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| I have a friend looking at selling a horse. She has the papers in hand to register him but he is not registered himself. As we all know it is expensive to do this. If you were the buyer would you stay away, pay less, or does it matter to you since you can actually see how he is bred? |
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Location: Kansas | Honestly it's hard without papers.....I can't get my palomino gelding sold because he isn't registered |
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Location: Oklahoma | If the buyer has the option to register him I wouldn't "stay away", but I would be wanting to "pay less" for him. |
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| She has all paperwork in hand to get him registered just isnt sure if it is worth paying the fee to have it done. So would you figure some people will look at him basically as a grade? |
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| If she has the paper work on the dam and sire and the paper work to register him, so I can verify how he's bred, then it doesn't matter to me if he's papered or not. I'd buy him if he's proven himself. Also if he's proven I don't think it would effect the price, if he isn't proven than it would. Age would make a difference too. So I guess it just depends on the situation. You can't breed him so to me having papers on a proven horse isn't as big of a deal.
**Had to edit this after I thought about it a little while.
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Location: De Berry, Tx | I would NOT go look at a horse that is could be registered but isnt. It is a huge diservice to the horse. He may not be able to reproduce but you can still look at his bloodlines and tell things about him that you couldnt if it was a no papered horse. Jmo |
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The papers can make or break the sale if he's a young prospect that's eligible for breeders incentive $$$. |
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| Firemanswife - 2014-03-26 1:42 PM
She has all paperwork in hand to get him registered just isnt sure if it is worth paying the fee to have it done. So would you figure some people will look at him basically as a grade?
Are you sure she has all paperwork, depending on the age of the horse DNA parentage verification needs to occur, so both sire and dam needs to already be on file, or still alive, then you would have to DNA the parents too |
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| As far as I know she has everything just isnt sure if it is worth dropping the cash to have registered papers on him since he is a gelding to make a sale price difference. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I would consider him a grade at this point (even if everything is ready). How much is the fee? I am always going to overlook the grade horses when they're unproven. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Firemanswife - 2014-03-26 1:57 PM As far as I know she has everything just isnt sure if it is worth dropping the cash to have registered papers on him since he is a gelding to make a sale price difference.
How old is the horse? |
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| He is 6 coming 7. I think she mentioned it is like the upwards of $500 to have him registered. Because of the DNA testing etc |
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck.
Thats mean to say about my gelding :(
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| Firemanswife - 2014-03-26 2:04 PM
He is 6 coming 7. I think she mentioned it is like the upwards of $500 to have him registered. Because of the DNA testing etc
She should do it then for the 500. If he's bred well, she could be able make it up in the price if he has papers. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Firemanswife - 2014-03-26 2:04 PM He is 6 coming 7. I think she mentioned it is like the upwards of $500 to have him registered. Because of the DNA testing etc
Is he currently running or have another job, or just a pasture ornement? |
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Location: Here | Firemanswife - 2014-03-26 1:42 PM She has all paperwork in hand to get him registered just isnt sure if it is worth paying the fee to have it done. So would you figure some people will look at him basically as a grade?
He is a grade without being registered. Even though "paperwork " is in hand, doesn't mean there wouldn't be a snag. So Papers are a must |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Does this horse rope, run barrels? If the papers are in order and ready to be sent in to be reg that would not be a problem for me if the horse has a job. But I would not be paying much if I wanted to get him reg. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2014-03-26 2:06 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck. Thats mean to say about my gelding :(
Except those who have found loving owners! |
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 2:12 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2014-03-26 2:06 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck. Thats mean to say about my gelding :(
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2014-03-26 2:13 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 2:12 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2014-03-26 2:06 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck. Thats mean to say about my gelding :(
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SG. - 2014-03-26 2:12 PM Firemanswife - 2014-03-26 1:42 PM She has all paperwork in hand to get him registered just isnt sure if it is worth paying the fee to have it done. So would you figure some people will look at him basically as a grade? He is a grade without being registered. Even though "paperwork " is in hand, doesn't mean there wouldn't be a snag. So Papers are a must
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| He has had 30 days professional training but she got him as her new barrel prospect but just does not have the time for him she wishes she had. |
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| About once per year AQHA offers a $300 all ages registration and $15 transfers for each horse you need transferred into your name.
