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Location: where the wind blows | Sorry I'm sure this has been discussed to death. Starting to think my new barrel prospect might have ulcers. Just a hunch. Hard to get weight on, picky eater, wired on high all the time. I looked into gastroguard. Holy cow. Expensive. What are some other alternatives to testing if this is the culprit. I've heard something about giving human ant acids. Has anyone used the opOxy-Gen products like the one for ulcers (top dressing) and the jail break
looking for any and all info. I've got a good gap friend I ride with that's a vet so plan on talking to her about this tomorrow. It just occurred to me tonight that maybe ulcers are the problem.
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The Advice Guru
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| Ulcer cure OTC is what I use, I have had good results with if. Douglas Gordan sells it on BHW and I believe he is still a paid advertiser. |
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Location: Its Freaking Freezing Up Here... | You can get ompeprazle from the vets which is a cheaper version of gastroguard. I have mine shipped from a vet by Edmonton, costs $150 and lasts 25 days. I could tell by day 8 it was working. |
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Ima Non Controversial Girl
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Location: where the wind blows | LilTyke - 2014-03-19 7:56 PM You can get ompeprazle from the vets which is a cheaper version of gastroguard. I have mine shipped from a vet by Edmonton, costs $150 and lasts 25 days. I could tell by day 8 it was working.
I'm in Canada so sometimes getting drugs from the u.s. is tricky or not possible. Liltyke did you get your horse scoped first to be due you had ulcers or did you just treat. Do you need a prescription so to speak for this product? Or will the vet send without seeing horse? That's a much more realistic price. |
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| LilTyke - 2014-03-19 8:56 PM
You can get ompeprazle from the vets which is a cheaper version of gastroguard. I have mine shipped from a vet by Edmonton, costs $150 and lasts 25 days. I could tell by day 8 it was working.
Are you talking about the compounded stuff from Briggs? If so how are your horses taking it, as mine hated it, it has a very bitter taste. Also I was reading an article last year that stated if the buffered omeprazole turned brown it was no longer stable. Mine also turned brown. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I use Oxy-Ulcer. It is much cheaper and you don't have to give it for a month. It's $250 for a 15 day supply. Ulcers will be GONE! My horse had severe ulcers and within a few days he was back to himself. |
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Location: Central Texas | I recently used THE GastroPLUS. I have to say that I was amazed at the difference in my mare. It works! It was $165 for a 16 day supply. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | jkrm - 2014-03-19 9:06 PM LilTyke - 2014-03-19 7:56 PM You can get ompeprazle from the vets which is a cheaper version of gastroguard. I have mine shipped from a vet by Edmonton, costs $150 and lasts 25 days. I could tell by day 8 it was working. I'm in Canada so sometimes getting drugs from the u.s. is tricky or not possible. Liltyke did you get your horse scoped first to be due you had ulcers or did you just treat. Do you need a prescription so to speak for this product? Or will the vet send without seeing horse? That's a much more realistic price.
I send it to Canada all the time for customers. UlcerCure OTC
I guarantee it will cure ulcers but not behavorial problems. |
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Location: Its Freaking Freezing Up Here... | Nope, I didnt have her scoped. Cheaper to just treat her then scope and then treat. He didnt see the horse, I just called and asked and they shipped it. Very easy. And yes, it was from Briggs. I just give 20cc a day In her mouth. So I guess I didn't really give her a choice Cheryl? It worked though. |
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| LilTyke - 2014-03-20 10:48 AM
Nope, I didnt have her scoped. Cheaper to just treat her then scope and then treat. He didnt see the horse, I just called and asked and they shipped it. Very easy. And yes, it was from Briggs. I just give 20cc a day In her mouth. So I guess I didn't really give her a choice Cheryl? It worked though.
I gave it via mouth, and the two horses I had on it started fighting me when I gave it, and they were and still are very easy to worm. Glad it worked for you. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-03-20 8:33 AM
jkrm - 2014-03-19 9:06 PM LilTyke - 2014-03-19 7:56 PM You can get ompeprazle from the vets which is a cheaper version of gastroguard. I have mine shipped from a vet by Edmonton, costs $150 and lasts 25 days. I could tell by day 8 it was working. I'm in Canada so sometimes getting drugs from the u.s. is tricky or not possible. Liltyke did you get your horse scoped first to be due you had ulcers or did you just treat. Do you need a prescription so to speak for this product? Or will the vet send without seeing horse? That's a much more realistic price.
I guarantee it will cure ulcers but not behavorial problems.
