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Location: Where I am happiest | Tell me what you think. Do you think a producer should run at their own series races and run for awards? Tell me what you think. Do you feel it's right if they put on a award series, like maybe saddles they should nominate their own horses for the awards? |
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Location: In my own little world | I don't see it as a problem. Everyone is running against a clock. Clocks don't lie. |
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Location: Kansas | As long as every thing seems honest, I have no problem
What if NBHA did not allow district directors/officers to run at their jackpots. We would have nothing to go to. All are year end awards and some are a saddle series.
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | It's totally fine. Just as long as they are paying ALL the same fees/nominations as everybody else. It's just another drop in the pot as far as I'm concerned. |
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 Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | I agree with everyone else...if they are paying the same fees and it is all on the up and up it wouldn't bother me. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Why not they need to have fun too, to me thats why they are producers so they will have a good place to go run barrels  |
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Location: Ky | When I used to produce shows or classes at shows I would have preferred to have not competed in them but I was producing them so we would have a place to show. So had I not compteted then I wouldn't have put it on.
Which is worse? The producer competing or not having a place to go?
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | why would you think they should NOT run in the race? |
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 Shelter Dog Hero
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Location: Mississippi | I produce a saddle series and I give some very nice awards. I sometimes enter a young horse to season them but I do it as a non-member so I do not get any points if I place. I feel kind of strange about running for my own awards so I do not. I do keep the money if my colt should happen to place in one of the divisions. As far as NBHA directors running, go for it. I see no problem with that at all. |
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| For some of the producers, they put on A LOT of shows. They wouldn't have time to barrel race if they didn't run at their own shows.
I think it's fine. I do think they manipulate the draw so they run towards the beginning or the end. I think that is OK too. Makes it quite a bit easier for them to run things. Especially at the 200+ barrel races. |
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 More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | CrossCreek - 2014-03-18 11:04 PM why would you think they should NOT run in the race?
That's what I would like to know. I produce jackpots and I'll be dipped if someone tells me I can't run at my own jackpots. I do it so I have a place close by to run at instead of traveling 75-100 miles which is very typical around here. |
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Location: North Dakota | The whole reason I produce jackpots is to have a place to run locally. No one else wanted to do it so I took it on. I also run for points and awards just like anybody else. I just happen to be the one doing the computer work and placing the orders that doesn't give me an edge in the least. In fact producers have it more difficult because unless they have a ton of help they get very little warm-up and cool-down time. I have a few really good helpers and I try my best to get my ponies warmed up well before people start showing up so then when I can get on the drag before me their muscles aren't quite as cold. I post everything on facebook immediately so there is nothing hidden. Everyone can keep track of points themselves and compare them to mine if they want. I do not take the money I win though. I keep that in the pot for awards. I have yet to win a buckle because I usually don't get to run at each of the runs because sometimes it just becomes too busy and I don't have enough help so I decide to just not enter. But like I said if I didn't do it I don't know who else would. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | As long as they aren't always first on the ground (yes I did see this many years ago and people stopped going to her shows due to this, and other issues...) I have no issue with it.
Most producers put in a lot of work and make very little money on these shows. It really is a labor of love, especially at the local stuff. They should be able to run and win just like everyone else. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I am going to flip the coin. We produced team pennings and sortings for two years at our home arena....yes, we competed but we did NOT run for the points. We would have won the saddle but we saw it as an opportunity to promote the sport, and take any "questions" out of the equation as to fairness. I have been to many events where the draw, drags, pens of cattle (team penning), etc. has been manipulated......not fair to everyone! |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events. |
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 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | I'm just happy to have a place to go....as long as everything seems on the up & up, doesn't bother me a bit! Why shouldn't they (if they outrun everyone else) have a reward for some of their work putting on a show? They're the one that has to pay out of pocket and try to get something nice that people want.
I also FIRMLY believe that most of the bi@tching about how races are run would stop if everyone had to produce a race, it's a lot tougher than most people think. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | CYA Ranch - 2014-03-19 9:27 AM
There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events.
