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Location: Southwest Minnesota | Here is the latest post from the U of MN Equine Center:
4-3-14. A horse in Wright County, MN tested positive for Equine Herpes Virus-1 or EHV-1 today, April 3, 2014. To date, there have been 9 confirmed cases of EHV-1 in MN, WI and IA horses. We are encouraging all Midwest horse owners to quarantine their horses for a minimum of 2 weeks from the date of the last confirmed case of EHV-1. Currently, the quarantine extends to April 17, 2014. If additional cases are confirmed, the voluntary quarantine will be extended beyond April 17, 2014. For more information on EVH-1, view the recorded webinar at http://www.cvm.umn.edu/umec/EHV1info/home.html or visithttp://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/horse/health/equine-herpesvirus/index.html. For up-to-date information on confirmed cases of EHV-1 in MN, visit http://www.mn.gov/bah/horses.html#equine-herpesvirus. For information on how EHV-1 is being addressed at the MN Horse Expo, visithttp://www.mnhorseexpo.org/ehv.html. For information on biosecurity, visithttp://www.aphis.usda.gov/publications/animal_health/2011/bro_keep_horses_healthy.pdf. Finally, “like” the University of Minnesota Equine Extension Program Facebook page for updates and additional resources on EHV-1https://www.facebook.com/UMNHorse. |
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| And another. And another... It goes on. People need to learn to stay home. From Anoka Equine:
EHV-1 UPDATE APRIL 8 - (TUESDAY):
FEEL FREE TO FOLLOW OR SHARE THIS POST. IT IS INTENDED AS INFORMATIONAL, WE ASK THAT IT DOES NOT BECOME A DISCUSSION BOARD. INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO JUSTINE@ANOKAEQUINE.COM.
Yesterday we tested a horse in Isanti County; this horse was neurologic and unable to urinate. This horse is at a large facility and that facility has been closed, no new horses have entered the property. This means it was brought in by a human in some way…on equipment, shoes, hands, tack, etc. This is an entirely new case and does have a high probability of having positive results, test results are expected back this coming Friday or Monday.
There is also a pending case in St. Croix County, Wisconsin with a high probability of being positive. Results are expected back mid-week Wednesday or Thursday as a guess.
COMMON QUESTIONS:
• People have been confused and are asking what constitutes “positive”? A horse is positive if they have BOTH a positive final test and clinical neurological symptoms. A horse that tests positive but is not showing symptoms is not considered a true positive and those horses are re-tested at about the 3 week mark.
• Can we test horses as a screening procedure, “just to be sure”? The answer is no. The laboratories and veterinarians are not testing random, normal horses. We will only do tests on horses from positive barns, horses that have been exposed to positive horses or those that are symptomatic.
• Yes, a seemingly normal healthy horse can indeed not be healthy and develop clinical signs later. This it the biggest reason for our 2 week “no travel” suggestion.
CASE UPDATE AS OF TODAY:
Horse 1: Chisago County, MN. – Positive on 3/8/14 – Euthanized
Horse 2: Chisago County, MN. – Positive on 3/8/14 – Recovering
Horse 3: Dakota County, MN. - Positive on 3/18/14 – Euthanized
Horse 4: Polk County, WI – Positive on 3/20/14 – Recovering
Horse 5: Hennepin County, MN – Positive on 3/21/14 –
Recovering
Horse 6: Freeborn County, MN. - Positive on 3/26/14 -
Horse 7: Wright County, MN. - Positive on 3/26/14 - Recovering
Horse 8: Iowa (horse visited both Freeborn & Hennepin Cty) –
Positive on 3/26/14 – Recovering and barn tests clear
with other horses.
Horse 9: Wright County, MN. – Positive on 3/29/14 – Euthanized
***Suspect case St. Croix, WI. Tested on 4/4/14 – Awaiting results
***Suspect case Isanti County, MN. Tested on 4/7/14 – Awaiting results
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| The pending case in St Croix just came back positive :( Anoka Equine just posted about it. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This is frustrating as hell. On the other hand, when you read about this disease, it's pretty scary. This 2007 article from the USDA highlights the problem in eradicating EHV-1. Of a total of 403 horses "at risk" from 6 outbreaks between 2001-2005, about 1/3rd actually developed the neurologic form and once that happened, the mortality rate is quoted as 40%. Another thing in this article is that they claim that the neurologic symptoms may not appear for as long as 28 days from the onset of non-neurologic symptoms. In oither words, just because a horse has a snotty nose but looks OK otherwise, he might develop the signs of the neurologic form 28 days after he showed initial signs. Basically, the problem boils down to this virus mutating, but even though the article is 7 years old, it is concise and pretty informative. It does sound like Acyclovir or Valacyclovir MIGHT be helpful. Anyone interested should read this:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/emergingissues/downloads/ehv1final.pdf |
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Location: never in the right place | we have 1 in Ct that I know of she is at my vets and my horse is there because he has some serious Lyme Disease issues and they put that horse in the barn with my horse because they both had a fever. Mine is NOT contagious. He spiked a temp of 105 and they think it could be the virus. great his body if fighting systemic and neuro Lyme and now this. |
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| ctdrumrunr - 2014-04-08 6:41 PM we have 1 in Ct that I know of she is at my vets and my horse is there because he has some serious Lyme Disease issues and they put that horse in the barn with my horse because they both had a fever. Mine is NOT contagious. He spiked a temp of 105 and they think it could be the virus. great his body if fighting systemic and neuro Lyme and now this.
