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Impressive bloodlines...would you EVER buy one of his offspring?...
CrossCreek
Reg. Mar 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 12:15 AM
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 Looking at a 14.2 hand horse for my little boy, just found out she's got Impressive way back there...what kind of risk am i taking? She's just a cheap playday horse...
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bccanchaser16
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 12:31 AM
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 Nothing. If she's N/N there's no risk. The best horse I've ever swung a leg across was an Impressive grandson and N/H at that too. I'd take a barn full of them anyday.
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CrossCreek
Reg. Mar 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 12:52 AM
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Thanks for the vote of confidence... :
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ninaom
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-03-28 1:16 AM
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What is her HYPP status? If it is anything other than NN I would not purchase esp for a kids horse. You can google HYPP and find out more about the risk.
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barrelracr131
Reg. Aug 2011
Posted 2014-03-28 4:58 AM
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 Make sure the horse is n/n

if the horse is n/h or h/h, it has the disease. The horse may or may not openly show symptoms, but the gene is dominant so if they have even one copy, they have hypp. 

I run run a great grand son and hes n/n. He's a good boy. :)


 
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Murphy
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 6:06 AM
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I'm an Impressive fan as long as the horse is N/N. It should be on her papers somewhere.
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aquinnell
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2014-03-28 6:49 AM
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As long as they're NN I would DEFINITELY buy another.  I LOVE my Impressive gelding, best horse Ive ever owned.  He is the most quiet and willing horse, he sleeps in front of the alley and you literally have to wake him up to get him running down.  Makes the same trip every time, gives 110% and he's safe for anyone 
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Nateracer
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-03-28 7:08 AM
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If they are NN  I would CERTAINLY buy another!  Had an awesome mare who could do it all and did it all well.   
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barrelstar88
Reg. Feb 2011
Posted 2014-03-28 7:20 AM
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Got a mare with Impressive bloodlines. What a smart horse!!! She learns so fast and uses her body really efficiently!!
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shaunar
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-03-28 7:23 AM
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Just bought my first Impressive, a N/N Impressive-bred mare a month ago.  I have been so happy with her.  Started her on barrels and she is so smart, athletic, willing and a fast learner!
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grullagirl
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 7:41 AM
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 I have an Impressive mare and I love her. She's so smart and an extremely fast learner. She's also very quiet and willing but I will say she's lazy. She will do anything you ask but she doesn't get in any hurry. Oh and she's a looker! 
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hoofs_in_motion
Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2014-03-28 7:42 AM
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I found a super nice red roan mare who is N/N and impressive is FAR back....I think she would definitely be one I would consider.  
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barrelracr131
Reg. Aug 2011
Posted 2014-03-28 8:30 AM
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Here's mine. It's not super close. He's N/N

Not really bred for barrels, but I like him anyway. We aren't blowing the barn doors off but that may be more me than him. He's a solid horse though. I've posted about him before. :)

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GenuineGlamour
Reg. May 2012
Posted 2014-03-28 8:40 AM
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YES! YES! YES! If they are N/N or N/H, I would not hesitate to buy them. I know a barn full of N/H horses that have never had any problems. As a preventative, you can always feed them a special diet. Impressive horses have run, rate and looks. People forget that Impressive was bred to be a RACE HORSE.
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wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-03-28 8:45 AM
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I used to say no way Jose, because I have rode several that were all different kinds of crosses to him and didn't like a one. But I bred a mare for a neigbor that has it on her papers once way way back and she is n/n. She had this super good looking, sweet blue roan by our stallion. I halter broke him for the guy and he decided to keep him. We may work something out in the future that I get to ride him and after halter breaking him, if he rides at all like he was to mess with, (wilder than a March hare at first) he is just my style. Here is a pic if I can get it small enough.  8 generations back if I counted right http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dash+n+trace+of+blue

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Gunner11
Reg. Mar 2011
Posted 2014-03-28 8:45 AM
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I owned a mare with Impressive on her papers and since she was N/N, I never worried about a thing. As long as they are HYPP N/N, they have as much chance of developing problems as any Joe Blow horse out there. I wouldn't let it deter me at all.
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Cowgal1986
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-03-28 8:47 AM
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I have a mare that is out of a son of Impressive. She is N/N. I love her! She gives 110% everytime I run her. It's no surprise to find her asleep at the trailer at any event. She is laid back, but has enough "get up & go" when I ask her. I have given riding lessons to a teenager that had no experience at all with horses. I wouldn't hesitate buying another Impressive bred horse.
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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2014-03-28 8:51 AM
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No problem.  We owned a heel horse and he was wonderful.

 
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ndiehl
Reg. Feb 2011
Posted 2014-03-28 9:01 AM
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I'll be the odd one out and say nope never again. I have a double bred mare that is n/n and even though she's a looker; she is a very hard keeper, has some bad circulation and feet.

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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-03-28 9:07 AM
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There is no risk if they are N/N. My gelding is Impressive five generations back. Unfortunately it seems to follow him. I don't know of any other bloodline that scares someone off FIVE generations back. I love my gelding and he's honest as the day is long.



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wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2014-03-28 9:16 AM
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I know most are commenting on this thread about the risk of HYPP, my experiences had nothing to do with the disease it was the disposition and work ethic. These were grandsons/granddaughters that we rode some great grandkids as well.

But to the OP if the horse is already riding and what you want for the kiddo, I would just run a 5 panel test on her and go from there. Especially if the Impressive is back a ways.
 
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chuckie31
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-03-28 9:17 AM
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Just sold a little mare who was Impressive bred.  She was a sweetheart, loved attention and is going to be nice little horse for the 14 year old girl that is getting her first horse.  She was a Western Pleasure horse that had absolutely NO desire to go any faster than her little pitter-patter WP gaits.  As long as the horse is N/N I would say go for it! 
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SaraJean
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2014-03-28 9:19 AM
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If the horse is N/N and fits your son I'd buy him in a heartbeat. My good gelding traces back to Impressive & he's seriously the the best horse I own. He can show in every english & western class competatively at the local level, he can run all the speed events, team rope, do ranch work & pony colts, and currently he's an outstanding mounted shooting horse. He's got the most incredible mind and is so quiet. At the shoots I can go in the arena make a 1D run on him, he walkes out quiet as can be & will then walk off with a kid on his back. Or he'll make a run with me, then go back into the arena & make a slow collected run for my mom who has just started shooting. He's priceless to me! 



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luckyjo
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 10:02 AM
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Have nothing against the bloodline. It is not that I would not want to buy one, but from experience, I will say they are almost impossible to sell. People don't seem to care if they are NN. They see the bloodline and run. When I buy, I want a horse I can sell.
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klutz02
Reg. Aug 2010
Posted 2014-03-28 10:41 AM
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I had one that went back to him and he was a good looking son of a gun. He was very spooky and hard to work with (borderline dangerous in the beginning) but I blame that on the person that I bought him from. I think he was abused before I got him. He was very smart and really caught on to things fast. And holy crap was he fast and athletic. I wish I would have sent him to a trainer instead of trying to do it myself and getting myself hurt. :/ He would have been good. This is a picture of him the spring of his 4 yr old summer.

eta: Yes, I would definitely buy another one!

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flyhperformancehorse
Reg. Mar 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 11:04 AM
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Nope. No risk at N/N. I would NOT buy a N/H or H/N horse... but my best, favorite broodmare we got is an own grandaughter of Impressive on her top side. This mare is thick, great hip, great bone, fabulous feet and a kind eye. She has raised 3 colts for us, 2 of which I am riding and honestly, she is fabulous and so are her babies. She is of course N/N and we are breeding her back to DAF this spring. I think if they are crossed correctly, you can have a really athletic, nice horse on your hands. Impressive is line bred Three Bars, I think he is a nice looking horse. This mares bottom side is out of an own daughter of world champ running horse, The Haymaker (by Depth Charge). This mare is old school running bred and I love her! She crosses great on todays leading sires.
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lexi
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 11:09 AM
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If she is a good fit for your son I would buy her no problem!

