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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I have a mare that's gone to be bred. She's older(15) and been there for a few weeks but wouldn't come in season. Ee gave her a shot to bring her in. She came in season Sunday. So that was great. Now though she won't let Money breed her. He tries but she kicks him. Tried everyday with no luck. Anyone have any suggestions? I asked him about putting breeding hobbles on her but he doesn't have any but doesn't like them anyway.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | If you can get a vet with a decent ultrasound to look at her that would help. She may be showing heat but doesn't have a good follicle yet.
If not, dormosedan and a twitch may help, ask your vet how much to give. You want her sedated but still able to support the weight of the stud. |
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Location: Oregon | The breeder needs to learn to use breeding hobbles or at least tie up a back leg for the safety of his stallion. Also a twitch can help immensely. Many mares are kickers and need to be restrained.
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Location: Oklahoma | TessBelle - 2014-03-27 1:24 AM I have a mare that's gone to be bred. She's older(15) and been there for a few weeks but wouldn't come in season. Ee gave her a shot to bring her in. She came in season Sunday. So that was great. Now though she won't let Money breed her. He tries but she kicks him. Tried everyday with no luck. Anyone have any suggestions? I asked him about putting breeding hobbles on her but he doesn't have any but doesn't like them anyway.
Id suggest him getting breeding hobbles -- but honestly on this kind of mare can he just collect stallion and AI?
We try to tease everything ... even AI'ing -- there are a LOT of mares - esp old mares that wont settle without live cover or extreme teasing ... but there are some mares that flat out will NOT show heat. We had a mare last year we were Ultrasounding had a nice big soft 45 -- PRIME time to be bred before ovulatioin - we tried teasing her and she wouldn't even let the stallion within 15 feet of her ... we had just gotte her and were trying to figure her out. This year she LOVES the stallion ... heck she even loves my gelding, LOL.
Your mare could just be very very scared too.... is the stallion aggressive? There are some mean stallions out there ... we had a outside mare come a week ago and they were very skeptical because she didnt show to the last stud owner and didnt get bred -- come to find out they said they stallion was VERY mean and aggressive. We teased with ours and the first day she was terrified -- after that she again became in love during tease time! ha.
So many variables but before someone gets hurt I'd ask for an ultra sound and AI her every other day til she goes out ... JMO |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | He teased her with his teaser and then tried to tease her with the stud but she wanted no part of it. I'm not gonna leave her there to try agin in her next heat because I am having to pay mare care per day. It's only $7 a day but that adds up. This is the first year Moneys been open for stud to the public so he didn't collect him so AI isn't a option. |
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Location: Midwest | TessBelle - 2014-03-27 7:10 AM
He teased her with his teaser and then tried to tease her with the stud but she wanted no part of it. I'm not gonna leave her there to try agin in her next heat because I am having to pay mare care per day. It's only $7 a day but that adds up. This is the first year Moneys been open for stud to the public so he didn't collect him so AI isn't a option.
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| Are they tracking her with ultrasound? Has she been under lights? I don't know where you live, but here in SW Kansas if I don't put mares under lights they don't start cycling normally until early April. About this time they will start going through transition where their follicle size will fluctuate and they might show signs of heat, however they won't stand because they truly aren't cycling yet. The only way to know for sure what's going on is to ultrasound. Even if the stud farm doesn't have that option, call in a vet or haul her somewhere to have it done. You will be money ahead if you have this done because you will see if she's truly cycling and approximately where in her cycle she's at. This will give you a better idea of when to take her back to the stallion and when you should expect her to ovulate. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Jenbabe - 2014-03-27 7:30 AM
Are they tracking her with ultrasound? Has she been under lights? I don't know where you live, but here in SW Kansas if I don't put mares under lights they don't start cycling normally until early April. About this time they will start going through transition where their follicle size will fluctuate and they might show signs of heat, however they won't stand because they truly aren't cycling yet. The only way to know for sure what's going on is to ultrasound. Even if the stud farm doesn't have that option, call in a vet or haul her somewhere to have it done. You will be money ahead if you have this done because you will see if she's truly cycling and approximately where in her cycle she's at. This will give you a better idea of when to take her back to the stallion and when you should expect her to ovulate.