In reference to my statement prior.... I went to one show. Every run she made, she was first on the drags... I heard the same was every show, so I just did not return.
I have since (in all my years showing barrels or other disciplines) never seen anything like that again. I value the hard work producers put in. I've been on that end as a helper, and there is a lot on their plates with oftentimes more complainers than folks willing to step up. I appreciate their efforts. Greatly.
Not sure why it quoted CYA, I am not computering well today LOL
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Location: Kansas and loving it | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 9:32 AM
CYA Ranch - 2014-03-19 9:27 AM
There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events.
In reference to my statement prior.... I went to one show. Every run she made, she was first on the drags... I heard the same was every show, so I just did not return.
I have since (in all my years showing barrels or other disciplines ) never seen anything like that again. I value the hard work producers put in. I've been on that end as a helper, and there is a lot on their plates with oftentimes more complainers than folks willing to step up. I appreciate their efforts. Greatly.
Not sure why it quoted CYA, I am not computering well today LOL
I don't have a problem with the producer being first in the drag. I can't tell you how many times people want their checks ASAP aafter the open is finished. The office gets clogged up with people wanting to know where they placed, what their points are, who won what, checks for a friend, when will it all be posted, what time won the whole thing. Running first allows producers to run then get to the office so all those questions can behhandled and checks written so barrel racers can get on their way. |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I always try to put myself bottom of the drag or close to it. There is a local association that I've gone to that the producer and her BFF's always seem to be on top of the ground and trust me....a lot of people notice it which is why their numbers are down. |
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Location: In a happy place | Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-18 10:36 PM Why not they need to have fun too, to me thats why they are producers so they will have a good place to go run barrels
I agree. |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | CrossCreek - 2014-03-18 11:04 PM why would you think they should NOT run in the race?
Who said I dont think they should? In fact, I DO think they should. The reason I ask is there is a producer who puts on quite a few races. She started putting on races because there werent any within a 3 hr drive. She works hard, does multiple assoc. approvals on her races and gives out great awards that she puts alot of thought into. She is this year putting up 4 saddles in her summer series. One for each D. She runs her horse at her races, but she never nominates for the awards. I told her she should. She works hard to bring the races to the area and I personally see no reason why she shouldnt nominate her horse also. She has to run just like everybody else. I just dont think she should penalize herself for doing all the work and keep herself exempt. She said she would like to nominate her horse, but also feels funny about it if she should happen to win any awards. Sooooooooooo, thats why I am asking what you all thought. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | rockette - 2014-03-19 10:37 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 9:32 AM
CYA Ranch - 2014-03-19 9:27 AM
There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events.
In reference to my statement prior.... I went to one show. Every run she made, she was first on the drags... I heard the same was every show, so I just did not return.
I have since (in all my years showing barrels or other disciplines ) never seen anything like that again. I value the hard work producers put in. I've been on that end as a helper, and there is a lot on their plates with oftentimes more complainers than folks willing to step up. I appreciate their efforts. Greatly.
Not sure why it quoted CYA, I am not computering well today LOL
I don't have a problem with the producer being first in the drag. I can't tell you how many times people want their checks ASAP aafter the open is finished. The office gets clogged up with people wanting to know where they placed, what their points are, who won what, checks for a friend, when will it all be posted, what time won the whole thing. Running first allows producers to run then get to the office so all those questions can behhandled and checks written so barrel racers can get on their way.
They were not early in the class, but always first in the drag
Should have clarified. I understand why they'd need to go early due to what you stated |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 11:00 AM
rockette - 2014-03-19 10:37 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 9:32 AM
CYA Ranch - 2014-03-19 9:27 AM
There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events.
In reference to my statement prior.... I went to one show. Every run she made, she was first on the drags... I heard the same was every show, so I just did not return.