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Location: Minnesota | This is so frustrating! Thankfully I am not in any of the counties that these horses are in but those counties are close. My horses arnt going anywhere. There are still horse sales and shows going on and PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING. Its a scary situation. I also just heard from a friend this morning who sold her horse last week to a very well known barrel races and that horse is now out of state. Thankfully there was no horses at her barn with EHV-1 but that is not a risk I would of been willing to take. Hopefully there is some sort of handle on this soon. |
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Location: South Dakota | Ctrygirl14 - 2014-04-08 7:00 PM This is so frustrating! Thankfully I am not in any of the counties that these horses are in but those counties are close. My horses arnt going anywhere. There are still horse sales and shows going on and PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING. Its a scary situation. I also just heard from a friend this morning who sold her horse last week to a very well known barrel races and that horse is now out of state. Thankfully there was no horses at her barn with EHV-1 but that is not a risk I would of been willing to take. Hopefully there is some sort of handle on this soon.
I agree...why can't people stay home...sit tight, for 3 weeks?? I was hoping this would be a short term situation, but if people keep on hauling, it will turn out to be a real firestorm. |
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| Couldnt agree more. If we dont stop traveling, this will never end. People need to make the sacrifices and lay low. This includes horse sales, rodeos, stock events, shows, clinics, etc.
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Location: Way up North | While I agree on the not hauling part they are saying one of the new cases they think was brought in by a human as it was a closed barn that has been following the no in/out procedures. They also posted they think the horse can have the virus for an extended period of time before developing neuro symptoms and thus then be tested and be positive. So these "new" cases could in fact be from the first wave. |
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| AllAroundRider - 2014-04-08 8:12 PM
While I agree on the not hauling part they are saying one of the new cases they think was brought in by a human as it was a closed barn that has been following the no in/out procedures. They also posted they think the horse can have the virus for an extended period of time before developing neuro symptoms and thus then be tested and be positive. So these "new" cases could in fact be from the first wave.
Knowing which barn this is referencing, it could be an exposure from something previous since it can take awhile for the neuro symptoms to activate. I dont think we can prove one way or another how this stuff is spreading but i think no hauling is still much needed right now until they can get control of it. |
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| I don't want to stir the pot but I have a question that I haven't seen addressed. Maybe it has but I missed it. The horses that have tested positive does anyone know what kind of the yearly vaccine were used on these horses if any. Just wondering if there is a common starting point. It seems strange that it jumps from barn to barn that far away with the barns being closed. From what I have watched and read the life time on boot and clothing is only a few hours and shorter if exposed to sunlight. Just asking don't flame me. |
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Location: South Dakota | Mitzer - 2014-04-09 8:19 AM I don't want to stir the pot but I have a question that I haven't seen addressed. Maybe it has but I missed it. The horses that have tested positive does anyone know what kind of the yearly vaccine were used on these horses if any. Just wondering if there is a common starting point. It seems strange that it jumps from barn to barn that far away with the barns being closed. From what I have watched and read the life time on boot and clothing is only a few hours and shorter if exposed to sunlight. Just asking don't flame me.
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Location: Minnesota | Mitzer - 2014-04-09 8:19 AM
I don't want to stir the pot but I have a question that I haven't seen addressed. Maybe it has but I missed it. The horses that have tested positive does anyone know what kind of the yearly vaccine were used on these horses if any. Just wondering if there is a common starting point. It seems strange that it jumps from barn to barn that far away with the barns being closed. From what I have watched and read the life time on boot and clothing is only a few hours and shorter if exposed to sunlight. Just asking don't flame me.
From what I have read and heard there hasn't been any talk about if the horses that got infected were up to date on their shot. The horses that are infected and their locations have been kept pretty hush hush except for the county that the horse is in. This whole matter is complicated by the fact that this can travel via cloths, boots and such. I know you mentioned that it only lasts a few hours on clothing but that's enough time to travel from one barn to another. IMO there needs to be a mandatory lockdock in order to fix it. There is always going to be someone who thinks their horses won't get it and will continue to travel. |
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| No ones really addressed anything that specific. The earliest cases were before most people did spring shots as well. I understand that this is a different strain that the vaccine may not be 100% effective against, but I have to think it would help - kind of like the flu shot, it may not cover every strain every year, but most believe it helps. Our vet agrees.