I'm in south Alabama. It's already turned warm for the most part and all my mares have already came in heat on there own but she never would so he gave her lutalysin and regumate to bring her in heat and it worked or at least we think it did. She just won't stand. |
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| TessBelle - 2014-03-27 7:58 AM
Jenbabe - 2014-03-27 7:30 AM
Are they tracking her with ultrasound? Has she been under lights? I don't know where you live, but here in SW Kansas if I don't put mares under lights they don't start cycling normally until early April. About this time they will start going through transition where their follicle size will fluctuate and they might show signs of heat, however they won't stand because they truly aren't cycling yet. The only way to know for sure what's going on is to ultrasound. Even if the stud farm doesn't have that option, call in a vet or haul her somewhere to have it done. You will be money ahead if you have this done because you will see if she's truly cycling and approximately where in her cycle she's at. This will give you a better idea of when to take her back to the stallion and when you should expect her to ovulate.
I'm in south Alabama. It's already turned warm for the most part and all my mares have already came in heat on there own but she never would so he gave her lutalysin and regumate to bring her in heat and it worked or at least we think it did. She just won't stand.
Did he do 10 days of regumate followed by lutalyse? I would still suggest an ultrasound, that's really the only way to know for sure what you're dealing with.
Edited to add - It's not about temperature when it comes to mares cycling, it is daylight hours. That's why if you want to breed early (February 15th) you need to have your mare under lights by December 1st.
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| Last year I had two mares stay in transitional heat for 3 cycles, basically until June. If you aren't ultrasounding then you won't know if she is ovulating or not. Either ultrasound and see what she's got in there or keep trying to live cover. Tho the huzzies last year had no problem with the being bred part, I finally ultrasounded and they had 3-4 folicles on each ovary, all of which were 20+, none of which was going to become dominant. We just passed equinox so there is still the utmost chance your mare is in transition. Unless you put her under lights last November she has not had enough days with long enough light to bring on ovulation. |
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Location: Kentucky | My bet is that she is just not ready yet. I'd bring her home for another month and try again in May.
I don't know how close you are in relation to the stud, so that may not be an option.
For the record, I did Lutalyse last year on both of my mares... one grew a 50mm follicle, the other only grew a 30mm. The 50mm mare was bred and she is due in May, my other mare stayed open. She is going to a stud this year to live cover. I also vow to never use lutalyse again. I don't like how either mare reacted with it. |
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| Murphy - 2014-03-27 9:58 AM
My bet is that she is just not ready yet. I'd bring her home for another month and try again in May.
I don't know how close you are in relation to the stud, so that may not be an option.
For the record, I did Lutalyse last year on both of my mares... one grew a 50mm follicle, the other only grew a 30mm. The 50mm mare was bred and she is due in May, my other mare stayed open. She is going to a stud this year to live cover. I also vow to never use lutalyse again. I don't like how either mare reacted with it.
The vet I went to several years ago used lutalyse. The breeding facility that I use now uses Estrumate instead, for the same reason - they don't like the reaction the mares have to it. You also can't always just look at the size of the follicle, as some mares will grow larger than others. You need to take into consideration the edema as that seems to be a bigger indicator of when they will ovulate.
If a mare is already cycling, you can use lutalyse or Estrumate to short cycle one, but it needs to be given a certain number of days post-ovulation. I typically short cycle my mares because it is easier to predict ovulation. We also use ovulation drugs to force them to ovulate within a certain time frame. If your mare is not cycling, but in transition, I think you can give 10 days of regumate followed by lutalyse or estrumate to try to get her to begin cycling. |
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Location: Winds-A-Blowen, Oklahoma | Years ago I worked for a cutting horse breeder. We hand breed everything. The owner believed in the old ways and was not receptive to change. We had a high dollar bred mare that was a real bear to breed. The riper in heat she was the worse she was. We had a freshmen Young Guns Stud that just refused to even try to breed her, she intimidated him. I couldn't even get one of the hands to help me, due to the way she carried on, even with breeding hobbles. I finally tied her up short and drugged her. Bred her that way every year I was there and she always caught 1st time.
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | I would not risk getting a person, the mare or the stud hurt. Some mares simply do not want to be covered.
A mare like this here, would be ultrasounded and AIed. I've had several that were like this in the past, and they settled every time via ultrasound & AI.
In fact with our mares with foals at side, we don't even waste time teasing them with a stud. We ultrasound them and that's what we go by for breeding.
