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Elite Veteran
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Location: IL | When you are running or training a horse that is or is proving to be very ratey, where do YOU start rating them down for the turn? I've heard a lot of different "theories" or suggestions so was curious what ya'll had to say! |
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 Miss Laundry Misshap
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| On my gelding I only rate a little at first, about a stride before the barrel. At second and third I keep driving until my knee is about to the barrel, I sit and that's it. Only help a little leaving to finish the turn. |
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 Hot Dispatcher
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Location: Utah | On both of my ratey horses I don't rate until my knee is at the barrel if at all they both rate themselves I just have to push past the barrel and let them turn. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | I dont rate my ratey horses. they are doing it on their own. I drive and push all the way across until I know I'm past the barrel for the turn. if I am doing slow work on a ratey horse, i make sure to get their shoulder past the barrel and my leg in front of the barrel before i stop, if i stop. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: IL | Thanks! That has always been my way of doing things too. I feel ratey horses are already really looking to turn and will have the tendency to rate too much before the turn if you actually make a point of throttling them down. With my Paint mare, I keep pushing her until my leg is next to the barrel, then I sit and let her turn. My OTTB mare that I'm training is incredibly ratey so I have been workin on the same with her, even so much as when my leg is slightly past the barrel, sitting, then initiating her turn.
I was curious what everyone would have to say as I have heard some people say that they still rate their ratey horse down a couple strides before the barrel or when their horse's head is next to the barrel. I mean, to each their own, but I feel that with a ratey horse you're losing time when you do that. |
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 Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | With a ratey horse you usually don't have to teach them. They already know. If they're cutting me off, though, in slow work I will make them keep going until their hip is at the barrel. |
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Location: Washington | With a ratey one...I often don't rate unless I feel I have to. My guy right now...I better be BY the barrel before I sit, and be in my spot or the barrel is going down. Doesn't help he has a roll back style that I am trying to get used to. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: IL | Love hearing everyone's thoughts on this! :) |
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Location: Small Town Iowa | Nateracer - 2014-04-08 9:37 PM
On my gelding I only rate a little at first, about a stride before the barrel. At second and third I keep driving until my knee is about to the barrel, I sit and that's it. Only help a little leaving to finish the turn.
^^^Ditto
Edited by jcrouse 2014-04-09 7:46 AM
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Location: Iowa | I don't rate my ratey mare, she does it on her own. I hustle her all the way up to the turn. I want as much momentum as I can get going into the turn. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | My horse's rate point is about 3 strides past where I think it is.  |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: IL | Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-09 8:58 AM My horse's rate point is about 3 strides past where I think it is.
Haha! Thank you for a good laugh this morning! |
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Location: Benton City, WA | iabarlrcer - 2014-04-09 6:36 AM I don't rate my ratey mare, she does it on her own. I hustle her all the way up to the turn. I want as much momentum as I can get going into the turn.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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 Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | On my gelding I still rate him, if I dont' and just let him rate on his own he tends to get front endy. I rate him when I get my knee to point 1 in the turn (Ed Wright and Charmayne's axis point theory...) |
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| TACKyPaints - 2014-04-08 7:23 PM
When you are running or training a horse that is or is proving to be very ratey, where do YOU start rating them down for the turn? I've heard a lot of different "theories" or suggestions so was curious what ya'll had to say!
All I ride is the ratey ones :) I don't believe in not rating them as I believe that with the young ones especially you have to show them where and how to drive around the turn and use their body properly. Therefore, I rate them once when my leg gets past the barrel, then I drive them to the backside, then let them turn. I rate them because I don't want them to drop ( which I see as a common tendency among those starting ratey horses, as they figure the horses are already ratey enough and they don't need help) I disagree with this theory, I think that all younger horses do need to be shown where to go in the turns and when you rate them you are getting them on their hind end and ready to drive around the turn :) jmo |
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 Shelter Dog Hero
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Location: Mississippi | I tend to find them another home, LOL. I do not like really ratey horses. I do not want one so free running that they do not listen to me but for the most part, I like to have a say in the decision on where and when to turn. I like a really fast one that will listen to me for cues. I am a quiet, non-aggressive rider, so I just do not ride a really ratey horse that well. |
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 Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | BarrelsRmyLife - 2014-04-08 11:44 PM With a ratey one...I often don't rate unless I feel I have to. My guy right now...I better be BY the barrel before I sit, and be in my spot or the barrel is going down. Doesn't help he has a roll back style that I am trying to get used to.