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Location: Minnesota | OhMax - 2014-04-09 8:31 AM
No ones really addressed anything that specific. The earliest cases were before most people did spring shots as well. I understand that this is a different strain that the vaccine may not be 100% effective against, but I have to think it would help - kind of like the flu shot, it may not cover every strain every year, but most believe it helps. Our vet agrees.
I have all my shots done the beginning of April and I'm worried about having my vet out now. Its bad enough that I had my farrier out last week and now that I think of it, I shouldn't of had him come out. My herd isn't around other horses and I havent been around other horses or people with horses so I feel pretty safe.  |
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| Tractor supply carries a couple of the recommended disinfectants. Talk to your vet about biosecurity and disinfecting before they come on the property.
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| I agree that we all need to stay home and I am. My horses haven't been anywhere since Oct. But I believe there is more to it than contact, and to stop it we need to look at all avenues. |
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Location: Minnesota | OhMax - 2014-04-09 8:49 AM
Tractor supply carries a couple of the recommended disinfectants. Talk to your vet about biosecurity and disinfecting before they come on the property.
How close to the hot zone are you?
I'm close, unfortunately. |
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Location: Minnesota | UPDATE:
Horse 10 from St. Croix, WI came back positive.
Horse 11 from Isanti County, MN pending. |
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| Sad news to report, the Isanti case was humanely euthanized this morning :( Tests are still pending |
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Location: North Dakota | According to a post on fb from a lady that knows the Isanti horse that horse is new to that boarding facility. The horse was hauled to WSCA shows and other shows up to March 15th and was moved to that barn at the beginning of March. So this horse could very well have contracted the virus and just recently began showing signs. If your horse was hauled to Kuka, HCV, or Arrowhead in the past couple months your horse could possibly have been exposed. Please stay home!! |
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| Glad I've been on the lazy side and haven't hauled anywhere… The St. Croix County case is about a half hour from me… No good. Makes me nervous to be boarding. |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-09 10:36 AM
According to a post on fb from a lady that knows the Isanti horse that horse is new to that boarding facility. The horse was hauled to WSCA shows and other shows up to March 15th and was moved to that barn at the beginning of March. So this horse could very well have contracted the virus and just recently began showing signs. If your horse was hauled to Kuka, HCV, or Arrowhead in the past couple months your horse could possibly have been exposed. Please stay home!!
Yes from my sources, this information is correct. I am not sold either that this was brought in my a person. I think that this horse could have been exposed at any of its shows and being moved to a new facility, new ownership could easily have caused increased stress.
Such a sad ordeal and I keep praying for all these families. I look at my guy everyday and just realize how lucky I am. |
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| Mitzer - 2014-04-09 8:19 AM
I don't want to stir the pot but I have a question that I haven't seen addressed. Maybe it has but I missed it. The horses that have tested positive does anyone know what kind of the yearly vaccine were used on these horses if any. Just wondering if there is a common starting point. It seems strange that it jumps from barn to barn that far away with the barns being closed. From what I have watched and read the life time on boot and clothing is only a few hours and shorter if exposed to sunlight. Just asking don't flame me.
As mentioned, I am not conviced this horse contracted it from a person... its possible but this horse has been at quite a few outings. There is a lot of overlap between these horses. I know many horses that compete at both Arrowhead and at Hi Circle Vee that were also at Winona. |
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Location: North Dakota | This is absolutely heartbreaking. I can not believe ANYONE would continue to haul. Even here in ND it's been made clear that if a MN trailer is seen, the driver will promptly be given an  whooping. My barn is even on lockdown. |
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| Please explain to me 2 very good vets said that we are safe to go that its horses with comprimised imune systems. |
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Location: Way up North | cavyrunsbarrels - 2014-04-09 9:43 PM This is absolutely heartbreaking. I can not believe ANYONE would continue to haul. Even here in ND it's been made clear that if a MN trailer is seen, the driver will promptly be given an whooping. My barn is even on lockdown.
Really??? Considering my horses have not been in or out since Oct. and I have not been around any other people that have even a potential of being exposed I think it's pretty crappy of you to think you have any right to lump all MN trailers into one and think you're going to give them an a$$ whopping. Give me a break. |
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Location: Iowa | I'd be careful then walking into a store, anywhere off your farm unless you have disposable boots on. You can carry it home. To each their own, but there are things we can manage and things we can't. |
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Location: Southwest Minnesota | Update from the MN Horse Expo...
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10152293750498758&id=292583143757 |
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Location: Kansas | Sickness is around year after year and to my knowledge vaccines have always been a shot in the dark. To many strains of flu and rhino and horses shed this stuff and people carry it your best preventitive is boost the immune system. If the horses were vaccinated you will never know that would ruin the big money they make on the vaccines. This will be big news again next year and the year after. Its a bad deal but vaccines have never ever stopped illness from happening. |
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Location: mn | H2O - 2014-04-09 9:48 PM Please explain to me 2 very good vets said that we are safe to go that its horses with comprimised imune systems. I guess I"d be looking for a better vet.
