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| ahhhh I'm sorry. I have been there and totally understand where you are coming from.
Chin up - you are NOT a bad person and you will get it figured out eventually. HUGS! |
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Location: Kansas | All I have to say is don't keep running before you can come up with the money, and trust your gut feeling. It may take a while, but if you really believe the horse is sore, keep digging until you find it. My good gray has been "off" just a little since probably September and I've had a feeling there was a problem since late January, but we couldn't pinpoint it until today when a different vet who also does chiropractic work looked at him. Now we have a plan and I feel validated because we finally found the problem and now everyone is believing me. I have run him 5 times all year because I thought he was sore and my family thought I was crazy for not running him more. |
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| thank you everyone. I have decided she is done running until I figure out what is going on. I wondered about riding her though because I do want them to be able to see it and I'm not sure if they will be able to if I just kick her out in the pasture and not put any pressure on her at all.... |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-03-25 7:39 PM
All I have to say is don't keep running before you can come up with the money, and trust your gut feeling. It may take a while, but if you really believe the horse is sore, keep digging until you find it. My good gray has been "off" just a little since probably September and I've had a feeling there was a problem since late January, but we couldn't pinpoint it until today when a different vet who also does chiropractic work looked at him. Now we have a plan and I feel validated because we finally found the problem and now everyone is believing me. I have run him 5 times all year because I thought he was sore and my family thought I was crazy for not running him more.
I have been here, too, and totally agree. Save the $$ that you could be using to run and maybe have the opportunity for the good vet to come look at it. Also, when you hear hoof beats think horses, not zebras. I had all kinds of vets looking at my mare and come to find out her feet were sore from deep sulcus thrush. No one bothered with that because it is so dry here in SoCal. I treated the thrush and now she's great.
Your horse may need something similar...chiropractic work, different shoes or farrier, an intolerance to some food, or treatment for thrush. (Of course, I haven't seen your horse and you haven't described the problem...so I may be totally off.) Anyways, hugs and prayers and I hope you can get to the bottom of it soon. |
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| thank you. I'll give you a little back story. I have had a weird feeling for a long time. I took her to numerous vets that all said they see nothing. Took her to the chiro a bunch and they didn't really see anything that stuck out to them. I did have a vet look at her a few weeks ago that said she might be a little off on right rear suspensory and said to poultice it twice a day for 2 weeks. I poulticed it during the day and BOT wrapped it at night and fed her THE nutrawound. Went back in 2 weeks and he said he didn't see anything off about her at all so whatever it was was gone. Had a farrier school instructor come out thinking maybe it was feet and he took 1/8" off her right feet. She was that much taller on the right side. From what everyone had told me I was batsh*t crazy and just needed to go on with my horse.
Well tonight was my kick in the teeth.... I exhibitioned to the right (her norm) she physically refused to finish the 1st barrel. Had no reason not to. I thought ok... maybe shes mad cause I checked her. Went in again, didn't check her and when I spoke to her at the barrel she went straight to the fence. I was like ok maybe she just doesn't like that direction??? So on a last ditch I took her in to the left, she inhaled 1 and refused to finish 2 & 3 correctly. I pulled up obviously saying (out loud because I have done lost my mind) something is wrong. something is bad wrong.
SO..... My mom offered to pay to have Oakridge do a lameness on her Tuesday next week. I would LOVE to sell a horse before then and I can just go "here-fix it" lol. Anywho, vent/ rant over.... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Just an idea, but lots of vets take Care Credit. It's a neat little credit card (I got one years ago when I got my wisdom teeth out) and again last month when I had Lasik eye surgery. It's usually set up to be interest free if you pay it off before their due date and the payments are really reasonable. I wouldn't use it for everything, but great for bigger things. I had a gelding looked all over, did just about everything including a couple x rays and had hocks injected and his SI and it was about $400 in SD. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-25 10:14 PM
Just an idea, but lots of vets take Care Credit. It's a neat little credit card (I got one years ago when I got my wisdom teeth out) and again last month when I had Lasik eye surgery. It's usually set up to be interest free if you pay it off before their due date and the payments are really reasonable. I wouldn't use it for everything, but great for bigger things. I had a gelding looked all over, did just about everything including a couple x rays and had hocks injected and his SI and it was about $400 in SD.
