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Location: So. Cali. | I'd personally probably try to avoid anything with over 10. I've had a couple off the track, from 2 outs to 40 outs. My current mare is the first one I purchased straight off the track 5 years ago. She had 17 outs with 1 win. Great mind on her, got her as a 5yr old off the track, would probably go a little younger as well. I had a gelding with 40 outs, did very well on the track, got him as a coming 8yr old sitting in someones backyard. Owned him a year, could do all the slow work in the world perfect, add a little speed and he lost his marbles. Had another gelding come off as a coming 3yr old with only 6 outs, he individually was a slow maturer, but is doing well with someone else barrel racing, good mind on him. And I have a mare now who had only 2 outs, then was turned out to pasture for 4 yrs so she's 8 this year, lots of Go, but also green and sane.
So with the above experience, I personally would look for 10 and under outs.
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  Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I think it depends more on the quality of training than amount of outs. For instance you can have a horse that is well trained and well prepped. No short cuts and have 10-15 outs, spread out over a 2-3 yr period and end up with a sound, sane and healthy horse. Or you can have one that has 3 outs, that was not ready to race and blown up in the gates. May not have been conditioned and so you have a maiden with splints, fratures etc.
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 That's White "Man" to You
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| I recently purchased a 5 yo mare with 16 outs and she just like an old broke saddle horse. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Whiteboy - 2014-03-31 10:27 AM
I recently purchased a 5 yo mare with 16 outs and she just like an old broke saddle horse.
I want your mare.... She's a beaut. |
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Can You Hear Me Now?
Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | My girl had 13 starts over the course of 1 1/2 years. Retired sound and very calm/ quiet. |
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Location: WI | I don't think you can really say - that is like saying, what is the difference between a horse that has 50 barrel runs or 100? Totally depends on the horse and it's training. I have 1 that had 13 outs and he is the most sane barrel horse I have ever ridden. |
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 Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | I have two off the track - Cliff ran 8 times and Streak ran 10 times. Both of them are really calm at home, they don't spook at stuff on the road, and I love that they already know how to run - all I have to do is teach them to turn and we're in business. :)
I got Cliff in Nov. 2012 - he was 8 - and his last race was in July 2009. I got Streak in February of this year and his last race was October of 2005 so both of them had quite a bit of downtime after the track. Cliff went to the feedlot, then tried steer wrestling before I wound up with him. Streak got in really bad condition before TurnLane rescued him last year so I don't think he did much besides eat (OK he barely did that apparently) between his last race and when she got him. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | I bought one with 3, one with 9, and one with 4, and I think one with 2.
I didn't really look at number of outs when I got them. The one with 4 outs I bought her way after her track days so I didn't really care at all. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-31 10:21 AM I think it depends more on the quality of training than amount of outs. For instance you can have a horse that is well trained and well prepped. No short cuts and have 10-15 outs, spread out over a 2-3 yr period and end up with a sound, sane and healthy horse. Or you can have one that has 3 outs, that was not ready to race and blown up in the gates. May not have been conditioned and so you have a maiden with splints, fratures etc.
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That's White "Man" to You
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| ndiehl - 2014-03-31 10:42 AM Whiteboy - 2014-03-31 10:27 AM I recently purchased a 5 yo mare with 16 outs and she just like an old broke saddle horse. I want your mare.... She's a beaut.
Thanks, we really like her! |
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 Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | I think it has a lot to do with how they were broke and who the trainer was. I have always had good luck with mine off the track. I know I will be the odd man out here but I prefer a speed index on mine in the 40's or 50's. jmho |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| sorrel horse ranch - 2014-03-31 11:59 AM I think it has a lot to do with how they were broke and who the trainer was. I have always had good luck with mine off the track. I know I will be the odd man out here but I prefer a speed index on mine in the 40's or 50's. jmho
lol you must explain your speed index reasoning! |
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2014-03-31 12:03 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-03-31 11:59 AM I think it has a lot to do with how they were broke and who the trainer was. I have always had good luck with mine off the track. I know I will be the odd man out here but I prefer a speed index on mine in the 40's or 50's. jmho lol you must explain your speed index reasoning!
yes, please explain.
I will say that I don't know how accurate speed indexes really are. Clifford's best was a 72 and I think we can all agree he's stupid fast. He was just a terrible racehorse. lol. |
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You get what you give
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Location: Texas | I can see where she is coming from. I've pulled SIs on several barrel horses that were really good and ended up with horrible SIs. Might have just hated being a race horse.
Honestly, a AA SI is PERFECTLY fine with me! I have found they have plenty of speed to burn in the barrel pen. The mare I have now has an SI of 80 and does not have a pretty first barrel and we are doing really well in spite of it. Still want to work on cleaning the barrel up, but I'm not complaining that she's got enough run to clock with it being sloppy. |
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| I bought one recently 5 year old with 20 outs 89 speed index sound as can be. She has a SUPER mind. She's at the trainers now getting 60 days and he really likes her. |
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | casualdust07 - 2014-03-31 12:23 PM I can see where she is coming from. I've pulled SIs on several barrel horses that were really good and ended up with horrible SIs. Might have just hated being a race horse.
Honestly, a AA SI is PERFECTLY fine with me! I have found they have plenty of speed to burn in the barrel pen. The mare I have now has an SI of 80 and does not have a pretty first barrel and we are doing really well in spite of it. Still want to work on cleaning the barrel up, but I'm not complaining that she's got enough run to clock with it being sloppy.
That's kind of what I think the deal is with Clifford - he sucked on the track but has more than enough speed as a barrel horse. heck yesterday he was 11th out of 78 and we all but stopped at each barrel. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Speed indexs really shouldn't mean zilch. A 50-90 for a barrel horse really could depend on conditions of the track (sloppy) track surface, a bad break, a tail wind a head wind...an injury just before the finish line. So preferring a 50 or a 80 or a 100 really doesn't matter for a barrel prospect. Now if you want to produce, AA/ROM is preferred at least up to AAA because it is amazing the people that want that even if the horse will never end up at the track. |
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Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | Mostly what everyone else has said. I never had one with a big speed index and they made some top barrel horses. Who knows why they won't run on the track. I was hunting for a horse off the track the other day and was talking to a gentleman that trains and he said he agreed with me. Just because they don't run on the track doesn't mean they won't run in a barrel pattern. I had one with a 46 speed index that Bill McArthur had trained. I had Martha Wright tell me after one of his runs in Waco that he was one of the nicest barrel horses she had ever seen. That meant a lot to me coming from Martha. |
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| I try to stay under 10 thats my opinion because I feel like everytime they run its that much wear and tear on their body. I have to off the track horses and love them both. Great minds and some of the best horses to be around. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| Another mare I had started 21 times, never had a soundness (physical or mental) problem with her. Some horses are much more fragil that others. |
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Location: NE Texas | I have a colt that worked 11.7 at 220 (100+ SI) with an jockey who was about 40 pounds overweight the first time to the race track and working from the gates in company get his gate card. My husband was ready to send in nominations to every big race in the country. Gets time to put him in a race, and we're so exciting.....sucker runs a 50 something speed indes TWICE and finishes 9th both times and dumped his jockey on the backstretch his second out before he even got to the gates. I am certain that his mentality is that he wanted to make sure we saw him as he went by us at the wire. 
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