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Location: mn | AllAroundRider - 2014-04-09 9:59 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2014-04-09 9:43 PM This is absolutely heartbreaking. I can not believe ANYONE would continue to haul. Even here in ND it's been made clear that if a MN trailer is seen, the driver will promptly be given an whooping. My barn is even on lockdown.
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| northerngirl - 2014-04-10 1:34 AM
H2O - 2014-04-09 9:48 PM Please explain to me 2 very good vets said that we are safe to go that its horses with comprimised imune systems.
I guess I"d be looking for a better vet. Quickly. No offense but is more of a bovine vet?
I have to agree. Knowing a few horses effected, I would say these horses are not suffering from a poor immune system... I can name three that are fit, younger, healthy horses who travel frequently and two were euthanized. I think its a very ignorant statement to make that only horses with weak immune systems can suffer from this virus.
As far as the ND people shunning us, I agree that we SHOULDNT be hauling... I am not and my horse hasnt been anywhere and I have not visited any farms. I dont think this matters much at this point. I look at as even if my horse is healthy, I go somewhere, my horse gets exposed and doesnt get symptoms but SHEDS to another and that horse gets sick and say passes away... i dont wanna be responsible for that.
HOWEVER, if I am not mistaken we had a few races up in your area right around the time this started and there is no guarantee you dont have horses shedding this virus.
I know we can never be safe but right now I think its irresponsible to be traveling, this is my opinion. Yes, every time we haul them, we expose them but this is presenting a much greater risk and we KNOW its out there and active. Just too much risk for me. I cant stop others but I can do what I can.
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Location: Way up North | northerngirl - 2014-04-10 1:53 AM AllAroundRider - 2014-04-09 9:59 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2014-04-09 9:43 PM This is absolutely heartbreaking. I can not believe ANYONE would continue to haul. Even here in ND it's been made clear that if a MN trailer is seen, the driver will promptly be given an whooping. My barn is even on lockdown. top giving people a break. We should NOT be traveling. And you know it.
People have lost their ever loving marbles over this and common sense with it. No I am not saying people should be hauling but people also shouldn't be up in arms everytime they see a trailer especially when they don't know there is even a horse in there, could be a couch for God's sake! Posting pictures of peoples rigs on Facebook is ridiculous. My vet is in ND and thankfully she comes out this way often but if I had something that really needed work I would haul to them and I shouldn't have to wonder who thinks they have any right to come beat me up over it. |
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Location: mn | AllAroundRider - 2014-04-10 7:40 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-10 1:53 AM AllAroundRider - 2014-04-09 9:59 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2014-04-09 9:43 PM This is absolutely heartbreaking. I can not believe ANYONE would continue to haul. Even here in ND it's been made clear that if a MN trailer is seen, the driver will promptly be given an whooping. My barn is even on lockdown. top giving people a break. We should NOT be traveling. And you know it.
I get that. And see where you're coming from. I guess I'm refering more to people hauling to barrel races. Because some are. |
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| Just read this morning no they arent bovine vets. And another friend goes to a top vet I dont know him but by reputation and he pretty much told her the same thing. This is not in Minesota however. There are huge barrel races going on this month and they are continuing with them . |
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Location: Midwest | Unless you are in the area of the outbreak (IE MN or surrounding states), the chances of your horse contracting EHV-1 are pretty minimal.
I'm in IN and if I didn't have to work this weekend, I'd probably try to make the Panty Raid.
We had a few outbreaks last year, but they were later into the summer. They were isolated and some of the horses had not left their properties. It is my understanding that some horses harbor this disease throughout life, like the virus that causes cold sores in humans, and that stress can prompt an outbreak. |
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Location: North Dakota | I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
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Location: Here | Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do |
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Location: Midwest | SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do
I thought I read on one of the updates that the Iowa horse was stabled in MN and diagnosed after moving to a boarding stable in IA, so it was likely exposed while still in MN |
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Location: North Dakota | SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do
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Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do
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Location: North Dakota | barrelracr131 - 2014-04-10 10:16 AM SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do
There was a case in CO as well and I'm not sure how that ties in with the MN cases. I haven't heard if they have that tracked down yet or not. |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 11:25 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-04-10 10:16 AM SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do
The Iowa case traveled to MN and back in the same weekend (same day I believe) and returned to the stable it had been boarded at. No horses have left since it's return and no other cases have been found in Iowa.
Because of the nature of EHV and the fact that carriers can start to shed again at any point in their life it's quite possible that not all of the cases have a common thread. Sure some of the MN cases are related certainly, but it's entirely possible that the horses who had not traveled are victims of coincednece. There's an ehv outbreak somewhere every spring, just like there's a flu season every year.