We have had 2 horses that went to Impressive. One gelding that was really cute and was a good horse for the start that he had. We also just sold a broodmare that went to Impressive. She was a really nice mare, gentle, easy to get along with, had a lot of try, was good looking and had a really good looking colt. Impressive horses are just harder to sell than others so that's why we got rid of her rather than breed her again. I'm not scared of Impressive horses but others are so when you are in the business of selling horses they are just too hard to get your money back on.

Good luck!
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fastwrapn3
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-03-28 11:48 AM
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Nothing to worry about dna wise. get the horse tested, actually the horse should already be tested if papered. I have had a couple that I love!!! They were both N/N
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run n rate
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 12:25 PM
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My bay mare was Impressive bred I believe hers was 3 generations back...She was a handful when I got her, blown up cutting futurity reject, took me 8 months to get her to run away FORWARD!!! But, once she came round she was a heck of a horse. Tough physically and mentally, how they blew her up I have no idea, must have been ugly. She was the kind of horse that I literally used on Saturday to gather cows in the rocks and ravines, an all day adventure and then Sunday won high point at a gymkhana running 6 events in the heat both days. She had no quit. Fractured her hock as a 12 year old. She was non weight bearing the first day with no swelling, then the next day it was the size of a small basketball and she was running and trotting the pasture on it. Thankfully took her in due to the swelling, x-ray showed the fracture. Did some therapy on it, gave her 4 months in a smaller pen and kicked her out for another 6 then re-xrayed and started fitting her back up. Had to switch her left barrel first but she actually came back tougher than even before. Ran well into her 20's. Also found she was N/H about the time she fractured her hock as I was thinking about breeding her if she didnt' come back strong. Never had an episode, never got a special diet, other than getting worked hard and fed good clean hay. I'd take 12 of them just like her.
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Katie's
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2014-03-28 1:54 PM
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I LOVE mine - sweetest boy ever.  He's N/N. 



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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-03-28 1:56 PM
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No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe
I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.
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LIVE2RUN
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2014-03-28 2:29 PM
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My mare in my Avatar is Impressive bred. Best horse I have ever owned!!
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-03-28 2:36 PM
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foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM

No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe
I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.

Question could his size of feet be due to poor shoeing. In current time, I have seen many horses in too small of a shoe, and I have had farriers do the same to my horses.
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SaraJean
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2014-03-28 2:49 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-03-28 1:36 PM
foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.
Question could his size of feet be due to poor shoeing. In current time, I have seen many horses in too small of a shoe, and I have had farriers do the same to my horses.

YEP I've seen so many show horses crammed into tiny shoes creating a long narrow ugly hoof. My horse above has never been shod but his feet are BIG and healthy. 
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rachellyn80
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2014-03-28 2:58 PM
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Kassi4D
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2014-03-28 4:35 PM
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foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-03-28 5:10 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-03-28 2:36 PM

foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM

No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe
I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.

Question could his size of feet be due to poor shoeing. In current time, I have seen many horses in too small of a shoe, and I have had farriers do the same to my horses.

Perhaps you are correct that corrective shoeing would have helped. However genetics are genetics and Impressive was originally bred for The Track and had an extremely small foot for a 1200# horse. He couldn't run, he shore did look good in a halter w/ them small feet.
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CrossCreek
Reg. Mar 2007
Posted 2014-03-28 6:30 PM
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 Thank y'all for the "Impressive" info! Turns out mare didn't fit my son, but my good barrel mare is also Impressive, and ths has been very encouraging :)
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br549
Reg. Dec 2006
Posted 2014-03-28 6:35 PM
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I had one and on her papers it said she was hypp n/n and yes I would buy another one.
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Honeymoney
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2014-03-29 12:22 AM
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I have a friend who won the AQHA World Show in Sr Barrels on a son of Perksmaster. He has Impressive on the bottom which surprised me but that boy is bad to the bone.
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komet.
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2014-03-29 12:27 AM
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Without a doubt!! (under the right conditions)
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trotncowpony
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2014-03-29 1:20 AM
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I have several awesome horses that work for a living and they are Impressive bred. N/N of course. They are highly intelligent, level headed, talented individuals that are also gorgeous!

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trotncowpony
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2014-03-29 1:26 AM
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foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM

No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe
I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.

HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive. I have 3 roan boys that are all your Impressive bred and they all wear size 1 shoes lol.

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Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2014-03-29 1:30 AM
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SaraJean - 2014-03-28 2:49 PM

cheryl makofka - 2014-03-28 1:36 PM
foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.
Question could his size of feet be due to poor shoeing. In current time, I have seen many horses in too small of a shoe, and I have had farriers do the same to my horses.

YEP I've seen so many show horses crammed into tiny shoes creating a long narrow ugly hoof. My horse above has never been shod but his feet are BIG and healthy. 

ABSOLUTELY! MOST TIMES THIS IS A MAN MADE PROBLEM! PLUS I would dare say that most large horses still get shod with an 0 shoe.
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barrelracr131
Reg. Aug 2011
Posted 2014-03-29 5:25 AM
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 My horse does not have small feet

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AfleetEquine
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2014-03-29 7:43 AM
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My friend just bought one that is N/N of course.

I've only had the, errr, pleasure of coming into contact with two impressive horses. Both mares. Honestly, I wouldn't own one. One is starting to come around but both have just total witches. The mare he bought just had a baby. I've never met a foal soo scared of humans. On the other hand, she does seem to have the attitude to be a nice horse.
Time will tell. But both I've come in contact with have had a personality that I don't prefer.
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My horse has impressive twice way back on his mothers side. I'm hoping he will be my main barrel horse. He is N/N. If they are N/N they are normal like any other horse. His mother is also On a high, breeze bar and nuther dude bred. So much more blood to consider. He is all racing QH or TB otherwise. I will say the impressive made me stop and check his HYPP status on his papers - since he was N/N I didn't let it stop me.
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My horse is also the cutest, sweetest and handsomest boy! Lovely attitude! He has that inner drive to run too:)

Just adding I don't think my horses feet are small at all. He is barefoot so I couldn't tell you the shoe size lol

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foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.
HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive. I have 3 roan boys that are all your Impressive bred and they all wear size 1 shoes lol.

This is new news then? I haven't found anywhere on the internet that says HYPP is found anywhere else other than Impressive linage horses. 
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foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.
HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive. I have 3 roan boys that are all your Impressive bred and they all wear size 1 shoes lol.
This is new news then? I haven't found anywhere on the internet that says HYPP is found anywhere else other than Impressive linage horses. 

That's what I was going to ask. Of course it is found in other breeds as there are many that cross to AQHA horses.  But I have never heard that there are any other bloodlines that it is coming from.
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trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 1:26  HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive.

Really? Please educate us on your knowledge....other breeds, yes, because they have been crossed with Impressive bloodlines....but I would like to see your proof that it has been found in other "bloodlines".....  
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foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.
HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive. I have 3 roan boys that are all your Impressive bred and they all wear size 1 shoes lol.

This is new news then? I haven't found anywhere on the internet that says HYPP is found anywhere else other than Impressive linage horses. 

Hence, my point proved. Impressive is Patient 000 w/ HYPP. I will NOT be propagating any animal with THAT Genetic Defect!
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AfleetEquine - 2014-03-29 7:43 AM My friend just bought one that is N/N of course. I've only had the, errr, pleasure of coming into contact with two impressive horses. Both mares. Honestly, I wouldn't own one. One is starting to come around but both have just total witches. The mare he bought just had a baby. I've never met a foal soo scared of humans. On the other hand, she does seem to have the attitude to be a nice horse. Time will tell. But both I've come in contact with have had a personality that I don't prefer.

