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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
  
Location: PNW | So back in January, I sold a trophy saddle to a local girl from my area - just because it didn't fit my horse. She rode in it, she loved it, she bought it - and because I know her pretty well and she's a young gal working hard, she's been making monthly payments. She's ALMOST got it half paid off.
Then she texts me today saying that the tree is "warped" and it doesn't fit her horse.
Whose fault is this? What would you do? If I had any thoughts there was something WRONG with the saddle I would have just set it in my office to look at. I feel bad, but I sure don't want it back... |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | shes had it a few months... a lot can happen in this time. |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | Can trees even warp? I mean, this isn't a junk saddle - it's a Cactus, not a Double T. Lol
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Location: British Columbia | That's a crummy situation, but you should be paid out the rest of what she owes you. I will never let anything go on a payment plan because of things like this. After 6 months, it's kind of a you break it you buy it deal. I would expect my money. 
Edited by TMEquine 2014-03-29 11:59 PM
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I'm guessing it all depends on the care it's given. It fit her horse before right? Even so I would make her pay the remaining... She likely should take it up with the saddle company though |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | TMEquine - 2014-03-29 11:56 PM
That's a crummy situation, but you should be paid out the rest of what she owes you. I will never let a anything go on a payment plan because of things like this. After 6 months, it's kind of a you break it you buy it deal. I would expect my money.
I DO expect my money. Lol. I just want to make sure I'm right in doing so. I feel like it's been four months and it just NOW doesn't fit? It probably didn't for when she bought it - but I feel like that's not my fault either. When I buy a saddle I'm super picky and aware of how my horse moves and feels and everything - WHEN I TRY IT OUT |
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Location: PNW | She says now it's too tight on him. Which maybe it for when she bought it - then as he got fitter and gained muscle it got too tight? I don't know....
I feel badly about it, but.... |
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Location: British Columbia | You're not a bad person for wanting your money. She's in the wrong for taking advantage of the situation. |
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Location: PNW | ndiehl - 2014-03-30 12:00 AM
I'm guessing it all depends on the care it's given. It fit her horse before right? Even so I would make her pay the remaining... She likely should take it up with the saddle company though
I honestly have no clue about the original fit. I dropped it off with her, went and ran a few errands, when I went back to pick it up she said she loved it. I never saw it on the horse. |
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| IMO it should not take 3 months to figure out if a saddle fits a horse.
That is something you can figure out in one to two rides...or at least within a week.
I am going through the process of finding a saddle that fits my horse and I knew the second I put that sucker on him it fit like a glove.
I wish you luck!
I would start the conversation off with saying that you expect full payment at this point since the saddle is not in the same condition it started in.
OR you could say you will take the saddle back, but keep the money she has already paid you since the saddle has been used. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | This is rotten. Take the saddle back, don't return the money you've received and either set it in your house to look at or resell it. She's feeding you a line of BS about it being warped. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | No need to say you probably learned your lesson on payments.
You can do one of two things....pray she pays you what she should and what she owes. And if the saddle is made by cactus I am certain they will help if the tree is actually warped. Her paying it off is the right thing to do.
Or you could avoid risking that she will never pay you, take the saddle back, try to keep what she has given you, or give it back and sell the saddle to someone else. Unless of course the saddle is in poor condition since it left you. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | What Cactus is it? I may be interested. |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | By the way...what is wonky :) |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | svincent - 2014-03-29 11:55 PM Can trees even warp? I mean, this isn't a junk saddle - it's a Cactus, not a Double T. Lol Yes, saddle trees CAN warp if it is a rawhide covered tree. That being said, depending on the age of the saddle it would have warped long before this time. They usually warp from too wet rawhide covering and it warps the tree as it dries. My guess is that it didn't fit at first and she is just noticing it more as the horse's back has changed. I would tell her that she has two options......
one: she can pay for the saddle as agreed and sell it.....or two: you will take the saddle back but she does NOT get a refund.
If it had been within a couple of weeks, it would be a different story.
Edited by NJJ 2014-03-30 10:55 AM
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | missroselee - 2014-03-30 8:46 AM By the way...what is wonky :)
I love that word too |
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Location: southeast Texas | If you want to take the saddle back, I wouldn't tell her she isn't getting her moneys back till you have saddle in hand. She probably won't be paying the balance owed.......in either case. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | roxieannie - 2014-03-30 9:57 AM If you want to take the saddle back, I wouldn't tell her she isn't getting her moneys back till you have saddle in hand. She probably won't be paying the balance owed.......in either case.
Yep. Go over and tell her you'll take the saddle off her hands. Talk to her face to face and don't let her know she isn't getting her money back. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You are not at fault in any way in this deal. You trusted this girl with your saddle. You trusted her to pay you. If the saddle didnt fit she would have know in the first week of having it, the saddle tree just dont get warped over a a few months, she would have know the saddle was wraped after a few rides. I hope that the saddle is still in the same shape as when you left it with her. Go pick it up and do not refund any money back to her. This is the money that is owed to you for losing a sale from someone else. So just go pick up your saddle and be done with this deal.
Just wonering how long did you give her to pay off the saddle? Just dont let anybody else do payments.  |
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Location: PNW | CYA Ranch - 2014-03-30 8:43 AM
What Cactus is it? I may be interested.
It's just a Cactus barrel saddle - not a specific person's, like a Charmayne. But it has a round skirt like a Charmayne. |
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Location: PNW | Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-30 10:19 AM
You are not at fault in any way in this deal. You trusted this girl with your saddle. You trusted her to pay you. If the saddle didnt fit she would have know in the first week of having it, the saddle tree just dont get warped over a a few months, she would have know the saddle was wraped after a few rides. I hope that the saddle is still in the same shape as when you left it with her. Go pick it up and do not refund any money back to her. This is the money that is owed to you for losing a sale from someone else. So just go pick up your saddle and be done with this deal.
Just wonering how long did you give her to pay off the saddle? Just dont let anybody else do payments.
So, I talked to her. She's going to put it for sale and keep making payments until it sells. When it sells, I'll get the remaining balance.
She's the daughter of my farrier, and even HE said I was in the right. I have full confidence I'll get my money, or maybe free shoes/trims for a long time. Lol |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | svincent - 2014-03-30 10:25 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-30 10:19 AM You are not at fault in any way in this deal. You trusted this girl with your saddle. You trusted her to pay you. If the saddle didnt fit she would have know in the first week of having it, the saddle tree just dont get warped over a a few months, she would have know the saddle was wraped after a few rides. I hope that the saddle is still in the same shape as when you left it with her. Go pick it up and do not refund any money back to her. This is the money that is owed to you for losing a sale from someone else. So just go pick up your saddle and be done with this deal.
Just wonering how long did you give her to pay off the saddle? Just dont let anybody else do payments. So, I talked to her. She's going to put it for sale and keep making payments until it sells. When it sells, I'll get the remaining balance. She's the daughter of my farrier, and even HE said I was in the right. I have full confidence I'll get my money, or maybe free shoes/trims for a long time. Lol
If you got the confidence that she's going to pay the rest of the saddle to you then do what you feel is right. But if it was me I think I would be picking it up after what she was saying in the text to you. I dont take kindley to helping out someone like what you are doing and then they decide to act like this to me. No thank you.  But I can see that your a really sweet lady with a kind heart.  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Take it back and re-sell it. At that point I would give a portion of her money back. If the saddle has been used and now shows wear I would give her back what is left after getting the amount of what you originally sold it for. Example you wanted $1200 and she has paid you $600. The saddle is now worth $900. and that is what you get so I would be giving her back $300. |
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