Many times they won't show anything when they've got a foal at side.
And I've even had 2 mares here go into "lactational anestrus" which is where they don't even ovulate when they are nursing a foal. They will build a follicle and act like they are in heat, and then never ovulate it. But without ultrasounding those mares, you would never know it. And breeding them when they are truly not ready does more harm than good.
Was your mare ultrasounded before she was given the drugs? Because if she was randomly given those drugs without knowing where exactly she was at in her cycle, that can also cause more harm than good.
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I just talked to him agin and he said she still wasn't letting him so were gonna try to get her to a vet to have her ultrasound. This is the first time I've ever tried to breed. I've always just bought babies but after this I think I like buying babies better. |
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| Honeymoney - 2014-03-27 12:06 PM Transition heat
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I bought the breeding at a benefit for $250. I already have way over that in mare care and the fuel to haul her to him. I'm about ready to just give up. I don't wanna keep loosing more money. |
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| TessBelle - 2014-03-27 12:30 PM I bought the breeding at a benefit for $250. I already have way over that in mare care and the fuel to haul her to him. I'm about ready to just give up. I don't wanna keep loosing more money.
Yep. The cheapest part of breeding is the stud fee, just like the cheapest part of owning a horse is buying one! There is no cheap way around what you are trying to do. The cheapest would have been to pack her up April 1 and let her stay until bred, whenever her first natural cycle was after that. Even then, I'd've wanted a positive ultrasound before heading home with her. Let the farm tease her daily and breed on day 3 or 4 of a strong heat cycle, repeat in 2 days if she still stands for the stallion. My stallion has settled all but one mare (one of those from last year) three years running with that formula. Two were maidens and they had no issue because they got to know the stallion before hand, plus he is well mannered at breeding time. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | lonely va barrelxr - 2014-03-27 12:36 PM
TessBelle - 2014-03-27 12:30 PM I bought the breeding at a benefit for $250. I already have way over that in mare care and the fuel to haul her to him. I'm about ready to just give up. I don't wanna keep loosing more money.
Yep. The cheapest part of breeding is the stud fee, just like the cheapest part of owning a horse is buying one! There is no cheap way around what you are trying to do. The cheapest would have been to pack her up April 1 and let her stay until bred, whenever her first natural cycle was after that. Even then, I'd've wanted a positive ultrasound before heading home with her. Let the farm tease her daily and breed on day 3 or 4 of a strong heat cycle, repeat in 2 days if she still stands for the stallion. My stallion has settled all but one mare (one of those from last year) three years running with that formula. Two were maidens and they had no issue because they got to know the stallion before hand, plus he is well mannered at breeding time.
It kinda worries me with her. She was hand bred lest year but she didn't catch. This year she's not wanting to be bred at all. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | And if this was a more proven stud then I would by all means do what it takes but he's just a high bred 3yr old and the money went to a good cause |
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Location: Oregon | Is the stallion owner/handler inexperienced? Because really, this isn't that unusual of a situation. Some mares get frightened or just flat don't like it when the stallion mounts them. And it's not because they aren't strongly in heat, they just don't like it. Once past the initial kicking they will stand just fine. |
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| TessBelle - 2014-03-27 12:39 PM
lonely va barrelxr - 2014-03-27 12:36 PM
TessBelle - 2014-03-27 12:30 PM I bought the breeding at a benefit for $250. I already have way over that in mare care and the fuel to haul her to him. I'm about ready to just give up. I don't wanna keep loosing more money.
Yep. The cheapest part of breeding is the stud fee, just like the cheapest part of owning a horse is buying one! There is no cheap way around what you are trying to do. The cheapest would have been to pack her up April 1 and let her stay until bred, whenever her first natural cycle was after that. Even then, I'd've wanted a positive ultrasound before heading home with her. Let the farm tease her daily and breed on day 3 or 4 of a strong heat cycle, repeat in 2 days if she still stands for the stallion. My stallion has settled all but one mare (one of those from last year) three years running with that formula. Two were maidens and they had no issue because they got to know the stallion before hand, plus he is well mannered at breeding time.
It kinda worries me with her. She was hand bred lest year but she didn't catch. This year she's not wanting to be bred at all.
If you tried last year and your mare didn't settle, then you might have some other issue going on as well. You might need to have your mare cultured to make sure she is clean and clear of infection.
