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Location: Kansas | After years of allowing the Brazilian bull riders to wallow, soak, and take the edge off these great PBR bulls, the PBR has finally initiated a time limit. Once the bull rope is pulled you have one minute to call for the gate to open. Four Brazilians have already been disqualified in the last two weeks. Now they'll need another rule change because they're taking extra time to get their bull ropes adjusted. In my opinion if this is the way they like to ride, go back to Brazilian bull riding events. I'm sure there are plenty. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | There are, but none with the money the PBR puts up. That is why they are all here. |
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Location: Phoenix | I think it's great for the whole sport and for spectators. The time in the chute makes bull riding agonizingly slow. That's why I never watch! |
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Take note of how many have bucked off since this rule came about.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | barrelracr131 - 2014-04-07 9:43 AM Explain what soaking is por favor
I'm not in the know
Taking your time before you nod in an effort to wear down the animal. On, off, sitting on them forever, "oh it's laying on my leg, I've got to start over. Waaahhhhhhh!" |
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That's about what I thought, but I didn't want to assume. |
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Location: South Texas | I wonder if they are going to start watching the Brazilians when the bulls are in the loading alleys in the back. I have seen many of them soak their bull in the loading alley way before it even gets in the chute. And now that I think about it, it's not only the Brazilians I've seen using this technique in the loading alleys. |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | It has always been a rule but is now being enforced. Be interesting to see the buck off percentage with the rule being enforced.
For spectators they need to be quick, but also for the animal they need to get in and get out. I've always been told the most dangerous place in rough stock is the chute, so I don't understand why you'd take anymore time then nessecery in there. |
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Location: Kansas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-07 9:47 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-04-07 9:43 AM Explain what soaking is por favor
I'm not in the know Taking your time before you nod in an effort to wear down the animal. On, off, sitting on them forever, "oh it's laying on my leg, I've got to start over. Waaahhhhhhh!"
Not to mention adjusting your hat over and over again, pulling your glove up, messing with your chaps and yesterday even a little prayer thing went on when the job was to get on with it.
Yes the stock contractors are in the middle of it. A few weeks ago the lady contractor told a Brazilian "Quit wallowing my bull or get off." The little bull Stone Sober, becoming a star, was soaked for so long a couple of weeks ago, he basically refused to try when they opened the gate. A reride bull was awarded. Brazilians also pull the rope tighter than most and cut their air off. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Adriano Moraes had several guys pulling his rope when he went 10 for 10 years ago. Pretty much cut the bull in two so he didn't/couldn't buck. |
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Location: Kansas | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-04-07 12:19 PM
Adriano Moraes had several guys pulling his rope when he went 10 for 10 years ago. Pretty much cut the bull in two so he didn't/couldn't buck.
The PBR also put a stop to that. You can't have one more than one person pulling your rope now.
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| My brother was an amateur rodeo stock producer over 25 years ago and they were doing this then. My dad would warn them about pulling the bull ropes too tight or waiting too ling to call for the gate and if they kept doing it he just turned the bull out or hot shot the cowboy when he called for the gate. Back then a good bull was hard to come by and the south Texas amateur stock producers were some tough old guys. |
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Location: Kansas | GLP - 2014-04-07 12:34 PM My brother was an amateur rodeo stock producer over 25 years ago and they were doing this then. My dad would warn them about pulling the bull ropes too tight or waiting too ling to call for the gate and if they kept doing it he just turned the bull out or hot shot the cowboy when he called for the gate. Back then a good bull was hard to come by and the south Texas amateur stock producers were some tough old guys.
Not to mention the bulls are worth a "lot" of money for their bucking ability. If cowboys ruin them for competition they're expensive hamburgers.
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Location: My Own Little World | There are rules for the speed event folks as to how long you get to start the pattern, why not for a roughie? Maybe they need a ref to watch them. Just like a football ref lol |
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Location: Here | Lurker2 - 2014-04-07 1:29 PM Can you imagine if we barrel racers tried to pull stunts like that?! It's hurry up and get your horse out there and don't be wasting time!