I have owned mares that where total witches and they had NO impressive in them.  Witches comes in all bloodlines, sizes and shapes.  I have a mare with Imppessive on one side, she is N/N  but she had a nice dispositon. 
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AfleetEquine - 2014-03-29 7:43 AM My friend just bought one that is N/N of course. I've only had the, errr, pleasure of coming into contact with two impressive horses. Both mares. Honestly, I wouldn't own one. One is starting to come around but both have just total witches. The mare he bought just had a baby. I've never met a foal soo scared of humans. On the other hand, she does seem to have the attitude to be a nice horse. Time will tell. But both I've come in contact with have had a personality that I don't prefer.

I have owned mares that where total witches and they had NO impressive in them.  Witches comes in all bloodlines, sizes and shapes.  I have a mare with Imppessive on one side, she is N/N  but she had a nice dispositon. 

I think she was pointing out that she had experience with 2 and both times it was negative. Doesn't mean they are all bad, but like my dealings with horses of that bloodline, and out of all different kinds of mares, it was not a positive experience. The post asks if we would ever buy one. I really would have to say I doubt it.
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foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.
Question could his size of feet be due to poor shoeing. In current time, I have seen many horses in too small of a shoe, and I have had farriers do the same to my horses.

I agree... my mare has Impressive in her SECOND generation. She has very thick nice bone, and her feet ARE FABULOUS! Wide, good angles, not flat, good heels... and she passes it to her colts. Her 5 yr old is in a size 1! I think it comes down to how and who Impressive is crossed on... Like mentioned my mare is crossed on old running bloodlines and even has DEPTH CHARGE on her face papers... so it was a good cross that created a fabulous animal!
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I have had an Impressive bred gelding years ago and got talked out of him by a roper friend that wanted him for a heading horse, I really like that horse and would buy another. I like the Impressive, I have no problems with them.  
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AfleetEquine - 2014-03-29 7:43 AM My friend just bought one that is N/N of course. I've only had the, errr, pleasure of coming into contact with two impressive horses. Both mares. Honestly, I wouldn't own one. One is starting to come around but both have just total witches. The mare he bought just had a baby. I've never met a foal soo scared of humans. On the other hand, she does seem to have the attitude to be a nice horse. Time will tell. But both I've come in contact with have had a personality that I don't prefer.

I have owned mares that where total witches and they had NO impressive in them.  Witches comes in all bloodlines, sizes and shapes.  I have a mare with Imppessive on one side, she is N/N  but she had a nice dispositon. 

I think she was pointing out that she had experience with 2 and both times it was negative. Doesn't mean they are all bad, but like my dealings with horses of that bloodline, and out of all different kinds of mares, it was not a positive experience. The post asks if we would ever buy one. I really would have to say I doubt it.

This is what I meant, thank you. I have come across plenty of grouchy, witchy, and / or gritty mares not related to this bloodline (in fact own one!) but have notice that the only two horses I've been in contact with from Impressive are this way.

It do feel as though a type of attitude can be passed from certain horses. I'm not saying all the impressive bred horses are this way, just what I've had experience with.
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If the price is right and I like the horse enough then yes... but they are hard to resell.
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trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 1:26  HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive.

Really? Please educate us on your knowledge....other breeds, yes, because they have been crossed with Impressive bloodlines....but I would like to see your proof that it has been found in other "bloodlines".....  

Get off a computer and ask a vet. A vet from an equine hospital, not a backwoods vet. HYPP is not exclusive to Impressive bred horses. You people and your intolerance of opposing opinions are obviously hell bent on your labels and opinions. Get off you high horse and educate yourselves. And if you aren't going to breed or support any breed with a genetic defect I certainly hope all your horses have had their 5 panels tests and are not PSSM positive. Let me guess, you only associate that with a certain bloodline too lol. Or maybe you haven't heard of it with your ur extensive equine research ;)

APHA even did an article on this. Contact them and call them and idiots. I personally was of the same opinion of you folks until a high profile equine vet informed me otherwise. As far as being on a HYPP bandwagon, I think it pales in comparison to PSSM. There is little known about it other that it definitely affects all horses. It is a much worse problem.

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Mine have all had hair pulled for the 5 panel and so far they are all coming in NEG.

Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like em
 
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Mine have all had hair pulled for the 5 panel and so far they are all coming in NEG.

Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like em
 

The biggest problem with Impressive bloodlines in my opinion is the fact that no matter what you tell me people or what research/information is available, they will always be associated with HYPP.
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I love Impressive horses. I love their work ethic and how smart they are. Would I knowingly purchase another one nope. It has nothing to do with HYPP either. I have owned 2 grandsons of Impressive and one ended up with navicular and the other foundered(we took him in after he foundered.) He did not founder due to weight or water or being worked to hard. I have a mare now that is a great granddaughter of Impressive whom I love. She was a breeze to break and pattern. She has navicular now at 14 years old and has shown symptoms for the past few years and this horse has been standing in pasture not being barrel raced since she was a 5 year old due to life. My 9 year old niece rides an Impressive gelding who is 8 years old now and Impressive is I know one generation off maybe 2 generations off his papers. He has his own goofy personality but for a kid I couldn't ask for a better horse. A good friend of mines mother has a gelding that is a great grandson of Impressive who also has navicular. My husband shoes horses and he has spoken with several different vets from backyard vets to vets at top vet clinics and some say it is genetic some say it is not. Some say it depends on what they are crossed with if they have the fine bone structure with the big bodies. For my peace of mind I would prefer to stay away from them. Every bloodline has their own set of issues. I've seen Beduino horses that are hot as firecrackers then some that don't want to run they would prefer just to mosey a long and ride the kids around. Horses are a gamble no matter what. All you can do is do your own research and decide what chances your willing to take. I've had two Moon Lark horses one was just not a people horse the other wanted to be right where all the people were. You just never know.
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trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 8:23 PM

NJJ - 2014-03-29 10:29 AM

trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 1:26  HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive.

Really? Please educate us on your knowledge....other breeds, yes, because they have been crossed with Impressive bloodlines....but I would like to see your proof that it has been found in other "bloodlines".....  

Get off a computer and ask a vet. A vet from an equine hospital, not a backwoods vet. HYPP is not exclusive to Impressive bred horses. You people and your intolerance of opposing opinions are obviously hell bent on your labels and opinions. Get off you high horse and educate yourselves. And if you aren't going to breed or support any breed with a genetic defect I certainly hope all your horses have had their 5 panels tests and are not PSSM positive. Let me guess, you only associate that with a certain bloodline too lol. Or maybe you haven't heard of it with your ur extensive equine research ;)

APHA even did an article on this. Contact them and call them and idiots. I personally was of the same opinion of you folks until a high profile equine vet informed me otherwise. As far as being on a HYPP bandwagon, I think it pales in comparison to PSSM. There is little known about it other that it definitely affects all horses. It is a much worse problem.

To my knowledge, Impressive and ONE Wiescamp mare are the only horses confirmed to pass on HYPP. What horses does your vet say pass on HYPP. I find this very interesting.
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I would like to know also. I love researching bloodlines. This is all I could come up with. Fact: Research has determined that HyPP is the result of a mutated gene that originated with the Quarter Horse stallion Impressive. Other Three Bars families are not involved.
I have HEARD by one vet that some vets will not say HYPP is caused by Impressive or that IMpressive horses can carry hypp but rather say that horses of a certain lineage carry HYPP. That is hear say though.
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I just noticed that my previous post wasn't showing up correctly.  Here's my great-grandson of Impressive, he wears a size 2 shoe and doesn't lack for size anywhere.

