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| http://www.ladybugstallion.com/?id=2&s=1
http://www.equmed.com/Oocyte%20Transfer%20Packet.pdf
so, if everything goes perfect, around $8500 plus transportation?
Also, does that recip mare fee sound normal? (high/low)
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Location: Texas | my professor quoted me about $3500 for ICSI and 3500 for the ET so you're looking at at least $7000 if everything goes well the first time. This is at TAMU and I am sure she's forgetting about some small costs. |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Lisa Mildonavich just had a foal by this procedure.
Check with Aint Seen Nothing Yet on facebook.
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Location: Oklahoma | they're only allowing one vet to use the semen and he charges $8500 for the procedure. Looking at $10,000 + if all goes smooth sailing.... |
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Location: Windy Wyoming | I found DR Beck in CA, he is the only vet that will have access to it now. I had 3 ICSI DFP babies, we aspired my mare several times! One died before it reached 30 days, I lost a stud colt at birth red bad/ legs bent back and our third was a black filly born Friday..... $8500 guaranteed procedure baby up until 60 days, shipping your mare there and back with recip, $1500 stud fee, board on all said mares and insurance at 60 days. You pay half at 30 days and other half at 60 days, if baby is lost in those 60 days (which happens) he starts all over for free. He is the only vet I would let do this after talking to Fred Stanley, he used another vet in Midwest and threw alot of money away and has no baby, DR beck is a wonderful man and I'm glad Fred is only letting him do this, he's looking our for us mare owners as I can tell you in said contract posted I would have spent over $25,000........ With my babies insured and all said and done ~$17,000 a piece..... |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Let me see if I can make these work.
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Location: Bigfoot Country | I have 2 foals using this procedure from Dr. Beck! He works very hard at it!! 24/7!! He got several pregnancies and live foals last year and I think about 49 will be born this year. From other breeds, not just quarter horses. I know he has 4 recips that are due late with Dash For Perks babies out of a race mare own daughter of Chicks Beduino. THEY ARE ALL FOR SALE!! Get one now, and you only have to wait a few months to see it! |
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Location: Texas | Yep I would be very selective on who does my ICSI (if I ever did it, LOL). Lots of places "can" do it, but their success rates are not good. CSU and TAMU do it and have success with it, and I've heard good things about Dr. Beck. But I would definitely do my homework because there's MANY steps from collecting the oocyte, the fertilizing it, to even getting it to a blastocyst stage to implant in the mare. Many people that do ICSI can fertilize the oocyte but have bad luck maturing it to the point it can be implanted. It is an art for sure! |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | To me, the recip mare fee DOES sound high. I have seen several places that charge $1500 to $1800 for the recip mare. And with some of them, you get to keep the mare. Meaning you are BUYING her, not leasing her. After the foal is weaned, you can do what you see fit with the recip mare. (There are places that are doing E.T. But, IMO a "recip mare" is a recip mare no matter the procedure.) I think this is the problem when you don't have the option of going somewhere else to have the procedure done. THey can charge what ever they want and you either pay it, or "go without". |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I'm stupid...what is ICSI? I got lost in all that..... |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | missroselee - 2014-04-01 11:54 AM I'm stupid...what is ICSI? I got lost in all that.....
http://vetmed.tamu.edu/equine-embryo-laboratory/clinical-services/icsi |
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Thanks. So the stallion owners require this as part of the breeding? You can't do it any other way? I am assuming if so , because he's an older stallion and there is a limited supply? Does make sense. Never heard of it. |
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Location: Millen Ga | They require it this way because DFP passed and didnt have a good success rate with frozen (no viability) but this way seems to work. That was my understanding. |
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Location: Windy Wyoming | SilverCanChaser - 2014-04-01 11:18 AM
What is the name of Dr Beck's vet clinic ?
http://infoalinc.com/ is Dr Becks clinic..... Yes Dfp frozen semen they tried several years to try and get foals never worked so I dug deeper and found dr beck then called Fred Stanley and asked him to ship 1 straw of semen to dr beck to try this, I think Fred thought I was crazy lol him and Dr beck now do business :) |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Tanya - 2014-04-01 3:10 PM They require it this way because DFP passed and didnt have a good success rate with frozen (no viability) but this way seems to work. That was my understanding.
