'm doing much better. Cut out the percocet and finally got a hot shower and up and moving!
I have no idea how lightening affects planes. I know they can get struck and be damaged, but still fly just fine to their destination. I do realize the missing plane is a big one, but wasn't sure if this was a possiblity. Very very sad for the folks on board and the family members who have no idea what is happening. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | It is extremely odd....
I can't believe that they have not found anything.... Even if it would have exploded into a million pieces there should be life vests or seat cushions floating around somewhere. According to the news they are assuming that the pilot turned around prior to disappearing... Why??? Why was ther no contact??
So odd. My prayers go out to the families affected by this. Terrible. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Current news reports say that they found oil slicks that could have been from the plane if it did indeed crash. And one search plane reporting seeing what could be a door from the plane....prayers that they find the answers. |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | missroselee - 2014-03-10 1:25 PM
Current news reports say that they found oil slicks that could have been from the plane if it did indeed crash. And one search plane reporting seeing what could be a door from the plane....prayers that they find the answers.
I just saw where they are saying the oil slicks are non related to the crash and that what they thought was the door ended up being trash. This whole thing is so weird. How does a huge air liner just disappear. The pictures i've seen of the family members are heart breaking |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | And not to sound like a crazy, paranoid person, but i think there's a lot that goes on that the general public has NO idea about. They may know something and just aren't telling us |
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Location: Oklahoma | horsepoor1 - 2014-03-10 2:06 PM And not to sound like a crazy, paranoid person, but i think there's a lot that goes on that the general public has NO idea about. They may know something and just aren't telling us
The episode of Scandal where they did the job for the airline pilot is coming to mind.
If there is any accuracy to that show's portrayal of how airlines cover themselves in cases of crashes then there is definitely a lot going on that we have no idea about! |
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Location: So. California | Longneck - 2014-03-10 12:12 PM horsepoor1 - 2014-03-10 2:06 PM And not to sound like a crazy, paranoid person, but i think there's a lot that goes on that the general public has NO idea about. They may know something and just aren't telling us The episode of Scandal where they did the job for the airline pilot is coming to mind.
If there is any accuracy to that show's portrayal of how airlines cover themselves in cases of crashes then there is definitely a lot going on that we have no idea about!
Since this was an international flight and several countries were "tracking" the plane, the entire thing is just baffling. I would highly doubt the airline is covering up anything, too many countries/agencies had their eyes on this flight. They all lost the flight signal at the same time, the plane has just flat disappeared. No calls for help or that anything was amiss...
Seems if the flight was crashing/landing, they'd see that sudden drop of altitude on the screens. My understanding the plane just quit sending it's signal.
How was the flight signal masked/blocked and where is the plane/passengers? It had to go somewhere, right? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Remember a few years back when a flight from Agentina to Paris (?) disappeared from the radar screen? I think it took a couple days before they even found any wreckage. That was out in the middle of the Atlantic. That was a combination of technical failure and pilot error, I think. Very odd that they haven't found any trace of anything. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-10 1:49 PM Remember a few years back when a flight from Agentina to Paris (?) disappeared from the radar screen? I think it took a couple days before they even found any wreckage. That was out in the middle of the Atlantic. That was a combination of technical failure and pilot error, I think. Very odd that they haven't found any trace of anything.
Air France 447, from Buenos Aires to Paris. However with that they had transponders telling them that there was a mechanical/technical failure and the last location so they knew approximately where to find the wreckage. As well, there was known storms in their last location. There was no such equipment installed in the 777 for some unknown reason and no storms for MH370. It took 2 years to find the wreckage of AF447 because it was at 15,000 feet below sea level. But planes just don't.... disappear into thin air. |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | i just read that some Chinese group is claiming they were responsible. This is all just so weird |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | It's not hard to change the beacon number they use to track you on radar...but that would only change the identity, not make it disappear. And you would think SOMEONE would notice if that happened. It had to have gotten too low to track, which most likely means crash. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't know if there's ever been an instance where a large airliner disappeared like this without a clue or a trace, after 3 days of searching or looking for answers. History is full of examples where things happen that were unimaginable, prior to the actual event. The only thing people seem to be talking about is the two stolen passports and one-way tickets. The thing that I keep wondering about is whether the terrorists have devised a new kind of bomb that is more destructive and harder to detect than anything we've seen. If our intelligence is aware of this, or hot on the trail of something along these lines, it could be they keep it mum, at least until something definitive is discovered. Ever since 9-11 there's been fears and talk about "suitcase nukes", for example. Small tactical nukes have existed ever since the early days of the cold war, and there is a body of thought out there that claims many suitcase nukes from the former Soviet Union are unaccounted for. If a weapon like this detonated, perhaps even by accident, then that plane would be vaporized. Anyway, my guess is they will eventually find debris and then the black box, but if they don't, then these far out possibilities have to be considered. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-10 6:33 PM
I don't know if there's ever been an instance where a large airliner disappeared like this without a clue or a trace, after 3 days of searching or looking for answers. History is full of examples where things happen that were unimaginable, prior to the actual event. The only thing people seem to be talking about is the two stolen passports and one-way tickets. The thing that I keep wondering about is whether the terrorists have devised a new kind of bomb that is more destructive and harder to detect than anything we've seen. If our intelligence is aware of this, or hot on the trail of something along these lines, it could be they keep it mum, at least until something definitive is discovered. Ever since 9-11 there's been fears and talk about "suitcase nukes", for example. Small tactical nukes have existed ever since the early days of the cold war, and there is a body of thought out there that claims many suitcase nukes from the former Soviet Union are unaccounted for. If a weapon like this detonated, perhaps even by accident, then that plane would be vaporized. Anyway, my guess is they will eventually find debris and then the black box, but if they don't, then these far out possibilities have to be considered.
