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| I came across a 4 year old appendix mare for sale in my area. She's big, beautiful, built and bred out the wazoo! But...they say she bucks under saddle so they are selling her at a broodmare price. I asked them if they thought it was an attitude thing or just her being green and am waiting on a reply. They said her ground manners are good, can be a bit spooky which doesn't surprise me with her breeding. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/iron+silk
If I got her she would likely go to a trainer for 30-60 days then come back to me to get going on the pattern.
Would you take a chance on her considering her breeding or would the bucking thing scare you away?
ETA: I've been talking with her owner. She bought her and has only had her two days. Said she went to ride her yesterday and she saddled up and lunged fine. Then she went to get on and the mare humped up and got a few jumps in then stopped. She doesn't want to spend the money sending her off to another trainer to try and figure out what her deal is. The trainer who put the first 30 days on her as a 3 year old was Glen Aspinall out of California. Otherwise, she said the mare is spooky on the ground but respectful.
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| Having personally owned a mare that was bred out the wazoo, broke, broke, broke.... and a bucker, I wouldn't. I did everything right by that mare. They forewarned me that she bucked, but I thought I could solve it. Chiro's, vets, trainers.... no matter. Random bucker gets people hurt. I finally sent her down the line with full disclosure.
There are too many good horses out there to waste your time/safety/money on a not so good one. |
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Location: SE KS | Depending on the price, I would consider taking a chance on her, for me if she didn't ride, she could be a broodmare! jmo!!
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| I have one at home that is a random bucker, knew it when I got him. He dumps me at least every 6 months, although the last time I almost had it rode out(to bad almost doesn't matter). I thought I could get it out of him but I've excepted the fact that I might not. Some day's I'll get on and after about 5 minutes I know I just need to go put him up because we aint gonna get anything accomplished.
Maybe they can tell you how long she's been doing it. The longer the harder to stop. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Who broke her? When did they start? If she's cheap enough, I'd consider buying her, sending her to a professional trainer (if she hasn't already been there) and see what happens......it's easier to train one right, then get rid of a bad habit once it's started (if that is the case). Guess, it, also, depends on how good of a rider you are lol and how old you are......my 42 year old butt isn't getting on anything that even looks shady.
Another thing, I wouldn't use her as a broodmare if she is INSANE. All things to think about..... |
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| Thanks everyone :) I'm waiting on answers to some of my questions and I'll post here with more info. They did say she's really goosey so maybe its just an issue of needing sacked out and more wet saddle blankets.
ETA: They said she got started with only 30 days or so as a 3 year old so she got a late start. Don't know who put those days on her but I can see if I can find out :) And yeah, if she's a total nut case no way I'll be using her for a broodmare Lol I'm hoping its just an issue of being green but we'll see.
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Location: Deep South | I would not.
I sent a client's horse home this week because he's a bucker. He was with me about a year ago doing it, I told them I wouldn't ride one that bucks like that, they sent him to someone else for several months, said that guy got it out of him. Well guess what , he didn't. That sucker still bucks.
He's been vetted. He's had months of wet saddle blankets. He's just a bucker.
And I certainly wouldn't consider breeding one that is known to do it. |
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| My friend had a mare that was very, very sensitive to pain. She didn't buck, but I'd describe her as goosy. She couldn't handle a chiro she was so sensitive.
They ended up breeding her and she came through it a changed mare. The pain she THOUGHT she was going through wasn't anything compared to having a baby! She was no longer goosy and much less sensitive.
Just something to think about... |
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| Too many good ones out there that don't buck.
The question you need to ask yourself is can you be off of work for 6 weeks if the horse injures you. |
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Location: In a happy place | No I wouldn't. Period. |
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| Thanks for all the help! I added more info into the original post that I've got from her owner. I'm starting to think its an issue of needing more time getting sacked out and desensitized from the way she described her, but I guess I won't know for sure until I go look at her. |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | I have a gelding that sometimes bolts/bucks when he gets spooked. He doesn't buck all the time, but I think the randomness in his bucking builds your courage only to have him buck it out of you. Otherwise, he isn't a bad horse. The last time he attempted to buck was a year ago. He got me off and I broke several bones and looking at back surgery now from that episode. I'd give him away if I could get a taker. I'd bypass that mare. Too many nice ones to deal with a dink. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I wouldn't. I like how she is bred, love it in fact. But that fact that whether it is her poor disposition or maybe something like PSSM causing it makes it not something I want to pass along to offspring. She may be fragile minded as well, another thing I really don't like to raise. |
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Location: Where it's warm | Maybe.....It would depend on her price....If you look at her and like her maybe have her vetted, and see if she is bucking out of pain. I once got a really nice gelding for a really low price because he was a nasty bucker. I had him vetted and had the chiropractor out, and no more bucking. He made a nice barrel horse, and worked great, but when he got out of alignment he would break in half. |
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Location: Up and over to the right | I looked her up. She's cute, I'd give her some time to settle and send her to a trainer or work with a trainer at your place. For the price I'd say she deserves a shot and some work with a professional. |
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| Did you see this ad? http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-808961
http://www.barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?ID=212342
Might get more info...