So I'm in the dark...I didn't even know for sure he had passed. I thought maybe he did but wasn't sure. |
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Location: Windy Wyoming | lisamm - 2014-04-01 12:21 PM
SilverCanChaser - 2014-04-01 11:18 AM
What is the name of Dr Beck's vet clinic ?
http://infoalinc.com/ is Dr Becks clinic..... Yes Dfp frozen semen they tried several years to try and get foals never worked so I dug deeper and found dr beck then called Fred Stanley and asked him to ship 1 straw of semen to dr beck to try this, I think Fred thought I was crazy lol him and Dr beck now do business : )
Also Dr Beck said Dfp semen looked great, got 3 pregnancies with my 24 yr old mare. We lost several at first before they cleaved all the way, I'm glad we did so many now looking back. I will do it again in the future :) already planning |
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| Canchasr1 - 2014-04-01 9:47 AM
Let me see if I can make these work.
This is Lisa's DFP baby
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Location: Windy Wyoming | booney - 2014-04-02 5:58 AM
So, the place in MO isn't doing it now? Thanks.
No only Dr. Beck now in CA..... |
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| RacingQH - 2014-04-02 9:37 AM
To me, the recip mare fee DOES sound high. I have seen several places that charge $1500 to $1800 for the recip mare. And with some of them, you get to keep the mare. Meaning you are BUYING her, not leasing her. After the foal is weaned, you can do what you see fit with the recip mare. (There are places that are doing E.T. But, IMO a "recip mare" is a recip mare no matter the procedure.) I think this is the problem when you don't have the option of going somewhere else to have the procedure done. THey can charge what ever they want and you either pay it, or "go without".
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Location: Desert Land | aqhabarrelchic1 - 2014-04-02 6:15 AM
RacingQH - 2014-04-02 9:37 AM
To me, the recip mare fee DOES sound high. I have seen several places that charge $1500 to $1800 for the recip mare. And with some of them, you get to keep the mare. Meaning you are BUYING her, not leasing her. After the foal is weaned, you can do what you see fit with the recip mare. (There are places that are doing E.T. But, IMO a "recip mare" is a recip mare no matter the procedure.) I think this is the problem when you don't have the option of going somewhere else to have the procedure done. THey can charge what ever they want and you either pay it, or "go without".
That's not high for out here
Agreed. Check Dr Steve Burns prices, he's even higher. |
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Location: Desert Land | I just talked to Dr. Beck yesterday about the ICSI with DFP semen. It is $8,500 for the procedure & $1,500 for the stud fee. You are NOT responsible for the $8,500 until you get a pregnancy. If you don't get a pregnancy, the only thing you are out is the mare care & stud fee.
I have researched doing ICSI with about 5-6 other vets and Dr. Beck is by far the best value. He is the only vet (I found) that has a set price for the procedure - every where else charges you per aispiration, injection, cycle fees, Oocyte collection fees, some charge for a mare enrollment fee. It adds up quick and if my mare was at another clinic with those incurring fees right now, I would be well over $8,500 already. |
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Location: Windy Wyoming | TheOldGrayMare - 2014-04-02 8:02 AM
I just talked to Dr. Beck yesterday about the ICSI with DFP semen. It is $8,500 for the procedure & $1,500 for the stud fee. You are NOT responsible for the $8,500 until you get a pregnancy. If you don't get a pregnancy, the only thing you are out is the mare care & stud fee.
I have researched doing ICSI with about 5-6 other vets and Dr. Beck is by far the best value. He is the only vet (I found) that has a set price for the procedure - every where else charges you per aispiration, injection, cycle fees, Oocyte collection fees, some charge for a mare enrollment fee. It adds up quick and if my mare was at another clinic with those incurring fees right now, I would be well over $8,500 already.
Yes that is why when I was looking into ICSI I wanted a guarantee.... he was the ONLY vet with a set price, and a guarantee.... He is bar none the best and I will send all of my ICSI mares to him :) think it's the best way so you know how much you are looking at in the long run. The shipping mares there and back, board, extras drugs, insurance add up but at least you know you have a set price for the procedure! I can't tell you how amazing he is and GREAT at what he does! ON the contract from a different place on the first page I would have been well over $25,000 each foal with all the aspirations, sperm injection, donor mare etc... |
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Location: Bigfoot Country | Plus, his oocyte recovery and pregnancy rate is GREAT! I think he had 49 resulting pregnancies using this procedure last year. He is on track to do more this year! It is very important to know what the vets percentage of pregnancies or live foals is. Some of them are still trying to figure it out and spending YOUR money in the meantime by charging ala carte for services. Always ask how many they have gotten on the ground, or pregnant when making the decision to do ICSI. |
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| The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks.