I also agree that the stud fee is the cheap part of getting a foal on the ground. Hopefully your ultrasound will give you a clear picture of what's going on so that you can get your mare settled without a lot more time and money. I would also recommend having her ultrasounded 14 days post-breeding to determine if she is bred. This is also a good time to draw blood to check hormone levels to make sure your mare can carry the pregnancy without needing regumate. |
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Location: Great NW | I have found if they will not stand there is some physical issue. When mares will take a stallion they most likely will take. and the opposite as also been true. THere is no need in most cases to hobble and force the mare. if they are in and ready usually all they need is a good tease. If not then I do not cover that day. Safety first then compassion. My bet the vet will find some issue. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that.
Please pm me the stallion? I am curious what owner is refusing to listen to the possibitly that she may not be in actual heat without an ultrasound and just because he gave her a dang shot? |
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| Is this a maiden mare?
How old?
I had one that was maiden over 10, with hobbles, still wouldn't stand. I had to find a different stallion and pasture breed her, I left her for 6 months with the stallion and it worked. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Doesnt the vet do farm calls? I've had mares ultrasounded at home. And sorry if I missed it because I didnt read the whole first page but can they collect him and then just inseminate your mare? I also have to say I believe you need a more active relationship with the vet there as there seems to be an issue on either the mares side, or the stallion owner. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM
Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that.
I'm sooty you are having to go through this. After reading both pages of this thread the thing that kind of sticks out to me is that maybe this owner should take a short corse in breeding It's the stallions first year breeding and I would think he would be going out of his way to get your mare bred for you. There is more than one reason possible that she is not being receptive to the stallion. JMO
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-27 8:32 PM TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that. Please pm me the stallion? I am curious what owner is refusing to listen to the possibitly that she may not be in actual heat without an ultrasound and just because he gave her a dang shot?
People like that guy should not be in the breeding business.
I don't think I would pay him one single penny.
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-27 8:32 PM
TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that.
Please pm me the stallion? I am curious what owner is refusing to listen to the possibitly that she may not be in actual heat without an ultrasound and just because he gave her a dang shot?
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Location: Opelousas, LA | rockinas - 2014-03-27 8:53 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-27 8:32 PM TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that. Please pm me the stallion? I am curious what owner is refusing to listen to the possibitly that she may not be in actual heat without an ultrasound and just because he gave her a dang shot?
I don't think I would pay him one single penny.
I agree, I hated having to deal with live covering a mare that was kicking, but there are so many ways around it. Honestly, it sounds like since you bought the breeding thru an auction, he could care less about taking care of you as a customer. Sorry you are dealing with this. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-27 8:36 PM
Is this a maiden mare?
How old?
I had one that was maiden over 10, with hobbles, still wouldn't stand. I had to find a different stallion and pasture breed her, I left her for 6 months with the stallion and it worked.
She's 15. She was bred last year and though she caught but when I got her I noticed her loosing weight so I has her checked and she wasn't bred. They tried pasture breeding and hand breeding neither worked. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I even asked if we could just carry it over to next yr because I already have like $800 in it(I know that's not much for most breeding a but it is to me) but he said he sold the stud to people in MN. |
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Location: Qld Australia | I am not going to suger coat this so sorry if I offend; He is an IDIOT.
We side line EVERY mare, this is for out stallions and our safety. We have had plenty of mare owners over the years say that their mare does not need side lines. Too bad, go elsewhere, it is a safety precaution. We advise mare owners to scan mares if there are issues. We have had plenty that have no issues at all and will not stand like a sweetheart. We have successfully bred every mare as we use safety measures and common sense.
This idiot should not be standing a stallion he sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | After reading the sale ad for the stallion you were breeding to on here and on facebook...Honey you got taken advantage of. He says right in the ad he doesn't have time for outside mares. He should have thought of that before he donated a breeding unless the fool planned to buy his own stud fee. If I were you, I would take this up with the auction people or him. You deserve some mare care money back in my opinion. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Why would someone donate a breeding and advertise a stallion when they have no intention of completing their job. 
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Location: Here | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-28 6:50 PM After reading the sale ad for the stallion you were breeding to on here and on facebook...Honey you got taken advantage of. He says right in the ad he doesn't have time for outside mares. He should have thought of that before he donated a breeding unless the fool planned to buy his own stud fee. If I were you, I would take this up with the auction people or him. You deserve some mare care money back in my opinion.
