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Are the Texas horses faster than others? What makes it a Texas horse?
I watched some of the D&D open and the ones I seen looked, well, very underwhelming. Just a bunch of 3D caliber horses that were out ran by futurity horses from all over.
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Location: Texas | A lot of people make comments about Texas horses because the competition is very tough here because we have so many jack pots, rodeos, ect everywhere and so many compeitors. Our Amauteur rodeos like the United Professional Rodeo Asociations and the Cowboys Professional Rodeo Association had girls like Brittany Pozzi, Jackie Dube, Megan Reichert, Shelly Morgan, Gail Hillman, Stephanie Fryar, to name very very few competed at these amatuers and then the next year on that same horse went to the NFR. So our amatuer horses have to be good enough to compete with that level of competition. So thats not to say that Texas has the fastest horses by no means. I think there are very nice horses from every where I just think Texas has a lot due to demographics ect. I have sold what is a 2-D horse here and it go East and be a 1-D horse and top placer at rodeos.
So to answer your question do I think Texas horse are faster. No. I just think we have a lot more to choose from (because of how big Texas is) and if you want to comepete here you have to step up your game. Texas also has alot of top trainers and past NFR barrel racers that either were from here or retired here. But honestly a great horse can come from anywhere and any state. Just is just my thoughts and opinion. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | So you are judging all Texas horses from one race? And the futurity horses that are winning can go outrun any open or rodeo horse on any given day. |
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| It is Texas RACES that are tough. A horse that places 1D at a big TX race is sometimes respected more in a sales ad. This is because of the competition, from many states, that Texas races attract. Pull up various results from Texas races. You will see names of NFR qualifiers, Futurity champions, and respected trainers. |
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| Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas open horses being outran by colts.
Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite...
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| Itsme, where are you from? As others have said it's not that Texas has faster horses it's just that we have soooo many good horses, riders and trainers in the state. You can not go to the remotest jackpot without some former NFR qualifier or futurity champ/trainer showing up. We never have an easy jackpot anywhere in the state, ANYWHERE! We also have barrel racing year round. |
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Location: In a happy place | Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-17 1:57 PM Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite... Why are you picking at Texas horses ?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas open horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite...
That race is geared for the futurity and derby horses and the open race is limited to 350 entries and is very pricey for a one run shot so most people I know did not enter unless it was in their backyard and could run and leave.
I was born and raised in Illinois and moved here 17 years ago. The difference in competition is we had maybe 10 that could outrun you and 125 entries is huge. Here there are at least 50 that can outrun you and it's easy to have a 500 entry race and have many NFR Texas girls entered and they usually bring more then one horse.
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Location: Heart of Texas | Maybe since it was 5D in Texas, there were a lot of 3D to 5D horses? Just sayin. I did live up north for two years. What I learned was that at a rodeo, since I never went to a barrel race, first was just about as hard to win. I won rodeos in Texas and the midwest on the same horse. After that, it was pretty easy to place. Way less compitition. You could have a so so run there and still place. Not the case down here. |
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:12 PM
Am I missing something?
Are the Texas horses faster than others? What makes it a Texas horse?
I watched some of the D&D open and the ones I seen looked, well, very underwhelming. Just a bunch of 3D caliber horses that were out ran by futurity horses from all over.
Who pi$$ed in your Cheerios? Lol. Nobody Are tough horses all over. There just seems to be more of them in TX. As other have stated most top rodeo and futurity trainers live in TX or OK. And where do you think all of those futurity horses end up? In TX. Most of hose bad a$$ horses in the futurity were from TX. I have lived and ran barels in many states and there are definaty some nice ones elsewhere but like I said earlier. There are just more of them in TX. Take a chill pill! |
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| Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:12 PM
Am I missing something?
Are the Texas horses faster than others? What makes it a Texas horse?
I watched some of the D&D open and the ones I seen looked, well, very underwhelming. Just a bunch of 3D caliber horses that were out ran by futurity horses from all over.
Well lets see....take a look at the top 15 in pro rodeo right now, 8 of those are from texas! All the other spots have no more than one state represented. Hmmm, and why do we think its tougher here? You tell me?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-03-17 2:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-17 1:57 PM Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite... Why are you picking at Texas horses ?Ya thing Stxpg? Lordy.
Its like what the heck is this all about? Texas has some really tough horses just like any other state, we might just have more, cause we're a bigger state.  |
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Location: Oklahoma | Better simmer down now... or they'll sic Chuck Norris on you!!!
I kid, I kid.
But seriously.... I think if you look at where the MAJORITY of the top horses, be it NFR, 4D, or Futurity/Derby, you're gonna see a bunch of Texas people show up on the top of the charts. That's why they use those "tough Texas competition" quotes. If it doesn't lure you in, that's fine... but there is someone who it will work on... and with good reason. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Longneck - 2014-03-17 2:46 PM Better simmer down now... or they'll sic Chuck Norris on you!!!