Would it be possible for you to get licensed to sell in Canada, I know you would have to jump through the hoops, but do you have enough business from us Canadians to do it. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | THE GastroPlus works the best! Was amazed and impressed with how quickly it fixed my horse. I'm sure Krystal could get you a good deal. |
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Location: Hernando, Ms | Are you still using GastroPlus? Do you feed one bag or do you keep giving it to?
Does it heal the ulcer?
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-20 11:43 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-03-20 8:33 AM jkrm - 2014-03-19 9:06 PM LilTyke - 2014-03-19 7:56 PM You can get ompeprazle from the vets which is a cheaper version of gastroguard. I have mine shipped from a vet by Edmonton, costs $150 and lasts 25 days. I could tell by day 8 it was working. I'm in Canada so sometimes getting drugs from the u.s. is tricky or not possible. Liltyke did you get your horse scoped first to be due you had ulcers or did you just treat. Do you need a prescription so to speak for this product? Or will the vet send without seeing horse? That's a much more realistic price.
I guarantee it will cure ulcers but not behavorial problems. Would it be possible for you to get licensed to sell in Canada, I know you would have to jump through the hoops, but do you have enough business from us Canadians to do it.
No not enough business in Canada so i will just ship as ordered. Cost to jump through the hoops would be close to a $1,000,000. |
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Location: MD | So I have a question, sorry if I de-rail OP. If you suspect ulcers, do you have to have it diagnosed and proven? Or is it safe enough to treat without having to have them scoped?
I don't believe I have an ulcer issue and I'm sure I did before and never really knew anything about them to understand it was fixable. I was curious if the issue ever came up again. |
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| Several years ago I had a horse that was showing signs of ulcers. I treated him with GastroPlus from THE and saw results almost immediately. I didn't treat per the instructions, but it seems like I treated once daily for a couple of weeks, and then when hauling long distances and prior to a run. If I have one that I think has got an ulcer problem I just go ahead and put them on the GastroPlus.
I currently have one that was getting stressed out when being hauled, and he had very loose manure. I've started him on a low dose of daily omeprazole, certainly not enough to be considered a treatment dose, but it is enough to keep his stomach feeling good.
I think that you definitely need to figure out the cause of the ulcers. If he's just a high stress horse or if it is pain related. The horse I treated with GastroPlus had pain issues that once treated seemed to put an end to the ulcer problem. I think that the horse I'm hauling right now has both a pain issue as well as a high stress personality. We've taken care of the pain issue, and now with that little bit of omeprazole he is a completely different horse, both at home and when being hauled. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Crowned Image - 2014-04-11 9:00 AM So I have a question, sorry if I de-rail OP. If you suspect ulcers, do you have to have it diagnosed and proven? Or is it safe enough to treat without having to have them scoped? I don't believe I have an ulcer issue and I'm sure I did before and never really knew anything about them to understand it was fixable. I was curious if the issue ever came up again.
You can treat your horse for a month with no adverse affects. Then you could also put your horse on a maintenance program. |
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Location: MD | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-11 9:10 AM
Crowned Image - 2014-04-11 9:00 AM So I have a question, sorry if I de-rail OP. If you suspect ulcers, do you have to have it diagnosed and proven? Or is it safe enough to treat without having to have them scoped? I don't believe I have an ulcer issue and I'm sure I did before and never really knew anything about them to understand it was fixable. I was curious if the issue ever came up again.
You can treat your horse for a month with no adverse affects. Then you could also put your horse on a maintenance program.
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Location: London Ontario | APPLE CIDER VINEGAR!!!! Seriosuly, get the stuff with "mother" in it, it is the active yeast. Its will help coat the gut and starve the ulcers. I put a little in my mare water and feed each day, It will also reduce inflammation, reduce bug bites, and you can dilute it in water and spray it on any fungas. it also improves coats, arthritis inflammation relief, aids digestion/rids some toxins, excellent ingredient in natural fly spray, Topically it helps take the itch out of bug bites
This is what I get http://www.evolutionorganics.co.uk/app/images/products/large/apple%...
I will get that jug with the Mother in it(6.29 from the natural section at Loblaws here in Ontario) then a bunch of the smaller cheap jars with out the Mother(1.29 at the same store) then i mix some of the Mother in with the cheap stuff and store in a cool dry place.
Here is a great article on ACV http://www.equinewellnessmagazine.com/articles/all-about-cider-vine...
I have also heard of Aloe Juice, you can get it at Greenhawk(I am in CAN too) or in the herbal section at Walmart. Can find or order it at most drug stores.You need to get the pure stuff, not the drinking juice type in the food aisles. It should be bitter. I found the best price is at GNC. I got a membership card and it gives me $5 off every gallon, which adds up savings fast. I think a gallon cost $23 and last about a month for 1 horse.
