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| I've got a two year old cow bred stallion who is awesome to handle on the ground, however, sometimes when I am just out in the pasture petting him or walking with him, he'll all of a sudden become playful and rear up and strike out toward me, sometimes charging toward me and biting my shoulder and clothes. How do I break him of this foolish inappropriate behavior toward me? He is the calmest boy when I lead him, but when the halter comes off he becomes disrespectful in his pen. |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 10:34 AM
A 2X4 to the forehead goes a long ways!
He's a quick little **** though, he'll get away as I raise my fist at him.. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | At 2 years old... he is not a stallion yet... even tho he thinks he is... If you can't handle a colt, perhaps owing a stallion is not for you.. |
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| Carry that 2 x 4, or at least a lunge whip, with you at all times, and be ready to use it as you are letting him go. Don't take his halter off, just unclip his lead. Actually, I think I'd start the retraining in a round pen and get him over the disrespect from the ground up. If one of my young stallions shows me the slightest disrespect we have a come to Jesus meeting, even if it means, #1, I wear myself out chasing and yelling and throwing anything available at him, or #2, he gets a little hurt (scrape, bruise, no cuts) on the second time round. If you let a young stallion get away with the first bad thing, especially such blatant disrespect, it can mean the end of him ever being a good show horse, let alone dangerous for life. You can effectively 'round pen' even in a half acre pen. You'll get tired, but it's better than letting this colt get away with disrespect. |
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Location: Texas | Make a gelding out of him. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I've got to ask how old are you? How many years have you been around horses? This horse doesn't even really know he is a stallion yet. You need to get his respect before the hormone really start flowing!
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| lonely va barrelxr - 2014-04-21 10:53 AM
Carry that 2 x 4, or at least a lunge whip, with you at all times, and be ready to use it as you are letting him go. Don't take his halter off, just unclip his lead. Actually, I think I'd start the retraining in a round pen and get him over the disrespect from the ground up. If one of my young stallions shows me the slightest disrespect we have a come to Jesus meeting, even if it means, #1, I wear myself out chasing and yelling and throwing anything available at him, or #2, he gets a little hurt (scrape, bruise, no cuts) on the second time round. If you let a young stallion get away with the first bad thing, especially such blatant disrespect, it can mean the end of him ever being a good show horse, let alone dangerous for life. You can effectively 'round pen' even in a half acre pen. You'll get tired, but it's better than letting this colt get away with disrespect.
I love your words of advice, especially when 'you have a come to Jesus meeting...' LOL. I am right there with you! |
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| komet. - 2014-04-21 10:52 AM
At 2 years old... he is not a stallion yet... even tho he thinks he is... If you can't handle a colt, perhaps owing a stallion is not for you..
What do you mean he isn't a stallion? He has already dropped good sized asteroids, and not only that he lets his log hang down and squats his hind legs when the heifers come over, letting out nicker or two (and running the heifers away). Now tell me, he is just a colt? I care to differ. This beast has attitude and must be from the stinking Two Eyed Jack three times in his pedigree. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | He needs to respect you. It sounds like he needs the round pen to me.....the patience tree for bad behavior.......and, possibly a nut removal. |
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Location: Magnolia, Texas | Kathyg - 2014-04-21 10:53 AM Make a gelding out of him.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Yeah, now I'm going to go with asteroid removal.....round pen and patience tree.....in that order. |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 11:01 AM
What is his registered name?
Two Eyed Jack Nut....on the brink of sending that in to AQHA. |
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| gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 11:05 AM Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 11:01 AM What is his registered name? Two Eyed Jack Nut....on the brink of sending that in to AQHA.
Okay, get that horse added to allbreedpedigree.com. Please and thank you. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 11:05 AM Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 11:01 AM What is his registered name? Two Eyed Jack Nut....on the brink of sending that in to AQHA.
Maybe, you should go with Two Eyed Jack Denutted. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 11:06 AM gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 11:05 AM Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 11:01 AM What is his registered name? Two Eyed Jack Nut....on the brink of sending that in to AQHA.
Yes, Massa!! Right away, Massa!
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| LRQHS - 2014-04-21 11:06 AM
gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 11:05 AM Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 11:01 AM What is his registered name? Two Eyed Jack Nut....on the brink of sending that in to AQHA.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 10:59 AM
komet. - 2014-04-21 10:52 AM
At 2 years old... he is not a stallion yet... even tho he thinks he is... If you can't handle a colt, perhaps owing a stallion is not for you..
What do you mean he isn't a stallion? He has already dropped good sized asteroids, and not only that he lets his log hang down and squats his hind legs when the heifers come over, letting out nicker or two (and running the heifers away ). Now tell me, he is just a colt? I care to differ. This beast has attitude and must be from the stinking Two Eyed Jack three times in his pedigree.
He's not a stallion yet the same way a fifteen or sixteen year old boy isn't a man yet... even though he might think he is. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 10:59 AM
komet. - 2014-04-21 10:52 AM
At 2 years old... he is not a stallion yet... even tho he thinks he is... If you can't handle a colt, perhaps owing a stallion is not for you..