I kid, I kid.
But seriously.... I think if you look at where the MAJORITY of the top horses, be it NFR, 4D, or Futurity/Derby, you're gonna see a bunch of Texas people show up on the top of the charts. That's why they use those "tough Texas competition" quotes. If it doesn't lure you in, that's fine... but there is someone who it will work on... and with good reason.
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Location: Oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-17 2:58 PM Longneck - 2014-03-17 2:46 PM Better simmer down now... or they'll sic Chuck Norris on you!!!
I kid, I kid.
But seriously.... I think if you look at where the MAJORITY of the top horses, be it NFR, 4D, or Futurity/Derby, you're gonna see a bunch of Texas people show up on the top of the charts. That's why they use those "tough Texas competition" quotes. If it doesn't lure you in, that's fine... but there is someone who it will work on... and with good reason.
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Seriously?
Do your research.
Of course there's bad ass horses everywhere, but I guarantee you better come mounted and have a game plan if you're going to win in the I35 corridor between San Antonio and Oklahoma City
As far as watching D&D, you probably didn't see much of a cross section if you didn't watch the whole thing. Those that can run 1D/2D are a MUCH narrower margin than those who consistently run 3D/4D/5D. Look at the Wrapn3 website for an idea of what I mean.
If you've got a horse that can run 1D 2D here, you're competing against money, talent, and some of the best trainers in the nation (no, really). I guess if you want to come jackpot with Kay Blandford, Brittany Pozzi, Wildchild Jackie Jatzlau, Tammy Fischer, the Skeltons, Liz Pinkston, Mary Donna Smothers, Marlene McCrae, Charmayne James, Andrea Cline, and a whole bunch of others that outrun the toughs all the time and learn just what a Texas horse is, come to San Antonio and they'll for sure teach you!
There's no such thing as 'the only horse in the 1D' here, because somebody else is there that's been to the NFR too. Probably more than you have! Ha ha. What's so special about Texas horses, ha ha ha ha!
I'll tell you....they whipped my little Wyoming butt on my 1/D 2/D horses right into the middle of the 'underwhelming' 3D. Mind you, my good horse had won checks in the 2D at Buckeye weeklies (NOT KNOCKING ARIZONA! I was seriously humbled there too!) I came in stepping pretty tall and had a LONG way to fall! It took me a solid year to make a 2D run here.
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Location: Arizona | I don't think it's the horses that are tough but the girls that are riding them..now those are some tough girls!! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Longneck - 2014-03-17 2:59 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-17 2:58 PM Longneck - 2014-03-17 2:46 PM Better simmer down now... or they'll sic Chuck Norris on you!!!
I kid, I kid.
But seriously.... I think if you look at where the MAJORITY of the top horses, be it NFR, 4D, or Futurity/Derby, you're gonna see a bunch of Texas people show up on the top of the charts. That's why they use those "tough Texas competition" quotes. If it doesn't lure you in, that's fine... but there is someone who it will work on... and with good reason.
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Location: Somewhere between genius and insanity | could be because our local jackpots have fallon taylor, michelle micleod, janet stover, charmayne james, kendra dickson, jolene montgomery, molli montgomery, scamper cole, mary walker, jackie jatzlau, latricia duke, ryann pedone, jordan briggs, jennifer epps, jackie whitcher, just to name a few... And those are just from the results of the past 5 jackpots I have ran at. And those are just the local jackpots with under $5000 added... Central texas is a tough tough bunch of girls. You have got to have a jam up horse to be in the 1d with those ladies. |
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| classicpotatochip - 2014-03-17 3:01 PM
Read this and pretty much got the giggles...
Seriously?
Do your research.
Of course there's bad ass horses everywhere, but I guarantee you better come mounted and have a game plan if you're going to win in the I35 corridor between San Antonio and Oklahoma City
As far as watching D&D, you probably didn't see much of a cross section if you didn't watch the whole thing. Those that can run 1D/2D are a MUCH narrower margin than those who consistently run 3D/4D/5D. Look at the Wrapn3 website for an idea of what I mean.
If you've got a horse that can run 1D 2D here, you're competing against money, talent, and some of the best trainers in the nation (no, really). I guess if you want to come jackpot with Kay Blandford, Brittany Pozzi, Wildchild Jackie Jatzlau, Tammy Fischer, the Skeltons, Liz Pinkston, Mary Donna Smothers, Marlene McCrae, Charmayne James, Andrea Cline, and a whole bunch of others that outrun the toughs all the time and learn just what a Texas horse is, come to San Antonio and they'll for sure teach you!