I have since (in all my years showing barrels or other disciplines ) never seen anything like that again. I value the hard work producers put in. I've been on that end as a helper, and there is a lot on their plates with oftentimes more complainers than folks willing to step up. I appreciate their efforts. Greatly.
Not sure why it quoted CYA, I am not computering well today LOL
I don't have a problem with the producer being first in the drag. I can't tell you how many times people want their checks ASAP aafter the open is finished. The office gets clogged up with people wanting to know where they placed, what their points are, who won what, checks for a friend, when will it all be posted, what time won the whole thing. Running first allows producers to run then get to the office so all those questions can behhandled and checks written so barrel racers can get on their way.
They were not early in the class, but always first in the drag
Should have clarified. I understand why they'd need to go early due to what you stated
I am not getting on you. I understand the frustration when things seem hinky. I helped at a barrel race once where she set the% payouts after the open. Some were miffed andtthought the producer was waiting to see where they placed before setting up the percentage on the payouts. I agree and didn't help that particular producer after my commitment was over. The percentage of payout is always the same, whether you are doing 10 or 20 % payback is set. I have also seen a producer make sure their 3 horses were run how they wanted and changed the computer draw. Most of the time it's all good. |
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| As a producer, NBHA director, and competitor, I think that I have the right to run in barrel races where I am the promoter. If I couldn't run then dang if I'd work my tail off putting on the show. Because, as other promoters can vouch, you DON'T make as much money as others think you do (at small 50-150 entry jackpots anyways). As far as drawing up top of the ground all the time...its the luck of the draw, just like it is for everyone else. I will say that if I draw up 1st in the drag multiple times at a show, I will more than likely move myself down in the drag, which is just as much cheating as is putting yourself 1st every time (but who's gonna complain about moving yourself down?!). At most of our races we have a visible timer board, so there is no question as to what I run nor what anyone else runs. All of the results, points, and money are posted on our website so everyone can view. There are no questions as to how I placed or got points or how I won an award...the proof is in the pudding!!
The shows that I put on are run as fairly as possible...as a producer that's the only thing you can do to ensure your shows are reputable. As for those who have constant complaints, this is the way I look at it: the road that brought you to that show will also take you home...bye!! |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-03-19 10:44 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-18 10:36 PM Why not they need to have fun too, to me thats why they are producers so they will have a good place to go run barrels
Renee that puts on the Wrapn3 runs at her own barrel races, and I dont see any harm in that, shes a truely honest lady and enjoys what she does. In fact I think its great to have the producers running at their own show, they make sure that everything is just right |
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Location: My Own Little World | As a producer, I am in full agreement that a producer should be able to run in their own event. Now, people are people and you will find producers you don't like for whatever reason. And all that being said, I don't typicly run in my own events because I am VERY OCD about the way my races are run and I get too nervous being away from my little perch :) |
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| As a new director for NBHA I would NOT of taken the position if I didn't run at the shows I coordinate or "produce."
What fun would it really be to be the director?
The purpose was so that we could get consistent shows in our area for everyone to go to INCLUDING me. |
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Location: Qld Australia | rockette - 2014-03-20 1:37 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 9:32 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-03-19 9:27 AM There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events. In reference to my statement prior.... I went to one show. Every run she made, she was first on the drags... I heard the same was every show, so I just did not return. I have since (in all my years showing barrels or other disciplines ) never seen anything like that again. I value the hard work producers put in. I've been on that end as a helper, and there is a lot on their plates with oftentimes more complainers than folks willing to step up. I appreciate their efforts. Greatly. Not sure why it quoted CYA, I am not computering well today LOL I don't have a problem with the producer being first in the drag. I can't tell you how many times people want their checks ASAP aafter the open is finished. The office gets clogged up with people wanting to know where they placed, what their points are, who won what, checks for a friend, when will it all be posted, what time won the whole thing. Running first allows producers to run then get to the office so all those questions can behhandled and checks written so barrel racers can get on their way.
You took the words right out of my mouth (so to speak).
The amount of work they put into these series, give em a break!! |
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Producers running in their own series?