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| Went to a local jackpot, different association then I regulary run so not familiar with them personally. It was muddy in the warmup area so during exhibitions they were letting people exercise their horses in the arena behind the third barrel. It is not a big pen and the announcer was asking everyone to be considerate and aware of those exhibitioning but some were still loping very close to the barrel. I asked the guy working the alley could he ask them to just stand in a corner went I went, I wanted to make a run, didn't want a wreck plus if horse doesn't work won't know if it is because there are 10 horses loping behind the 3rd or just him or me. He was not rude but I got a little lecture about how if this was a rodeo blah blah blah and how we sure do things different down here then they do up north. I don't let much get to me and just said I would appreciate it and he did have them move to a corner. I always think it is funny when they compare a jackpot to a rodeo because it is not a rodeo and if it were a rodeo there would be no exhibitions and everyone would be warming up in the mud and not behind the 3rd barrel. |
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Location: Qld Australia | I'm sorry, you paid for the use of the arena for an exhibition, I think that was stupid and completely unsafe for others to be warming up while someone is running.
I do not think you were out of line at all and I agree, how can he compare this situation to a rodeo. Nothing like one at all. |
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 A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | No, you were not out of line. I'd have asked for my $$ back and went home. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | You were not out of line. where I ride sometimes riders will group up and go in together for time onlys. but the one on the course has the say so about the others at their moment. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Heck no!!!! |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Fun2Run - 2014-03-16 6:32 PM No, you were not out of line. I'd have asked for my $$ back and went home.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nope, I paid for my 20 seconds of time and I want them undisturbed. |
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Shelter Dog Lover
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| I stuck to my guns, my $$ and my arena for that 60 seconds. Was really wondering if yall do it different up north since he made that comment. He should not have been annoyed at all. My friend was in line behind me and same thing, wanted the riders in the corner. He called us jackpot queens. I laughed and said well I guess that makes you the servant and the queen wants the arena safe when she runs. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | rodeomom3 - 2014-03-16 3:48 PM I stuck to my guns, my $$ and my arena for that 60 seconds. Was really wondering if yall do it different up north since he made that comment. He should not have been annoyed at all. My friend was in line behind me and same thing, wanted the riders in the corner. He called us jackpot queens. I laughed and said well I guess that makes you the servant and the queen wants the arena safe when she runs.
I guess I am just lucky cuz my horse is such a jerk they just get out of his way LOL |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | I have ridden where people were in the arena during time onlys but the arena is huge. one gal asked for everyone to leave so she could enter and see if the horse would be a jerk at the gate. we all were glad to help! |
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| Nope. I paid for that arena for my full 1 minute. If I want people out, then I really want them out. I've kicked people out before, sometimes politely, sometimes cordially, and sometimes I've had to pull the '*****' face to get my point across.
It's sort of like when I want to trot/lope a colt through three times in a row. I paid for it, I wrote myself in for three go's, and I'm not sorry to do it. Sometimes there's been a well known or two chomping at the bit behind me, but I just smile and let them know nicely that I'll be finishing shortly. I'll catch plenty of dirty looks, but I paid just like everyone else.
Another thing that bothers me about producers of small races, sometimes they're exhibitioning without the clock. I always ask for the clock on, sometimes I've hauled somebody in just to see their timed progress in that pen. Sometimes it's gotten me a dirty look, but for goodness sake I paid for it!
I know you didn't start this as an exhibition rant, and I'm afraid I got off topic, but that's just what leapt to mind. :) |
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Shelter Dog Lover
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| classicpotatochip - 2014-03-16 5:58 PM
Nope. I paid for that arena for my full 1 minute. If I want people out, then I really want them out. I've kicked people out before, sometimes politely, sometimes cordially, and sometimes I've had to pull the '*****' face to get my point across.
It's sort of like when I want to trot/lope a colt through three times in a row. I paid for it, I wrote myself in for three go's, and I'm not sorry to do it. Sometimes there's been a well known or two chomping at the bit behind me, but I just smile and let them know nicely that I'll be finishing shortly. I'll catch plenty of dirty looks, but I paid just like everyone else.
Another thing that bothers me about producers of small races, sometimes they're exhibitioning without the clock. I always ask for the clock on, sometimes I've hauled somebody in just to see their timed progress in that pen. Sometimes it's gotten me a dirty look, but for goodness sake I paid for it!
I know you didn't start this as an exhibition rant, and I'm afraid I got off topic, but that's just what leapt to mind. :)
I understand, I wanted that exhibition to mimic a run as close as I could. We all have things we are working on and it is not for others to decide how we should do it. We always have the timer on. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | No you were not out of line.
First of all- its your 60 seconds in the arena.