There's no such thing as 'the only horse in the 1D' here, because somebody else is there that's been to the NFR too. Probably more than you have! Ha ha. What's so special about Texas horses, ha ha ha ha!
I'll tell you....they whipped my little Wyoming butt on my 1/D 2/D horses right into the middle of the 'underwhelming' 3D. Mind you, my good horse had won checks in the 2D at Buckeye weeklies (NOT KNOCKING ARIZONA! I was seriously humbled there too!) I came in stepping pretty tall and had a LONG way to fall! It took me a solid year to make a 2D run here.
What 1Ds did you win in Wyoming? When I read a 1D/2D horse its usually a 2D horse that has hit the 1D every now and then.
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Location: Ft Worth TX | Just saying but Fallon Taylor, Kelly Yates, Kenna Squires, Andrea Cline, Shada Brazile show up at our local week night jackpots from time to time... I'd say the competition is very tough... Idk many other parts of the country that have as many big names show up to a jackpot as we do in north tax area |
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Location: The edge of no where | ItsMe - Exactly where are you from?
Just check the results of the D&D race.
Slot race winner - Texas
Futurity Winner - Texas
2nd and 3rd in the Derby - Texas
If you're so big and bad that Texas competition is a joke, exactly WHAT have you won? Put your big kid panties on and try it on down here....... my $$$$$ says we'll send you packin back to where ever you're from with your tail between your legs!
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| MS2011 - 2014-03-17 8:08 PM
ItsMe - Exactly where are you from?
Just check the results of the D&D race.
Slot race winner - Texas
Futurity Winner - Texas
2nd and 3rd in the Derby - Texas
If you're so big and bad that Texas competition is a joke, exactly WHAT have you won? Put your big kid panties on and try it on down here....... my $$$$$ says we'll send you packin back to where ever you're from with your tail between your legs!
I hope so, it was in texas...
Competition in Texas isnt a joke, its just the same as other places. Last year we ran against all the same people at different races, Fallon,Lockhart,Loflin,Yates,McCleod,Pozzi,Meadors,Conrados...and those ladies didnt always win and the same local girls were still 1D.
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Location: The edge of no where | Itsme - 2014-03-17 8:25 PM MS2011 - 2014-03-17 8:08 PM ItsMe - Exactly where are you from?
Just check the results of the D&D race.
Slot race winner - Texas
Futurity Winner - Texas
2nd and 3rd in the Derby - Texas
If you're so big and bad that Texas competition is a joke, exactly WHAT have you won? Put your big kid panties on and try it on down here....... my $$$$$ says we'll send you packin back to where ever you're from with your tail between your legs! I hope so, it was in texas... Competition in Texas isnt a joke, its just the same as other places. Last year we ran against all the same people at different races, Fallon,Lockhart,Loflin,Yates,McCleod,Pozzi,Meadors,Conrados...and those ladies didnt always win and the same local girls were still 1D.
Nice way to avoid answering my questions..... Where are you from? What have you won?
If you looked at the entries...lots of people paid to haul in from other states and didn't dominate taking all the money home. Check the stats whiteboy gave you.......... |
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| MS2011 - 2014-03-17 8:42 PM
Itsme - 2014-03-17 8:25 PM MS2011 - 2014-03-17 8:08 PM ItsMe - Exactly where are you from?
Just check the results of the D&D race.
Slot race winner - Texas
Futurity Winner - Texas
2nd and 3rd in the Derby - Texas
If you're so big and bad that Texas competition is a joke, exactly WHAT have you won? Put your big kid panties on and try it on down here....... my $$$$$ says we'll send you packin back to where ever you're from with your tail between your legs! I hope so, it was in texas... Competition in Texas isnt a joke, its just the same as other places. Last year we ran against all the same people at different races, Fallon,Lockhart,Loflin,Yates,McCleod,Pozzi,Meadors,Conrados...and those ladies didnt always win and the same local girls were still 1D.
If you looked at the entries...lots of people paid to haul in from other states and didn't dominate taking all the money home. Check the stats whiteboy gave you..........
Why do you care where im from? So you can talk trash and be a cool texan? When my state starts pumping its chest about everything ill call them out too.
Who won the NFR and the American and what state are they from?
