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Location: PICAYUNE,MS | What kind of wormer should we be worming with this time of year ???? |
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Location: My own little world :) | Bump! I use equimax in January but I'd like to know what should be used at different times of the year. |
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| I do holidays as a reminder ... and give a full tube to everyone each time ..
QUEST ...CHRISTMAS // NEW YEARS ... to kill everything in their tummies for the winter months since no bugs are flying laying eggs and grass has frozen killing round worm eggs
EASTER ... IVERMECTIN ... again to get a full kill on worms
July 4th ... EXODUS... (pyrantel pomoate) ... for round worm kill... new round worm eggs hatching in summer grass
LABOR DAY ... IVERMECTIN ... kill everything ... bot flies are out in summer/fall ..
and then start all over with CHRISTMAS // NEW YEARS .... QUEST ..
that's my KISS system ....
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| Just curious, why are yaw giving anthelmentics without a fecal? When I do worm, I use goat wormer. |
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| Bigfoot - 2014-03-26 8:36 PM
Just curious, why are yaw giving anthelmentics without a fecal? When I do worm, I use goat wormer.
Why are you using goat wormer?
For a fecal to be reliable, it has to be when the eggs are being shed, in my area and this all depends on the type of worm does not happen year round. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | Valleyvet has a good chart to go by :
http://www.valleyvet.com/si_worm_facts.html |
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Location: Kansas | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-26 10:45 PM Bigfoot - 2014-03-26 8:36 PM Just curious, why are yaw giving anthelmentics without a fecal? When I do worm, I use goat wormer. Why are you using goat wormer? For a fecal to be reliable, it has to be when the eggs are being shed, in my area and this all depends on the type of worm does not happen year round.
I agree....I've never heard of anyone using goat wormer on a horse. Hmmm
I worm with pancur (sp?) at this time, knocks the big belly off the babies because it works excellent for round worms. My vet suggested to worm with it every year at this time. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-03-26 7:10 PM I do holidays as a reminder ... and give a full tube to everyone each time .. QUEST ...CHRISTMAS // NEW YEARS ... to kill everything in their tummies for the winter months since no bugs are flying laying eggs and grass has frozen killing round worm eggs EASTER ... IVERMECTIN ... again to get a full kill on worms July 4th ... EXODUS... (pyrantel pomoate) ... for round worm kill... new round worm eggs hatching in summer grass LABOR DAY ... IVERMECTIN ... kill everything ... bot flies are out in summer/fall .. and then start all over with CHRISTMAS // NEW YEARS .... QUEST .. that's my KISS system ....
You need to add something in here with Prozyquantel to kill tapeworms.... either Quest Plus or Zimectin Gold |
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Location: Lala Land | My vet told me last year that people are over worming, and the horse builds an immunity to wormers after a while. She said you only need to worm in the fall with a product that will kill tape worms (Zimectrin Gold or Quest Plus) and again late spring (depending on where you live) with a ivermectrin. Some horses may not even need wormed, which is why they suggest a fecal.
Edited to ad that her concentration in vet school was parasitology.
Edited by Lovin Life 2014-03-27 9:42 AM
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| I totally agree, we over due everything, my vet recommends shots every 3 years, and I know a man who has sevral broodmares that are as fat as a tick and some of them have never been wormed. They are healthy. The vet also said that horse meds arent regulated very well and you never know if you are getting the correct dose of the meds that you purchase anyway, thats everything from wormer, shots, and supplements and grain. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2014-03-27 7:47 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-03-26 10:45 PM Bigfoot - 2014-03-26 8:36 PM Just curious, why are yaw giving anthelmentics without a fecal? When I do worm, I use goat wormer. Why are you using goat wormer? For a fecal to be reliable, it has to be when the eggs are being shed, in my area and this all depends on the type of worm does not happen year round.
I worm with pancur (sp?) at this time, knocks the big belly off the babies because it works excellent for round worms. My vet suggested to worm with it every year at this time.
FYI - for all you non-livestock people who only have horses - PANACUR is labeled for livestock as well - ie. goats and sheep - and is sold for those animals as well. Ivermectin is also sold for livestock- oral, pour on and injectable.
Most livestock owners also rotate their wormers during different seasons to keep up with the different "worm loads" too.