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CrossCreek - 2014-03-28 12:15 AM

 Looking at a 14.2 hand horse for my little boy, just found out she's got Impressive way back there...what kind of risk am i taking? She's just a cheap playday horse...

Have you got your answer yet?

I would say go for it, if the horse suits your needs, is safe, and your child loves the horse, those are worth their weight in gold. As many people say you can't ride the papers.

Just get a good vet check as anyone buying a broke horse should do and go from there.

Good luck on your search
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trotncowpony - 2014-03-29 1:26  HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive.

Really? Please educate us on your knowledge....other breeds, yes, because they have been crossed with Impressive bloodlines....but I would like to see your proof that it has been found in other "bloodlines".....  

Get off a computer and ask a vet. A vet from an equine hospital, not a backwoods vet. HYPP is not exclusive to Impressive bred horses. You people and your intolerance of opposing opinions are obviously hell bent on your labels and opinions. Get off you high horse and educate yourselves. And if you aren't going to breed or support any breed with a genetic defect I certainly hope all your horses have had their 5 panels tests and are not PSSM positive. Let me guess, you only associate that with a certain bloodline too lol. Or maybe you haven't heard of it with your ur extensive equine research ;)

APHA even did an article on this. Contact them and call them and idiots. I personally was of the same opinion of you folks until a high profile equine vet informed me otherwise. As far as being on a HYPP bandwagon, I think it pales in comparison to PSSM. There is little known about it other that it definitely affects all horses. It is a much worse problem.

To my knowledge, Impressive and ONE Wiescamp mare are the only horses confirmed to pass on HYPP. What horses does your vet say pass on HYPP. I find this very interesting.

It was not my vet. It was a vet that was doing a pre purchase exam on a cow horse I was selling. No Impressive near his bloodlines. He informed me that it had been found in warmbloods and several other breeds as well. They were demanding a test on my horse and when I told him he was not tested and did not need to be tested as he has no Impressive in his pedigree he enlightened me to this information. It was the first time I had heard it as well. He was a leading vet at a very big equine hospital. I personally feel that vet little is known about the genetic disorders we are aware of, so never say never.
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Mine have all had hair pulled for the 5 panel and so far they are all coming in NEG.

Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like em
 

In not upset that anyone does or doesn't like any bloodline. But to come off like a jerk is ridiculous. I personally don't judge a horse solely on pedigree. I judge the indivual.I don't see how you surmised that I'm mad and act like im being pushed to same opinion. Its not a matter of the opinion, its a matter of acting like a jerk when someone offers information. As I stated, I several very nice working horses that also show and are Impressive bred. I do think its pretty narrow minded to say all horses with a certain lineage are not good, perhaps a novice horse person would think otherwise. At any rate, the OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. Getting backlash from info an actual vet gave me is ignorant. I didn't come up with the theory, a doctor did. I'm sure his basis for doing so is warranted and his experience exceeds all that of any of us on here.

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Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like em
 
In not upset that anyone does or doesn't like any bloodline. But to come off like a jerk is ridiculous. I personally don't judge a horse solely on pedigree. I judge the indivual.I don't see how you surmised that I'm mad and act like im being pushed to same opinion. Its not a matter of the opinion, its a matter of acting like a jerk when someone offers information. As I stated, I several very nice working horses that also show and are Impressive bred. I do think its pretty narrow minded to say all horses with a certain lineage are not good, perhaps a novice horse person would think otherwise. At any rate, the OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. Getting backlash from info an actual vet gave me is ignorant. I didn't come up with the theory, a doctor did. I'm sure his basis for doing so is warranted and his experience exceeds all that of any of us on here.

I must be a narrow minded novice then. Because part of the Mission Statement of The AQHA (at one time) was the BETTERMENT of the American Quarter Horse Breed. Propagating a Known Genetic Defect is not bettering anything from the way I see things. But then again per your analysis I am narrow minded and a novice in the equine industry. So be your thoughts, which you are entitled to, but not MY money to help promote Genetic Defects!
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 Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses. 

I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. 
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Fairweather - 2014-03-30 8:05 PM  Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses. 



I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. 

Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk?
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Fairweather - 2014-03-30 8:05 PM  Intelligent horses always get a bad rap. Not everyone can deal with intelligent horses. 



I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. 

Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk?

If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.
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CrossCreek - 2014-03-28 12:15 AM  Looking at a 14.2 hand horse for my little boy, just found out she's got Impressive way back there...what kind of risk am i taking? She's just a cheap playday horse...
Have you got your answer yet? I would say go for it, if the horse suits your needs, is safe, and your child loves the horse, those are worth their weight in gold. As many people say you can't ride the papers. Just get a good vet check as anyone buying a broke horse should do and go from there. Good luck on your search

Agree, if you like the mare and shes a good horse for your son, I say go for it too.  
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I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. 
Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk?
If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.

Now bear with me here. W/O Genetic Testing, One does not know if an Impressive bred horse is N/N or N/H. Had Impressive not been propagated, there would be no need of Genetic Testing now would there. HYPP has been specifically traced back to Impressive which is Genetic Defect. Why propagate a Known Genetic Defect?
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Why are you upset that they don't like Impressive just because you do? You are mad with the ones that don't like him and yet act like they are pushing you to the same opinion. It's a big world, full of lots of horses. I have A LOT of Beduino in my herd. You can tell me all day long the reasons you hate them and it won't bug me a bit. I like em
 
The biggest problem with Impressive bloodlines in my opinion is the fact that no matter what you tell me people or what research/information is available, they will always be associated with HYPP.

Some of my dislike for them is the ones that are halter bred to actually be shown to halter. Those aren't horses, they are aliens of the horse world. For what I need a horse for, they would be misarable to ride and they would be crippled in a week. They aren't bred to be a riding horse. I also don't like the idea of the HYPP whether they are neg or not. I kind of feel the same as foundation horse. I hate to support a genetic defect...even if it is a gelding. I feel similar to cloned bloodlines. I will never say never as I did mention the one roan colt I may get to ride. I say "get to" because he is by my race bred stallion and has a personality that I just adore and the Impressive is so far back it is off his grand dam's papers.

As I have said before, my biggest issue was with the ones I rode, because I do have experince riding them. They were cheaters, heartless and most plain nasty. Most of these were from Ima Cool Skip, but I have rode pleny of others from different Impressive lines to know they don't normally have what I want in a horse-has nothing to do with Impressive except for the fact that all the heartless ones etc did trace to him in one way or another. I have ridden plenty of others that I didn't like as well, of other bloodlines (Duel Pep, Reminic etc). Great for those that do like to ride them and own a dream horse, that is honestly great!
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I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. 
Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk?
If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.

Now bear with me here. W/O Genetic Testing, One does not know if an Impressive bred horse is N/N or N/H. Had Impressive not been propagated, there would be no need of Genetic Testing now would there. HYPP has been specifically traced back to Impressive which is Genetic Defect. Why propagate a Known Genetic Defect?

all papered Impressive horses are tested so there is no "without testing" because it has to happen if you want papers. If you buy/ breed a horse that n/n you are indeed "bettering" the Quarter Horse breed (not spreading the defect in any way). So basically if we all just keep buying/ breeding n/n horses we are "bettering" the breed. If you don't want to, fine we get it. Again, and again, and again.
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I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. 
Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk?
If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.

Now bear with me here. W/O Genetic Testing, One does not know if an Impressive bred horse is N/N or N/H. Had Impressive not been propagated, there would be no need of Genetic Testing now would there. HYPP has been specifically traced back to Impressive which is Genetic Defect. Why propagate a Known Genetic Defect?

all papered Impressive horses are tested so there is no "without testing" because it has to happen if you want papers. If you buy/ breed a horse that n/n you are indeed "bettering" the Quarter Horse breed (not spreading the defect in any way). So basically if we all just keep buying/ breeding n/n horses we are "bettering" the breed. If you don't want to, fine we get it. Again, and again, and again.