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Location: Crowder, OK | OK is the same way as TX.......there are 1d horses everywhere in every state, but you come to OK/TX, you better get ready to outrun a dozen or more compared to just one or two somewhere else....we had a small 1000 added this wkend, 175 horses, 8 places paid in the 1d and less than a tenth of a second from 1st - last money hole!!!!!!!! it was freken wicked tough lil race!!! I had a good run, was just a hair over a tenth over the winning horse and i was 12th in the 1d!!!!!!!! alot of our small jackpots have more horses in the 1d or 2d than all the other Ds......I am not bashing any other states because like alot of others said, there are 1d horses in every state, but you get in OK/TX and there are ALOT more of them! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | F1NoniStephenville - 2014-03-17 1:19 PM
It's the water lol
No it's not... It's the tornadoes... Texas horses have to be able to outrun tornadoes if they want to live very long.. |
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| Tinkerbell - 2014-03-17 9:13 PM
OK is the same way as TX.......there are 1d horses everywhere in every state, but you come to OK/TX, you better get ready to outrun a dozen or more compared to just one or two somewhere else....we had a small 1000 added this wkend, 175 horses, 8 places paid in the 1d and less than a tenth of a second from 1st - last money hole!!!!!!!! it was freken wicked tough lil race!!! I had a good run, was just a hair over a tenth over the winning horse and i was 12th in the 1d!!!!!!!! alot of our small jackpots have more horses in the 1d or 2d than all the other Ds......I am not bashing any other states because like alot of others said, there are 1d horses in every state, but you get in OK/TX and there are ALOT more of them!
This is worded nicely!
I cant really argue with this...
My point is it only takes 1 horse to set a fast 1D time, so to say a horse is 2D in tough texas competition is just absurd. |
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| komet. - 2014-03-17 9:21 PM
F1NoniStephenville - 2014-03-17 1:19 PM
It's the water lol
No it's not... It's the tornadoes... Texas horses have to be able to outrun tornadoes if they want to live very long..
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Location: Texas | It's not that everyone is faster here…LOL.
It's that you go to a local saturday jackpot and you have 150-200 horses entered with ZERO added money.
There's a reason the futurity horses were kicking tail on the open horses- those horses were paid into that race, a very expensive race, MONTHS and MONTHS in advanced. They were prepped by the best trainers, polished for this run for a lot more money than the open was offering…Futurity horses are designed to light it on fire for specific races for one year of their life. They only get one futurity year.. but they get two derby years and as many open and rodeo years as their life allows. They better be GAME ON for a race with as much at stake as diamonds and dirt. They may be "colts" but when they run at those races, they aren't treating them like colts.
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| casualdust07 - 2014-03-17 9:54 PM
It's not that everyone is faster here…LOL.
It's that you go to a local saturday jackpot and you have 150-200 horses entered with ZERO added money.
There's a reason the futurity horses were kicking tail on the open horses- those horses were paid into that race, a very expensive race, MONTHS and MONTHS in advanced. They were prepped by the best trainers, polished for this run for a lot more money than the open was offering…Futurity horses are designed to light it on fire for specific races for one year of their life. They only get one futurity year.. but they get two derby years and as many open and rodeo years as their life allows. They better be GAME ON for a race with as much at stake as diamonds and dirt. They may be "colts" but when they run at those races, they aren't treating them like colts.
Oh yeah, we personally know one of the trainers that ran a fast, fast time there and it took tons of time and dedication to get to that point.
My point again is it doesnt matter how many horses are running or the riders names or states they reside in, it only takes one good horse to set the bar. Shoot, Taylor Jacob put some of the best in the world in the "2D" at the NFR.
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Up here, we have small barrel races... on a weeknight 30 entries. But a true 1D horse may or may not be there because there are just flat out less of them. I think great horses come from all parts of the world but in Texas your chances of showing up at a race without a true 1D horse is more slim. Technically I can say my horse has run in the 1D and could show proof of this... however, it was typically a top of the 2D time in that arena.
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| sophiebelle - 2014-03-17 11:26 PM
Haven't you heard? Everything is bigger in Texas.
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Location: Texas | Texas is tougher because we have barrel racing year round. The ground doesn't freeze and the arenas stay open. And like they say, you are only as good as your competition… and boy do we have some tough competition around here! I live within 50 miles of Taylor Jacob, Tammy Fischer, Jackie Jatzlau… and not too far from Cheyenne Kelly, Kay Blandford, Andrea Cline, Brittany Pozzi, Latricia Duke, Marlene Mcray, Callie Duperior, Charmayne James, Cassie Mowry… and so many others. I am in the middle of Austin, San Antonio, and Houston so if you don't bring your "A" game between February and April, then you might as well stay home, lol. The D&G jackpot in Waco had 490 something entries on Sat and nearly that many on Sunday, I think that there were 12 horses in the 1d each day and lots of really nice 2d runs. But it pays good when you get in there!
I personally love that it is so tough. It makes me a better competitor. Instead of sitting on the sofa eating chips and watching Justified :) I have to record it for later and get my bootie out there and go to work! I've had my butt whipped plenty of times, I have thrown my sucker in the dirt, spent some time pouting, thrown my hands up and threatened to never do this again… Bottom line… I always go back, I always keep trying harder. The competition is what motivates me and keeps me working on MYSELF. If it were easy - I don't think I would feel as passionate about it as I do, and I certainly wouldn't try as hard to get to the top. But that's just me.