I am on my phone so I don't the link but I read on Reuters that the Americans have looked at there satellites in the area and they could not see any explosion or plane blowing up. Apparently the USA has satellits coverong the whole Gulf of Thailand |
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Location: oklahoma | Someone mentioned the possibility that it was hijacked and in another country. Still doesn't explain it completely disappearing off of the radar. |
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Location: So. California | CurlyQ - 2014-03-11 10:14 AM Someone mentioned the possibility that it was hijacked and in another country. Still doesn't explain it completely disappearing off of the radar.
Exactly, how did they "mask" the plane's signals? There was no indication of an explosion (not that it isn't possible) because satelite surveillance would have captured that. There is enough "amature" flight followers out there, that it couldn't be kept secret for long if that in fact happened. And where is the debris? Wouldn't it be scattered far and wide?
The plane had 7 hours of fuel on board when it disappeared. If it ran out of fuel, it could coast even futher, the plane could be anywhere. They haven't heard a single ping from either of the planes tracking boxes. One is located in the tail, one towards the cockpit. Seems it would be pretty darn hard to disable both boxes simultaneously.
Right now, complete failure of all mechanical/engeineering functions make the most sense. What are the odds on that? And why wasn't there a mayday call from he pilots?
It's almost like the plane flew into a vortex and poof, gone! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I'm thinking either aliens or time travel portal. Apparently, I've been reading too much. |
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Location: In a happy place | This is so very sad. The Bermuda Triangle stories have always intrigued me and this scenario has come to mind for me. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Whiteboy - 2014-03-11 12:54 PM
Anybody remember Lost?
Yes!! I have all 6 seasons on DVD.... Best job of casting for TV I ever saw...
I will not say what I think because I read too much Tom Clancy... |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Well, it just got weirder. Malaysian military might have picked up the plane on radar, in the Straight of Malacca! That's on the west side of Malaysia. No explanations. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2014/03/10/21525326.html
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Location: oklahoma | Of course this was all on fox ( xm radio :), but they also said that a Chinese cell phone tracking device says that all of the phones under their system still ring. If they were in the water, the phones would be dead. My lunch time was over so I didn't hear any other theories. You guys are right, the scenarios are endless. |
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Location: Florida.. | if thats the case then its been hyjacked and by terrorists ..
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/11/malaysian-military-missing-jet-changed-course-allegations-abou/20847836/?ncid=webmail1
Also Tuesday, Malaysian and international police authorities said two people who boarded Flight MH370 with stolen passports were Iranians who had bought tickets to Europe, where they planning to migrate. Their presence on the flight had raised speculation of a possible terrorist link.
Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said investigators had determined one was a 19-year-old Iranian, Pouria Nourmohammadi Mehrdad. "We believe he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group," Khalid said.
Interpol identified the second man as Seyed Mohammed Reza Delavar, a 29-year-old Iranian, and released an image of the two boarding at the same time. Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble said the two men traveled to Malaysia on their Iranian passports, then apparently switched to their stolen Austrian and Italian documents.
CIA Director John Brennan said in Washington that Malaysian authorities "are looking very carefully at what went wrong; you know, if these individuals got onto the plane with these stolen passports, why they were not aware of it."
He also said there has been "a lot of speculation right now - some claims of responsibility that have not been, you know, confirmed or corroborated at all. We are looking at it very carefully."
Asked if terrorism could be ruled out, Brennan replied, "No, I wouldn't rule it out. Not at all."
my guess is .. bombed and at bottom of sea but they say otherwise.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_radiobeacon
Have to wonder why this didn't go off?
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Can these be disabled or are they not in reach on board to do so?
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| dream_chaser - 2014-03-12 8:03 AM Can these be disabled or are they not in reach on board to do so?
My SO - who works on Military planes for Boeing said they will send a distress signal if the wires are cut on them and they have to be VERY careful just handling them as violent motion such as shaking them will cause them to go off. |
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Heard last night...........yes there are 2 beacons and both would have to be disabled................could it be done........yes........... |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Another thought......with today's airplanes you have wifi.........my husband and friend who travel a lot always message me via Facebook messaging or through email.............while in flight.......is there not any communications with anyone from that flight.........as in just a status update prior to the disappearance ? |
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Location: The edge of no where | CJE - 2014-03-12 12:43 PM Another thought......with today's airplanes you have wifi.........my husband and friend who travel a lot always message me via Facebook messaging or through email.............while in flight.......is there not any communications with anyone from that flight.........as in just a status update prior to the disappearance ?
