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 Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | Matt's mare has found high gear and understandably, her runs have been a little wild lately. She's only 7 so she is definitely still learning. I would like some opinions on what tuning she would benefit from and any headgear changes that might help. The bit she's running in now is a chain mouth lifter bit from L&W with 5 inch shanks. Here's their run from yesterday. It was in the bottom of the 3D with 158 entries. http://youtu.be/60xl2u1ujKw?t=34s | |
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The Advice Guru
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| The horse needs slow work with reinforce on rate, her nose gets too high so she cannot see the barrel, so I would say she needs to learn head set.
For a bit I would look at a gag with a 1:1 ratio. I would also look at a nose band on the bit to help keep her nose down.
I like using German martingales on horses who need rate and nose control, as horses can not evade the bit as this horse is doing when she gets her nose up
Mostly I would slow her down and go for pretty.
The rider also needs to get better balance, as he is not centre more then he is, which makes it difficult for the horse to stay square. | |
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Location: The Great West | Try tuning her in a German martingale with a twisted snaffle at home, this should get you more collection and help her rate more. At jackpots get some exhibitions and score her to the gate by making her walk in then out and go slow around the barrels. | |
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Queen Bean of Ponyland
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Location: WYOMING | She's neat.
I think starting with a better take off might help the whole run. When she took off you were thrown back and balanced on her mouth. If it pinches or sores them up doing that then they are more likely to avoid pressure during the run.
Personally I dont see rate as the first big issue. I think she prepared pretty ok except for avoiding pressure on her face going into 2... which had her not prepare as nicely. Might need to work on better response to pressure and head position.
I would work on the exits on 2/3. You were hanging on her head on both exits which got her head up, neck bent and slowed you down. I would work on exiting those barrels in a better body postion for her and for your hands.
Edited by geronabean 2014-03-16 2:11 PM
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| It appears to me--could not see his hand---that he was holding her with the outside rein. When he dropped the outside rein and reached for the saddle horn she just fell into the barrel as a result she ended up flat on the back side and wide coming out of the turn. You shape your horse for the turn with the inside rein. You move your horse over with the inside rein. The way the horse was swatting her tail it could be a pain issue, perhaps teeth.
Edited by Honeymoney 2014-03-16 10:16 PM
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Location: OK | If you freeze it at 0:50, you will see the rein almost even with her headstall, and so is his hand. As you pause/play through it, he was trying to set her up for the 2nd and she was trying to drop it looked like to me. Maybe trust her, keep right hand low, tip her nose and let her roll and see what happens with more inside leg going in.
If you go back and watch his hands on his approach to the first, they never get that high, so I think it was an accident as he tried to move her over for the 2nd with his hands instead of his feet. Hit pause/play over and over and you can see it better. Remember, if a horse's head is in the air, they can't see the barrel, so sometimes better to give some inside leg, tip the nose a little, and just see what happens. Then correct what the horse does after that in slow work. It looks like to me she just really just wants to work the 2nd too soon. Her shoulder is dropping some and her rear is swinging out a little. Maybe send her up there, whoa, and step her hip in toward it over and over just walking or trotting. Maybe after stepping her hip in, roll her away and approach it again. Once she stops and steps her hip in by herself, then go on and turn it. On your approach, you can turn the 1st, tip her nose to the 2nd, and put her hip toward the 2nd and walk up there to it and stop, reminding her to always keep the shoulder up and hip in. She looks good! Good luck. | |
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | OK I have to say that I have figured out why he was off centered and all over the place yesterday - the stirrups on his new saddle were not the same length on both sides. In fact, the right one was two holes lower than the left. I'd like to think that will correct some of the problems. Sometimes it is the little things LOL. Hopefully that will help him stay off her face more.....she is pretty sensitive and definitely one of those "I got this, you just hang on" types so she gets upset when he tries to "help" too much.
We just did some slow work with her to test out one of my rope bonnets and I wanted to reinforce some things that I thought could be better......mainly leaving the barrels in line for the next so she was prepared to turn. She definitely needed some slow work and Matt doesn't think he has had a chancce to do any with her this year thanks to the weather. The bonnet seemed to help, and she figured out quickly the few little tweaks I was asking for.....mainly keeping her hip in and carrying an arc around the 2nd barrel.
I also suggested that he ask another friend of ours about using a German martingale on her. I've never used one, don't own one and would have no idea how to set it up, so maybe this other gal can help with that.
My first comment after working her was that he better watch out or I am going to steal her. She's a lot different than my big geldings but definitely a cool horse that I wouldn't mind riding more. | |
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | jojammer - 2014-03-16 5:59 PM If you freeze it at 0:50, you will see the rein almost even with her headstall, and so is his hand. As you pause/play through it, he was trying to set her up for the 2nd and she was trying to drop it looked like to me. Maybe trust her, keep right hand low, tip her nose and let her roll and see what happens with more inside leg going in. If you go back and watch his hands on his approach to the first, they never get that high, so I think it was an accident as he tried to move her over for the 2nd with his hands instead of his feet. Hit pause/play over and over and you can see it better. Remember, if a horse's head is in the air, they can't see the barrel, so sometimes better to give some inside leg, tip the nose a little, and just see what happens. Then correct what the horse does after that in slow work. It looks like to me she just really just wants to work the 2nd too soon. Her shoulder is dropping some and her rear is swinging out a little. Maybe send her up there, whoa, and step her hip in toward it over and over just walking or trotting. Maybe after stepping her hip in, roll her away and approach it again. Once she stops and steps her hip in by herself, then go on and turn it. On your approach, you can turn the 1st, tip her nose to the 2nd, and put her hip toward the 2nd and walk up there to it and stop, reminding her to always keep the shoulder up and hip in. She looks good! Good luck.
You just described what I felt when I trotted her through the first time......her hip was drifting out before the 2nd barrel. It literally took 2 or 3 times of walking up to the rate point and me pushing her hip in toward the barrel before she started setting herself up correctly, and that translated to the third barrel pretty well. She is smart and I think has a lot of potential plus she's cute which is always a nice bonus. :)
He was THRILLED with her first barrel yesterday - said it was probably one of the best they've ever had and I would agree with that. | |
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Looking for suggestions on tuning this mare up