People stressing terribly about it had better be careful, the chicken pox virus they likely carry might flair up and give them shingles...I hear that isn't pleasant.
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Location: south dakota | To clear it up I just recieved and email from the SD State Vet and NO cases in South Dakota. |
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Location: Here | c-cross - 2014-04-10 10:49 AM To clear it up I just recieved and email from the SD State Vet and NO cases in South Dakota.
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Location: Here | WrapN3MN - 2014-04-10 10:22 AM SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do Nice. . . let the rumors fly.
 There are no Rumors. There was a guy that hauled out of MN in a hot zone to SD to a barrel race.
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Location: North Dakota | c-cross - 2014-04-10 10:49 AM To clear it up I just recieved and email from the SD State Vet and NO cases in South Dakota.
GREAT to hear! I read an article yesterday that said there was a case. So glad to hear that is not the case. That freaked me out more than the MN cases since I live closer to SD and travel that way a lot and was super bummed that it had spread over to this area. I just want this to pass so we can go on with our barrel racing lives. :) |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 11:02 AM c-cross - 2014-04-10 10:49 AM To clear it up I just recieved and email from the SD State Vet and NO cases in South Dakota. GREAT to hear! I read an article yesterday that said there was a case. So glad to hear that is not the case. That freaked me out more than the MN cases since I live closer to SD and travel that way a lot and was super bummed that it had spread over to this area. I just want this to pass so we can go on with our barrel racing lives. :)
Article seems to be a misquote. Glad we can clear that up and move on. |
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| Here is the press release directly from the SD Animal Industry Board website. I believe the news article misinterpreted/misquoted the press release, and caused a lot of worry as a result. I'm in NE SD, and my vet hasn't heard anything about a case being confirmed in SD.
https://aib.sd.gov/News/PDF%20Files/2014.4.8%20correction.pdf |
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Location: ND | you guys do realize that this shows up in horses that never get seen by a vet or confirmed by labwork, right???? |
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Location: WI | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-10 11:31 AM you guys do realize that this shows up in horses that never get seen by a vet or confirmed by labwork, right????
Respiratory, yes. Nuerological, doubt it. All these confirmed cases are nuero. |
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Location: Midwest | linds - 2014-04-10 11:46 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-10 11:31 AM you guys do realize that this shows up in horses that never get seen by a vet or confirmed by labwork, right???? Respiratory, yes. Nuerological, doubt it. All these confirmed cases are nuero.
Think of the horses that go down or die in pastures. Not everyone uses vets or even want to pay for the testing... lots of people just put a horse down without testing it. Especially "backyard" type horses. Those types often also get hauled around for jackpots, trail rides, etc etc....
This disease shows up every year. In fact, one of the horses in my area that came up positive last year was this type of horse. I am pretty sure the only reason it was ever confirmed was because it was boarded... it was not vaccinated and had been to our local jackpots. No other horses got it.
Basically he's saying that everyone has a chance of getting this every year..
Is this "neuro" strain similar to the mutation of HSV in humans that is thought to be linked to Bell's palsy? |
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WrapN3MN - 2014-04-10 10:22 AM SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do Nice. . . let the rumors fly. There are no Rumors. There was a guy that hauled out of MN in a hot zone to SD to a barrel race. So how is that a RUMOR??? I am confused
Didn't say your post was a rumor, I can just see people taking that info and running with it. How many trailers do you think crossed the MN/SD boarder last weekend? Not just one. . . Don't think its fair to speculate about one person. He doesn't live in the hot zone anyway.
Like it was posted already, there isn't a case in SD. It was misinformation.
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 11:02 AM c-cross - 2014-04-10 10:49 AM To clear it up I just recieved and email from the SD State Vet and NO cases in South Dakota. GREAT to hear! I read an article yesterday that said there was a case. So glad to hear that is not the case. That freaked me out more than the MN cases since I live closer to SD and travel that way a lot and was super bummed that it had spread over to this area. I just want this to pass so we can go on with our barrel racing lives. :)
I talked to a friend in SD and he said Keloland reported the State Vet said it was in SD. However my friend contacted the state vet and he said it was a misquote. The correct quote was something along the lines of EHV historically being found in SD.
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| Remembering a few years ago at a similar time of year -- is there any relationship with the end of winter weather that triggers the onset?
I remember that there were several no-shows at Ft. Smith that year, which is just around the corner. |
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Location: North Dakota | lonely va barrelxr - 2014-04-10 12:30 PM Remembering a few years ago at a similar time of year -- is there any relationship with the end of winter weather that triggers the onset?
I remember that there were several no-shows at Ft. Smith that year, which is just around the corner.