2014 registration for anything over 5 years old is $500 ... used to be $1000 ...
This is an older lowered registration fee notice that gives you the details. I would talk to them about when they are going to offer the lower fee and do your DNA checks on sire and dam to make sure everything is ready if they offer the lower fees this year..
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-353570.html |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Firemanswife - 2014-03-26 2:26 PM He has had 30 days professional training but she got him as her new barrel prospect but just does not have the time for him she wishes she had.
So are we talking about a green horse that needs more time and training put into him? If so I would not pay much for him at all. |
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Location: Here | Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-26 2:51 PM Firemanswife - 2014-03-26 2:26 PM He has had 30 days professional training but she got him as her new barrel prospect but just does not have the time for him she wishes she had. So are we talking about a green horse that needs more time and training put into him? If so I would not pay much for him at all.
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Location: ND | honestly, to a lot of folks, if they have the pedigree info and trust that it's accurate, they don't really care whether they are registered or not.....unless there are incentives or things..... papers become less and less relevant on geldings as training progresses
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I agree with registering him. In the long run I think she will make more money on him if he is for sale. We bought a somewhat plain bred gelding years ago as a yearling and I paid all the extras to get him registered/stallion breeding report fees etc. When we sold him, it was to ropers and the one that ended up taking him could care less how he was bred as he was proven as a rope horse BUT he liked knowing exactly how old he was and when he ever re sold him, same deal.
Also, some say you can't ride papers, but if you have a standout barrel horse and decide you may want to do AQHA barrels, you can't. It's just a nice thing to have. Not the end of the world, but I think they pay for themselves. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-03-26 2:55 PM
honestly, to a lot of folks, if they have the pedigree info and trust that it's accurate, they don't really care whether they are registered or not.....unless there are incentives or things..... papers become less and less relevant on geldings as training progresses
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| It matters ALOT to me for a horse to be registerd although I have a couple exceptions. If I KNOW a horse and am buying it for a child learning to ride and the horse is aged, I don't care. The other exception is if I know an older horse that I need as a companion horse for something at the ranch.
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Location: N Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-03-26 2:06 PM
Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck.
Thats mean to say about my gelding :(
No kidding! My two geldings would beg to differ :) |
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Location: SE KS | I am not trying to steal your post, but same scenario, except horse for sale is a mare, 6 or 7 years old, halter broke, being advertised as a granddaughter of Shining Spark, is registered International Horse Identification Registry, but have the paperwork to register AQHA. $1,500.
I am interested in the horse, but not at that price, without AQHA papers!!!
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Location: Texas | Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM
Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck.
False.....I've pulled proven 1D papered geldings put of the kill pen. High brow cat, smart little lena, and smart chic o lena mares out and even a yeaeling gelding paid in full to the pleasure futurity in vegas. Had all tye paper work on every single horse too.
Papers mean absoutly nothing to a kill buyer. Well maybe they can slap them on anotherhorse that is grade once the actual horse has been slaughtered. |
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| YES, PEOPLE, REGISTER YOUR HORSES! It verifies age and verifies bloodlines--there might be some that a person definitely wants to stay away from, i.e. Impressive. If a person is wanting to do a specific event then the papers verifies potential bloodlines. REGISTER YOUR HORSES, PLEASE! |
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Location: Deep South | If I read your friend's ad and it said that she had the paperwork in hand to register the horse, but the horse has not been registered I would skip right on to the next one. I see this so often in ads, I have to wonder if the sellers are being truthful. I just think to myself, if they really do have the paperwork why hasn't the horse been registered?? Therefore, I assume there is some sort of issue with it, or they don't have it at all. I'm sure there are exceptions, like seems the case with your friend, but not a risk I'm willing to take.
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| Alicat0909 - 2014-03-26 5:20 PM
Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM
Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck.
False.....I've pulled proven 1D papered geldings put of the kill pen. High brow cat, smart little lena, and smart chic o lena mares out and even a yeaeling gelding paid in full to the pleasure futurity in vegas. Had all tye paper work on every single horse too.
Papers mean absoutly nothing to a kill buyer. Well maybe they can slap them on anotherhorse that is grade once the actual horse has been slaughtered.