OMG thank you! I used to have one with my ex husband but I closed it after we split and I completely forgot about it. I wonder if Oakridge takes it.... they are the best, closest vet |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | and have a vet do a Rectal exam for pelvis, Just in case ;) might save you a ton of money. Ransom was refusing 1st and then bouncing out of his turn on 2nd. Everyone thought either hocks or stifles. |
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| THEY TAKE CARE CREDIT YYYYAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-03-25 9:17 PM THEY TAKE CARE CREDIT YYYYAAAAAYYYY!!!!!! My day is made. Thank you thank you thank you!!
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Location: Kansas | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-03-25 9:46 PM thank you everyone. I have decided she is done running until I figure out what is going on. I wondered about riding her though because I do want them to be able to see it and I'm not sure if they will be able to if I just kick her out in the pasture and not put any pressure on her at all....
I kept riding Chance because we'd changed some things with his shoeing and I needed to decide if we had made any improvements. His was weird because he didn't appear to be off to most people. I was the only one who could tell.
I'm glad you are going to get her looked at. It is so hard to get off them for a while but in the long run its always best to find the problem and fix it before you throw more entry fees away. For some dumb reason, I have had to learn this lesson the hard way several times. :( |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-25 8:16 PM
and have a vet do a Rectal exam for pelvis, Just in case ;) might save you a ton of money. Ransom was refusing 1st and then bouncing out of his turn on 2nd. Everyone thought either hocks or stifles.
I had my vets check the pelvis because of your issues...before this I thought hocks/stifles, too. Turns out it was just thrush. But glad I checked. Some lameness is totally idiopathic, and you can have tons of stuff done to them and STILL not know. :-( |
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Location: Florida.. | did you check her ovaries. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | RodeoCowgirl4u - 2014-03-25 9:48 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-25 8:16 PM and have a vet do a Rectal exam for pelvis, Just in case ;) might save you a ton of money. Ransom was refusing 1st and then bouncing out of his turn on 2nd. Everyone thought either hocks or stifles. I had my vets check the pelvis because of your issues...before this I thought hocks/stifles, too. Turns out it was just thrush. But glad I checked. Some lameness is totally idiopathic, and you can have tons of stuff done to them and STILL not know. :- (
I am so glad it was something simple!! |
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| I need to take notes, so pelvis, ovaries and shoulders is the off the wall things I have heard so far. I have had her feet done by a very reputable farrier who measured every part of her hoof to the T to make sure it was all correct. He said she didn't have any thrush at the time but I had also treated her feet for it about a week prior.
side note: she is sore on her back about 4" up from her hip bones right over the ovaries but that's also the point that's supposed to show hock soreness. |
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Location: Florida.. | I thought you had asked this before and ovaries were mentioned ? that was why I asked if you checked into it.. I may be confused.. if so I apologize I would sonogram and palpate her.
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Location: mi | Don't forget to check the simple things too. Like her teeth if she has some bad ones in there it might be hurting her to flex a certain way. |
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| I will add suspensories to the list to check. My gelding had this issue. Took him to 3 really good vets who could find nothing. He eventually tore it and came out of a run 3 legged lame. He did not want to finish his left turn. Suspensory issues can be very hard to find, he never had swelling or was off even 1/2 a step. Vet said it was a progressive injury, minor tears till it finally tore 40% of it. Good luck. |
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Location: Kansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-25 10:14 PM Just an idea, but lots of vets take Care Credit. It's a neat little credit card (I got one years ago when I got my wisdom teeth out) and again last month when I had Lasik eye surgery. It's usually set up to be interest free if you pay it off before their due date and the payments are really reasonable. I wouldn't use it for everything, but great for bigger things. I had a gelding looked all over, did just about everything including a couple x rays and had hocks injected and his SI and it was about $400 in SD.
I have a care credit card as well. I applied when I had to have a root canal done as well......it's super handy but my root canal cost me $1,800 so the minimum payments were like $90 a month for 24 months LOL.
The interest rate did not make me happy, 24% so I ended up applying for a low interest rate here at my credit union and have since paid off that CC. I'm now using it for my horses, it definitely comes in handy when you don't have the cash on hand! |
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Location: Texas | X-ray her back to look for kissing spine. It will not show up in lameness exams. My gelding was doing weird stuff and eventually ended up goin up fence when I found his. |
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| I have probably took my horse to 5 different highly recommended vets, even had her at a university hospital for 14 days, did this and that, bone scan, soft tissue exam, lameness locator, I don't think there is anything we haven't covered on my horse..nothing has helped and I still have the same sore horse. So spending tons of money sometimes doesn't get you anywhere.