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| I still think this is THE weirdest thing EVER! All sorts of things I wonder about? - Did it land somewhere in some remote site, are the people hostages? - If so, though, nobody has came forth. It's just flat WEIRD to just disappear without a TRACE. |
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Location: Alberta | So media is reporting that must be hijacking.....someone who knew what they were doing. Which leaves me to wonder if the pilot or someone on the crew wasn't in on it, because as if the pilots couldn't of sent some kind of a signal if distress started on the plane? I just want answers for all those families.... |
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Location: oklahoma | Well, supposedly, this is 'breaking' news but the pilot is involved. ( rolling my eyes). I heard on foxnews, xm, a few days ago that he's never been reprimanded, not even when he invited 2 women into the cockpit. " no red flags." Please pray for the people on board. I'm sure that they're terrified. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | CurlyQ - 2014-03-15 10:10 AM Well, supposedly, this is 'breaking' news but the pilot is involved. ( rolling my eyes). I heard on foxnews, xm, a few days ago that he's never been reprimanded, not even when he invited 2 women into the cockpit. " no red flags." Please pray for the people on board. I'm sure that they're terrified.
That was the First Officer NOT the pilot. From what we know so far the pilot was a aviation junkie and even had a flight simulator in his house. With that being said, with hijacking as the number 1 theory out there right now I suspect one or both of the pilots was on the plan IMO. I just don't get why they hijacked it (although hijkacking a Malaysian aircraft was a good plan because they are proving to be severely incompetent) and where they took it. Did they crash into the Indian ocean? Find an abandoned runway in Vietnam? |
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Location: oklahoma | Yep, you're right, not the pilot with the 'visitors'. I just don't understand why they're just now investigating him. Embarrassment? I've only heard snippets while I've been traveling this week, guess I should turn on the t.v. They'd land in china and not be noticed maybe or what about Afghanistan? Could they've of made it there? The "why" may never be understood because people that do this are insane. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | CurlyQ - 2014-03-15 12:41 PM
Yep, you're right, not the pilot with the 'visitors'. I just don't understand why they're just now investigating him. Embarrassment? I've only heard snippets while I've been traveling this week, guess I should turn on the t.v. They'd land in china and not be noticed maybe or what about Afghanistan? Could they've of made it there? The "why" may never be understood because people that do this are insane.
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Location: Dubach, LA | horsepoor1 - 2014-03-10 2:06 PM And not to sound like a crazy, paranoid person, but i think there's a lot that goes on that the general public has NO idea about. They may know something and just aren't telling us
Too many eyes. At least one government or military knows exactly what happened. Those satellites don't miss much. |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | I keep thinking about that TV show "Lost". It was about and airplane and weird circumstances..... time and space..... This is all just so weird. Of course, the logical explanations are it crashed in the ocean or was hi-jacked and flown to an currently unknown location. I pray it is at an unknown location and the passengers are safe but being held against their will BUT will be found / rescued very, very soon.
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| ridejg - 2014-03-15 1:47 PM My guess is that the plane has landed and been hid, and is being loaded with nuclear weapons to be unleashed on possibly Israel...USA ????
Very scary world..
This is my fear.....
This plane needs to be found. I agree with those sayiing that something is very, very wrong. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Delta Cowgirl - 2014-03-15 1:59 PM
I keep thinking about that TV show "Lost". It was about and airplane and weird circumstances..... time and space..... This is all just so weird. Of course, the logical explanations are it crashed in the ocean or was hi-jacked and flown to an currently unknown location. I pray it is at an unknown location and the passengers are safe but being held against their will BUT will be found / rescued very, very soon.
LOST just had it's 10 year anniversary.. Great show..
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| Its wierd that no one got a text or email thru, even on 911 people got those kind of things thru. It is very wierd that or lets put it this way that some goverment has let the news out about something. Lots puzzle pieces missing. I agree that plane is in iran, iraq, pakastan, or one god forbedden countries. We will never know the truth if obama doesnot make them fess, i bet the chineese people will find put as there where a lot of there people on there plane.
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Location: So. California | The Malaysian government has not been forthcoming or very inept with this situation. Because the cell phones rang the following day and did not go directly to VM, it would leave one to believe that the plane landed somewhere. No phone calls/texts went out as you don't have cell service in the air and there aren't any cell towers to transmit the call in the middle of the ocean...
Assuming the plane was hijacked (for whatever reason) collecting all the cell phones, tablets, computers would be one of the first priorities on the check off list. Which means there has to be multiple persons whom hijacked the plane.
There are many countries where that plane could land and be hidden. The plane had a LOT of fuel left and allegedly was flown for 5-7 hours after last contact - which direction is the million dollar question.
What is the end goal of the hijackers? Are they wanting money? Asylum? The plane? Or some more sinister reason?? Again, assuming the plane has landed (not crashed) what have they done with the passengers and crew?
My heart goes out the families of these passengers/crew. I cannot fathom what they are going through...
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Location: SE Louisiana | Anniemae - 2014-03-15 4:49 PM
The Malaysian government has not been forthcoming or very inept with this situation. Because the cell phones rang the following day and did not go directly to VM, it would leave one to believe that the plane landed somewhere. No phone calls/texts went out as you don't have cell service in the air and there aren't any cell towers to transmit the call in the middle of the ocean...