People beginning to haul and most events especially up here this time of year are indoors with close quarters. But I know this time of year my horses go through a blah phase. It must have something to do with the change of weather. It can be really hard on them....below 0 one day then 40 the next and down to below freezing at night again then up to 60. It really messes with them. Then add in the stress of starting to get out and ridden again after time off. It can all take its toll. I'm not saying that is why this seems to pop up this time of year but it could definitely have something to do with it. |
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Location: North Dakota | I also read that the virus likes the wet and cold conditions such as springs like this one. Hopefully with the warmer weather arriving it will start to settle down. |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 10:18 AM
SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do Well that's what I'm wondering. I guess there was an MRA in SD a couple weeks ago and then I know a few SD runners were at that run at Arrowhead. I wish more info would come out about it. But maybe it isn't confirmed yet so they are waiting.
There have not been any runs at Arrowhead this year? |
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Location: iowa | the iowa horse is not a barrelhorse. and it is the only confirmed case. |
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| I see so much dissension in this forum. Hope you al realize that this isn't like any other horse disease we have seen in a while. This is a virus that is actively evolving to become more virulent and more powerful (10 x's). It is a genetic polymorphism taking place at the a-2254 and g-2254 markers. In the virus world this virus capsid (the protein container for the virus)is like a frigging bus. It can hold 100x's the DNA of a regular virus. The a-2254 is the wild strain while the g-2254 is the nasty neuro strain. This virus is big, it's powerful and it's been utilized by pharma companies as a medium for "friendly" virus's. One company is actively researching it for an HIV vaccine. What does this mean for us as horse owners? (1. Despite a fairly new assay test being devised they cannot reliably test your horse (2. You are dealing with a "superbug" and (3. There is no way to tell what this virus will do as it is evolving. Your vet. ,unless he or she likes to sit up all night and read dry research papers probably is unaware of everything that has and is taking place with this virus. It's up to us as responsible horse owners to take the appropriate measures to protect our horses. This is not a year to show off or put your own ego ahead of your horse. I see no action from USDA and our states to protect our horses. That leaves us. Can we at least unite on this one cause? |
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Location: South Dakota | Iowafarmgal - 2014-04-11 3:01 AM I see so much dissension in this forum. Hope you al realize that this isn't like any other horse disease we have seen in a while. This is a virus that is actively evolving to become more virulent and more powerful (10 x's). It is a genetic polymorphism taking place at the a-2254 and g-2254 markers. In the virus world this virus capsid (the protein container for the virus)is like a frigging bus. It can hold 100x's the DNA of a regular virus. The a-2254 is the wild strain while the g-2254 is the nasty neuro strain. This virus is big, it's powerful and it's been utilized by pharma companies as a medium for "friendly" virus's. One company is actively researching it for an HIV vaccine. What does this mean for us as horse owners? (1. Despite a fairly new assay test being devised they cannot reliably test your horse (2. You are dealing with a "superbug" and (3. There is no way to tell what this virus will do as it is evolving. Your vet. ,unless he or she likes to sit up all night and read dry research papers probably is unaware of everything that has and is taking place with this virus. It's up to us as responsible horse owners to take the appropriate measures to protect our horses. This is not a year to show off or put your own ego ahead of your horse. I see no action from USDA and our states to protect our horses. That leaves us. Can we at least unite on this one cause?
Very scary indeed.....I hope you are wrong...
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Location: Midwest | Iowafarmgal - 2014-04-11 3:01 AM I see so much dissension in this forum. Hope you al realize that this isn't like any other horse disease we have seen in a while. This is a virus that is actively evolving to become more virulent and more powerful (10 x's). It is a genetic polymorphism taking place at the a-2254 and g-2254 markers. In the virus world this virus capsid (the protein container for the virus)is like a frigging bus. It can hold 100x's the DNA of a regular virus. The a-2254 is the wild strain while the g-2254 is the nasty neuro strain. This virus is big, it's powerful and it's been utilized by pharma companies as a medium for "friendly" virus's. One company is actively researching it for an HIV vaccine. What does this mean for us as horse owners? (1. Despite a fairly new assay test being devised they cannot reliably test your horse (2. You are dealing with a "superbug" and (3. There is no way to tell what this virus will do as it is evolving. Your vet. ,unless he or she likes to sit up all night and read dry research papers probably is unaware of everything that has and is taking place with this virus. It's up to us as responsible horse owners to take the appropriate measures to protect our horses. This is not a year to show off or put your own ego ahead of your horse. I see no action from USDA and our states to protect our horses. That leaves us. Can we at least unite on this one cause?
Size does not neccessarily correlate with virulence
And the types of research being pursued do not really indicate virulence either.
People need to be responisible, but I don't really see anyone here "showing off" as you say. |
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Location: North Dakota | 3canchaser01 - 2014-04-10 3:43 PM
Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 10:18 AM
SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do Well that's what I'm wondering. I guess there was an MRA in SD a couple weeks ago and then I know a few SD runners were at that run at Arrowhead. I wish more info would come out about it. But maybe it isn't confirmed yet so they are waiting.
There have not been any runs at Arrowhead this year?