Second of all- if you wanted the rodeo atmosphere you'd be at a d*mn rodeo and not the 4D you went to. You went there to get practice, and that's what you paid for, and thats what you should be able to do.
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | not to mention, one time at a race a couple years ago the weather was horrible and they let the next set of 5 sit in the arena behind the timer when we ran. my novice horse at the time ran, he saw the horses in the pen and turned back to them and almost no timed. might as well have after that LOL. |
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Location: Viola, IL | I'm from way up North. Went to a jackpot last year, that was super tiny, and the outdoor was muddy as heck. Guess what, you still warmed up the outdoor and ran your expo in the arena. It's your time, you pay for it. I've never been anywhere were they have let us use the arena during exhibitions. It doesnt matter if you pay a dollar or 5 or 50 for that time, it's yours, you get to use it how you like. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I've never seen anything like that up here. That was ridiculous. No, you weren't out of line. |
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| All I am going to say is that there are a lot of people around here who have never been to an actual jackpot and have no concept about people training their horses. They think exhibitions are to raise money and you are out there playing. Just roll with the flow or don't go back. There is a group around here that does not know how to figure out the 4 divisions. The actually called the police on a friend who tried to show them. This is one of those Cowboy Churches and I do not think one person has been to a 4D barrel race. |
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Location: Texas | Honeymoney - 2014-03-16 10:06 PM
All I am going to say is that there are a lot of people around here who have never been to an actual jackpot and have no concept about people training their horses. They think exhibitions are to raise money and you are out there playing. Just roll with the flow or don't go back. There is a group around here that does not know how to figure out the 4 divisions. The actually called the police on a friend who tried to show them. This is one of those Cowboy Churches and I do not think one person has been to a 4D barrel race.
i went to an open show once with exhibition barrels and a 4D jackpot afterward. They could not get over that exhibitions you could circle the barrel multiple times, or go to the fence and go around to take your second exhibition. They kept no timing us! |
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Fire Ant Peddler
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| casualdust07 - 2014-03-16 10:22 PM
Honeymoney - 2014-03-16 10:06 PM
All I am going to say is that there are a lot of people around here who have never been to an actual jackpot and have no concept about people training their horses. They think exhibitions are to raise money and you are out there playing. Just roll with the flow or don't go back. There is a group around here that does not know how to figure out the 4 divisions. The actually called the police on a friend who tried to show them. This is one of those Cowboy Churches and I do not think one person has been to a 4D barrel race.
i went to an open show once with exhibition barrels and a 4D jackpot afterward. They could not get over that exhibitions you could circle the barrel multiple times, or go to the fence and go around to take your second exhibition. They kept no timing us!
Like I said---never been anywhere. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | casualdust07 - 2014-03-16 10:22 PM Honeymoney - 2014-03-16 10:06 PM All I am going to say is that there are a lot of people around here who have never been to an actual jackpot and have no concept about people training their horses. They think exhibitions are to raise money and you are out there playing. Just roll with the flow or don't go back. There is a group around here that does not know how to figure out the 4 divisions. The actually called the police on a friend who tried to show them. This is one of those Cowboy Churches and I do not think one person has been to a 4D barrel race. i went to an open show once with exhibition barrels and a 4D jackpot afterward. They could not get over that exhibitions you could circle the barrel multiple times, or go to the fence and go around to take your second exhibition. They kept no timing us!
I got yelled at for excessive training over the loudspeaker for going around the second barrel three times during an exhibition. I was going fast enough to be well under the 60 seconds so I thought I was fine correcting my mare that was spooking at the banners on the fence, guess I was wrong, lol. |
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| casualdust07 - 2014-03-16 10:22 PM Honeymoney - 2014-03-16 10:06 PM All I am going to say is that there are a lot of people around here who have never been to an actual jackpot and have no concept about people training their horses. They think exhibitions are to raise money and you are out there playing. Just roll with the flow or don't go back. There is a group around here that does not know how to figure out the 4 divisions. The actually called the police on a friend who tried to show them. This is one of those Cowboy Churches and I do not think one person has been to a 4D barrel race. i went to an open show once with exhibition barrels and a 4D jackpot afterward. They could not get over that exhibitions you could circle the barrel multiple times, or go to the fence and go around to take your second exhibition. They kept no timing us!
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Location: Midwest | LMAO at the "up north" lecture
I'm about as north as it gets. I run IN IBRA and open or NBHA races near to me in IL and IN....
Never seen people in the arena just riding around during exibitions... ever!