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Location: In a happy place | SG. - 2014-04-07 1:44 PM Lurker2 - 2014-04-07 1:29 PM Can you imagine if we barrel racers tried to pull stunts like that?! It's hurry up and get your horse out there and don't be wasting time! I agree
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-04-07 2:50 PM SG. - 2014-04-07 1:44 PM Lurker2 - 2014-04-07 1:29 PM Can you imagine if we barrel racers tried to pull stunts like that?! It's hurry up and get your horse out there and don't be wasting time! I agree
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Location: Arkansas | Foxy J.R. - 2014-04-07 10:04 AM I wonder if they are going to start watching the Brazilians when the bulls are in the loading alleys in the back. I have seen many of them soak their bull in the loading alley way before it even gets in the chute. And now that I think about it, it's not only the Brazilians I've seen using this technique in the loading alleys.
Maybe they need to impliment a ruling that says, "Look but don't touch!" |
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Location: Kansas | I'm a little lost. What do they do to them in the alley that wouldn't bring the stock contractor down on them in a heartbeat. Wasn't aware of any mischief back there.
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Location: South Texas | Frodo, to keep things moving fast the bull riders were to put their rope on the bull in the loading alley (basically just draping the rope around the bull & tying it off) so when it was run in the chute all they would have to do is warm their rosen, pull their rope and nod. I have seen bull riders putting their ropes on and tightening it over & over while the bull is in the loading alley. The contractor would need eyes in the back of his head to see this happening. |
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| Frodo - 2014-04-07 3:08 PM
I'm a little lost. What do they do to them in the alley that wouldn't bring the stock contractor down on them in a heartbeat. Wasn't aware of any mischief back there.
I don't know about the PBR but at some ammi rodeos and PRCA rodeos guys will hang their ropes while the bulls are standing in the lead up. They will pull their ropes as tight as they can and lock them off until the animal has to move forward. Sometimes they get caught sometimes they don't, usually when they get caught they are just asked to loosen their ropes. It is not until they deny or have been asked on several occasions that any type of fine or disqualification is assessed. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Wow I have learned something new today!...............had no clue this kind of stuff went on.......... |
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Location: Colorado | cyount2009 - 2014-04-07 2:30 PM
Frodo - 2014-04-07 3:08 PM
I'm a little lost. What do they do to them in the alley that wouldn't bring the stock contractor down on them in a heartbeat. Wasn't aware of any mischief back there.
I don't know about the PBR but at some ammi rodeos and PRCA rodeos guys will hang their ropes while the bulls are standing in the lead up. They will pull their ropes as tight as they can and lock them off until the animal has to move forward. Sometimes they get caught sometimes they don't, usually when they get caught they are just asked to loosen their ropes. It is not until they deny or have been asked on several occasions that any type of fine or disqualification is assessed.
That sounds alittle bit like cheating to me. Glad PBR finally recognized some things needed changed. |
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Location: Arkansas | Foxy J.R. - 2014-04-07 3:29 PM Frodo, to keep things moving fast the bull riders were to put their rope on the bull in the loading alley (basically just draping the rope around the bull & tying it off) so when it was run in the chute all they would have to do is warm their rosen, pull their rope and nod. I have seen bull riders putting their ropes on and tightening it over & over while the bull is in the loading alley. The contractor would need eyes in the back of his head to see this happening.
That's cheating!! 
So, when a bull rider has a good ride, it's not because he could stay on. Hmm, a whole new light to bull rider's.
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Sounds to me like they should hand their rope to a rodeo personnel in the alley and the same person puts on all the ropes...
Time to really man up boys.
That would open way to many technical doors. Roughies are pretty particular about the way their gear is handled before a ride. Putting the rope on in the lead up allows the cowboy to be sure the rope is adjusted to that bull. Some need the rope let way out some need it taken in. You can look at a bull and guess what kind of adjustment he needs but you don't really know until its hanging. Then there is always a chance of someone accidentally dropping a rope in the bottom of chute. Heaven forbid anyone touch the handle with a bare hand before a ride! I have seen some guys go absolutely ape poop over that!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | CJE - 2014-04-07 3:32 PM Wow I have learned something new today!...............had no clue this kind of stuff went on..........