What do you mean he isn't a stallion? He has already dropped good sized asteroids, and not only that he lets his log hang down and squats his hind legs when the heifers come over, letting out nicker or two (and running the heifers away ). Now tell me, he is just a colt? I care to differ. This beast has attitude and must be from the stinking Two Eyed Jack three times in his pedigree.
Yes.. this is what I mean... he thinks he is a stallion.. but there is a REASON they call 2 year olds colts.... and just because he drops means nothing... geldings drop... So do 1 day old foals.. You have much to learn..
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Location: Texas | gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 11:05 AM Whiteboy - 2014-04-21 11:01 AM What is his registered name? Two Eyed Jack Nut....on the brink of sending that in to AQHA.
Is his barn name "Nut Job"? Sorry, that's the first thing that came in my pea brain on this fine Monday morning.
Honestly, you need to get his respect now or his behavior will only get worse. Not sure what your experience level is, so you may want to consider sending him to a trainer who will teach him respect or gelding him. While his behavior is "playful", it is also dangerous. The bigger and older he gets, the more his play time will turn into a major accident.
I don't care that the horse is 2 and a stud colt. I wouldn't accept this behavior out of any horse. You have to remind him that you are the alpha in the relationship. His behavior is enabling him to be the dominant one in the relationship. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I am going to have to agree with others here. He either needs a huge attitude adjustment or to be gelded. My boy knows he's a stallion and breeds several mares yearly; even in the middle of breeding season he KNOWS better. He can stay in a pen that is a single hot wire that isn't even on and do nothing, it's been drilled into him from day 1. He would never dream of lashing out or attacking because he knows his astroids would be toast and he would be in BIG trouble. If he hasn't had training since day 1 I unfortunately would likely make the call of getting him cut. |
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Location: Usually on my horse | I guess I will add my 2 cents worth here. I don't believe he is playing. He is establishing dominance with you. This could quickly become a dangerous situation for you. When I had my stallion, he was taught respect from day one. All though he never even dared to do anything like you are describing, he would have his "come to Jesus" meeting and that would have been the end of his asteroids. He was a very respectful stallion and never acted like a stallion unless he knew it was time to breed a mare. He ran with my geldings and was not even on the top of the dominance chain. That probably helped too. Good luck to you. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 9:59 AM komet. - 2014-04-21 10:52 AM At 2 years old... he is not a stallion yet... even tho he thinks he is... If you can't handle a colt, perhaps owing a stallion is not for you.. What do you mean he isn't a stallion? He has already dropped good sized asteroids, and not only that he lets his log hang down and squats his hind legs when the heifers come over, letting out nicker or two (and running the heifers away ). Now tell me, he is just a colt? I care to differ. This beast has attitude and must be from the stinking Two Eyed Jack three times in his pedigree.
I guess my question would be how long has he been doing this and if you're not crazy about how he is bred why keep him a stallion? His behavior needs to be corrected the moment it hAppens. Personally I wouldn't have any horse, including mares, Colts let alone a stallion that struck out or tried to bite me. I vote geld him yesterday before you get yourself hurt. If he catches you just once with a hoof it could be diasterous.
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Location: South Dakota | Firstly...I would geld him...not all people should be stud owners.
I don't blame the horse for his behaviour....he is smart and found out that he can get away with this .....you as a rider and trainer, need to understand the importance of respect on the ground....no matter if it's a mare, gelding, or stud....they will all take liberty and be obnoxious if allowed to.
It's a sad day when a horse has to be beat with a 2x4, to get your point across....this started with a human being allowing it and not understanding how to get respect out of a horse, and now the horse is going to have some tough handling, to make him safe to be around. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I have always held to the belief that a stallion needs to EARN the right to keep his nuts. By displaying good behavior, and by performance record. Pedigree isn't enough for me personally. And...a stallion should only be handled/trained by someone with the right experience and skill to teach that stud how to be a good citizen.
Without all of those peices in place...a horse that might make a nice stud...will often make a GREAT gelding. |
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Location: Midwest | This is going to sound really rude, BUT if you are having to ask this question on a public forum... I'm not sure you should own a stallion.
Someone is going to get hurt- probably you.
You need to learn with a trainer or geld this horse (prob both). It's really hard to teach stuff like this on a forum. Much easier to have someone there show you. |
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Location: Oklahoma | You're questions raise a LOT of concern. First and foremost. GELD HIM. He is not cutesy playing with you when he is striking at you or biting at your clothes. It's not a matter of if he will hurt you... at this point it's a matter of when. I am all for owning a stallion...heck the horse in my picture is my stallion. From a weanling to a yearling he was turned out in a pasture with 15 pregnant mares. They taught him far better respect than I ever could've.
You're asking what to do... many of the people that are responding are knowledgable horse people that have stallion experience and are giving you advice I think you need to consider. Your post on this thread and the other thread make it seem like you are inexperienced in the thinking/mindset of a stallion.