I dont have a dog in this fight but I think the point trying to be made is because people continued to breed impressive horses, it resulted in horses WITH HYPP which is not bettering the breed and you are knowingly taking that risk which is essentially unnessesary.

There are so many horses out there without genetic disorders, why continue to make more or potentially make more?
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I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM?

Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?

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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-31 1:05 AM

I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM?

Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?


I am not as familiar with either. However, it is my understanding that PSSM can be managed also. But I do feel the same way. Knowingly reproducing horses with genetic defect is something I dont agree with.
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foundation horse - 2014-03-28 1:56 PM No. I know I am most likely going against the grain on this thread. But Oh Well, That is the Way I roll! hehehhehehe I am not going to propagate a Bloodline that has genetic problems to begin with and then add in the FACT that Impressive's feet were a size O or OO for a 1200 lb animal. Ain't no way no how I will propagating something like that in My Band of Horses or on My Place.
HYPP has been found in several bloodlines and several breeds. It is not exclusive to Impressive. I have 3 roan boys that are all your Impressive bred and they all wear size 1 shoes lol.

" To date, confirmed cases of HYPP have been restricted to descendants of this horse."

From the UC Davis Website.


http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/hypp.php 
 
Hyperkalemic Periodic Paralysis (HYPP)
Introduction

Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis (HYPP) is an inherited disease of the muscle which is caused by a genetic defect. In the muscle of affected horses, a point mutation exists in the sodium channel gene and is passed on to offspring.

Sodium channels are "pores" in the muscle cell membrane which control contraction of the muscle fibers. When the defective sodium channel gene is present, the channel becomes "leaky" and makes the muscle overly excitable and contract involuntarily. The channel becomes "leaky" when potassium levels fluctuate in the blood. This may occur with fasting followed by consumption of a high potassium feed such as alfalfa. Hyperkalemia, which is an excessive amount of potassium in the blood, causes the muscles in the horse to contract more readily than normal. This makes the horse susceptible to sporadic episodes of muscle tremors or paralysis.

This genetic defect has been identified in descendents of the American Quarter Horse sire, Impressive. The original genetic defect causing HYPP was a natural mutation that occurred as part of the evolutionary process. The majority of such mutations, which are constantly occurring, are not compatible with survival. However, the genetic mutation causing HYPP produced a functional, yet altered, sodium ion channel. This gene mutation is not a product of inbreeding. The gene mutation causing HYPP inadvertently became widespread when breeders sought to produce horses with heavy musculature. To date, confirmed cases of HYPP have been restricted to descendants of this horse.

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Detailed HYPP Information

Symptoms and Signs of the Disease

Homozygous horses are affected more severely than heterozygous horses. Under ideal management practices, the defective gene does not appear to have adverse effects, but stress and/or increased potassium in the serum can trigger clinical signs of muscle dysfunction. Why some horses manifest severe signs of the disease and other exhibit little or no signs is unknown and currently under investigation. Unfortunately, a horse carrying the defective gene but showing minimal signs has the same chance of passing the gene to future generations as does the affected horse with severe signs.

HYPP is characterized by sporadic attacks of muscle tremors (shaking or trembling), weakness and/or collapse. Attacks can also be accompanied by loud breathing noises resulting from paralysis of the muscles of the upper airway. Occasionally, sudden death can occur following a severe paralytic attack, presumably from heart failure or respiratory muscle paralysis.

Attacks of HYPP can take various forms and commonly have been confused with other conditions. Because of the muscle tremors and weakness, HYPP often resembles exertional rhabdomyolysis ("tying-up" syndrome). "Tying-up" syndrome can be caused by many different circumstances, including exercising a horse beyond the capacity to which it has been trained, as well as nutritional deficiencies and metabolic diseases. A distinguishing feature of HYPP from "tying-up" syndrome is that horses usually appear normal following an attack of HYPP. Horses with "tying-up" syndrome, on the other hand, tend to have a stiff gait and painful, firm muscles of the hind limbs, rump and/or back. "Tying-up" syndrome is also generally associated with some type of exercise. HYPP, by contrast, is not usually associated with exercise, but occurs when horses are at rest, at feeding time, or following a stressful event such as transport, feed changes, or concurrent illness.

Because a horse may be down and reluctant or unable to stand during an HYPP attack, many owners have thought their horses were experiencing colic. HYPP has also been confused with seizures due to the pronounced muscle trembling and collapse. Unlike seizures and other conditions that cause fainting, horses with HYPP are conscious and aware of their surroundings during an attack and do not appear to be in pain. Respiratory conditions and choking have also been confused with HYPP because some horses make loud breathing noises during an attack.

Causes of an Attack

Environmental factors can actually cause an attack of muscle weakness. Owners of HYPP-positive horses should be aware that external stimulus and events could increase the chance of paralysis onset. These factors include dietary changes, fasting, general anesthesia, and concurrent illness and exercise restriction.

Prevention and Control of HYPP Attacks

Dietary management is extremely important in the management of affected horses. Dietary adjustments include (1) avoiding high potassium feeds such as alfalfa hay, brome hay, canola oil, soybean meal or oil, and sugar molasses and beet molasses, and replacing them with timothy or Bermuda grass hay, grains such as oats, corn, wheat and barley, and beet pulp; (2) feeding several times a day; and (3) exercising regularly and/or being allowed frequent access to a large paddock or yard. Due to the high water content of pasture grass, a horse is unlikely to consume large amounts of potassium in a short period of time if kept on pasture. If the horse is experiencing problems on its present diet, it is recommended to feed a diet containing between 0.6% and 1.5% total potassium concentrations.

Several drugs have been used for prevention of clinical episodes of paralysis. Horses have been treated with either acetazolamide (2-4 mg/kg orally, every 8 to 12 hours) or hydrochlorthiazide (0.5-1 mg/kg orally, every 12 hours) with apparent success. These agents exert their effects through different mechanisms; however, both cause increased renal potassium ATPase activity. Acetazolamide has been shown to stabilize blood glucose and potassium by stimulating insulin secretion. Breed registries have restrictions on the use of these drugs during competitions (some require a veterinary certificate).

Inform your veterinarian of the HYPP condition prior to any general anesthesia, as this may precipitate an episode of paralysis. If your horse is receiving medication, maintain him or her on therapy before and after surgery or anesthesia. Use common sense while hauling and be sure to stop and water horses frequently (every two hours).

During a severe attack of HYPP, emergency treatment from a veterinarian is necessary. For long term therapy, many horses can be managed by exercise and diet control alone. Regular exercise and access to a large paddock or pasture is preferred over stall confinement. Maintain a regular feeding schedule, preferably equally spaced, two to three times per day. Avoid rapid changes in feed, such as bringing a horse off pasture grass and immediately switching to alfalfa hay. Most horses improve when the potassium content in the diet is decreased.

Inheritance and Transmission of HYPP

HYPP is inherited as an autosomal dominant trait, which means it can occur in both males and females and only one copy of the gene is required to produce the disease. The trait is inherited from generation to generation with equal frequency; it does not get "diluted" out or skip generations. Breeding an affected heterozygous horse (N/H) to an affected heterozygous horse (N/H) will result in approximately 50% carrying the defective gene (N/H), approximately 25% will be normal (N/N) and approximately 25% will be homozygous carriers (H/H). Breeding an affected heterozygous horse (N/H) to a normal horse (N/N) will result in approximately 50% normal offspring and approximately 50% carrying the defective gene (N/H).

Expected Breeding Outcomes
N/H x N/H have 25% chance of producing normal offspring, 50% chance of producing heterozygous carriers and 25% chance of producing homozygote offspring N/H x N/N have 50% chance of producing normal (NN) offspring and 50% chance of producing carriers (NH).
  N H   N H
N 25% NN 25% NH N 50% NN 50% NH
H 25% NH 25% HH  

Breeding an affected homozygote (H/H) will result in all offspring carrying the defective gene regardless of the status of the other parent.