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| I have loved this new rule! When you watch the PBR before the rule you would see how long those Brazilians would sit in the chutes on their bull, they would take FOREVER if that bull was leaning just a hair they wouldn't nod their head and the more and more they sat and the chute and messed with the bull trying to get them to be just perfect the more it took out of the bull. If you watch riders like JB Mauney he nods his head as he is sliding up on his rope and doesn't always have his legs just right or anything. I've noticed since this rule the Brazilians have been getting bucked off more... |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | cyount2009 - 2014-04-07 4:24 PM
OhMax - 2014-04-07 4:11 PM
Sounds to me like they should hand their rope to a rodeo personnel in the alley and the same person puts on all the ropes...
Time to really man up boys.
That would open way to many technical doors. Roughies are pretty particular about the way their gear is handled before a ride. Putting the rope on in the lead up allows the cowboy to be sure the rope is adjusted to that bull. Some need the rope let way out some need it taken in. You can look at a bull and guess what kind of adjustment he needs but you don't really know until its hanging. Then there is always a chance of someone accidentally dropping a rope in the bottom of chute. Heaven forbid anyone touch the handle with a bare hand before a ride! I have seen some guys go absolutely ape poop over that!
True people have their own ways of doing things but it's all about being fair to everyone. What if they allowed you to put your rope on before he chutes (like they do now) but they only allow you to do it while someone is watching. Have a contractor go down the line and watch each rider put it on. After they have made the adjustments for fit then your not allowed to touch the bull until its time to sit on them in the chutes. Touching them would be an instant disqualification..... Have someone watching them put them on and some one keeping an eye on the all the bulls from afar. |
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| This has been in place for quite a few years if I recall correctly. I am not sure if this is different now but it has always been they only have a certain amount of time in the chutes or they will get fined.
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Location: Kansas | SassyPirate, the one minute rule is new to the PBR. Yes they now get disqualifed. Silvano Alves has been disqualified twice in the last two weeks, Renato Nunes once and Valderon Oliveria once. They're pushing it to the limit not believing the judges are dead serious. Ty Murray pointed out at his Invitational that these riders could help the bulls greatly if they'd just try to position the animals themselves with their feets and bodies, but they choose to bounce around on them, slap, wiggle and shove their bodies back and forth........then they think they have to start all over again redoing their ropes. Very tough on an animal and yes it's cheating.
....and when I say "disqualified" the judge just simply says "Get off the bull." It makes you want to cheer.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Frodo - 2014-04-07 7:30 PM SassyPirate, the one minute rule is new to the PBR. Yes they now get disqualifed. Silvano Alves has been disqualified twice in the last two weeks, Renato Nunes once and Valderon Oliveria once. They're pushing it to the limit not believing the judges are dead serious. Ty Murray pointed out at his Invitational that these riders could help the bulls greatly if they'd just try to position the animals themselves with their feets and bodies, but they choose to bounce around on them, slap, wiggle and shove their bodies back and forth........then they think they have to start all over again redoing their ropes. Very tough on an animal and yes it's cheating.
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Location: Kansas | Southtxponygirl - 2014-04-07 7:33 PM Frodo - 2014-04-07 7:30 PM SassyPirate, the one minute rule is new to the PBR. Yes they now get disqualifed. Silvano Alves has been disqualified twice in the last two weeks, Renato Nunes once and Valderon Oliveria once. They're pushing it to the limit not believing the judges are dead serious. Ty Murray pointed out at his Invitational that these riders could help the bulls greatly if they'd just try to position the animals themselves with their feets and bodies, but they choose to bounce around on them, slap, wiggle and shove their bodies back and forth........then they think they have to start all over again redoing their ropes. Very tough on an animal and yes it's cheating. Sounds like to me these Brazilian dudes need to be riding in the Mexican rodeos not here in the US.