That sounds exactly like Clifford. If you sit down and let him start turning before you're at the fence, you're probably going to drag the barrel down. I have perfected the hurdler's trail leg motion with my inside leg and it has saved many a barrel for us. if you're going to ride a rollback style horse, it sure helps if its a big horse so you can lift a leg over the barrels LOL.
OP - I generally don't rate my ratey horses during a run and I never ever ever stop them coming into a turn in practice. It's all about forward motion with them because they're rating on their own and its often sooner than I would like. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: IL | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-10 8:31 AM
BarrelsRmyLife - 2014-04-08 11:44 PM With a ratey one...I often don't rate unless I feel I have to. My guy right now...I better be BY the barrel before I sit, and be in my spot or the barrel is going down. Doesn't help he has a roll back style that I am trying to get used to.
That sounds exactly like Clifford. If you sit down and let him start turning before you're at the fence, you're probably going to drag the barrel down. I have perfected the hurdler's trail leg motion with my inside leg and it has saved many a barrel for us. if you're going to ride a rollback style horse, it sure helps if its a big horse so you can lift a leg over the barrels LOL.
OP - I generally don't rate my ratey horses during a run and I never ever ever stop them coming into a turn in practice. It's all about forward motion with them because they're rating on their own and its often sooner than I would like.
Oh I agree 100%! I never stop mine at the barrel. I always start them out at the trot and rate down to a walk and make sure they keep moving forward. :) |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | At some point between the timer-eye and the back fence of the alley :)
I never actually ask for rate with anything other than my butt, and when I do sit we have to be BY the barrel or it is going to hit the ground. |
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| luckygirl04 - 2014-04-09 11:35 PM
TACKyPaints - 2014-04-08 7:23 PM
When you are running or training a horse that is or is proving to be very ratey, where do YOU start rating them down for the turn? I've heard a lot of different "theories" or suggestions so was curious what ya'll had to say!
All I ride is the ratey ones : ) I don't believe in not rating them as I believe that with the young ones especially you have to show them where and how to drive around the turn and use their body properly. Therefore, I rate them once when my leg gets past the barrel, then I drive them to the backside, then let them turn. I rate them because I don't want them to drop ( which I see as a common tendency among those starting ratey horses, as they figure the horses are already ratey enough and they don't need help ) I disagree with this theory, I think that all younger horses do need to be shown where to go in the turns and when you rate them you are getting them on their hind end and ready to drive around the turn : ) jmo
I guess I should point out the young ones I show them where to rate and how to handle their body. The ones I'm already running should know, so I'll sit up for an instant depending on how ratey they are. Super ratey ones probably when my back cinch gets past the barrel, in the corner of my eye. |
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  Angel in a Sorrel Coat
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Location: In a happy place | Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-09 8:58 AM My horse's rate point is about 3 strides past where I think it is.
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 I Don't Brag
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On my big mare it is about 1 stride past where I think it is on big pens....in tiny pens we do OK. But my poor left leg is testimony that my butt makes unwise decisions when it comes to sitting down for a turn in the bigger pens.
OUCH! ouchy ouchy ouchy...Or crap, there goes my trip to the pay window......sigh.... |
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Or you could do like me and just make sure and rate every other stride ALL the way to the first barrel, you know....so you make sure you rated in the "proper" place. If you rate 10 times your chances improve by that much... |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: Mountains of VA | On my ratey mare, I rate somewhere in ten-buck-two otherwise she rolls back on top of the barrel. |
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Ratey Horses: Where's your rate point?