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Location: Lala Land | rodeomom3 - 2014-03-26 7:42 AM I will add suspensories to the list to check. My gelding had this issue. Took him to 3 really good vets who could find nothing. He eventually tore it and came out of a run 3 legged lame. He did not want to finish his left turn. Suspensory issues can be very hard to find, he never had swelling or was off even 1/2 a step. Vet said it was a progressive injury, minor tears till it finally tore 40% of it. Good luck.
I was going to say check suspensories also. I was lucky enough to have a great vet that did a thorough lameness exam and found suspensory inflamation/scar tissue before he tore anything really bad. He was refusing to finish turns to the right.... gave him time off, ice after riding, poultice after runs and he's peeling the paint off the backsides of barrels. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-25 10:14 PM Just an idea, but lots of vets take Care Credit. It's a neat little credit card (I got one years ago when I got my wisdom teeth out) and again last month when I had Lasik eye surgery. It's usually set up to be interest free if you pay it off before their due date and the payments are really reasonable. I wouldn't use it for everything, but great for bigger things. I had a gelding looked all over, did just about everything including a couple x rays and had hocks injected and his SI and it was about $400 in SD.
I agree with Care Credit. And Oak Ridge takes it. I used it to pay off a surgery with 12 months no interest. |
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| Flexion tests on all joint, coffin, ankle, knee/hock stifle. Then block, X-ray, and ultrasound. This is what a competent vet should be doing.
You have videos correct? I would also get someone to video you walking trotting loping in circles both ways big and smaller circles. This way the vet can see the horse move.
If you can ride at the vet clinic take your saddle and bridle.
I would keep riding the horse unless the horse becomes visibly lame, any swelling or heat anywhere.
Good luck it sucks looking for the non obvious.
My guess is back left hock, or right front foot as you say the horse is freezing up on the right barrel. |
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Location: Oklahoma | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-03-25 11:04 PM
I need to take notes, so pelvis, ovaries and shoulders is the off the wall things I have heard so far. I have had her feet done by a very reputable farrier who measured every part of her hoof to the T to make sure it was all correct. He said she didn't have any thrush at the time but I had also treated her feet for it about a week prior.
side note: she is sore on her back about 4" up from her hip bones right over the ovaries but that's also the point that's supposed to show hock soreness.
I had a horse that did the same, identical thing on the first barrel that yours did. Took him to the vet....vet said nothing wrong with him; whip his butt and make him do it. So next race, that's what I did and he came out 3 legged with a torn suspensory. Came to find out that it had been slightly torn when I first took him in, but when I whipped his butt and MADE him run after that, it tore completely. He was off a year, but he did come back sound. I was SOOO mad at the vet that told me nothing was wrong!!! You know she's trying to tell you something, so you are doing the right thing. I would also have that suspensory ultrasounded that you had trouble with before. It may not be completely healed. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I would have them put the lameness locator on your horse. It found a lameness in a horse of mine that I had tried fixing about everything. Ended up being a hind suspensory, but didn't find it until they used the lameness locator. |
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Location: Texas | dianeguinn - 2014-03-26 11:39 AM
I would have them put the lameness locator on your horse. It found a lameness in a horse of mine that I had tried fixing about everything. Ended up being a hind suspensory, but didn't find it until they used the lameness locator.
I agree with the lameness locator. It has helped me in the past |
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | Make sure you check saddle fit. If ypur horse is being pinched turning right, a lameness exam wont catch that and it will only show up when you run a pattern. |
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| I will chime in and agree with the suspensories. My mare never quit running but I could feel she just wasn't quite right. To this day I still get mad at myself for not realizing something was 'off' sooner. But this is a mare who doesn't know the meaning of quit and she wouldn't tell me she was hurting. Long story short - torn suspensory - and she didn't tell me. I had an ultrasound done (and it was really reasonable - like $150 or so). She was out for a year and a half. I wish I had realized it sooner. Go with your gut - your horse is trying to tell you something. And good luck, keep us posted. |
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| brlraceaddict - 2014-03-26 3:00 PM
I will chime in and agree with the suspensories. My mare never quit running but I could feel she just wasn't quite right. To this day I still get mad at myself for not realizing something was 'off' sooner. But this is a mare who doesn't know the meaning of quit and she wouldn't tell me she was hurting. Long story short - torn suspensory - and she didn't tell me. I had an ultrasound done (and it was really reasonable - like $150 or so). She was out for a year and a half. I wish I had realized it sooner. Go with your gut - your horse is trying to tell you something. And good luck, keep us posted.
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | Make sure you check saddle fit. If ypur horse is being pinched turning right, a lameness exam wont catch that and it will only show up when you run a pattern. |
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that moment when you realize