And no you were not out of line. |
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Location: Florida | Where I live everyone and anyone rides around the arena during exhibitions. People line up in the gate or all stand behind the timer, I wish it was where you had the arena to yourself but is is not. Sometimes you wont even finish your pattern and they are starting to go! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Barnmom - 2014-03-16 10:29 PM casualdust07 - 2014-03-16 10:22 PM Honeymoney - 2014-03-16 10:06 PM All I am going to say is that there are a lot of people around here who have never been to an actual jackpot and have no concept about people training their horses. They think exhibitions are to raise money and you are out there playing. Just roll with the flow or don't go back. There is a group around here that does not know how to figure out the 4 divisions. The actually called the police on a friend who tried to show them. This is one of those Cowboy Churches and I do not think one person has been to a 4D barrel race. i went to an open show once with exhibition barrels and a 4D jackpot afterward. They could not get over that exhibitions you could circle the barrel multiple times, or go to the fence and go around to take your second exhibition. They kept no timing us! I got yelled at for excessive training over the loudspeaker for going around the second barrel three times during an exhibition. I was going fast enough to be well under the 60 seconds so I thought I was fine correcting my mare that was spooking at the banners on the fence, guess I was wrong, lol.
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | Seems like all areas have different rules and ways to run their show/exhibitions.
In Ariz at a race everyone lined up outside the gate with a ticket(s) showing you paid and you went as soon as the person in front of you finished. That I hated cause you stood there with your horse getting cold, instead of your horse being warmed up. In fact NBHA Vegas does that unless they changed. Another race I attended in Nevada we were given an actually time to exhibit- that was really nice. 
Since we're discussing this -- I'm not a fan of really loud loud music- especially rap. In fact what does rap have to do with horses?  I like music, but I would like to hear my time afterwards.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | The last race I attended, I bought 5 exhibition runs. Hadn't been to a race in a while, so I wanted to brush up and make sure Cash was going to cooperate. The arena had a "large" attendance of about 45 people. They called out over the intercom that exhibitions were going too end early instead of alotting the full 1-1/2 hours. So, of course, everyone lines up. When I got up to the gate, I was informed we are only allowed to do one at a time and get back in line. The more "well-knowns" were able to go as many times as they needed. I, on the other hand, got 2 exhibitions in before they ended. Many people didn't get to use their practice. And nobody was offered money back. Probably won't be going back...
I think for a lot of arenas, they change things as it suits them. Unfortunately, we're the ones that pay. |
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| ~BINGO~ - 2014-03-17 10:27 AM
The last race I attended, I bought 5 exhibition runs. Hadn't been to a race in a while, so I wanted to brush up and make sure Cash was going to cooperate. The arena had a "large" attendance of about 45 people. They called out over the intercom that exhibitions were going too end early instead of alotting the full 1-1/2 hours. So, of course, everyone lines up. When I got up to the gate, I was informed we are only allowed to do one at a time and get back in line. The more "well-knowns" were able to go as many times as they needed. I, on the other hand, got 2 exhibitions in before they ended. Many people didn't get to use their practice. And nobody was offered money back. Probably won't be going back...
I think for a lot of arenas, they change things as it suits them. Unfortunately, we're the ones that pay.
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| ~BINGO~ - 2014-03-17 10:27 AM
The last race I attended, I bought 5 exhibition runs. Hadn't been to a race in a while, so I wanted to brush up and make sure Cash was going to cooperate. The arena had a "large" attendance of about 45 people. They called out over the intercom that exhibitions were going too end early instead of alotting the full 1-1/2 hours. So, of course, everyone lines up. When I got up to the gate, I was informed we are only allowed to do one at a time and get back in line. The more "well-knowns" were able to go as many times as they needed. I, on the other hand, got 2 exhibitions in before they ended. Many people didn't get to use their practice. And nobody was offered money back. Probably won't be going back...
I think for a lot of arenas, they change things as it suits them. Unfortunately, we're the ones that pay.
This is where my mouth gets out of hand. I start out nice and then it goes downhill from there depending if I feel like I'm getting jerked around. I never go back to this type of scenario, but by golly everyone there is going to know why!! |
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| You paid for arena time..... and you should get that time by yourself. There are alot of trainers in my area and they pay for 3-5 time onlys. I dont mind that but I do hate it when they decide to bring up their colts 5 mins before the time onlys close and they spend the next 15 mins in the arena. Some races will carry over time onlys after the race and others will allow time onlys to continue till its done. |
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My Heelers are Heroes
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| I saw something interesting a couple of years ago. Exhibitions were over and they had ran a couple of youth classes. Along comes the open and a woman comes in and trots and schools on the barrels. She comes out and goes about half way down the alley. They call out her name and she comes in running.
No one else did that so I don't know if all would have been allowed or not but I kindof doubt it.
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So was I out of line??