I agree, and honestly if he did sell the stallion, the stallion is better off.
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| when they are ready, they will break down and pee, when you bring her up to the stud,if she is ready, that will happen. if you get to anxious, u will mess things up. she knows when she is ready. don't force anything. unless u already missed the ovulation. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I had a very close friend go and check things out and see what was going on. He said she was kicking and rearing up and pawing at him if he came near her. That is way not like her. She's sweet and gets along with everybody. My uncle gave me the mare for Christmas and I talked to him and he said when they bred her last year they had no problems. We both think the shots messed her up. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I have to go get her in the morning. He agreed to let me bring ace and try to breed her if my vet said that would be ok. Vet said it would be fine so well see how it goes. |
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Location: Florida.. | if she isnt wanting to then shes not ready.. Id not force the issue imo |
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 I Love My Mares!
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Location: Moved to Montana | Breeding her at this point with out an ultrasound is not just a wast of time it's asking to get hurt find your contract and ask for your money back. |
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Expert
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Well we went to get her today and she kept having a for so he decided to try one more time. She let him breed her twice in a hour and half. We was gonna try one more time but she wouldn't let him then. So hoping the 2 times is enough. She wasn't in heat Sunday like he originally said. He gave her the other shot Sunday and she came in Wednesday.
Edited by TessBelle 2014-03-29 3:16 PM
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TessBelle - 2014-03-29 2:15 PM Well we went to get her today and she kept having a for so he decided to try one more time. She let him breed her twice in a hour and half. We was gonna try one more time but she wouldn't let him then. So hoping the 2 times is enough. She wasn't in heat Sunday like he originally said. He gave her the other shot Sunday and she came in Wednesday. From my understanding he is a college student with very little experience in the breeding barn. A mare does NOT and I mean SHOULD NOT be bred twice in that short of time. Super hard on the stallion too. Once every other day is plenty. If the swimmers can swim and she is ovulating that is all you need. I sure hope it works out for you, but in the future I highly suggest picking a stallion from an experienced breeder.
Edited by wyoming barrel racer 2014-03-29 3:44 PM
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How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | The owner or handler of this stallion is an idiot. There is no reason whatsoever to breed that mare twice in that length of time. *headdesk* |
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Champ
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | crapshooter - 2014-03-29 2:11 PM The owner or handler of this stallion is an idiot. There is no reason whatsoever to breed that mare twice in that length of time. *headdesk* Glad you said what I was thinking.  ETA: A mare should never be covered more than once in a 24 hour period. The semen (any foreign matter) causes an inflamitory reaction in the mare's uterus. The fluid caused by this inflamation needs to clear before the next breeding. It is usually not recommended to breed in normal circumstances more often than every 48 hours (approximately). I usually cover mares every other day from the time I start breeding them.
Edited by OregonBR 2014-03-29 4:59 PM
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | you should not have allowed that 2 times.. period.. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Bibliafarm - 2014-03-29 5:39 PM
you should not have allowed that 2 times.. period..
I didn't know not too. He was very good to is when we got there. I know everyone said I shouldn't pay him but I felt bad about not paying becUse it wasn't his fault to begin with she wouldn't breed. I offered to pay and he wouldn't let me. So we were both satisfied. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TessBelle - 2014-03-29 5:43 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-03-29 5:39 PM you should not have allowed that 2 times.. period.. I didn't know not too. He was very good to is when we got there. I know everyone said I shouldn't pay him but I felt bad about not paying becUse it wasn't his fault to begin with she wouldn't breed. I offered to pay and he wouldn't let me. So we were both satisfied.
Ah hugs to you girl. Breeding is tough. When I was 12 we took my injured barrel mare that was going to be out for a little while to a stud and she came up open when we preg checked her. i was broken hearted. Then we retried that same season and she was in foal. I got the most perfect little bay roan colt out of the deal and still have him. He's going to be 21 May 5th.
You just never know and there is a lot to it, when by nature it should be so simple. We pasture breed so that takes all the guess work out of it. By % standpoints we get nearly 100% conception so whether they get more "dirty" or not, we rarely have to flush a mare. If you felt you needed to pay, that is between the both of you. Good luck |
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Anyone had problems with a mare being in heat but won't let the stud breed her? UPDATE page 2