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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | I have a question regarding national anthems and women removing hats.... do. You? I know its disrespectful for a man to not remove it but at rodeos I never see women removing them. |
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| We were taught that men remove cover and women do not. I was born in the 60's so maybe things have changed in the last decade or so but we were taught that very young. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I was taught men remove cover, woman don't. But I always remove mine. I'm not so different from a man that I can't do the same to show respect. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | I think it comes from years ago when womens hats were often pinned in and were pretty much part of thier hair do.
If I am wearing a hat, I will pull it off for the National Anthem then hurry and put it back on before anyone can see my hat hair, lol. It also comes in handy to whack my boys with if they haven't taken their hat off yet.
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Barnmom - 2014-03-10 9:34 PM I think it comes from years ago when womens hats were often pinned in and were pretty much part of thier hair do.
If I am wearing a hat, I will pull it off for the National Anthem then hurry and put it back on before anyone can see my hat hair, lol. It also comes in handy to whack my boys with if they haven't taken their hat off yet.
Hubby just said same thing, it dates back to when women wore bonnets, or had hats pinned on for some reason and not easily removed. |
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| missroselee - 2014-03-10 8:36 PM Barnmom - 2014-03-10 9:34 PM I think it comes from years ago when womens hats were often pinned in and were pretty much part of thier hair do.
If I am wearing a hat, I will pull it off for the National Anthem then hurry and put it back on before anyone can see my hat hair, lol. It also comes in handy to whack my boys with if they haven't taken their hat off yet.
Hubby just said same thing, it dates back to when women wore bonnets, or had hats pinned on for some reason and not easily removed.
This is still the case at most rodeos and opens. Women have to pin, tape, superglue or hairspray that dadgum hat on!  |
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Location: Texas | i take mine off, and put my hand over my heart |
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Location: Phoenix | I wondered the same thing a couple of years ago! The National Anthem was being played and I took my hat off but noticed the girls didn't so I was like whaaaaaa? Now I just put my hand on my heart because I know it's OK to leave it on. |
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Location: N Texas | I thought everybody was supposed to take it off, but now I know women don't HAVE to. When I was watching The American, I noticed the female participants didn't remove their hats. My initial thought was "man, that's disrespectful" but then I realized their hats were probably pinned on and not easily removed.  |
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Location: GA | I've always taken mine off ... scary hat hair & all exposed LOL |
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 Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | I read somewhere that it is proper etiquette for a woman to remove her hat if it is a unisex hat. So cowboy hats would definitely fall into that category. |
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| I try to wait and pin mine after the national anthem is played so I can remove it. In a world so full of disrespect I think it's the least we can do. |
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Location: MD | I take mine off, unless I'm in the first drag and cant get to a bathroom to put it back on and re-tack it to my head! My dad who served said the same thing about the unisex hat which makes sense. |
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Location: North Dakota | If my hat is already "glued" to my head, then I leave it on. But if it is not, then I remove it. |
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| I have always removed my hat but I am usually the only girl I see doing so at the rodeos I attend. |
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Location: South Dakota | dashnlotti - 2014-03-11 9:12 AM I read somewhere that it is proper etiquette for a woman to remove her hat if it is a unisex hat. So cowboy hats would definitely fall into that category.
That makes sense. If you are wearing a baseball cap it sure seems like you would take that off. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i never take mine off............
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | It goes a little further back into religion. The woman was to cover her head so not to anger or blind the gods. A woman has the option to leave it on or remove it. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | cow pie - 2015-03-03 9:13 AM
It goes a little further back into religion. The woman was to cover her head so not to anger or blind the gods. A woman has the option to leave it on or remove it.
Bingo! In most cultures its actually disrespectful for religious reason for a woman to have her hair uncovered at all. Thus keeping your hat on is actually considered respectful. That's why even through the 60s hats were much more a de riguer item for women. It was part of older religious beliefs and customs that just became social and fashion oriented. We've lost most of that now but you can still see some Spanish women who cover their hair to go to church and certainly Muslim women do this with the hijab. |
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Location: Kansas | kramerica - 2014-03-10 8:31 PM We were taught that men remove cover and women do not. I was born in the 60's so maybe things have changed in the last decade or so but we were taught that very young.
that is what I was always told. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | I was taught along the lines of religion and not just that women had their hats pinned on. It is to symbolize that women were under the protection of God and men to show their respect to God took theirs off, but that is just the way I was taught, so I do not remove mine.
ETA: I guess that was more along the lines of prayer and not national anthems but I don't remove mine for national anthems either.
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Location: Middle Tennessee | Once I get that thing on, I leave it on. I think it would be more disrespectful to show my awful hat hair lol! But, I always do put my hand over my heart. |
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| I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore? |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | If I'm doing a queens presentation it's usally pinned hair sprayed and taped so it would be too much trouble to take it off. Any other time I take it off. I noticed at Open World in the walk out for finals I was one of the few women to take mine off but I don't see why a man should have to but a woman shouldn't. I don't think it should matter. |
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Location: Oklahoma | kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM
I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore?
No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/ |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Gunner11 - 2014-03-11 8:38 AM I thought everybody was supposed to take it off, but now I know women don't HAVE to. When I was watching The American, I noticed the female participants didn't remove their hats. My initial thought was "man, that's disrespectful" but then I realized their hats were probably pinned on and not easily removed.
