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| My puppy is going to make me mental. He's on his 7th night in the kennel and is still barking all night. 10weeks old. Mind you the kennel is in my room, no other place to put it. He will not stop. Has toys, blankets, treats but still scratches & howls ....ear plugs & sleep aid have been helping me get at least 5 hrs sleep. He goes out at 10:30, 2:30, and 5-6am. During the day he is with the other pups. I ignore the barks....just want him to chill! He'll sometimes go in there on his own to play.
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Have you tried playing a radio for him, or for you for that matter? Have no idea if it would work but just a thought..... |
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| It will get better. Don't give in now or you will regret it. LOL
I gave my puppy some Rescue Remedy (natural) and/or put a drop of Peace and Calming Oil on her before she went in her crate every night and it helped a lot.
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| Every dog's different...I rocked mine to sleep when he was a puppy and stuck him in the kennel. Lol. Might not work depending on the breed and his size but mine's a Blue Heeler  |
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| Try a shirt you've worn a bit so he has something to snuggle with. Withhold water for at least an hour before bed and plaaay. It will be hard but keep h active for as long as possible before bed, even if he's trying to sleep pester him, keep him up.
Good luck, we are bringing home two heeler/boarder collie crosses in a couple weeks. Luckily we have a basement that their crate is in and my little dog doesn't know it yet, but he gets to play big brother babysitter (unless their whining makes him whine, then he'll probably be in bed with my lol). Kind of hoping they self sooth each other |
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Location: Kansas | Married2Rodeo - 2014-04-21 10:15 PM Hollow bone with peanut butter.
This, but I suggest freezing it first. Takes longer to chew out the peanut butter that way. |
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| I'll try the peanut butter trick. I always give him a BegginStip when i put him in there, he loves them. He ignores his minibone & toy though. Even the brief times he stops screaming, Ill peak over at him and he's still standing...more blankets?
Is the calming oil like lavender?
he had a really busy day yesterday so I kept trying to poke hkm & squek his toys at him, he kept nodding off but with me beibg annoying he didn't get much sleep!
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Location: WV | I just go a heeler last weekend. First we put in in another room, then the living room to sleep. He would cry for awhile. We finally put it beside our bed and now he knows it's for sleeping. I put a towel and a couple of his toys in there. He is only 61/2 weeks now and some nights he will get up once and other like four times to go potty. Good Luck, this is the hard part.  |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Surely you're not suggesting puppys shouldn't be in our beds.............LOL
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| i hink crates are mean i don/t understand them i think torture when i see them no way in hell would i have 1 |
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | vjls - 2014-04-22 10:59 AM i hink crates are mean i don/t understand them i think torture when i see them no way in hell would i have 1
That's funny, my choc. lab uses his crate all the time. When we are in the house he will go lay in his crate without being told and that is when we are watching tv. He just gets up and goes to his crate. He'll come out later but that's his "safe spot" I guess. To each their own....
As for the OP....a thump on the crate and a NO or Quiet may help. Are the other dogs allowed in the same room outside the crate that he is in? I know we slept next to our crates for the first few nights until they learned it's bedtime. |
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| Cover the crate up with a blanket so he cannot see out when it's time to go to bed. He will whine for a few minutes but should stop. It needs to be totally covered so they cannot see out and they will settle down. Good luck. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | vjls - 2014-04-22 10:59 AM i hink crates are mean i don/t understand them i think torture when i see them no way in hell would i have 1
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| The thump on the crate and NO doesn't work :/ I'll try putting a towel over the door, I only put him in when I'm going to bed so it's dark in the room anyway.
the other dogs stay upstairs, they belong to my roommate so they stay on her half of the house. My puppy goes up there while I'm at work & stays with his brothers. |
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| I am at my wits end with that puppy. The towel over the cage gt me a poop smeared all over the kennel along with screaming all night (he could've held it, he pooped three times 2hrs ago). I gave in, put him upstairs and Im trying to not hurl because I can't hose the kennel till morning. That puppy is evil, pretty sure. |
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Location: Texas | HHTough - 2014-04-23 12:56 AM I am at my wits end with that puppy. The towel over the cage gt me a poop smeared all over the kennel along with screaming all night (he could've held it, he pooped three times 2hrs ago). I gave in, put him upstairs and Im trying to not hurl because I can't hose the kennel till morning. That puppy is evil, pretty sure. Or he is just a puppy... and maybe puppies aren't for you.
Do you ever work with him on staying in the crate during the day for shorter periods of time? Or did you just put him in one night and expect him to understand? Serious question.