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Texas is tougher because we have barrel racing year round. The ground doesn't freeze and the arenas stay open. And like they say, you are only as good as your competition… and boy do we have some tough competition around here! I live within 50 miles of Taylor Jacob, Tammy Fischer, Jackie Jatzlau… and not too far from Cheyenne Kelly, Kay Blandford, Andrea Cline, Brittany Pozzi, Latricia Duke, Marlene Mcray, Callie Duperior, Charmayne James, Cassie Mowry… and so many others. I am in the middle of Austin, San Antonio, and Houston so if you don't bring your "A" game between February and April, then you might as well stay home, lol. The D&G jackpot in Waco had 490 something entries on Sat and nearly that many on Sunday, I think that there were 12 horses in the 1d each day and lots of really nice 2d runs. But it pays good when you get in there!
I personally love that it is so tough. It makes me a better competitor. Instead of sitting on the sofa eating chips and watching Justified :) I have to record it for later and get my bootie out there and go to work! I've had my butt whipped plenty of times, I have thrown my sucker in the dirt, spent some time pouting, thrown my hands up and threatened to never do this again… Bottom line… I always go back, I always keep trying harder. The competition is what motivates me and keeps me working on MYSELF. If it were easy - I don't think I would feel as passionate about it as I do, and I certainly wouldn't try as hard to get to the top. But that's just me.
I personally love that it is so tough. It makes me a better competitor. Instead of sitting on the sofa eating chips and watching Justified :)
I love Justified 
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Location: Texas | Need anyone say more?
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2 Shelly Anzick Livingston, MT $31,035.23 8
3 Lisa Lockhart Oelrichs, SD $29,602.19 11
4 Shelley Morgan Eustace, TX $28,065.27 15
5 Jana Bean Ft Hancock, TX $24,021.83 14
6 Mary Walker (G) Ennis, TX $23,933.02 12
7 Fallon Taylor Whitesboro, TX $22,726.51 21
8 Carlee Pierce Stephenville, TX $22,585.37 9
9 Michele McLeod Whitesboro, TX $18,492.24 13
10 Kenna Squires Fredonia, TX $17,095.22 5
11 Britany Diaz Solen, ND $17,072.91 9
12 Ann Scott Canyon Country, CA $15,938.92 9
13 Cheyenne Kelly Hallettsville, TX $15,358.17 11
14 Trula Churchill Valentine, NE $14,795.77 11
15 Victoria Williams Kiln, MS $14,588.10 22
16 Pamela Capper Cheney, WA $14,397.38 9
17 Christine Laughlin Pueblo, CO $12,744.39 13
18 Taylor Langdon (R) Aubrey, TX $11,158.70 21
19 Kimmie Wall (R) Roosevelt, UT $11,050.89 23
20 Christy Loflin Franktown, CO $11,035.68 9
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What 1Ds did you win in Wyoming? When I read a 1D/2D horse its usually a 2D horse that has hit the 1D every now and then.
Did you win any of the barrel bashes in SD,KS or NE?
Goodness, you just come across the screen like broken glass don't you? I had a 1D horse locally in Wyoming, and 2D regionally. I think, though I wasn't totally clear about that, I did say I had won some 2D checks at Buckeye I had some great runs around the Phoenix area actually (That I was super proud of, he's a self train) I did have him consistently running in the 1D before I left home to come to Texas for work. There are still some really tough ponies there, and some that could/can flat outrun me, especially in the Gillette area! (Fizz Bomb shoutout :)
I never ran him in the areas you asked about, no opportunity and no money! :)
I just broke into my own career six years ago, and it took some time to get some horse power built up, with some soundness bumps and roadblocks in between. Horse power costs money, even for good prospects. My folks did great when I was in high school, I made a great gelding who ran 1D "sometimes", as you say, at places like American West etc. it takes time to learn how to ride better and harder. I'm definitely a work in progress, but proud of myself and my animals.
My friends here in Texas (some of them on the board) have been so very supportive as I strive to learn feeding, vetting, and riding so I can be a tough competitor. I have dumped endless amounts of cash into making this happen for ME. I'd love to friend you on Facebook, so you can watch the countless videos of me and my horses getting it! Just let me know, I'll PM you my info.
I'm sorry that so many people here have ****ed you off by telling you Texas competition is very tough. Nobody here but you has slammed anyone else , except you. You came on for an argument, and you got one, don't be mad when folks tell you you're wrong. Happens to me all the time. They can pump their chest if they want, it's not bragging if you can do it!!!
The bottom line for me is:
Instead of slamming folks, why don't you come beat up on the Texas girls? I'll give you a horse race anytime, and put my money up, just like I do when I run against Scamper Cole, Cassie Mowry, and the insane number of NFR qualifiers that love running barrels just like I do! Come on, Texas is waiting for you. :) |
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Location: Midwest | I would imagine it is pretty tough. It's a numbers perspective, as well as climate, as well as local culture.