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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | Don't really think this behaviour is limited to just the Brazillians... but I do have a solution.... give them as long as the barrel racers have when they call our name at a rodeo... same should go for Steer Wrestlers too. |
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Location: Arkansas | Oregonracer2 - 2014-04-07 7:50 PM Don't really think this behaviour is limited to just the Brazillians... but I do have a solution.... give them as long as the barrel racers have when they call our name at a rodeo... same should go for Steer Wrestlers too.
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | but aren't the steer wrestlers tiring their horses out too by walking up and back, turning them around and waddling around on their back getting them to line up?
When I'm sitting on my mare watching a race my mare will dance around, move back and forth- circle in place, she just nervous, but it wears me down. So I don't get on her till we need to warm up.
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| ndiehl - 2014-04-07 6:21 PM
cyount2009 - 2014-04-07 4:24 PM
OhMax - 2014-04-07 4:11 PM
Sounds to me like they should hand their rope to a rodeo personnel in the alley and the same person puts on all the ropes...
Time to really man up boys.
That would open way to many technical doors. Roughies are pretty particular about the way their gear is handled before a ride. Putting the rope on in the lead up allows the cowboy to be sure the rope is adjusted to that bull. Some need the rope let way out some need it taken in. You can look at a bull and guess what kind of adjustment he needs but you don't really know until its hanging. Then there is always a chance of someone accidentally dropping a rope in the bottom of chute. Heaven forbid anyone touch the handle with a bare hand before a ride! I have seen some guys go absolutely ape poop over that!
True people have their own ways of doing things but it's all about being fair to everyone. What if they allowed you to put your rope on before he chutes (like they do now ) but they only allow you to do it while someone is watching. Have a contractor go down the line and watch each rider put it on. After they have made the adjustments for fit then your not allowed to touch the bull until its time to sit on them in the chutes. Touching them would be an instant disqualification..... Have someone watching them put them on and some one keeping an eye on the all the bulls from afar.
Oh you're preaching to the choir about particular - my boyfriend is a bullrider as is the son of the gal I haul around with.
Point being, if they can't play fair and honest then something more needs to change, if that is someone impartial hanging their ropes or someone impartial watching them hang their ropes. The ones I'm around play fair, hang the rope barely snug so it won't come undone, wait for the bull the load, get on, tighten their rope and nod for the gate. I hope the various governing bodies, pbr, prca, etc continue to enforce the rules. |
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Location: Kansas | The PBR is on the right track. It just took them a long, long time to do it.
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Location: Dubach, LA | But. but. but...I don't understand. Braziliains are the best thing that's happened to barrel racing since the invention of the stirrup! How can they be such cheatin' little SOMs in a chute? Things to make me go hmmm. |
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| Frodo - 2014-04-07 6:30 PM
SassyPirate, the one minute rule is new to the PBR. Yes they now get disqualifed. Silvano Alves has been disqualified twice in the last two weeks, Renato Nunes once and Valderon Oliveria once. They're pushing it to the limit not believing the judges are dead serious. Ty Murray pointed out at his Invitational that these riders could help the bulls greatly if they'd just try to position the animals themselves with their feets and bodies, but they choose to bounce around on them, slap, wiggle and shove their bodies back and forth........then they think they have to start all over again redoing their ropes. Very tough on an animal and yes it's cheating.
....and when I say "disqualified" the judge just simply says "Get off the bull." It makes you want to cheer.
Ok so now they get disqualifed. I know that the they did have a rule in place about how long you can be in the chute as my husband used to ride on the BFTS and I asked him last night. He said they brought the rule in right when he got on tour and if yout took longer then x amount of time, you got a fine.
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| Aqhaczy - 2014-04-07 9:14 PM but aren't the steer wrestlers tiring their horses out too by walking up and back, turning them around and waddling around on their back getting them to line up?
When I'm sitting on my mare watching a race my mare will dance around, move back and forth- circle in place, she just nervous, but it wears me down. So I don't get on her till we need to warm up.