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| LilTyke - 2014-03-20 9:48 AM Nope, I didnt have her scoped. Cheaper to just treat her then scope and then treat. He didnt see the horse, I just called and asked and they shipped it. Very easy. And yes, it was from Briggs. I just give 20cc a day In her mouth. So I guess I didn't really give her a choice Cheryl? It worked though.
Agree, I did the same. If you have been treating with no signs of improvement then I would suggest a scope. But if they respond to treatment that is farily diagnostic in itself. I also used the compounded omeprazole.
Did one bottle then add ACV to her feed just to maintain. No issues!
Cheryl mine really didn't mind the compounded stuff....not sure where Charles gets his from but mine is from Summit vet. jkrm it will depend on where your vet gets their compounded drugs from. |
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| Do you recommend continued maintenance after the initial treatment?
Ps. Sorry to just jump in on this, had a couple bad rides on a seasoned mare, and am exploring the possibility of ulcers before calling the vet... |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | stepstepsnap - 2014-04-13 6:05 PM Do you recommend continued maintenance after the initial treatment? Ps. Sorry to just jump in on this, had a couple bad rides on a seasoned mare, and am exploring the possibility of ulcers before calling the vet...
Yes I suggest a maintenance program after treating for ulcers; however, not all horses need a maintenance program. Each horse owner knows their horse better than any one so it is best left up to the horse owner. Some horses are just prone to ulcers.
A maintenance program after treating for ulcers helps the horse get a good start on a healthy stomach!
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Location: Foot of the Smoky Mtns, East Tennessee | What are the typical signs of Ulcers? What were your horses doing that made you think they had ulcers? Vet asked me if it was possible my horse could have them. |
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| They will be cinchy, usually eat their hay first, hard keeper, attitude changes. Performance changes. This is just a few.
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| I second the Gastroplus but I don't pay $165 for 2 weeks... I pay less than that... Get a hold of Krystal, it's soooo worth it. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Yep, GastroPLUS is amazing. I can hook you up and I have shipped to Canada very successfully. I usually use a padded flat rate envelope for around $20 to Canada. |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | email me at omeprazoleresearch@gmail.com
Because it is an OTC supplement it can't have claims according to the FDA.
You do your own research and feel good about the success!
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Location: Foot of the Smoky Mtns, East Tennessee | My horse is Cinchy, Grumpy, not running like I know he can, dips his hay in water, laying down more and when the weather changed this past week he went off his feed and has stopped drinking water like he was (full bucket at night to almost none at all). Called the vet out thinking he might have an impaction and that's what we treated him for but she asked if he could have ulcers. She gave me enough GastroGard for 12 days to see if it helped. This was just on Friday but he's acting better but still isn't drinking like he was. I figure I'm dealing with Ulcers now. Should the 12 days of GastroGard "treat" them and then I just try to maintain them or should I get some more and treat for a whole month? |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | NeedMoreSpeed - 2014-11-16 8:43 AM My horse is Cinchy, Grumpy, not running like I know he can, dips his hay in water, laying down more and when the weather changed this past week he went off his feed and has stopped drinking water like he was (full bucket at night to almost none at all). Called the vet out thinking he might have an impaction and that's what we treated him for but she asked if he could have ulcers. She gave me enough GastroGard for 12 days to see if it helped. This was just on Friday but he's acting better but still isn't drinking like he was. I figure I'm dealing with Ulcers now. Should the 12 days of GastroGard "treat" them and then I just try to maintain them or should I get some more and treat for a whole month?
No, Needs to have omeprazole for a month. |
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Location: Foot of the Smoky Mtns, East Tennessee | Ok. So I should get more of the GastroGard (Omeprazole paste) and treat for a full month, then do daily maintenance on him to control them. Thank you all so much for your help!
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Once you treat them for Ulcers I would use something like In the Zone paste (by Animal Element) to assist in keeping them calm and relaxed when hauling. It's a great electrolyte that keeps them eating and drinking plus it has some raspberry leaf to keep them relaxed. In the Zone helps them focus and does not take any run out of them. |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-19 8:51 PM
Ulcer cure OTC is what I use, I have had good results with if. Douglas Gordan sells it on BHW and I believe he is still a paid advertiser.
I suspected ulcers with my daughter's horse. Started him on Ulcer Cure about 2 weeks ago. What a nice difference it made in his performances this weekend. Wish I would of done it sooner. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | GastroPLUS! Love this product! Works wonders and affordable. I always use it for 60 days on any new horse I get then put it on the maintenance dose that THE offers. Most horses have ulcers and doing 2 weeks of any treatement is not enough. |
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Equine ulcers.