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| Long story short, my gelding has been kinda stiff in circles and the other day after playing a lot in the pasture I noticed it was much worse. He works like a dream on the straight away but the minute I put him in a circle he slows down, falls on forehand and acts almost as a 30 year old arthritic horse. The minute you get back on a straighway, he works perfect again. Hes been a bit pi$$y when cueing the lope but more from a stop to a lope and hes always kinda rung his tail when queing into lope and lopes off great. However, lately his lope has thrown me more forward than normal. I chalked a lot of this up as being more out of shape and hes naturally a clumpsy horse. So when I rode him the other day and felt it has worsened, I finally had someone else ride him so i could see it. Something definetely isnt right. No heat, swelling, etc in his front end. After talking with a few friends, they said to check his SI joint and is sore in that area. Not in his back at all but right on the bump on his but.
He was out in his sacrum last spring but minimally and chiro said he wasnt in need of frequent work but planned on having him adjusted again this spring. However, I heard a chiro may make it worse....
Vet is coming out saturday and ive been in contact with my chiro but just wondering what i should know...??? This is new to me.
Thanks in advance.
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Location: Durango CO | I can't really tell you much but does the horse come out of the trailer with divider marks on his hips? That can be a huge sign they are leaning in the trailer to take the pressure off. Our BB MPH just had her horse's SI chiro and he was on stall rest for 2 weeks after that. Try to PM her |
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| I had a gelding with left SI trouble last year. We adjusted it I think 3 times over the course of a couple months before it started staying in. After that, he was still sore even though it was staying where it was supposed to, so we injected it. Haven't had any trouble with it since, so far.
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| Lil_Pony35 - 2014-04-09 9:13 PM
I can't really tell you much but does the horse come out of the trailer with divider marks on his hips? That can be a huge sign they are leaning in the trailer to take the pressure off. Our BB MPH just had her horse's SI chiro and he was on stall rest for 2 weeks after that. Try to PM her
I have a stock trailer... so no indication on that unfortunately. Plus havent hauled him since september. |
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| jenagarwood - 2014-04-09 9:23 PM
I had a gelding with left SI trouble last year. We adjusted it I think 3 times over the course of a couple months before it started staying in. After that, he was still sore even though it was staying where it was supposed to, so we injected it. Haven't had any trouble with it since, so far.
So in your experience, the chiro was your first step? |
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| It was, but in hindsight, I wish we had done the injection right away and then continued to adjust if necessary. I think it would have saved time and trouble, and pain for the horse. |
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| I have done chiro on mine and osteopathy both the osteopathy was a much better path I have a wonderful vet who does this she can do osteopathy chiro and accupuncture and she will choose the osteopathy adjustments every time they are much more concentrated in each area instead of whole sections at a time (chiro) |
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| shilohorse - 2014-04-09 10:26 PM
I have done chiro on mine and osteopathy both the osteopathy was a much better path I have a wonderful vet who does this she can do osteopathy chiro and accupuncture and she will choose the osteopathy adjustments every time they are much more concentrated in each area instead of whole sections at a time (chiro)
I have emailed a vet with the same qualifications, havent heard back yet. I was referred to her so waiting to hear back and hopefully get her help. |
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Location: Kansas | I am not an expert on this at all, but last week, had the SI joints injected on my good rodeo horse. He has been just not quite clocking all year, heck really since early last fall, but was still running in the 2D at big shows and just out of the money at rodeos so it's been tough to find the root of his soreness.
Here is a thread that I started before we ID'd the SI joint as a problem, though you'll note if you read it that Diane Guinn suggested it long before a vet did. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=446137&start=1
I believe my thread has a video on it, and there are other threads as I went through the diagnostic process. He did get adjusted by the vet/chiro who found the SI soreness, and I did not ride him in the 10 days between those adjustments and his injections. |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-09 11:26 PM
I am not an expert on this at all, but last week, had the SI joints injected on my good rodeo horse. He has been just not quite clocking all year, heck really since early last fall, but was still running in the 2D at big shows and just out of the money at rodeos so it's been tough to find the root of his soreness.
Here is a thread that I started before we ID'd the SI joint as a problem, though you'll note if you read it that Diane Guinn suggested it long before a vet did. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=446137&start=1I believe my thread has a video on it, and there are other threads as I went through the diagnostic process. He did get adjusted by the vet/chiro who found the SI soreness, and I did not ride him in the 10 days between those adjustments and his injections.
Thank you! Ill read over the thread. I wouldnt have ever thought to check this but once I heard about it and researched it makes perfect sense. Hoping we dont have to inject right away but will do what I have to of course. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | My mare has been getting her SI injected once a year for the past 3 years. I can ususally tell by her having an odd bunny hop lope. Just got it done again on Monday as she also has a sore lower back this time around. Hopefully she will be better soon.