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| CanCan - 2014-04-08 9:45 AM But. but. but...I don't understand. Braziliains are the best thing that's happened to barrel racing since the invention of the stirrup! How can they be such cheatin' little SOMs in a chute? Things to make me go hmmm.
Oh, yeah. You know, because they're all like that. The only people who know how to do anything in a civilized manner are 'Muricans. Oh wait 
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Aqhaczy - 2014-04-07 9:14 PM but aren't the steer wrestlers tiring their horses out too by walking up and back, turning them around and waddling around on their back getting them to line up?
When I'm sitting on my mare watching a race my mare will dance around, move back and forth- circle in place, she just nervous, but it wears me down. So I don't get on her till we need to warm up.
The steer wrestlers are only trying to make sure that their horses are lined up to come out of the box straight and making sure the horse is watching, I dont think they want their horses tired, they need the engery to catch that steer. |
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Location: ND | Southtxponygirl - 2014-04-08 10:08 AM Aqhaczy - 2014-04-07 9:14 PM but aren't the steer wrestlers tiring their horses out too by walking up and back, turning them around and waddling around on their back getting them to line up?
When I'm sitting on my mare watching a race my mare will dance around, move back and forth- circle in place, she just nervous, but it wears me down. So I don't get on her till we need to warm up.
The steer wrestlers are only trying to make sure that their horses are lined up to come out of the box straight and making sure the horse is watching, I dont think they want their horses tired, they need the engery to catch that steer.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Bringing this thread back from the dead...But last night we watched the PBR from Oklahoma City. It was pretty good. But they seem to still be having problems with the "soaking" and taking way too long in the chute. So much so that they did demonstrations for the viewers as to how EASY it would be for the rider to move that bull over themselves rather than looking to someone else to help...looking at the judge...messing around...re wrapping... etc. Several were put "on the clock" and barely made it out. I know some have been disqualified lately as well as they discussed that too.
Thing is...so often when the bull was treated that way...or the guy messed around so long...the bull had a crappy Out. Just didn't perform. That's sad for the contractors...and bad for the sport.
I know there are riders of all nationalities that may do this...but as for last night...the biggest offenders were by far the Brazilians. They also seem to choose bulls they know they can get an easier trip on...and if the bull fails to perform they keep the lower score and don't take the re-ride. Is it cheating...nope...that's all really within the scope of the rules...but they are clearly being strategic and playing safe the best they can to win the most money. Nothing wrong with that...can't blame them since this is their career/job...but it's a LOT less fun to watch.
Last night there were guys that purposefully chose known rank bulls that they really wanted to challenge themselves with and some that had a scoring ride(Mike Lee was one) that chose to take the re-ride when the bull didn't perform up to par or had a bad trip due to hitting the chute etc. That shows a love of the game...not just the pursuit of a paycheck. And the crowd knows it. Any who watched last night saw how the crowd went NUTS when JB Mauney rode the 2015 World Champion Bull or when Mason Lowe had a 90+ point ride....even though they didn't win the event. When Fabiano Viera almost doesn't get out of the chute before the clock ran out...butmade a good ride to win the event...the crowd was just not into it. It was almost awkward.
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | What is really sucks about this is there might be a time when they needed more than a minute for a bull that was really bad in the chute and those that have abused this have made them put this rule in. Same thing with the alleyway at the BBR. All those guys that like to slowly take their horse to the end of the alleyway and look and then go back to gate and then run caused them to put in the stupid rule where once you come in the gate you can't turn around. I don't know why those guys need to do that anyway. They make a jillion runs on those horses before, like they don't know what they are in the pen for. |
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| got boost? - 2016-01-25 4:59 PM
So are they taking so long in the chute to pull the bullrope so tight it sucks the air out of the bull and the buck? Theres a reason behind it what is it?