Crate training (for any of my dogs) is a process. First teaching them to go in, and that it is a good place. Then getting them used to being in it for a short amount of time and teaching them that when they are quiet they can come out. Slowly leaving them in their crates for longer periods of time. Granted some dogs take to it like a duck to water, while others aren't as happy about being in a crate... but going slow with them I have never had one not get over the barking etc in a reasonable amount of time.
He is still very young, he is going to have accidents.
ETA: Also, it looks like all day long he is with other dogs then at night he is seperated from them. That could be some of your problem also. Is he ever away from the other dogs when he isn't in his crate?
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| What is his daily schedule? Particularly around bedtime.
My little guy was a screamer too - still is when he's really distraught, a bop on the head usually convinces him the world isn't ending. We've been stepping up and working with him on things like being locked in the basement while we eat dinner, because when we get the puppies that's the plan. I didn't do everything right with my little one, and we don't intend to make the same mistakes with these.
I think he needs to be crated for at least a portion of the day. I think he needs to be crated for a little bit while you are home but doing other things. For example while you eat dinner in a different part of the house, crate him.
How big is the crate vs the puppy? He should have enough room to lay down and turn around and thats about it. Typically they will not use the bathroom where they have to sleep, so you give them enough room to sleep. If he has more room than that, fashion a divider of some sort, my crate came with one that snaps in, but a cardboard box that fills up the back of the crate would work as well.
You may have to powwow with the roommates and agree to put the crate somewhere else in the house that will work for all of you for a few weeks or a couple months. Puppies are hard and they affect everyone in the household. When I was raising my little guy in college we kept his crate in a closet, it was large and airy, but when we shut the door it was also dark and quiet and when it was quiet bedtime he settled down very quick. We'd set the crate in the living room during the day so when he was crated he could still socialize with the cat and such. |
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| He usually is with his brothers from 6am-6pm, then he hangs out with me till bedtime. Generally follows me around with whatever I'm working on then we play, around 9pm he chews his toys on my bed till bedtime at 10:30.
The crate has a little more room than he needs. He's only gone potty in it once before, last night he was very distraught (so was i). Safe to say puppies probably aren't for me, although the dog trainer at my work wasn't sure why he wasn't getting over it like most puppies. Just because the puppy is making me half crazy from lack of sleep, what do you expect me to do? Give him back? He's been great for everything else.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | If he was in fact distraught as you say- his tummy could have been upset? Which may explain him having to potty in his crate even though he went twice as you said. |
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Location: MD | I know they are puppies and at 10 weeks he cannot hold his bladder all night. but taking him out at 2:30 am is almost encouraging this behavior I would think. if he barks and howls long enough mom comes and gets him! I would cover it up with a sheet, give him one of your t-shirts that smell like you, lots of loving and playing before bed and then cover it up and leave him till morning. I know this is setting him up for an accident. I have always crate trained dogs this way and yes I have had lots of accidents in there but that's how they learn to hold their bladder. he'll soon realize, "moms not going to get me until the alarm comes off, and I need to hold it so I don't have to sleep in my own potty." And yes there have been a few accidents on the way outside from the crate.
And it is worth noting that I have successfully crate trained 3 dogs and they all use their crates as homes, and a "safe place." But my current dog absolutely is worthless in the crate. He loses his mind and he's just fine not even using it. I think it works for some and not others. |
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| My puppy wasn't able to "handle" a crate at 10 weeks. Some can, some can't. He's 17 weeks now, outside during the day and begs to be let in so he can sleep in his crate every night and has never had another accident, sleeping all night long. When you say "he could have held it"... that's why puppies have accidents, they physically can't hold it even if they want to and even if they've been let out, it happens. I just quit crate training mine for a few weeks.. he ended up having the run of the garage and I cleaned up after him. I would try that with your pup, just let him grow up and adjust a little bit. |
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| Crowned Image - 2014-04-23 8:44 AM
I know they are puppies and at 10 weeks he cannot hold his bladder all night. but taking him out at 2:30 am is almost encouraging this behavior I would think. if he barks and howls long enough mom comes and gets him! I would cover it up with a sheet, give him one of your t-shirts that smell like you, lots of loving and playing before bed and then cover it up and leave him till morning. I know this is setting him up for an accident. I have always crate trained dogs this way and yes I have had lots of accidents in there but that's how they learn to hold their bladder. he'll soon realize, "moms not going to get me until the alarm comes off, and I need to hold it so I don't have to sleep in my own potty." And yes there have been a few accidents on the way outside from the crate.
And it is worth noting that I have successfully crate trained 3 dogs and they all use their crates as homes, and a "safe place." But my current dog absolutely is worthless in the crate. He loses his mind and he's just fine not even using it. I think it works for some and not others.