Myths about HYPP

Some people have felt that the disease can be diluted out and not carried to distant generations. This is false because an affected horse has just as much chance to pass on the trait as the affected parent which passed the gene to him. Some people also believe the horse will "grow out of it." This is not true. For unknown reasons, attacks of HYPP tend to occur most often at the beginning of intense training and fitting for shows (age three to seven years old). It is important to realize that horses with HYPP are affected for life. It is possible that older horses do not experience the same conditioning stresses as young horses or owners have discovered the best management strategies for the older horses with HYPP.

Some people also think that if a horse does not show any signs up to a certain age, it does not carry the trait. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Once again, horses with HYPP are affected for life. There was a stallion and a broodmare with HYPP who did not show signs of the disease until age eight and 15, and both horses only experienced one isolated attack.

Owners and breeders of affected horses should inform prospective buyers of the management constraints these horses have and the potential for future episodes of HYPP.

Which Horses Should Be Tested for HYPP?

As noted above, the DNA based test for HYPP identifies the specific genetic mutation which we now know exists in descendants of "Impressive". We presently do not know whether different genetic mutations in other bloodlines also cause HYPP, and the DNA test will not identify other such mutations. Further scientific research is required as to other bloodlines. We presently recommend that all descendants of "Impressive" be tested for diagnostic, treatment and breeding purposes.

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I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. 
Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk?
If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.
Now bear with me here. W/O Genetic Testing, One does not know if an Impressive bred horse is N/N or N/H. Had Impressive not been propagated, there would be no need of Genetic Testing now would there. HYPP has been specifically traced back to Impressive which is Genetic Defect. Why propagate a Known Genetic Defect?

The OP isn't "propagating" anything.  She's asking about an existing horse that she would like to go try.  This isn't a question of reproduction.  
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-31 1:05 AM

I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM?

Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?


I absolutely adore King P234 and most of His Get. However, I will NOT have anything to do w/ Poco Bueno due to Herda. So, Yes I am consistent.

Now, here is an analogy for those in the Cow Business. Say, One has a Bull who is a who wonderful Herd Breeding Bull, but with one exception, he throws a 'three eyed' calve every other breeding. Would Cow Breeders continue to propagate this specific Bull's Bloodline? Now apply the same logic to Impressive.
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-31 12:05 AM I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM? Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?

PSSM can be managed and HERDA is so much more rare. As for breeding, I would stay away from these lines just as much. I have tested everything that I breed for the 5-Panel. Now my show horse goes to Poco Bueno 5 times. I really didn't know much about his lines when I bought him. I knew his sire had tested NEG on the 5 panel. With the PSSM popping up every where I did the test for PSSM1 and he is NEG. Since he is a gelding and his sire is NEG for HERDA I don't worry about that, BUT for re-sale purposes, I am also going to do a 5 Panel on him because I know it will be asked in the event I offer him for sale. 
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-31 1:05 AM

I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM?

Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?


I absolutely adore King P234 and most of His Get. However, I will NOT have anything to do w/ Poco Bueno due to Herda. So, Yes I am consistent.

Now, here is an analogy for those in the Cow Business. Say, One has a Bull who is a who wonderful Herd Breeding Bull, but with one exception, he throws a 'three eyed' calve every other breeding. Would Cow Breeders continue to propagate this specific Bull's Bloodline? Now apply the same logic to Impressive.

Foundation horse I respect your opinion on a lot of things but this just seems weird. IF they test negative for everything why wouldn't you try it? You may be missing out on some great crosses. I don't agree with breeding carriers but if they don't have it go for it.
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-31 1:05 AM I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM? Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?
I absolutely adore King P234 and most of His Get. However, I will NOT have anything to do w/ Poco Bueno due to Herda. So, Yes I am consistent. Now, here is an analogy for those in the Cow Business. Say, One has a Bull who is a who wonderful Herd Breeding Bull, but with one exception, he throws a 'three eyed' calve every other breeding. Would Cow Breeders continue to propagate this specific Bull's Bloodline? Now apply the same logic to Impressive.

Well.....on the cattle end of things. There are several genetic defects in the Angus breed and yes, people in the business are still heavily using these lines. No different than horses. Those who care about quality in their programs have tested & removed carriers from their herds, others have not. 
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I love them and I just gave away 2 heavily bred Impressive bred horses that I absolutely loved. Give them a job they liked and didn't get bored with and you couldn't find a better working horse. Great work ethic but you had to earn it. 
Frances, intelligence and genetics are two completely different entirely things. I am not doubting that there are intelligent Impressive Bred Horses. I am stating that Impressive Bred Horses are a KNOWN Genetic Risk. Why propagate a KNOWN Genetic Risk?
If the horses are double negative there is no risk, I'm not sure what your point is.
Now bear with me here. W/O Genetic Testing, One does not know if an Impressive bred horse is N/N or N/H. Had Impressive not been propagated, there would be no need of Genetic Testing now would there. HYPP has been specifically traced back to Impressive which is Genetic Defect. Why propagate a Known Genetic Defect?
The OP isn't "propagating" anything.  She's asking about an existing horse that she would like to go try.  This isn't a question of reproduction.  

 
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I am posting this from Medline Plus, tho you can google and find many articles in the same vein - and for the purpose to clarify that HYPP is NOT exclusively equine. Also, although it is definitively genetic and attached to Impressive, I have known another Lucky Bars son that was HYPP positive.



Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis



Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis is a disorder that involves occasional episodes of muscle weakness and, sometimes, higher than normal levels of potassium in the blood.

It is one of a group of genetic disorders that includes hypokalemic periodic paralysis and thyrotoxic periodic paralysis.

Causes

Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis is congenital, which means it is present from before birth. In most cases, it is passed down through families (inherited) as an autosomal dominant disorder. That means only one parent needs to pass the gene related to this condition on to you in order for you to be affected.

Occasionally, the condition may be the result of a genetic problem that is not passed down through families.

It is believed that the disorder is related to problems with the way the body controls sodium and potassium levels in cells.

Risk factors include a family history of periodic paralysis. The condition occurs in approximately 1 in every 100,000 people. It affects men more often than women.





To the OP: if you like the horse then try it.
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The Impressive gelding I know isn't a barrel horse (far from it in fact, great moving western pleasure horse), but he has the greatest mind and is completely bombproof, very sensitive under saddle, but very good with kids. And he's an Appaloosa, so that makes it even more surprising, haha. He is 4 or 5 generations back though.
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Alicat0909 - 2014-03-31 1:05 AM I dont really have a dog in this fight but for curiosities sake do you hold the same stance on every known genetic mutation...such as HERDA or PSSM? Im probably wrong but isnt HYPP the ONLY disease that can be managed by diet and exercise?
I absolutely adore King P234 and most of His Get. However, I will NOT have anything to do w/ Poco Bueno due to Herda. So, Yes I am consistent. Now, here is an analogy for those in the Cow Business. Say, One has a Bull who is a who wonderful Herd Breeding Bull, but with one exception, he throws a 'three eyed' calve every other breeding. Would Cow Breeders continue to propagate this specific Bull's Bloodline? Now apply the same logic to Impressive.
Well.....on the cattle end of things. There are several genetic defects in the Angus breed and yes, people in the business are still heavily using these lines. No different than horses. Those who care about quality in their programs have tested & removed carriers from their herds, others have not. 

I can vouch for Sara about the Angus industry as well as the Short Horns ... both have things like this going on.  Breeders with ethics and quality ideals move away from the genetic "defects".  They also test and if something is the equivalent of N/N, that heifer/bull is considered breeding sound and they move on in most cases.  This is just a generalization 

 The OP is looking to buy a N/N (I think I read that correctly) horse for her child and is not talking about breeding it.  Go for it if you like the horse.