She is also under the care of a chiropractor, but injections seem to help her more. |
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Location: Kansas | stayceem - 2014-04-10 12:25 AM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-09 11:26 PM I am not an expert on this at all, but last week, had the SI joints injected on my good rodeo horse. He has been just not quite clocking all year, heck really since early last fall, but was still running in the 2D at big shows and just out of the money at rodeos so it's been tough to find the root of his soreness.
Here is a thread that I started before we ID'd the SI joint as a problem, though you'll note if you read it that Diane Guinn suggested it long before a vet did. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=446137&start=1
I believe my thread has a video on it, and there are other threads as I went through the diagnostic process. He did get adjusted by the vet/chiro who found the SI soreness, and I did not ride him in the 10 days between those adjustments and his injections. Thank you! Ill read over the thread. I wouldnt have ever thought to check this but once I heard about it and researched it makes perfect sense. Hoping we dont have to inject right away but will do what I have to of course.
Here is a follow-up thread with the actual diagnosis of SI soreness. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=447232&start=1 |
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Location: Always on call..... | shilohorse - 2014-04-09 10:26 PM
I have done chiro on mine and osteopathy both the osteopathy was a much better path I have a wonderful vet who does this she can do osteopathy chiro and accupuncture and she will choose the osteopathy adjustments every time they are much more concentrated in each area instead of whole sections at a time (chiro)
That is actually incorrect. Chiropractic techniques are more specific and localized, while most osteopathic techniques are more global (what we call long lever techniques). A lot of osteopathic treatments also involve soft tissue manipulation so as well. But honestly there is not much difference in the actual techniques, it's the philosophy behind the treatments that seperates the two professions.
Neither is not really better than the other, but to my knowledge there isn't actually an animal osteopathy school in the US, while there are three animal chiropractic schools that have been around for quite awhile. |
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| When injecting the SI the injection only covers the area surrounding the SI ....the injection doesn't go into a joint. I've had a horse I've had to inject ALOT over the SI! All last summer in fact :(. Alot of times the cause to the pain can be hocks or stifles. It's been a tough road between Chiro, injections and determining what is causing the pain. I've used Surpass cream over the SI and it has really helped my horse in between injections :) |
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| Well I had the vet out today and he thinks its in his feet which was my first instinct. He hasnt had his corrective shoes on all winter so we are going to start there and see if that makes a difference. He is super upright in his pasterns due to contracted ligaments (had check ligament surgery has a 2 year old). So we put him in a natural balance aluminum shoe w/2 degree wedge and really bring his breakover back. Made a huge difference last year. The vet thinks his coffin bone is sore... which is causing him overall soreness from the weird shuffling he's doing.
So praying this is all it is. Have my chiro on standby but better fix one problem at a time. Thanks for all the input and if you have anymore... let me know!!!! |
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| Feet can sure make them sore all over. Get some BOT bell boots. They have made a big difference and I also use the Theraplate and Laser. It's almost overkill. LOL |
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| readytorodeo - 2014-04-12 7:34 PM
Feet can sure make them sore all over. Get some BOT bell boots. They have made a big difference and I also use the Theraplate and Laser. It's almost overkill. LOL
I dont know a lot of BOT products. I know they are suppose to help alleviate pain. Do you use them for hauling? Competing? both? I've used magnetics, is that similar? |
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| My poor gelding was so sore last year he was examined by 2 lanmness vets and came up with different diagnosis, both wrong to some extent that horse was so,sore in his back i knew better but i almost thought he had a bad si sore in his fromt feet, turned him out for 3 months no riding but who rode this winter. carried him to a lamness specialist we had a clue what was wrong his hocks where fusing on both sides. My vet xrayed his front feet and told me he was most likley trying to unload and when i get him in shape to let me know if he do. We did the surey on both hocks have to wait a couple weeks then i cn start to ride him. I may take him back in two weeks and check his stifles because of compensation. Also if they are sore and you use previcox, and joint suppliments will i would take your horse off of them for about a week it will help hide the lamness.
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Location: So. California | Did you test him for PSSM1? It's a simple hair test and you can get a quick turn around time from http://www.animalgenetics.us/PSSM.htm It's worth the $40.00... |
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| You need to take him to a lamness person who that is what they do all day long long it has taken me a year and several vets and one that didnot get it right the first time to call her back we fixed him this time. |
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Location: Here | stayceem - 2014-04-12 8:33 PM readytorodeo - 2014-04-12 7:34 PM Feet can sure make them sore all over. Get some BOT bell boots. They have made a big difference and I also use the Theraplate and Laser. It's almost overkill. LOL I dont know a lot of BOT products. I know they are suppose to help alleviate pain. Do you use them for hauling? Competing? both? I've used magnetics, is that similar?
No they are not similar, they are two totally different therapies. If you visit the product research forum there are several threads that go into a lot of detail. As far as Si joint injections it can make a huge difference. |
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| I am using a very reputable vet and my first instinct was sore feet so i dont feel we are too far off the mark. Its a quick 2 week trial and if no change, back to the drawing board. |
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