Excuse me I meant to type Winona. I must have had Arrowhead on my mind. Sometimes my fingers are quicker than my brain...lol. |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-11 10:21 AM
3canchaser01 - 2014-04-10 3:43 PM
Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 10:18 AM
SG. - 2014-04-10 10:08 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-10 9:57 AM I am not hauling and I am in ND. But I am on the SE side. Most everyone I know on the eastern side of the state is not hauling. I do know a few people still hauling to open ridings but otherwise most everyone is keeping put and all barrel races and clinics have been cancelled or postponed. There have been a few cases found in other states that are quite a ways away from MN so it is too early to say it is an isolated incident. I heard yesterday of a case now in SD. I have not heard much more than that...I don't even know where at and if it is a barrel horse or where it has been.
I wonder if it came from the guy hauling out of a hotzone in MN to SD... What a not smart thing to do Well that's what I'm wondering. I guess there was an MRA in SD a couple weeks ago and then I know a few SD runners were at that run at Arrowhead. I wish more info would come out about it. But maybe it isn't confirmed yet so they are waiting.
There have not been any runs at Arrowhead this year?
Excuse me I meant to type Winona. I must have had Arrowhead on my mind. Sometimes my fingers are quicker than my brain...lol.
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| Now 3 confirmed in ND.
http://www.nd.gov/ndda/disease/equine-herpes-virus-type-1 |
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| I was at Colorado State University Vet Hospital the other day. They have two in isolation now.
When it hit here May 2011, everything was canceled or postponed. I had just bought a horse when it was hitting and the lady I was going to board with said "no way, you will have to wait." Then when I took him up to our ranch in the middle of nowhere, people came knocking at the door, wanting to know where he came from.
Even the monthly tack sale shut down for two months. I remember being frustrated, but looking back I'm so glad. I'm not sure why the uber vigilance is not the same everywhere...scary!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This is what happens when people get too hysterical. Every horse with a snotty nose will become a suspected case of EHV-1, and everyone will just get more and more agitated. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-04-12 7:57 AM
these are not neurologic cases
None of them. They show neuro symptoms but are not true neuro cases. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-12 9:38 AM
This is what happens when people get too hysterical. Every horse with a snotty nose will become a suspected case of EHV-1, and everyone will just get more and more agitated.
These are 3 confirmed cases. If you click on the link and then the Equine Herpes Virus Type 1 link it shows cases in the middle of ND. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The biggest reason for concern in this whole outbreak is because vaccines do not confer immunity against the neuropathic strain of EHV-1 and the mortality rate is as high as 40%. According to the ND website, the reported cases were/are not neuropathic strains. If that's true, then vaccinating for rhino ought to be protective, and those cases were theoretically preventable. |
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| It's nature's way. It's called "Weeding out the stupid"! Some people will be smart enough to keep their horses safe. Those who are not, their horses may have to pay the price. Obviously those whose horses contracted it in the early stages had no responsibility as it was unknown at the time. They were innocent victims of someone else's foolish/selfish decision to haul/sell a sick horse. Does anyone know who was the first horse known to have contracted this in the area? I was not following this at the beginning so excuse my lack of information, but it is obviously getting out of hand due to the insanity of people who can't stay home. |
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| bingo - 2014-04-12 4:34 PM
It's nature's way. It's called "Weeding out the stupid"! Some people will be smart enough to keep their horses safe. Those who are not, their horses may have to pay the price. Obviously those whose horses contracted it in the early stages had no responsibility as it was unknown at the time. They were innocent victims of someone else's foolish/selfish decision to haul/sell a sick horse. Does anyone know who was the first horse known to have contracted this in the area? I was not following this at the beginning so excuse my lack of information, but it is obviously getting out of hand due to the insanity of people who can't stay home.
I believe the first (first REPORTED) horse was the one in Winona (who was not showing any signs/symptoms at the arena). I believe that horse was from Dakota County. Its been awhile, so I am trying to remember correctly. I dont know anyone knowingly has hauled or sold sick horses. I think this was just an issue of weakened immune systems from winter and the start of hauling season increasing stress levels in horses. No one is at fault for the start of this.
However, I do think those are are so h3ll bent on showing/sales/etc are now going to be at fault if they dont cool their jets and just lay low for a couple weeks. I realize they are exposing their horses but that horse could come in contact with my horse and I havnt been hauling and now my horse could get sick. Its a slippery slope and just think the smartest decision is to wait it out. We will all survive a few more weeks at home. |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-12 1:01 PM The biggest reason for concern in this whole outbreak is because vaccines do not confer immunity against the neuropathic strain of EHV-1 and the mortality rate is as high as 40%. According to the ND website, the reported cases were/are not neuropathic strains. If that's true, then vaccinating for rhino ought to be protective, and those cases were theoretically preventable.