The announcer actually said something to the effect of "gentlemen remove your hats for the national anthem"... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I'm old and men took off their hats and women put their hand over their heart. Now the younger generation are reading and texting while the Anthem is played. |
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| dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore? No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
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Location: on my horse | sodapop - 2015-03-03 9:12 PM
dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore? No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
I student teach 6th grade in Idaho and we have the pledge every morning as well. |
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Location: Louisiana | sodapop - 2015-03-03 10:12 PM dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore? No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
The HS (actually preK-12 all one campus) I graduated from does the pledge and prayer over intercom each morning. They get away with the prayer because it is led by a volunteer student. If there isn't a student on a particular day, an adult leads the pledge and then has a moment of silence. I don't remember many days when there wasn't a prayer though. |
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Location: Texas | My children go to the same school I went too, (town population less than 700) and still say the pedge, the state song of Texas and a prayer. There has never been a parent complain or get upset.
OP - It honestly depends on how my hair is done. I always put my hand over my heart and sing along! LOL |
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Location: Arkansas | Nevertooold - 2015-03-03 1:41 PM
I'm old and men took off their hats and women put their hand over their heart. Now the younger generation are reading and texting while the Anthem is played.
It would be at this point where I took my hand off my heart and hat off my head and whacked "the younger generation" with both. Respect for those men and women and that flag isn't negotiable in my house. |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | missroselee - 2014-03-10 8:34 PM I was taught men remove cover, woman don't. But I always remove mine. I'm not so different from a man that I can't do the same to show respect.
Ditto. |
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| I take my hat off and put my hand over my heart - I'm not that vain that I worry about what my hair looks like! |
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Location: NC | Take off the hat no matter what gender you are. You can pin/tape/spray it down again later. Tradition or religious excuses don't trump respect to me. Maybe I'm weird but I always take off my hat.
And stand still!!!! If your horse won't stand, get off and go somewhere away from the arena. That irks me like none other. It's 2 minutes of your time. Take of your hat and stand still. It isn't that hard. |
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| It all goes to show just how very little people know about respect and the rules of etiquette these days |
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| I don't usually wear hats, but when I was in HS marching band we all took them off. Now I just put my hand over my heart and sing along (quietly, I can't sing LOL). |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | There IS actually a U.S Code to cover this issue....Women are not required to remove cover........
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
(a) Designation.— The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem. (b ) Conduct During Playing.— During a rendition of the national anthem— (1 ) when the flag is displayed— (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
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Location: Texas | dashnlotti - 2015-03-03 10:54 PM sodapop - 2015-03-03 10:12 PM dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore? No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
We are in Texas, my son is in the 4th grade. They do the pledge to both flags, and the principal has a moment of silence. It has been that way since I went to school there. In school programs etc. it isn't uncommon for him to mention God either in his speach before the program starts.
My son came home a few weeks ago and said the entire 3rd and 4th grade got in trouble that day. I was going for what?! Then he told me some of the kids weren't being respectful during the pledge of allegiance and the principal and the teachers let all the other grades go to class but kept those 2 grades in the gym (They all gather in the gym before school starts). He made it clear to them that as long as he was principal they would respect the flag and told them why they should. My son said "I have never seen him that mad.... he was REALLY mad at us." I thought good for him. |
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Location: Sweet Home Alabama | I don't think that it's disrespectful for a woman to leave her hat on. I leave mine on and put my hand over my heart during the National Anthem and bow my head with it on during prayer. I've never even heard of females taking their hats off... And the more I think about it, I don't like the idea of it at all. Not sure why, it just seems more lady-like to keep it on. And men are superior and the head of the household, so it is respectful of them to "remove cover". I'm not sure how to explain it, but I just think it's 100% OK for a gal to keep her hat on. |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | pinx05 - 2015-03-04 12:22 PM
dashnlotti - 2015-03-03 10:54 PM sodapop - 2015-03-03 10:12 PM dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore? No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
My son came home a few weeks ago and said the entire 3rd and 4th grade got in trouble that day. I was going for what?! Then he told me some of the kids weren't being respectful during the pledge of allegiance and the principal and the teachers let all the other grades go to class but kept those 2 grades in the gym (They all gather in the gym before school starts). He made it clear to them that as long as he was principal they would respect the flag and told them why they should. My son said "I have never seen him that mad.... he was REALLY mad at us." I thought good for him.
When they started taking God and respect out of the schools, what did they expect to happen to this country? Did they really believe it was a good idea?? If only more principals were like this. . . |
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Location: west of East Texas | I'm 52 and I was taught to stand quietly and with respect during the anthem. Women didn't remove cover and no one put the hand over the heart. |
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| chasendacash - 2015-03-04 10:57 PM
I'm 52 and I was taught to stand quietly and with respect during the anthem. Women didn't remove cover and no one put the hand over the heart.
I have a few years on you and this is what we were taught also. The Pledge required hand over heart. Wonder how regional some of this teaching is?
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Location: Texas | I was raised to take my hat off and put my hand over my heart. |
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Location: North Dakota | cow pie - 2015-03-03 9:13 AM It goes a little further back into religion. The woman was to cover her head so not to anger or blind the gods. A woman has the option to leave it on or remove it.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Thank you for bringing the Code to attention.I get slapped by my half for not removing my hat. He says there is no such thing but he's english... |
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