Assuming the plane was hijacked (for whatever reason) collecting all the cell phones, tablets, computers would be one of the first priorities on the check off list. Which means there has to be multiple persons whom hijacked the plane.
There are many countries where that plane could land and be hidden. The plane had a LOT of fuel left and allegedly was flown for 5-7 hours after last contact - which direction is the million dollar question.
What is the end goal of the hijackers? Are they wanting money? Asylum? The plane? Or some more sinister reason?? Again, assuming the plane has landed (not crashed) what have they done with the passengers and crew?
My heart goes out the families of these passengers/crew. I cannot fathom what they are going through...
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Location: So. California | The were calls from family members to passengers.... They reported last weekend that the phones just rang and rang, meaning the phones weren't turned off.
Do you think the cell towers were searching for the phones?
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Location: oklahoma | Anniemae - 2014-03-15 5:02 PM The were calls from family members to passengers.... They reported last weekend that the phones just rang and rang, meaning the phones weren't turned off.
Do you think the cell towers were searching for the phones?
Has anyone tried to call someone on a flight, who kept there cell phones on? What happens??
A few days ago, I thought it sounded weird too, ringing and still working but they explained last night that it's not like the home phone. You call, it goes to a satellite , then to a tower and then to the cell phone. It still rings, just nothing on the end of it. There's a sort of delay. Idk, still so fishy, all of it. Someone knows where that plane full of people is at.... |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | komet. - 2014-03-15 2:25 PM
Delta Cowgirl - 2014-03-15 1:59 PM
I keep thinking about that TV show "Lost". It was about and airplane and weird circumstances..... time and space..... This is all just so weird. Of course, the logical explanations are it crashed in the ocean or was hi-jacked and flown to an currently unknown location. I pray it is at an unknown location and the passengers are safe but being held against their will BUT will be found / rescued very, very soon.
LOST just had it's 10 year anniversary.. Great show..
I think of other things, but I read too much Tom Clancy..
There ARE "other" things to ponder, too. I am a Clancy fan myself and this mystery could be easily be a Clancy story...... one I really do not want to think about too much. It had enough fuel to fly long enough to get to land and be hidden. None of us could have ever imagined what happened with the Twin Towers and the hi-jacking of so many planes that day...... all the years of planning that went into that effort. |
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Location: AR & OK |  All that satellite imagery and they can't see the flight path? |
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Location: So. California | Delta Cowgirl - 2014-03-15 4:37 PM komet. - 2014-03-15 2:25 PM Delta Cowgirl - 2014-03-15 1:59 PM I keep thinking about that TV show "Lost". It was about and airplane and weird circumstances..... time and space..... This is all just so weird. Of course, the logical explanations are it crashed in the ocean or was hi-jacked and flown to an currently unknown location. I pray it is at an unknown location and the passengers are safe but being held against their will BUT will be found / rescued very, very soon. LOST just had it's 10 year anniversary.. Great show.. I think of other things, but I read too much Tom Clancy.. There ARE "other" things to ponder, too. I am a Clancy fan myself and this mystery could be easily be a Clancy story...... one I really do not want to think about too much. It had enough fuel to fly long enough to get to land and be hidden. None of us could have ever imagined what happened with the Twin Towers and the hi-jacking of so many planes that day...... all the years of planning that went into that effort.
The plane kept flying, so there had to be some destination in mind... To what end? And why hasn't anyone claimed responsibility? Why hasn't there been any "ransom" demands? Was the plane hijacked, just to fly out to sea and ditch it? Why wait? Nothing makes any sense...
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| There is a reason they wanted that plane weather it was a passenger, cargo, or just the plane that they have a plan with. I hate to say as i feel the passengers are gone, but the plane is landed somewhere. Just have a feeling, dont really have a feling where plane is but this a terrorist operation, and they where smart enough to turn those units off so following them would not be easy. I think it might be and inside job.
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Location: Florida.. | candyloveshorses - 2014-03-15 8:00 PM All that satellite imagery and they can't see the flight path?
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/15/malaysian-leader-search-for-mh370-has-entered-a-new-phase/20850619/?ncid=webmail3#!slide=2487288
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Does anyone really think that India or the USA military monitoring Iraq/Afghanstan skies would allow an unknown plane to just fly through their airspace and not question it? Doesn't seem very likely.
The other option they are focusing on (or telling us they are focusing on??) is south, out to sea... if the plane was ditched, where is the debris? You would think they would find something with all that technology...
And why wouldn't the plane fly due west and reach the continent of Africa? Plenty of places to land there... 
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Location: Wyoming | What ever the senerio it's not good. I feel so bad for the family's.
I wonder why nothing has been reported about them
It wouldn't surprise me if our government doesn't know a lot more than is being reported. It's a very scary world we live in & they want to cut our military at a time like this. |
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Location: Phoenix | Runninformoney - 2014-03-15 7:56 PM What ever the senerio it's not good. I feel so bad for the family's. I wonder why nothing has been reported about them It wouldn't surprise me if our government doesn't know a lot more than is being reported. It's a very scary world we live in & they want to cut our military at a time like this.
AMEN...:I totally agree with you.