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Location: Desert Land | booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks.
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| lisamm - 2014-04-02 9:11 AM
booney - 2014-04-02 5:58 AM
So, the place in MO isn't doing it now? Thanks.
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Location: OREGON | Thank you Lisa for suggesting this to DFP owner! I knew it would be expensive, but $10k +, wowza. I hope there is enough semen to keep doing it for awhile. I would love to try it in a few years! |
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Location: OREGON | I see in the new BHN his stud fee is now $1500 and TAMU is trying this procedure this year. Be interesting to hear if they have any success at it. How exciting to know there is hope for more DFP babies. 
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Location: OREGON | booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks.
TAMU is trying it this year. But, not a vet doing it??? |
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Location: Texas | Kassi4D - 2014-04-29 6:32 PM
booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks.
TAMU is trying it this year. But, not a vet doing it???
TAMU has been doing it for several years. They are one of the national forefronts on ICSI technology.
They are doing FWF's ICSI, as well as some big cutters. I forgot which cutter it was she told us about during a guest lecture one evening.
My reproductive physiology professor is one of the vets in charge of ICSI there… she quoted me about $4000 for ICSI and $4000 for the ET.
They routinely do ICSI for shipped in oocytes. It's not that hard at all for a regular vet to aspirate an oocyte, ship it like you would ship semen, have TAMU incubate it and do the ICSI, then they fly the embryo to a recip herd like you would for ET.
Many of the people involved in equine repro at TAMU are dual DVM/PhDs and usually are boarded in something. Some of them are PhDs only as they are really involved in research. they all work together. I think the guy who actually works the micro manipulator is a PhD. |
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Location: OREGON | casualdust07 - 2014-04-29 6:44 PM Kassi4D - 2014-04-29 6:32 PM booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks. TAMU is trying it this year. But, not a vet doing it??? TAMU has been doing it for several years. They are one of the national forefronts on ICSI technology. They are doing FWF's ICSI, as well as some big cutters. I forgot which cutter it was she told us about during a guest lecture one evening. My reproductive physiology professor is one of the vets in charge of ICSI there… she quoted me about $4000 for ICSI and $4000 for the ET. They routinely do ICSI for shipped in oocytes. It's not that hard at all for a regular vet to aspirate an oocyte, ship it like you would ship semen, have TAMU incubate it and do the ICSI, then they fly the embryo to a recip herd like you would for ET. Many of the people involved in equine repro at TAMU are dual DVM/PhDs and usually are boarded in something. Some of them are PhDs only as they are really involved in research. they all work together. I think the guy who actually works the micro manipulator is a PhD.
Sorry, I should have said TAMU is trying DFP semen this year... |
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Location: Texas | Kassi4D - 2014-05-03 9:52 AM
casualdust07 - 2014-04-29 6:44 PM Kassi4D - 2014-04-29 6:32 PM booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks. TAMU is trying it this year. But, not a vet doing it??? TAMU has been doing it for several years. They are one of the national forefronts on ICSI technology. They are doing FWF's ICSI, as well as some big cutters. I forgot which cutter it was she told us about during a guest lecture one evening. My reproductive physiology professor is one of the vets in charge of ICSI there… she quoted me about $4000 for ICSI and $4000 for the ET. They routinely do ICSI for shipped in oocytes. It's not that hard at all for a regular vet to aspirate an oocyte, ship it like you would ship semen, have TAMU incubate it and do the ICSI, then they fly the embryo to a recip herd like you would for ET. Many of the people involved in equine repro at TAMU are dual DVM/PhDs and usually are boarded in something. Some of them are PhDs only as they are really involved in research. they all work together. I think the guy who actually works the micro manipulator is a PhD.
ahhhhhhhhhh ok, makes sense! I was like.. I just sat through two lectures on this with the lady in charge of it! |
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