 However, this industry (equine) as a whole has more emphasis on profit than genetic clarity and ethics - yes this is a generalization.  We've all seen those backyard stallions who shouldn't be stallions - that is no different that people propagating a N/H carrier.  The genetic disease does not go away - the animal is a carrier, don't freaking breed it. Just like that backyard stallion, don't breed it. 
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Just to add some clarity to the genetic issue.  

HYPP Dominant
PSSM1 Dominant
MH Dominant
HERDA Recessive
GBED Recessive

All dominants only require one copy of the gene to be afflicted and to pass it on to their offspring (50% of the time) who are themselves afflicted.  

All recessives - one copy means they are a carriers and are not afflicted with the disease. But they will pass on the carrier status to 50% of their offspring. If two carriers are bred to each other, they statistically will have 25% afflicted (two copies of the recessive) 50% carrier status and 25% non carrier.  


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I bought a horse out of Texas who is built like a Sherman tank, ropes, ranch works, laid back and moves beautifully. They were selling as grade, but I insisted there had to be papers on him, he was just too good looking! There was a registration and the papers were at the ranch HQ 200 miles away. I found out after I bought him he goes back to impressive 3 times. After my initial heart attack, I called AQHA and confirmed he was registered and is HYPP N/N. I tell you what, he is damn nice.
I find the lack of knowledge astounding. For example; I had a registered Thoroughbred mare that had a Stud named Impressive on her bloodline, COMPLETELY unrelated to AQHA Impressive. The lady said she was leery based off of a name and when she said that, I refused her a sale at ANY price, for ANY horse. Back to AQHA, if the horse is N/N it is a NORMAL horse and does NOT carry the gene. Some folks are just not that sharp.

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I would NOT buy an Impressive bred horse. It does not seem to bother some people though because a friend of mine has a son of Perksmaster out of a granddaughter of Impressive who won the AQHA WORLD SHOW in Sr. Barrels. She also did extremely well at the Ft Smith Futurity with the horse as a 4 year old. There is a teenage girl that runs in E TX that can beat everyone by 3-4 tenths of a second on A streak Of Fling horse out of an Impressive mare. A neighbor has a team roping horse that he has won more than a few trucks and trailers with that is Impressive bred and is HYPP positive. I think he told me that it costs him about $1000 a month to keep the horse where he can ride him. He has the means to do this so it doesn't really bother him. I guess it all boils down to the horse.

Two facts---there was a Wiescamp mare that had some offspring that had HYPP. Impressive was no the only horse that passed on the trait.

If HYPP was a dominate trait ALL of the offspring that goes back to Impressive would have HYPP. It is definitely recessive.
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Honeymoney - 2014-09-08 12:23 PM I would NOT buy an Impressive bred horse. It does not seem to bother some people though because a friend of mine has a son of Perksmaster out of a granddaughter of Impressive who won the AQHA WORLD SHOW in Sr. Barrels. She also did extremely well at the Ft Smith Futurity with the horse as a 4 year old. There is a teenage girl that runs in E TX that can beat everyone by 3-4 tenths of a second on A streak Of Fling horse out of an Impressive mare. A neighbor has a team roping horse that he has won more than a few trucks and trailers with that is Impressive bred and is HYPP positive. I think he told me that it costs him about $1000 a month to keep the horse where he can ride him. He has the means to do this so it doesn't really bother him. I guess it all boils down to the horse. Two facts---there was a Wiescamp mare that had some offspring that had HYPP. Impressive was no the only horse that passed on the trait. If HYPP was a dominate trait ALL of the offspring that goes back to Impressive would have HYPP. It is definitely recessive.
 Not true.. in the genetics world, the definition of dominant is:  it only takes one allele to be expressed in the phenotype.  So you can breed a H/H to an N/N.. getting an N/H that can express the trait.  HYPP is a dominant trait.  

Also in genetics the dominant trait is expressed with a capital letter "H" and the recessive trait with a lower case letter "h".. so another giveaway it is dominant is the genetic display of H/H, N/H, or N/N.

 

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Honeymoney - 2014-09-08 10:23 AM I would NOT buy an Impressive bred horse. It does not seem to bother some people though because a friend of mine has a son of Perksmaster out of a granddaughter of Impressive who won the AQHA WORLD SHOW in Sr. Barrels. She also did extremely well at the Ft Smith Futurity with the horse as a 4 year old. There is a teenage girl that runs in E TX that can beat everyone by 3-4 tenths of a second on A streak Of Fling horse out of an Impressive mare. A neighbor has a team roping horse that he has won more than a few trucks and trailers with that is Impressive bred and is HYPP positive. I think he told me that it costs him about $1000 a month to keep the horse where he can ride him. He has the means to do this so it doesn't really bother him. I guess it all boils down to the horse. Two facts---there was a Wiescamp mare that had some offspring that had HYPP. Impressive was no the only horse that passed on the trait. If HYPP was a dominate trait ALL of the offspring that goes back to Impressive would have HYPP. It is definitely recessive.

Impressive himself was N/H.  Meaning of the 2 genes he had on that spot of his DNA he would pass on the H (positive for HYPP) 50% of the time.  The other 50% of the time he would pass on the N meaning the Non-HYPP gene.  So roughly half of his offspring had HYPP and half did not.  That's what dominant means to the offspring of a horse.  The effect of having a positive domiant gene, is that it only takes one to be affected and to pass it forward.  

I would not be afraid of an N/N HYPP horse as they are not affected by the mutated gene.  However, just because they don't have HYPP doesn't mean they can't have a different undesirable gene or characteristic.  
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ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-09-08 12:32 PM

Honeymoney - 2014-09-08 12:23 PM I would NOT buy an Impressive bred horse. It does not seem to bother some people though because a friend of mine has a son of Perksmaster out of a granddaughter of Impressive who won the AQHA WORLD SHOW in Sr. Barrels. She also did extremely well at the Ft Smith Futurity with the horse as a 4 year old. There is a teenage girl that runs in E TX that can beat everyone by 3-4 tenths of a second on A streak Of Fling horse out of an Impressive mare. A neighbor has a team roping horse that he has won more than a few trucks and trailers with that is Impressive bred and is HYPP positive. I think he told me that it costs him about $1000 a month to keep the horse where he can ride him. He has the means to do this so it doesn't really bother him. I guess it all boils down to the horse. Two facts---there was a Wiescamp mare that had some offspring that had HYPP. Impressive was no the only horse that passed on the trait. If HYPP was a dominate trait ALL of the offspring that goes back to Impressive would have HYPP. It is definitely recessive.
 Not true.. in the genetics world, the definition of dominant is:  it only takes one allele to be expressed in the phenotype.  So you can breed a H/H to an N/N.. getting an N/H that can express the trait.  HYPP is a dominant trait.  

Also in genetics the dominant trait is expressed with a capital letter "H" and the recessive trait with a lower case letter "h".. so another giveaway it is dominant is the genetic display of H/H, N/H, or N/N.

 

Just for curiosity, have you ever done a Punnett square with dominate and recessive genes??? I teach it.

Tried to copy just the square but this has some good info.

Probability of Inheritance


The value of studying genetics is in understanding how we can predict the likelihood of inheriting particular traits. This can help plant and animal breeders in developing varieties that have more desirable qualities. It can also help people explain and predict patterns of inheritance in family lines.

One of the easiest ways to calculate the mathematical probability of inheriting a specific trait was invented by an early 20th century English geneticist named Reginald Punnett click this icon to hear the preceding name pronounced. His technique employs what we now call a Punnett square. This is a simple graphical way of discovering all of the potential combinations of genotypes that can occur in children, given the genotypes of their parents. It also shows us the odds of each of the offspring genotypes occurring.