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Location: Alabama | Anniemae - 2014-03-15 5:02 PM The were calls from family members to passengers.... They reported last weekend that the phones just rang and rang, meaning the phones weren't turned off.
Do you think the cell towers were searching for the phones?
Has anyone tried to call someone on a flight, who kept there cell phones on? What happens??
I call my husband when he's flying and it just depends...sometimes the phone rings and then goes to voice mail or it goes straight to voice mail. The phones ringing doesn't mean much. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This story has become a "Where's Waldo" game. |
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Location: Arkansas | The radar tracking isn't turned on in some of the 3rd world countries except as neccassary. To save money.
We seem to forget that not all countries are like the US with all kinds of conummations and electronics.
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| candyloveshorses - 2014-03-15 7:00 PM
All that satellite imagery and they can't see the flight path?
Planes do not leave a path or at least the ones that come over my house do not leave a path. |
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| It is really hard to have cell phone towers in the middle of the ocean. North America is the only place that actually used cell phone towers anyway. Other areas of the world use satellites to relay calls. |
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Location: Texas | Honeymoney - 2014-03-16 12:18 PM candyloveshorses - 2014-03-15 7:00 PM All that satellite imagery and they can't see the flight path? Planes do not leave a path or at least the ones that come over my house do not leave a path.
I don't think that is what she meant lol. |
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Location: Far North! | Please excuse this post if I repeat something already said - I just read pg 4.
I think the US Government knows where it is. They don't need men on the ground to fight these kinds of wars they need intel and smarts to out play the terrorists at this game.
The plane can be used as a weapon. If it flew undetected for several hours then who is to say it couldn't do it again.
Maybe filled with bombs instead of passengers next time.
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| hammer_time - 2014-03-15 11:31 PM
Runninformoney - 2014-03-15 7:56 PM What ever the senerio it's not good. I feel so bad for the family's. I wonder why nothing has been reported about them It wouldn't surprise me if our government doesn't know a lot more than is being reported. It's a very scary world we live in & they want to cut our military at a time like this.
AMEN...:I totally agree with you.
I think they are still alive.
I hate to say it, but if the plane landed I don't think that the passengers did, at least alive. What they do know of the flight path is that it went straight up to above 43k feet where, if denied oxygen masks the passengers would have become unconscious and eventually dead. Then it descended to below radar detection and zigzagged around (where hubby thinks they would have been dumping bodies and luggage which would allow the plane to fly farther on available fuel). The rapid ascent would probably prevent anybody from calling anyone or rushing the cockpit for control.
If it did land, I fully expect it to be used in a terror attack somewhere.
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Location: Florida.. | is it possible to dump bodies in flight ? you cant open anything to push them out can you? or can you?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Bibliafarm - 2014-03-16 6:11 PM is it possible to dump bodies in flight ? you cant open anything to push them out can you? or can you?
The only way they could do that would be to blow a door open and that would suck everything out of the plane. |
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Location: Florida.. | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-16 7:36 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-03-16 6:11 PM is it possible to dump bodies in flight ? you cant open anything to push them out can you? or can you?
The only way they could do that would be to blow a door open and that would suck everything out of the plane.
that is what I thought to..
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| Kim Allen - 2014-03-16 3:14 PM Please excuse this post if I repeat something already said - I just read pg 4. I think the US Government knows where it is. They don't need men on the ground to fight these kinds of wars they need intel and smarts to out play the terrorists at this game. The plane can be used as a weapon. If it flew undetected for several hours then who is to say it couldn't do it again. Maybe filled with bombs instead of passengers next time. I wish peace to those unsuspecting families caught up in this nightmare and for a quick resolve. I honestly think our government KNOWS the whole story too - and (once again), they are LYING about it - just like they do everything else. I feel so, so bad for those families that are left wondering where their loved ones are. We have satellites that can read your license plate, don't even TRY to tell me they can't find a 777! SERIOUSLY - I'm not buying it.
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Location: Alberta | I honestly had to Google Boeing 777 to see how big, 200 plus people on board are a lot of people to control and have nobody send out something....
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Location: Oklahoma | dream_chaser - 2014-03-17 7:32 AM I honestly had to Google Boeing 777 to see how big, 200 plus people on board are a lot of people to control and have nobody send out something....
We were talking about that this weekend.. When 9/11 happened there were calls and texts from the planes.. the only way that people wouldn't be contacting folks if
a... they are dead or b. they somehow got everyone's phones...200 people is a lot of people to subdue and get phones.. Guess it could be done. And I am sure they are dead batteries by now.. but can't the phone companies do their thing and /track them the cell phones or even the families. |
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Location: Florida.. | if in fact theya re alive id think yes they could have texted or something.. before they were killed.. unless it just exploded.. no warning.. or also went straight down no warning.. or... they had no idea they turned around or off path then it was bombed.. another theory strange one would be they gassed them all.. toxic in the air .. so passengers had no clue..and had masks on themselves.. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-03-16 7:36 PM
Bibliafarm - 2014-03-16 6:11 PM is it possible to dump bodies in flight ? you cant open anything to push them out can you? or can you?
The only way they could do that would be to blow a door open and that would suck everything out of the plane.