I'm in the Midwest. Our bigger races are 100-200 folks. Not only that, but rodeos are not as big out here. Add in that a majority of the bigger money races are very far from this area.
Add in climate... winters are hard on folks trying to train for a living. It is a long down time to go with a lot fewer events to take horses to. A winter like ours this year is brutal.
Barrel racing is just more common there. If you have more people doing something, of course there will be more "good" people.
There are tough teams everywhere.
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| I am just going to add...I think that phrase is said because it doesn't matter the size of the race you pull up to someone tough will be there. Example I ran in the 2d right out of the money at the super show in SA then a month later at a 50 person race practically a "playday"someone shows up and puts me in the 3d. There's a lot of local pros who will show up just to stretch their horses out since they live close and that's everywhere here. To sum it up.. even if your running 2d-3d "local" it can be just as tough as the super shows. |
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"aint no Barbie"
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Location: san antonio texas | Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas open horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite...
What most people fail to understand is that young horse/ futurity horse that is outrunning the open horse has never had injuries and have youth on their side. The open horse has learned to take care of their bodies and will slow down a tad. Especially rodeo horses. Futurity horses have that little extra umph when theyve never experienced pain in an injury. The % of those futurity horses to stay tough and fast decreses as they get older. |
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Itchy Boobs
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| The diamonds and dirt is in TEXAS. alot of horses are super nice but dont travel that far and even when they do its hard when a TX horse travels a few hours vs another state traveling 16++ hours plus the atmosphere is way different. Thats just my opinion |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | Nevertooold - 2014-03-17 2:08 PM Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas open horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite... That race is geared for the futurity and derby horses and the open race is limited to 350 entries and is very pricey for a one run shot so most people I know did not enter unless it was in their backyard and could So run and leave.
I was born and raised in Illinois and moved here 17 years ago. The difference in competition is we had maybe 10 that could outrun you and 125 entries is huge. Here there are at least 50 that can outrun you and it's easy to have a 500 entry race and have many NFR Texas girls entered and they usually bring more then one horse.
So true NTO... I went last year - will not go back since I'm not a futurity/derby person. Schiller's put a lot into this race, but they really cater to those F/D people, since they limit the open entries and put a ink stamp "O" on the Open horses only.
I've been to several large races over the years... always say why do I spend that kind of money when I could stay closer to home and save at least the fuel and still win some money, maybe. |
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| Well said - you defended yourself in a nice professional manner !! Kudos to you |
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Location: Wyoming | Texas is tough, its not that the horses are faster it that there is a higher percentage of 1D horses than any other state. There's fast horses everywhere though!!! |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas |
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| We all still want to know where It'sme is from.
You came on here with a bone to pick now let us know from what state you reside.
I'll start-I'm from Texas
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kramerica - 2014-03-18 1:45 PM We all still want to know where It'sme is from.
You came on here with a bone to pick now let us know from what state you reside.
I'll start-I'm from Texas
Now you, It'sme.
I always thought he/she were Texan. I am and so proud of it. Born and raise here
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| At any given show I race against: Adam Roper and his string of national level 1Ders, Paige Sprinkle and Leo, Kathy Ramsay (who has run fastest time against Adam at 3 or 4 big events), Reed Dale and Levi, Ducky Keller and any one of his finished horses, or any of the plethora of his previously trained horses that the owner puts him back up on, and that's just Virginia, and just the names off the top of my head. There's also the great riders and horses from NC, MD, WV, PA, and DE that show up regularly. Our 1st division here in VA and mid-Atlantic area is bigger than it should be on the bell scale. Bell says there should be what, 5-8 1D runs out of 100? I can't remember the math exactly, but I know out of any 100 runs at Appomattox there will be 15-20 1D runs, with another 25 or so in the 2D.
We had a gal from Texas come to VA a few years ago expecting to clean our tushes. She (said she) ran 1/2D against all the big names in TX weekly. She has been a solid 3Der out here.
I have run in 2 Topeka Barrel Bashes. The first one was against Hot Shot and the Boy finished 4th in the 4D (5D format). That is just where he finished in VA - in the dang hole. My second trip out there was no Hot Shot, but it was good competition. Zan ran in the 3D, Xena in the 2D, same as out here.
I don't discount the toughness of competition anywhere. My horses might wilt in Texas summer, even at midnight! But it's not a given that Texas horses will come to VA (or anywhere on the east coast) and dominate. |
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| kramerica - 2014-03-18 1:45 PM We all still want to know where It'sme is from.
You came on here with a bone to pick now let us know from what state you reside.
I'll start-I'm from Texas
Now you, It'sme.