Setting up and using a Punnett square is quite simple once you understand how it works. You begin by drawing a grid of perpendicular lines:

basic Punnett square grid framework--essentially the beginning of tick-tack-toe game box

Next, you put the genotype of one parent across the top and that of the other parent down the left side. For example, if parent pea plant genotypes were YY and GG respectively, the setup would be:

Punnett square with the genotype of one parent on the top with one letter in each square and the genotype of the other parent on the left side with one letter in each square

Note that only one letter goes in each box for the parents. It does not matter which parent is on the side or the top of the Punnett square.

Next, all you have to do is fill in the boxes by copying the row and column-head letters across or down into the empty squares. This gives us the predicted frequency of all of the potential genotypes among the offspring each time reproduction occurs.

same as the previous Punnett square but with the expected genotype frequencies of offspring are indicated in the 4 empty squares on the lower right

In this example, 100% of the offspring will likely be heterozygous (YG). Since the Y (yellow) allele is dominant over the G (green) allele for pea plants, 100% of the YG offspring will have a yellow phenotype, as Mendel observed in his breeding experiments.

In another example (shown below), if the parent plants both have heterozygous (YG) genotypes, there will be 25% YY, 50% YG, and 25% GG offspring on average. These percentages are determined based on the fact that each of the 4 offspring boxes in a Punnett square is 25% (1 out of 4). As to phenotypes, 75% will be Y and only 25% will be G. These will be the odds every time a new offspring is conceived by parents with YG genotypes.

Punnett square with both parents heterozygous (YG) showing that the offspring probablities are 25% YY, 50% YG, and 25% GG

An offspring's genotype is the result of the combination of genes in the sex cells or gametes (sperm and ova) that came together in its conception. One sex cell came from each parent. Sex cells normally only have one copy of the gene for each trait (e.g., one copy of the Y or G form of the gene in the example above). Each of the two Punnett square boxes in which the parent genes for a trait are placed (across the top or on the left side) actually represents one of the two possible genotypes for a parent sex cell. Which of the two parental copies of a gene is inherited depends on which sex cell is inherited--it is a matter of chance. By placing each of the two copies in its own box has the effect of giving it a 50% chance of being inherited.

If you are not yet clear about how to make a Punnett Square and interpret its result, take the time to try to figure it out before going on.


Are Punnett Squares Just Academic Games?

Why is it important for you to know about Punnett squares? The answer is that they can be used as predictive tools when considering having children. Let us assume, for instance, that both you and your mate are carriers for a particularly unpleasant genetically inherited disease such as cystic fibrosis click this icon to hear the preceding name pronounced. Of course, you are worried about whether your children will be healthy and normal. For this example, let us define "A" as being the dominant normal allele and "a" as the recessive abnormal one that is responsible for cystic fibrosis. As carriers, you and your mate are both heterozygous (Aa). This disease only afflicts those who are homozygous recessive (aa). The Punnett square below makes it clear that at each birth, there will be a 25% chance of you having a normal homozygous (AA) child, a 50% chance of a healthy heterozygous (Aa) carrier child like you and your mate, and a 25% chance of a homozygous recessive (aa) child who probably will eventually die from this condition.

Punnett square with both parents heterozygous (Aa) If both parents are carriers of the recessive
allele for a disorder, all of their children will
face the following odds of inheriting it:
25% chance of having the recessive disorder
50% chance of being a healthy carrier
25% chance of being healthy and not have
the recessive allele at all
If a carrier (Aa) for such a recessive disease mates with someone who has it (aa), the likelihood of their children also inheriting the condition is far greater (as shown below). On average, half of the children will be heterozygous (Aa) and, therefore, carriers. The remaining half will inherit 2 recessive alleles (aa) and develop the disease.

Punnett square with heterozygous (Aa) and homozygous recessive parents (aa) If one parent is a carrier and the other has a
recessive disorder, their children will have the
following odds of inheriting it:
50% chance of being a healthy carrier
50% chance having the recessive disorder
It is likely that every one of us is a carrier for a large number of recessive alleles. Some of these alleles can cause life-threatening defects if they are inherited from both parents. In addition to cystic fibrosis, albinism, and beta-thalassemia are recessive disorders.

Some disorders are caused by dominant alleles for genes. Inheriting just one copy of such a dominant allele will cause the disorder. This is the case with Huntington disease, achondroplastic dwarfism, and polydactyly. People who are heterozygous (Aa) are not healthy carriers. They have the disorder just like homozygous dominant (AA) individuals.

Punnett square with heterozygous (Aa) and homozygous recessive parents (aa) If only one parent has a single copy of a
dominant allele for a dominant disorder,
their children will have a 50% chance of
inheriting the disorder and 50% chance
of being entirely normal.
Punnett squares are standard tools used by genetic counselors. Theoretically, the likelihood of inheriting many traits, including useful ones, can be predicted using them. It is also possible to construct squares for more than one trait at a time. However, some traits are not inherited with the simple mathematical probability suggested here. We will explore some of these exceptions in the next section of the tutorial.










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ACEINTHEHOLE
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Yes I have.  I am a registered RVT with a Animal Science back ground.  Below is the Punnett Square for HYPP, all capital letters.. means a dominant trait.  Also per the Animal Genetics newsletter.... "HYPP is a dominant disorder meaning both homozygous positive (HH) and heterozygous (nH) horses will be affected. Only homozygous negative (nn) horses are not affected by HYPP.  Because HYPP is dominant disorder, the effects of it can also be transposed to other breeds of horses when intermixing occurs. This makes the recognition of this disorder very important in preserving the inherited health of all horses."  Your assesment that HYPP is a recessive gene is incorrect.

 

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Wow this is an older thread, I wonder why it was brought back up, oh well, now its up on the front page now, just wondering if the OP bought this mare for her son? Does anybody know?
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Just curious- how is testing done and how much does it cost? How do you find out where they do it.
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shopnpro - 2014-09-08 1:36 PM Just curious- how is testing done and how much does it cost? How do you find out where they do it.

You pull hair with the roots on.  If the horse is AQHA you want to get a kit from them to put the hair in and send to U C Davis.  If the horse is some other breed you can send the hair to Animal Genetics.   
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I have had 3 top notch 1d barrel horses that were impressive all N/N.   So to answer your question......Yes I would absolutely have another as long as they are N/N
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Absolutely!! Anyone that culls a horse based on it being Impressive bred is missing out. There are so amazing Impressive bred horses.
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I have had two and ridden two for others. Of the two I owned, the first was my all around show horse (pleasure, HUS, EQ, HSMP, SWMP) and he was a GRANDSON of impressive, his name was Carmen's Impression. He was beautiful and talented, I showed him for 8 years until he was 21, then I wanted to get into barrel racing. He was honest, sweet, hard working and versatile. He also had good bone and good sized feet! The only maintenance needed were hock injections, that comes with most aged show horses. I don't know if he was n/h or n/n, when I started showing him, 22 years ago they didn't test. He never showed signs or symptoms... The last one I owned was a great granddaughter on the dam's side. She was a heck of a mare as well, very versatile. A solid win you money every week 3d barrel horse and show HUS with the best of them. Quiet, laidback, not marish AT ALL and sound as the day was long. Also, very good bone and amazing feet. She was n/n. The other two I rode both were really intelligent and talented, again both good bone and atheletic. So, yes, I would never hesitate in buying one, matter of fact when I see that name on papers, I perk up.  
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 ABSOLUTELY!! I have been riding my Impressive horse for the past 7 years and he is hands down the best horse I have ever thrown a leg over!!



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LOVE LOVE LOVE Impressive bred mares! Gritty, smart, wicked fast & loyal & PRETTY ! Absolutely would own another.
 
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