They could, but they would have to go really low. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | And interesting interview I heard this morning was that the transponder coded is given to each pilot prior to the plane departing which leads more to the pilot having something to do with this plane disappearance. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | quikchik - 2014-03-17 9:23 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-03-16 7:36 PM
Bibliafarm - 2014-03-16 6:11 PM is it possible to dump bodies in flight ? you cant open anything to push them out can you? or can you?
The only way they could do that would be to blow a door open and that would suck everything out of the plane.
They could, but they would have to go really low.
True it has to be low to the ground. Like the heights for skydiving. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | CJE - 2014-03-17 9:26 AM
And interesting interview I heard this morning was that the transponder coded is given to each pilot prior to the plane departing which leads more to the pilot having something to do with this plane disappearance.
Yes, the pilot gets their squawk code when they file their IFR plan. (instrument flight rules) The default for VFR (visual flight rules) is 1200. I don't know how the big jets work, but the small planes can't turn their transponder off, although there is a button to actively send the squawk out and the traffic people will occasionally ask you to re-send it. Unidentified planes being flown into a "traffic" space, like around an airport with a tower, will be asked to squawk a code for id so they can be tracked and directed through the space, even if they are flying VFR. So planes show up on radar if they have enough altitude, even if they are not identified with a code. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | runningfree123 - 2014-03-17 9:06 AM dream_chaser - 2014-03-17 7:32 AM I honestly had to Google Boeing 777 to see how big, 200 plus people on board are a lot of people to control and have nobody send out something.... We were talking about that this weekend.. When 9/11 happened there were calls and texts from the planes.. the only way that people wouldn't be contacting folks if
a... they are dead or b. they somehow got everyone's phones...200 people is a lot of people to subdue and get phones.. Guess it could be done. And I am sure they are dead batteries by now.. but can't the phone companies do their thing and /track them the cell phones or even the families.
Your thought process is very logical. This is what I gathered about the cell phones from various reports I saw this weekend.
1) Other countries don't have cell phone towers like the US does. They rely on satalites. Somehow this prevents them from locating where the calls are coming from like they can with towers.
2) WiFi was not available on this flight so that lessens the possibilty of sending calls or text from this plane.
3) The calls made from family members to their loved ones on this plane that ring and ring with no answer has to do with the satalite transmission not the phone itself.
True or not, these were the explainations given. Such a tragedy for the families and possibly many many others. Praying answers are found soon.
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It takes a very long runway to safely land a 777. We have a 10,000 ft runway now at the Manassas airport and the top size is a DC9 or DC10 ish which are probably less than half the size of a 777.
While talking to the hubb my thoughts keep returning to: if this plane landed anywhere with a long enough runway it would have to be in a populated enough area that someone would have seen/heard about all this by now and reported something. A 777 is one of those BIG planes that stands out even at a big airport. It is not a plane that could be landed or hidden in the middle of nowhere.
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Location: Florida.. | lonely va barrelxr - 2014-03-17 11:31 AM I have not read all the pages but wanted to point out a couple things:
It takes a very long runway to safely land a 777. We have a 10,000 ft runway now at the Manassas airport and the top size is a DC9 or DC10 ish which are probably less than half the size of a 777.
While talking to the hubb my thoughts keep returning to: if this plane landed anywhere with a long enough runway it would have to be in a populated enough area that someone would have seen/heard about all this by now and reported something. A 777 is one of those BIG planes that stands out even at a big airport. It is not a plane that could be landed or hidden in the middle of nowhere.
Just some thoughts.
agree.. maybe it was shot down .. maybe why all the hish hush.. they know where it is.. my guess is bottom of ocean.. but not the path it was suppossed to go |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-03-17 10:34 AM lonely va barrelxr - 2014-03-17 11:31 AM I have not read all the pages but wanted to point out a couple things:
It takes a very long runway to safely land a 777. We have a 10,000 ft runway now at the Manassas airport and the top size is a DC9 or DC10 ish which are probably less than half the size of a 777.
While talking to the hubb my thoughts keep returning to: if this plane landed anywhere with a long enough runway it would have to be in a populated enough area that someone would have seen/heard about all this by now and reported something. A 777 is one of those BIG planes that stands out even at a big airport. It is not a plane that could be landed or hidden in the middle of nowhere.
Just some thoughts. agree.. maybe it was shot down .. maybe why all the hish hush.. they know where it is.. my guess is bottom of ocean.. but not the path it was suppossed to go
My heart really feels for these families. My gosh, it's horrible enough when you KNOW you've lost a loved one to some sort of airline accident. But in this case when there is .0009% of a chance?
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Location: Where I am happiest | There is an awfull lot of desolate land all around the world you could land a plane like this. You dont absolutelly have to have a paved maintaned runway. There are also quite a few old or abandoned airports and some used strictly for cargo planes. |
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Location: So. California | How can the Malyasia government declare everyone has perished, when they haven't found the plane yet? There is debris in the ocean, but that debris has NOT been identified yet... This story just keeps getting stranger and stranger... |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Yeah...I don't really understand why they needed to make that statement now...even though they have not found any of the wreckage...and are relying soley on where it apparently may have been located at the time of it's last ping on the satellite? Seems a bit premature. Even if it turns out to be accurate...just seems like they are putting that conclusion out there with not much to back it up.