Oh It'sme....your turn |
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Location: Pilot Point, TX | To me, when I see "in tough Texas/Oklahoma competition," I get that the person is saying this horse is currently a solid/TRUE 1D/2D/3D/4D horse. Even at the smaller jackpots, you're going to have at least that one big time horse/rider show up and can use it as a gauge for where that horse is truly running.
So, to me, if the horse is truly running in the 2D in "tough Texas competition," I know that that horse should be able to run in the 2D just about anywhere. It's not just that the horse went out and ran a 2D time in a small local jackpot with maybe 20 entries. |
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I Am Always Right
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | Itsme - 2014-03-17 11:48 PM sophiebelle - 2014-03-17 11:26 PM Haven't you heard? Everything is bigger in Texas. The number of illegal immigrants is HUGE!!
Ha-ha!!!Very true. We aim high in winning at all costs. |
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Lickable I mean Likeable
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Location: De Berry, Tx | I think the term 2D in Texas Tough Competition is because it ran against true 1D horses not just a local jackpot somewhere else. You can go to a no name no money added and run against a true 1D horse here. You don't get lucky and win a "local" race. In other words if they are advertising a 2d in Texas tough Competition it means you can haul to any big show and it will be 2d, haul to some local stuff somewhere else and maybe 1d. Jmo A 2d horse here is still pretty dang tough. |
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Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-18 1:59 PM kramerica - 2014-03-18 1:45 PM We all still want to know where It'sme is from.
You came on here with a bone to pick now let us know from what state you reside.
I'll start-I'm from Texas
Now you, It'sme.
Way too tough down here for 'It' to survive.....
'It" is awesome at running down others, but doesn't seem to have any credentials to post about.. Nor does "It" want to disclose where "It" lives. My money is beginning to be on someone that can't hit the 5D on a fan-tab-u-lous day! |
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| I want to go to Texas I would love to get a chance to run with the big dogs. We have some double tough horses up here who would probably run 1D anywhere but not nearly as many. I don't mind getting beat that is how you see how you measure up. I have horses to prove and people will think a lot more of them if they can run in Texas. Maybe I can finally get out of the snow country and come play in the winter. |
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Not Afraid to Work
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| I'm from Minnesota... but facebook test says I belong in Texas! 
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 Roan On The Range
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Location: Stephenville, TX | "It" is just jealous becasue it doesn't live in Texas, but wishes it did.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | MS2011 - 2014-03-18 7:53 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-18 1:59 PM kramerica - 2014-03-18 1:45 PM We all still want to know where It'sme is from.
You came on here with a bone to pick now let us know from what state you reside.
I'll start-I'm from Texas
Now you, It'sme.
'It" is awesome at running down others, but doesn't seem to have any credentials to post about.. Nor does "It" want to disclose where "It" lives. My money is beginning to be on someone that can't hit the 5D on a fan-tab-u-lous day!
I see that you got a dislike on this post so It dont like to be pointed out, It got It's feelings hurt, lol |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Running Roan - 2014-03-18 11:16 PM "It" is just jealous becasue it doesn't live in Texas, but wishes it did.
Ha ha ha ha ha you got a dislike too, now thats funny, I'll be getting some dislikes to... |
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Roan On The Range
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Location: Stephenville, TX | Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-18 11:31 PM Running Roan - 2014-03-18 11:16 PM "It" is just jealous becasue it doesn't live in Texas, but wishes it did.
The dislike was probably from a non-Texan |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | carlos - 2014-03-18 9:12 AM
Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas open horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite...
What most people fail to understand is that young horse/ futurity horse that is outrunning the open horse has never had injuries and have youth on their side. The open horse has learned to take care of their bodies and will slow down a tad. Especially rodeo horses. Futurity horses have that little extra umph when theyve never experienced pain in an injury. The % of those futurity horses to stay tough and fast decreses as they get older.
Older horses and older women...more experience and more caution...gotta love the similarities. lol! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | hopin4$ - 2014-03-19 3:54 AM
carlos - 2014-03-18 9:12 AM
Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas open horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite...
What most people fail to understand is that young horse/ futurity horse that is outrunning the open horse has never had injuries and have youth on their side. The open horse has learned to take care of their bodies and will slow down a tad. Especially rodeo horses. Futurity horses have that little extra umph when theyve never experienced pain in an injury. The % of those futurity horses to stay tough and fast decreses as they get older.
Older horses and older women...more experience and more caution...gotta love the similarities. lol!
WAIT!! I thought that was younger women and older whiskey.... Now I'm all confuzzled.. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | komet. - 2014-03-19 4:41 AM
hopin4$ - 2014-03-19 3:54 AM
carlos - 2014-03-18 9:12 AM
Itsme - 2014-03-17 1:56 PM Where were they at D&D this weekend? All these crazy fast Texas open horses being outran by colts. Im seeing a lot of bark and not much bite...