The best advice that was given to me is... a GOOD stallion makes a GREAT gelding. It's what I live by. I will not hesitate to geld my stallion should his behavior become an ounce different than it is right now. |
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Location: So. Cali. | Are you planning on keeping him to stand at stud? If not, why the wait on gelding him?
If you plan on keeping him a stallion, find a good trainer and send him out for 30 days, get their view on his behavior and ability to remain a well rounded stallion.
Did he grow up being socialized with other horses? Or kept away becuz he is still a colt?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | TwistedK - 2014-04-21 12:59 PM You're questions raise a LOT of concern. First and foremost. GELD HIM. He is not cutesy playing with you when he is striking at you or biting at your clothes. It's not a matter of if he will hurt you... at this point it's a matter of when. I am all for owning a stallion...heck the horse in my picture is my stallion. From a weanling to a yearling he was turned out in a pasture with 15 pregnant mares. They taught him far better respect than I ever could've.
You're asking what to do... many of the people that are responding are knowledgable horse people that have stallion experience and are giving you advice I think you need to consider. Your post on this thread and the other thread make it seem like you are inexperienced in the thinking/mindset of a stallion.
The best advice that was given to me is... a GOOD stallion makes a GREAT gelding. It's what I live by. I will not hesitate to geld my stallion should his behavior become an ounce different than it is right now.
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Location: Alberta | I will just say it is not being playful, its him being disrespectful! Geld or get some manners INSTILLED!!!!!!! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | dream_chaser - 2014-04-21 1:55 PM I will just say it is not being playful, its him being disrespectful! Geld or get some manners INSTILLED!!!!!!!
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Location: SE Louisiana | gogetemtiger - 2014-04-21 10:59 AM
komet. - 2014-04-21 10:52 AM
At 2 years old... he is not a stallion yet... even tho he thinks he is... If you can't handle a colt, perhaps owing a stallion is not for you..
What do you mean he isn't a stallion? He has already dropped good sized asteroids, and not only that he lets his log hang down and squats his hind legs when the heifers come over, letting out nicker or two (and running the heifers away ). Now tell me, he is just a colt? I care to differ. This beast has attitude and must be from the stinking Two Eyed Jack three times in his pedigree.
Listen.... just because he can get a mare pregnant does not make him a stallion, anymore than a 13 year old boy being able to get a girl pregnant makes him a man... |
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Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | I have a feeling that the OP isn't interested in any comments re: her lack of experience or gelding her 'playful' stud colt. |
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Location: Southeast, Texas | If this guy is actually destined to remain a stallion, I agree with whomever said he needs to go to a trainer. However, as a colt owner myself, the first time any boy at my house got the idea that his nuts were more important than me... He would get a QUICK reminder as to why thoughts like that don't fly around here.
Do you really want a pasture full of ill tempered babies by this guy? I know that's something I take into consideration when looking at prospects. If their sire/dam have crappy attitudes, I pass.
Again- a trainer. This horse needs to prove he's worthy of his cajones. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | you guys should be a bit more understanding...hes just trying to say hi(when hes striking) and hes not biting ..those are kisses.......and the charging, come on thats tag..........geezzzzzz.....................
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Location: SE Louisiana | mruggles - 2014-04-21 4:54 PM
you guys should be a bit more understanding...hes just trying to say hi(when hes striking) and hes not biting ..those are kisses.......and the charging, come on thats tag..........geezzzzzz.....................m
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | komet. - 2014-04-22 3:59 PM
mruggles - 2014-04-21 4:54 PM
you guys should be a bit more understanding...hes just trying to say hi(when hes striking) and hes not biting ..those are kisses.......and the charging, come on thats tag..........geezzzzzz.....................m
OH!!! Its a big kitten!!!!
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Location: North MS | Use a rope halter for all interactions. When leading to the round pen- if he so much as starts to look away from you- quick snatch to get his attention back to you. He is not allowed to have wandering eyes, ears, face or body when you are present. Round pen to get him to face you and hook on/join up in center. If he doesn't pay attention to you- back to running. First time you might just want him to face you and quit moving. Each day he is not allowed to mis-step even once without a correction of some sort. You enforcing dominance in the round pen and while leading should carry over to your field interactions. If you don't have a round pen you can use a lunge line- just a bit more difficult. Also get him disengaging those hindquarters from the ground. You control his feet. |
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| My suggestion would be to do a 5 panel test. Two Eyed Jack is one that may possibly carry the gene for pssm. If he is line bred to him, he may be positive. If that is the case, rather than perpetuate genetic issues, geld. I have raised three stallions at this point......actually my daughter has raised the last one and is training him. This type of behavior would have landed any of the three at the vet and did land others there. I have NO room at my house for a badly behaved horse of any gender.
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Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | Kathyg - 2014-04-21 11:53 AM Make a gelding out of him.
we have a yearling who is dangerous in the pasture. he will soon be a nice gelding. there are too many stallions anyway. |
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What to do with an overly playful stallion?