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Location: Near San Antonio, TX | I think that they are concluding that if the last "ping" the planes engines made was somewhere in the south Indian Ocean, and that ping comes only once per hour, and there is no runway or even land within hours of the planes location at that time, they are deducing that the only option is that is ran out of fuel apparently and the flight ended in the ocean. I am not saying I agree with their concluding that, but I can see their line of reasoning.
My heart is so, so very broken for all directly affected by this. If those poor passengers knew something was amiss, yet the plane flew on and on for hours, you know they knew death was coming. Just a sad, sad deal. I really hope that they decided it was a good time to pray. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Everything about this story has been screwy and diabolical right from the start. |
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Location: Alberta | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 12:56 PM Everything about this story has been screwy and diabolical right from the start.
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Location: So. California | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 11:56 AM Everything about this story has been screwy and diabolical right from the start.
Scary to think this can happen on a seemingly not very exciting international flight. All I see is a bunch of ineptness, they are just grasping at straws as they have no answers, and the pressure is enormous.
We may never know what happened to this plane and passengers...
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Location: Living in my Promised Land | And we are to believe that the statement is true because the Prime Minister of Malaysia said it???? |
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Location: So. California | It is not for us to believe, it was for the families of the passengers. And they aren't buying into it... Since the majority of the passengers were Chinese, do you think the Chinese government is accepting this? |
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Location: oklahoma | Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence? |
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Location: That part of Texas | From an evidence stand point, it is pre-mature and possibly a little reckless in trying to say what exactly happened when they don't really know where the plane is at.
From a practical stand point, it is what needed to be done in terms of allowing the families to start dealing with the fallout from the death of their loved ones. Nobody wants to think about the practical matters when it comes with losing someone in an accident like this but life goes on -- bills are due, things have to be taken care of and finances are a big part for some of those left behind. Until someone says that the passengers are lost, the process in getting them declared dead so life insurance can be collected, estates processed so people can maintain what is left behind and matters dealing with child custody can possibly be taken care of.
How many days could your household run without you as a breadwinner or having the capability of running your household finances? These people have been gone for over two weeks. I know my personal stuff couldn't hold out much longer if I didn't have any type of documents or plans in place for someone to be able to access my bank accounts or other private information. Without being basically declared dead, you can't start the process of getting that type of access if you didn't already plan for it and have certain documents in place. Even most guardianships require the proposed ward to be served and how are you going to serve someone with process when even the US government can't find them? I feel bad for the families but this will probably help some in getting the ball rolling on dealing with the fallout.
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| Red Raider - 2014-03-24 5:53 PM From an evidence stand point, it is pre-mature and possibly a little reckless in trying to say what exactly happened when they don't really know where the plane is at.
From a practical stand point, it is what needed to be done in terms of allowing the families to start dealing with the fallout from the death of their loved ones. Nobody wants to think about the practical matters when it comes with losing someone in an accident like this but life goes on -- bills are due, things have to be taken care of and finances are a big part for some of those left behind. Until someone says that the passengers are lost, the process in getting them declared dead so life insurance can be collected, estates processed so people can maintain what is left behind and matters dealing with child custody can possibly be taken care of.
How many days could your household run without you as a breadwinner or having the capability of running your household finances? These people have been gone for over two weeks. I know my personal stuff couldn't hold out much longer if I didn't have any type of documents or plans in place for someone to be able to access my bank accounts or other private information. Without being basically declared dead, you can't start the process of getting that type of access if you didn't already plan for it and have certain documents in place. Even most guardianships require the proposed ward to be served and how are you going to serve someone with process when even the US government can't find them? I feel bad for the families but this will probably help some in getting the ball rolling on dealing with the fallout.
I never even thought about this aspect - thank you for that insight - I know what a mess it was for me with my Dad's finances and he only had hip surgery!
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Location: The edge of no where | Red Raider - 2014-03-24 5:53 PM From an evidence stand point, it is pre-mature and possibly a little reckless in trying to say what exactly happened when they don't really know where the plane is at.
From a practical stand point, it is what needed to be done in terms of allowing the families to start dealing with the fallout from the death of their loved ones. Nobody wants to think about the practical matters when it comes with losing someone in an accident like this but life goes on -- bills are due, things have to be taken care of and finances are a big part for some of those left behind. Until someone says that the passengers are lost, the process in getting them declared dead so life insurance can be collected, estates processed so people can maintain what is left behind and matters dealing with child custody can possibly be taken care of.
How many days could your household run without you as a breadwinner or having the capability of running your household finances? These people have been gone for over two weeks. I know my personal stuff couldn't hold out much longer if I didn't have any type of documents or plans in place for someone to be able to access my bank accounts or other private information. Without being basically declared dead, you can't start the process of getting that type of access if you didn't already plan for it and have certain documents in place. Even most guardianships require the proposed ward to be served and how are you going to serve someone with process when even the US government can't find them? I feel bad for the families but this will probably help some in getting the ball rolling on dealing with the fallout.
Thanks... this makes sense.