None of the cases in MN tested positive for the neuro strain either but they all showed neuro signs just like these in ND. It is a mutant strain that there is no vaccine for. |
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Location: North Dakota | Well the latest I am hearing is that they are saying these ND horses did not get it from MN horses. They are leaning towards it being an isolated case. There were rumors that one of them was at a barrel race but then people said they know the horses and they were definitely not at any barrel races recently. I don't even know if they are barrel horses. I wish more info would come out. I don't care who owns them because that is none of our business but I feel it is our business to know where theses horses have been. |
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Location: ND | Just Bring It - 2014-04-14 6:43 AM Well the latest I am hearing is that they are saying these ND horses did not get it from MN horses. They are leaning towards it being an isolated case. There were rumors that one of them was at a barrel race but then people said they know the horses and they were definitely not at any barrel races recently. I don't even know if they are barrel horses. I wish more info would come out. I don't care who owns them because that is none of our business but I feel it is our business to know where theses horses have been.
Isn't it impressive how the rumor mill is working right now!!! I've heard both that the horses where at a barrel race and that they where at private barns with no horses in/out recently. But I guess in all reality it doesn't matter, my horses are just staying home until my vet tells me that he feels ok with me hauling again. |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-12 1:01 PM The biggest reason for concern in this whole outbreak is because vaccines do not confer immunity against the neuropathic strain of EHV-1 and the mortality rate is as high as 40%. According to the ND website, the reported cases were/are not neuropathic strains. If that's true, then vaccinating for rhino ought to be protective, and those cases were theoretically preventable.
I spoke to a vet on Saturday night and that is exactly what he said. Vaccinate your horses and take the necessary precautions when hauling. No sharing buckets and keep your horses from rubbing noses and azzes with other horses. |
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Location: North Dakota | From the ND WPRA director.
Just got off the phone with the ND State Vet's Office. I am not going to go into how this EVH-1 is spread, you can all read up. There are many articles on it. I will let you know this. Two of the 3 horses are on and have been confined to one farm since their positive test WHICH WAS IN FEBRUARY. The state was not notified till later. These horses are basically recovered and have been quarantined the entire time. The 3rd horse was diagnosed last week. It has not left the county anytime recently but was hauled to an event in the county roughly 3 weeks ago (we cannot say it was or was not exposed there. There is no way to tell.) Many horses with EVH-1, even not the neuro strain, exhibit neuro symptoms. This type of EVH-1 usually presents symptoms within days of exposure. From that date of the last positive test, with this strain, 10-14 days is recommended no travel time. As WPRA badlands director, I asked if the 3rd positive test was hauled to Fargo pro rodeo. She said no, that the horse had not left the county. Right now she did not know of any new positive tests. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2014-04-14 10:17 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-12 1:01 PM The biggest reason for concern in this whole outbreak is because vaccines do not confer immunity against the neuropathic strain of EHV-1 and the mortality rate is as high as 40%. According to the ND website, the reported cases were/are not neuropathic strains. If that's true, then vaccinating for rhino ought to be protective, and those cases were theoretically preventable. I spoke to a vet on Saturday night and that is exactly what he said. Vaccinate your horses and take the necessary precautions when hauling. No sharing buckets and keep your horses from rubbing noses and azzes with other horses.
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| In an attempt to clarify without fanning any flames...
The horses in MN, WI, IA and ND all tested positive for the non-neuropathogenic (non-neuropathic) strain of EHV. When the first positives came back, the laboratories were very clear that this was the NON-neuropathic strain that indeed, caused neurological signs and suggested that this virus was a mutated version of the virus. This alarms me, to be honest, and the fact that the three horses in ND tested positive for the same type of virus suggest a connection (at least to me). I am following this closely--I live here and have horses under quarantine.
From Stillwater Equine Veterinary Service and Anoka Equine's FB page (they have tons of updates):
"This outbreak involves the Equine Herpes Virse 1 (EHV-1) non neuropathogenic strain (this strain can cause neurologic symptoms however this strain is much less virulent than the neuropathogenic strain)."
"Understanding the testing can be confusing - distinguishing between the respiratory and the neurologic form. Because a horse tests for the non-neuropathogenic strain does NOT mean they are not neurologic. For some reason this strain is causing neurologic tendencies. Many of these horses tested are neurologic meaning off balance, falling down, unable to rise, unable to urinate normally. It is very costly to treat these horses and they have a high fatality rate.
What people need to realize is that this is a very serious disease, and is easily transmittable. Half of the horses that have tested positive are now deceased. Those that do make it but have had neurologic tendencies may never be “right” again.
We have been in close contact with some of the leading experts on this disease and they all agree there is a neurologic theme to this strain despite it’s name and suggest that we continue to treat the symptoms and manage the disease not just the virus type."
"There is no vaccine with a label claim of protection against the neurologic form of EHV-1"
Hope this helps clarify. Even the best vaccinated horses can succumb to the neurological form of the disease. |
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Another positive EHV-1 in Minnesota