Have you pulled any grade horses out of the meat pen? |
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| How funny! I just responded to an ad about a grade gelding. He is proven 1D, credentials a mile long. He is about 11 -lol. Ropes, ranches and is gorgeous. I know the rodeo family, so I don't think I really care about his papers. The only thing that would bug me is not knowing about hypp, herda, etc... |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | It depends on where you are and what the horse would be used for. There are a lot of people who don't care about papers. If you live where the value of the horse is in his/her ability and not for breeding, then papers matter less. If it's a mare who the only thing standing between her and oblivian, papers AND pedigree matter.
I just don't get why people don't get them registered when it's $30. Problem solved.  |
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| To register this horse it will be $500+ |
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Location: South Georgia | AQHA was running a special to register aged horses at just $300. Would probably be worth it. |
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Location: South Georgia | Firemanswife - 2014-03-27 12:18 PM To register this horse it will be $500+
Why? Is it AQHA? |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM
Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck.
I have sent a few that had papers---and well bred at that. Guess papers are not that important--laughing |
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| Yes it is AQHA, I know someone posted they run a special on it every now and then. But she did call and they said it would cost her $535 to get him papered. |
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| Honeymoney - 2014-03-27 12:02 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-26 1:58 PM Unpapered horses = mexico bound meat truck. I have sent a few that had papers---and well bred at that. Guess papers are not that important--laughing
I never said anything about papered horses. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Skeetersmom - 2014-03-26 6:38 PM How funny! I just responded to an ad about a grade gelding. He is proven 1D, credentials a mile long. He is about 11 -lol. Ropes, ranches and is gorgeous. I know the rodeo family, so I don't think I really care about his papers. The only thing that would bug me is not knowing about hypp, herda, etc...
About 11 often times means 21. And you can do a 5 panel on him to verifty HYPP, Herda PSSM1 now so that is an easy fix. A proven gelding often does not need papers to have a value, but as someone that would have loved to have shown AQHA years ago, I only owned a grade gelding. Believe it or not, registration papers hold more doors open. Are they needed NO, but they sure can help. |
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| horsegirl - 2014-03-27 12:30 PM
Firemanswife - 2014-03-27 12:18 PM To register this horse it will be $500+
Why? Is it AQHA?
I had an older one registered during one of these specials. I don't keep my membership current -I'm not a breeder and don't run in AQHA events, so I also had to pay for that. I also had to tack on the DNA test, and I did parentage verification. I don't remember the exact amount, but I am pretty sure it was still $400+. |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | I have papers on all of my horses. But I have not registered them in my name. I am lazy and I quite frankly just don't care. One is a gelding-Grasshopper. I didn't buy him with papers but I knew his registered name. kmcsunshine owned him. He is registered just not with me. Basically, if Tia every got up and wanted to hate me, she could claim two of my horses though I guarantee you she wouldn't take back Grasshopper. lmao!!!
Grasshopper isn't ever leaving me living so I don't worry. BUT, I have never really cared about papers. Kind of cool and yes I know the high caliber/resale ones have great papers but it just has never been a big deal. |
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| i figured that is why since he is an older horse and all the testing and verification etc. Thank you for your post. |
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| I would go ahead and do it, she can probably get her money back by being able to up the price with papers. I don't care about papers on a proven gelding, but a prospect I want papers on. I've sold alot of horses, even the proven kid/ husband safe, consistent as they come, never hits a barrel, 11 year old gelding was turned down because he didn't have papers. Sad part is he could have, his breeder just didn't get them. Point is, papers sell faster and easier. |
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Location: Oregon | I just got done doing this with a filly of mine, she's 6 and I started the process a little over ayear ago. It has cost me right about $1200.00 so far and I still don't have papers in hand. This was when the $300.00 "sale" was advertised on the website, I sent the $300.00 and then got a bill stating they were no longer doing that. AQHA tells me everything is fine, just processing is slow.
It took DNA on both Mare and the filly, membership fee's, transfer fee's, two back and forths on name choices. I did it because I put alot of training into the filly and I don't want to see her end up in a kill pen as grade. After all this I don't even have the filly anymore, I GAVE her to someone to ride for awhile due to me not wanting to ride young ones right now. Still waiting on papers is very irritating.
But I would go ahead and try to get him Reg, it gives you alot more options if you ever decide to sell down the road. Just know that it might be fairly expensive. |
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