What most people fail to understand is that young horse/ futurity horse that is outrunning the open horse has never had injuries and have youth on their side. The open horse has learned to take care of their bodies and will slow down a tad. Especially rodeo horses. Futurity horses have that little extra umph when theyve never experienced pain in an injury. The % of those futurity horses to stay tough and fast decreses as they get older.
Older horses and older women...more experience and more caution...gotta love the similarities. lol!
WAIT!! I thought that was younger women and older whiskey.... Now I'm all confuzzled..
lol! Good song, but don't sell us short, Komet. Older women on fast horses can and do still make some hearts go pitter patter in a good way! |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | Two observations I will make on this post:
1-I think there is tough competition everywhere in the US, not just Texas. And I would be real curious to see some of the 1D riders out here in Texas go up against some of the best in other parts of the country and vice versa. For instance, outside of rodeo, there are a LOT if not most of the arenas in California are large outdoor pens. Most pens here in Texas are small, indoor pens. A case could get made that horses grow accustomed to certain types of pens. Not saying a 1D horse can't be a 1D horse everywhere but circumstances could be different.
Next, the thing that I think differentiates the competition here is the sheer number of people that enter. As one poster says, you may have 1D riders in your area but how many times do you see 15 girls in the 1D consistently, and more in the 2D? Yes, there are still a lot of 3D+ people (me currently being in that category) but the sheer amount of solid, fast horses in the barrel world here in Texas that come out consistently all year round I don't think is really matched anywhere else.
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| I am from NY, I know gasp lol . Was visiting family in Texas and went to the D&D open Sunday to watch!I l First off, I must say what a beautiful facility and well run show and lots of great horses and riders! My take is that there are fast horses all over this country! I wasn't sure how I would place if moving down here but I felt more confident and realistic that I may not be in the 1d but I know I can place in the 2 and 3d down here! Texas horses are faster I feel because they are kept in shape due to better weather being kept in shape year round and have more jobs more than just being a barrel horse. Your also competing against well known tough accomplished riders and horses! I really loved Texas and to be honest, quite jealous lol |
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Location: Way up North | Great horses come from all over! You do have to admit, considering the fact a lot of northern horses stand in a snow bank in 40 below weather for half the year, most don't have indoors to ride in, we have to haul twice as far to get to any race and we get half as many of them; the northerners still manage to turn out some nice horses. No we don't have the number of NFR competitors TX does but there are also a lot more rodeos down there for people to compete at and qualify. It has to be tough for people to haul 1200 miles one way to rodeo all winter down there especially until they get established. Either way kudos to the BA TX ponies and kudos to the BA ponies in all the other states that can hang with anyone! |
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| You hens still cluckin bout this?
Its easy, your super hero 1D/NFR girls run +0r- a tenth here just like they do down in texas, which means the Ds are the same. PERIOD.
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Location: Stephenville, TX | Itsme - 2014-03-20 9:44 PM You hens still cluckin bout this? Its easy, your super hero 1D/NFR girls run +0r- a tenth here just like they do down in texas, which means the Ds are the same. PERIOD. Oh yeah, no vote down from me.
This is how you feel, but you still started this thread? Well, bless your heart...
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Location: Central TX | Had a teenage girl come down from Montana to spend a few months riding horses for me/ taking her to rodeos. She bought her horse out of Idaho, paid 60k for it. won everything up in id/mt/wy and came down here and was 2d and sometimes 3d'd....proofs in the pudding. yes theres good horses EVERYWHERE. but because so many pro girls live down here, the competition is more tough. It would be the same if every pro girl for example lived in i dont know...nevada or something...all of the tough competition would be in nevada. I don't see why y'all r getting your panties in a wad. |
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 Lone Wolf in my pack of One
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Location: North Texas | I've looked into this pretty extensively actually. And it is not that Texas horses are better or faster its that there are more fast horses at a single race. Pull up WPRA rodeo results... Last year at Big Springs a 16.87 won the rodeo and 13th place was a 17.0...5At a rodeo up north first place was a 15.7 and 10th was a 16.5. There is far less room for err in a Texas or even Southern jackpot because the sheer quantity of nice horses far exceeds that of up north. Its not that a northern horse isn't competitive with a southern horse, but rather there are more nice horses to complete against. Its a quantity issue not a quality issue. |
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Lone Wolf in my pack of One
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Location: North Texas | I'm on my phone so excuse the typos, but thought I would also add....its not always the horse that is the issue. When a rider take months off from riding they lose just as much of an edge as their mount. I'm able to ride year round without much hassle because cold here is still bearable riding westher,where a Yankee isn't gonna have the same opportunity due to weather misfortune |
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