The whole thing is so weird. I really don't believe anything we've heard up to this point. Too many questions and no answers. |
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Location: That part of Texas | Griz - 2014-03-25 6:52 AM I never even thought about this aspect - thank you for that insight - I know what a mess it was for me with my Dad's finances and he only had hip surgery! I've always done estate planning as part of my private practice so I tend to think about things differently than most people and see that angle in things, especially when someone has died. I can be crying over losing a close friend or even relative while also thinking, "Where did he put his will . . . etc." I know, I can be horrible but I've had to help so many people through the process that it's just something that goes hand in hand with death in my mind.
If anybody wishes to send prayers to the family of the fellow Texan who was on board the plane (the IBM executive), here's a link to the FB page that was set up for him and any information on the flight:
https://www.facebook.com/findingphilipwood370
God Bless all of the family and friends of those on board.
ETA: Link to video interview of James Wood -- Phillips brother and the families reaction to the news: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/topvideos/2014/03/24/ac-intv-james-wood-flight-370-passenger-brother.cnn-ap.html
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So the experts seem to have concluded that this airliner disappeared in the south Indian Ocean, and the families have been told everyone is dead, yet no evidence exists that this jet went down, in terms of debris, etc... Remember Captain Sullenberger who put that US Air jet down in the Hudson river a few years ago? He set that thing down and it skimmed across the water. Slowly it started to sink, but not before everyone was rescued. For whatever reason, what if this pilot decided this was what he was going to do? If he succeeded, and if everyone onboard was already dead from a sudden decompression, then the pilot could have possibly landed that thing without breaking it up. It would be laying intact on the bottom of the ocean, 2-3 miles down. They are searching an area as large as Alaska. It will take a LONG time to find this thing, if ever.
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-25 7:30 PM So the experts seem to have concluded that this airliner disappeared in the south Indian Ocean, and the families have been told everyone is dead, yet no evidence exists that this jet went down, in terms of debris, etc... Remember Captain Sullenberger who put that US Air jet down in the Hudson river a few years ago? He set that thing down and it skimmed across the water. Slowly it started to sink, but not before everyone was rescued. For whatever reason, what if this pilot decided this was what he was going to do? If he succeeded, and if everyone onboard was already dead from a sudden decompression, then the pilot could have possibly landed that thing without breaking it up. It would be laying intact on the bottom of the ocean, 2-3 miles down. They are searching an area as large as Alaska. It will take a LONG time to find this thing, if ever.
?Just a thought/possible theory.
Not to sound rude but there is no way in hell they would have been successful in a ditching. Captain Sully said himself that the only reason he was successful was because he wasn't at a high altitude, just taking off, and there was perfect conditions on the Hudson at the time and there was a lot of 'luck' going his way. As far as I know (and I've read up on a lot of aircraft stuff these past few weeks), his is the only successful ditching of an aircraft on water.
I'm still going with the hijacking gone wrong theory. IMO its at the bottom of the Indian Ocean or in a country that isn't exactly an ally of the US. With that being said, there is no way any of the crew and passengers are alive.
As far as the Malaysian government is concerned- you know you've f'ed up when the Chinese government is telling you to be more transparent. Absolute collossal failure by the Malaysian government and this whole debacle is making them look like the third world country they are. I feel sorry for the families that had relatives onboard. I can't imagine what I would be doing if I didn't have answers. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I would have thought you were right, bc, but actually, it has been done successfully a number of times. Read this article:
http://www.airasia.com/travel3sixty/from-the-magazine/highlights/pilotsperspective/landing-on-water |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | CurlyQ - 2014-03-23 5:30 PM Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 11:35 PM I would have thought you were right, bc, but actually, it has been done successfully a number of times. Read this article:
http://www.airasia.com/travel3sixty/from-the-magazine/highlights/pilotsperspective/landing-on-water
I sure don't know enough on this subject but almost seems impossible due to the conditions of the Indian Ocean...... |
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Famous for Not Complaining
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Location: Broxton, Ga | They are now saying a friend of the pilot whose wife had left him has came out and said the pilot was not in a state of mind to fly................but my question is why fly for hours........
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-crash-or-pilot-suicide-pilot-friend-says-he-was-upset-and-probably-not-in-a-stat-4560825-NOR.html |
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Location: Oklahoma | CJE - 2014-03-26 10:21 AM CurlyQ - 2014-03-23 5:30 PM Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence? http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company
A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.
Wow. That was a very interesting read. I'd say that's a pretty soild (but still sad) motive. |
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Location: So. California | CJE - 2014-03-26 8:21 AM CurlyQ - 2014-03-23 5:30 PM Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence? http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company
A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.
They had 20 employees on board, out of 18,000+ employees. In hind sight, a bad idea to book all those employees on one flight, though very common when booking group travel. Only the company knows what projects those employees were working on, I'm not buying into the connection. They do have a Facebook page. |
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Location: Florida.. | my father and his guys would fly seperately.. a few on one jet and a few on another.. just for safety reasons.. never flew together all of them..
Edited by Bibliafarm 2014-03-26 8:40 PM
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Anniemae - 2014-03-25 6:14 PM CJE - 2014-03-26 8:21 AM CurlyQ - 2014-03-23 5:30 PM Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence? http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company
A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.
Not sure there is a connection just sharing some interesting facts. |
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