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Location: Texas | savannah.96 - 2014-03-31 12:34 PM I came across a 4 year old appendix mare for sale in my area. She's big, beautiful, built and bred out the wazoo! But...they say she bucks under saddle so they are selling her at a broodmare price. I asked them if they thought it was an attitude thing or just her being green and am waiting on a reply. They said her ground manners are good, can be a bit spooky which doesn't surprise me with her breeding. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/iron+silk If I got her she would likely go to a trainer for 30-60 days then come back to me to get going on the pattern. Would you take a chance on her considering her breeding or would the bucking thing scare you away? ETA: I've been talking with her owner. She bought her and has only had her two days. Said she went to ride her yesterday and she saddled up and lunged fine. Then she went to get on and the mare humped up and got a few jumps in then stopped. She doesn't want to spend the money sending her off to another trainer to try and figure out what her deal is. The trainer who put the first 30 days on her as a 3 year old was Glen Aspinall out of California. Otherwise, she said the mare is spooky on the ground but respectful.
When googling her name, I counted 4-5 different ads as well as an auction result from last year. Every ad stated she had been "in training". I don't think this is a new problem. Shes either just bucks, is in pain OR those who have had her are intimidated by the bucking and the mare has learned to use it to scare people.
If you're willing to put the time in and start from looking into her possibly hurting, then moving to starting her back from the ground up, then sure she'd be an interesting project. If anything she could always be a broodmare. But step one would certainly have to be seeing a vet before ever throwing a leg over her.
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I would run screaming in the opposite direction. She has been passed around a lot. Chances are good, there is a REASON. (And it is NOT something good. Which is why she keeps being sold AND the price keeps going down.) |
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| Thanks for all the help everyone! I tried googling her but never really came up anything. Thanks for finding those past ads! It does make me think with as many times as it looks like she's been sold...
I guess I've got a lot of things to consider before I make a decision. It's about a 7 and a half hour drive to go see her and I don't want to buy without going and looking first, especially if they say she bucks. There's a part of me that wants to give her chance, have her vetted and sent to a trainer, but another part of me doesn't want to take the chance and waste money on a possible nut case and possibly get someone hurt... Hhmmm... |
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| savannah.96 - 2014-03-31 10:39 PM
Thanks for all the help everyone! I tried googling her but never really came up anything. Thanks for finding those past ads! It does make me think with as many times as it looks like she's been sold...
I guess I've got a lot of things to consider before I make a decision. It's about a 7 and a half hour drive to go see her and I don't want to buy without going and looking first, especially if they say she bucks. There's a part of me that wants to give her chance, have her vetted and sent to a trainer, but another part of me doesn't want to take the chance and waste money on a possible nut case and possibly get someone hurt... Hhmmm...
I would try contacting past owners... now that they dont own her anymore, they shouldnt have any issues giving you full disclosure. |
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Location: Texas | Honestly Id pass. If she is that spooky and bucks enough to be passed that much from owner to owner there is a dang good reason. And if shes cheaper than the price listed on equinenow to me it isnt worth getting a full blown vet check and have checked for ulcers, ovarian cysts, ect ect.
Also keep in mind alot of trainers charge more for breaking one or charge more for one that consistently bucks. I charge $500.00 more a month for a bucker or a breaker. I dont want to deal with them so most people run when they hear the price I tell them.
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Location: Texas | Not worth it. if you dig hard enough and look hard enough you can find a good horse for a good price. I would not take in a project bucker. |
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Location: Under the Big Sky - Montana | Correct me if I'm wrong but this mare is 4 and has only had 30 days on her? Ever? And how long did she sit between the 30 days and the new owner? I'd maybe consider PSSM testing but really, a horse with only 30 days on it will probably still try to hump up if the new person doesn't do things like the old person did. It sounds like it was all under control after a jump or 2. Personally, I'd get more info on her background but I'm not sure I'd be too concerned at this point. Especially if she wan't handled much at all before they sent her off to be started. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | If you are going to contact previous "owners" be aware that at least one is a "horse trader". How much can some of these people REALLY know when they have only had her for a very short time? For what they currently want for her, you could find a young filly that hasn't been started yet (and therefor likely not "screwed up".) and start "from scratch" rather than spending your money on one that likely has "issues" already. |
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Location: Kentucky | lhighquality - 2014-03-31 1:41 PM Depending on the price, I would consider taking a chance on her, for me if she didn't ride, she could be a broodmare! jmo!!
No, no, no, no....
She because she CAN have a colt, doesn't mean she SHOULD. Especially if she is nasty under saddle. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | so many better ones out there |
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| Thank you everyone! After thinking long and hard and taking in all your valid points I've decided to pass on her... |
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| savannah.96 - 2014-04-01 7:49 PM Thank you everyone! After thinking long and hard and taking in all your valid points I've decided to pass on her...
Good plan - I wouldn't have even considered her but I am OLD and not into "rodeos" anymore. Too many nice ones out there, why put up with a problem? I wouldn't think I could ever trust her. |
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Would you take a chance on this mare?