Basically yes. The longer you can keep a pulled rope, or rigging or saddle on a bucking animal the more energy you "soak" out of them. It makes them uncomfortable and less willing to buck as hard. |
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| ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-25 4:38 PM
What is really sucks about this is there might be a time when they needed more than a minute for a bull that was really bad in the chute and those that have abused this have made them put this rule in. Same thing with the alleyway at the BBR. All those guys that like to slowly take their horse to the end of the alleyway and look and then go back to gate and then run caused them to put in the stupid rule where once you come in the gate you can't turn around. I don't know why those guys need to do that anyway. They make a jillion runs on those horses before, like they don't know what they are in the pen for.
I call BS. There is distinct difference between a chute fighter and a rider attempting to soak. I'm sure the 1 minute rule is at judges discretion as well. And, maybe, if these guys hadn't been attempting to soak these animals for so many years, there would be less chute fighters.
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | cyount2009 - 2016-01-25 5:12 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-25 4:38 PM What is really sucks about this is there might be a time when they needed more than a minute for a bull that was really bad in the chute and those that have abused this have made them put this rule in. Same thing with the alleyway at the BBR. All those guys that like to slowly take their horse to the end of the alleyway and look and then go back to gate and then run caused them to put in the stupid rule where once you come in the gate you can't turn around. I don't know why those guys need to do that anyway. They make a jillion runs on those horses before, like they don't know what they are in the pen for. I call BS. There is distinct difference between a chute fighter and a rider attempting to soak. I'm sure the 1 minute rule is at judges discretion as well. And, maybe, if these guys hadn't been attempting to soak these animals for so many years, there would be less chute fighters.
Edited by ksjackofalltrades 2016-01-25 7:03 PM
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| From a viewers standpoint I think the PBR is doing a good job of enforcing the rule. I DO think it is funny though that when a Brazilians bull has a bad out it is the riders fault but when another bull runs down the pen nobody says a thing! Yes, they did say that JBs short round bull was out of shape but he didn't even turn back, nobody is blaming JB! Just like your barrel horse has bad days the bulls won't always be right on! One thing I think they could do to improve the broadcast is to not have Ty anymore, so much more enjoyable with JW! |
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Location: South Dakota | cyount2009 - 2016-01-25 5:12 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-25 4:38 PM What is really sucks about this is there might be a time when they needed more than a minute for a bull that was really bad in the chute and those that have abused this have made them put this rule in. Same thing with the alleyway at the BBR. All those guys that like to slowly take their horse to the end of the alleyway and look and then go back to gate and then run caused them to put in the stupid rule where once you come in the gate you can't turn around. I don't know why those guys need to do that anyway. They make a jillion runs on those horses before, like they don't know what they are in the pen for. I call BS. There is distinct difference between a chute fighter and a rider attempting to soak. I'm sure the 1 minute rule is at judges discretion as well. And, maybe, if these guys hadn't been attempting to soak these animals for so many years, there would be less chute fighters.
I think you guys are both saying the same thing. |
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BHW's Simon Cowell
Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | I really like Ty. But, I don't even watch the PBR so I don't really have an opinion. I liked him on the NFR broadcasts. My Mom hated him, especially at first because he used such poor English, but I thought he really improved on that. |
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| ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-26 12:50 PM
I really like Ty. But, I don't even watch the PBR so I don't really have an opinion. I liked him on the NFR broadcasts. My Mom hated him, especially at first because he used such poor English, but I thought he really improved on that.
At times Ty is just SO dang critical, but that is what probably made him one of the greats! JW just seems to have a little more sense of humor, and I like how he is always moving around, not just sitting in the booth. |
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Location: Kansas | I'm noticing a higher percentage of Brazilian bull riders every year. From something I ran across on the internet I believe Brazilians investors into the PBR have a "lot" to do with this. The last bull Fabiano rode at OKC was literally being ganged up on by the Brazilians and stock contractors seem helpless to do anything about it. They ruined Asteroid and did a great deal of harm to Stone Sober. Breaks my heart. I love these bulls.
They need to stop putting the clock right in front of these guys and just say "you're on the clock." Let them guess how much time they have left instead of running the clock out and then asking for the gate. |
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Brazilian bull riders and new PBR rules....about time