If you check the concentrations, you can dose appropriately with the goat/sheep labeled Panacur wormer. I have done this before - just be careful and make sure your math is correct or even work with your vet. |
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| Lovin Life - 2014-03-27 9:40 AM
My vet told me last year that people are over worming, and the horse builds an immunity to wormers after a while. She said you only need to worm in the fall with a product that will kill tape worms (Zimectrin Gold or Quest Plus) and again late spring (depending on where you live) with a ivermectrin. Some horses may not even need wormed, which is why they suggest a fecal.
Edited to ad that her concentration in vet school was parasitology.
FYI - it's not the horse that becomes resistant ... it is the worm. If you incorrectly dose consistently, you will not kill the population and thus the worms develop a resistance.
It is the same type of thing that happens with antibiotics. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | lindseylou2290 - 2014-03-27 2:14 PM Lovin Life - 2014-03-27 9:40 AM My vet told me last year that people are over worming, and the horse builds an immunity to wormers after a while. She said you only need to worm in the fall with a product that will kill tape worms (Zimectrin Gold or Quest Plus) and again late spring (depending on where you live) with a ivermectrin. Some horses may not even need wormed, which is why they suggest a fecal.
Edited to ad that her concentration in vet school was parasitology. FYI - it's not the horse that becomes resistant ... it is the worm. If you incorrectly dose consistently, you will not kill the population and thus the worms develop a resistance. It is the same type of thing that happens with antibiotics.
Even if you dose properly, the worms will still build a resistance, survival of the fittest, so to speak. Rotation is good, but worming based on the McMasters theory is best. |
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Location: North Dakota | http://www.valleyvet.com/si_worm_facts.html
This ^^^ is a BAD idea. Worms are becoming resistant to deworming products and mis-information like that is why. Deworming 6 times a year is WAY too much. ValleyVet's claim of "Vetrinarians recommend deworming every two months." is false. I don't know any vet who says that.
The American Association of Equine Practitioners (AAEP) recommends moving away from "traditional" deworming practices. Using the wrong product at the wrong time will increase anthelmintic-resistant parasites. Roundwords (more of a problem in foals) have already developed a resistance to ivermectin. Most horses only need a dewormer once or twice a year.
Hands down the best way to know what your horse needs is to do a fecal egg count from a stool sample. As it was already mentioned, there are only certain times of the year when the eggs are shedding so you need to do the FEC at the correct time.
Why guess what your horse needs when you can find out exactly what your horse needs?
I think most of us on BHW are pretty quick to rush a horse to the vet when we see the first sign of lameness on the barrel pattern to find the problem. Why not have a FEC done annually? It's certainly way less expensive than that lameness eval we are so quick to perform.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | There are two kinds of worms you have to de-worm for. Tapeworms and Bots. Not all de-wormers will kill these two but all wormers are somewhat effective against all other worms. These two types of worms will never show up in a fecal. Fecals to me are a waste of effort and money. If you de-worm with the proper wormer for the time the worms are in the right part of their lifecycle, you will be covering all your bases. Couple that with proper manure cleanup and disposal and you are doing all you can. |
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| It also depends on where you live and what other livestock your horses come into contact.
Sheep and donkeys can transmit lung worm, I do believe this is overlooked, I overlooked it and lost a donkey to lung worm.
My vet suggested to deworm all my horses before they go onto pasture, then work before pasture rotation as this will help reduce the prevalence of worms. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-03-27 3:58 PM
It also depends on where you live and what other livestock your horses come into contact.
Sheep and donkeys can transmit lung worm, I do believe this is overlooked, I overlooked it and lost a donkey to lung worm.
My vet suggested to deworm all my horses before they go onto pasture, then work before pasture rotation as this will help reduce the prevalence of worms.
Lung worms are NASTY business ... Once they are in a pasture they are certainly hard to get rid of too. |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-03-27 2:23 PM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-03-27 2:14 PM Lovin Life - 2014-03-27 9:40 AM My vet told me last year that people are over worming, and the horse builds an immunity to wormers after a while. She said you only need to worm in the fall with a product that will kill tape worms (Zimectrin Gold or Quest Plus) and again late spring (depending on where you live) with a ivermectrin. Some horses may not even need wormed, which is why they suggest a fecal.
Edited to ad that her concentration in vet school was parasitology. FYI - it's not the horse that becomes resistant ... it is the worm. If you incorrectly dose consistently, you will not kill the population and thus the worms develop a resistance. It is the same type of thing that happens with antibiotics.
Is the McMasters theory different from a standard fecal float to determine if you need to treat for worms? Just curious as I have not heard of it before and did a little google search ... learning new stuff! Thanks - |
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