I didn't think of it like that but it makes sense! Since he does scream louder when he has to go out so it does make sense! Maybe ill put the crate outside the room so I can't smell it if he does go. |
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Location: Near San Antonio, TX | I have a lab puppy, he is 5 months old (as of yesterday). The first couple of nights we had him it was awful. He was doing just like yours is. Barking/yelping alll..... night..... long....!!! My vet said to put the crate right next to my bed, and every time he starts up, hit the crate hard enough to startle him and firmly say, "NO BARK!!" It worked, but not 100% right off of the bat. The barking gradually got better every night until he was quiet all night.
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Location: SE Missouri | HHTough - 2014-04-23 7:16 AM He usually is with his brothers from 6am-6pm, then he hangs out with me till bedtime. Generally follows me around with whatever I'm working on then we play, around 9pm he chews his toys on my bed till bedtime at 10:30. The crate has a little more room than he needs. He's only gone potty in it once before, last night he was very distraught (so was i). Safe to say puppies probably aren't for me, although the dog trainer at my work wasn't sure why he wasn't getting over it like most puppies. Just because the puppy is making me half crazy from lack of sleep, what do you expect me to do? Give him back? He's been great for everything else. It's an option. Not first choice but better for puppy (and you) to go to better suited situation than making you both miserable.. adder: Im the rommate of a similiar situation.. I will say it is VERY frustrating when someone brings a puppy that is up all night.. Her pup is getting better but it was really frustrating when they weren't sticking to a routine and setting the puppy up for success. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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| abrooks - 2014-04-23 11:30 AM
HHTough - 2014-04-23 7:16 AM He usually is with his brothers from 6am-6pm, then he hangs out with me till bedtime. Generally follows me around with whatever I'm working on then we play, around 9pm he chews his toys on my bed till bedtime at 10:30. The crate has a little more room than he needs. He's only gone potty in it once before, last night he was very distraught (so was i). Safe to say puppies probably aren't for me, although the dog trainer at my work wasn't sure why he wasn't getting over it like most puppies. Just because the puppy is making me half crazy from lack of sleep, what do you expect me to do? Give him back? He's been great for everything else. It's an option. Not first choice but better for puppy (and you) to go to better suited situation than making you both miserable.. adder: Im the rommate of a similiar situation.. I will say it is VERY frustrating when someone brings a puppy that is up all night.. Her pup is getting better but it was really frustrating when they weren't sticking to a routine and setting the puppy up for success. Good luck with whatever you decide.
Uh thanks for the advice but I'm not getting rid of the puppy. My roommate is his breeder so she isn't overly concerned by his barking. |
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| If his littermates are the ones he's spending all day with I would consider isolating him from them for a while. Is mom with them as well?
He's bonded to these other pups and every night is like going back to square one breaking the bond. I can only see this as being a vicious cycle and really hard to break. |
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| OhMax - 2014-04-23 1:32 PM
If his littermates are the ones he's spending all day with I would consider isolating him from them for a while. Is mom with them as well?
He's bonded to these other pups and every night is like going back to square one breaking the bond. I can only see this as being a vicious cycle and really hard to break.
Nope his mom isn't in with them. He's fine being away from his litermates but he's usually with me. |
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Location: Alberta | pinx05 - 2014-04-23 1:28 AM HHTough - 2014-04-23 12:56 AM I am at my wits end with that puppy. The towel over the cage gt me a poop smeared all over the kennel along with screaming all night (he could've held it, he pooped three times 2hrs ago). I gave in, put him upstairs and Im trying to not hurl because I can't hose the kennel till morning. That puppy is evil, pretty sure. Or he is just a puppy... and maybe puppies aren't for you.
Do you ever work with him on staying in the crate during the day for shorter periods of time? Or did you just put him in one night and expect him to understand? Serious question.
Crate training (for any of my dogs) is a process. First teaching them to go in, and that it is a good place. Then getting them used to being in it for a short amount of time and teaching them that when they are quiet they can come out. Slowly leaving them in their crates for longer periods of time. Granted some dogs take to it like a duck to water, while others aren't as happy about being in a crate... but going slow with them I have never had one not get over the barking etc in a reasonable amount of time.
He is still very young, he is going to have accidents.
ETA: Also, it looks like all day long he is with other dogs then at night he is seperated from them. That could be some of your problem also. Is he ever away from the other dogs when he isn't in his crate?
I'm also going to add a thought of what "schedule" is the puppy on? I understand, out with other dogs all day, but does that mean full access to food, water? Are there certain times for feedings? When your home are potty breaks consistent (I do every 1-2 hours when first house breaking) till bed time!
I use a crate and my dogs see the crate as their safe place, but structure with puppies is so important as well! |
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| He has full access to food during the day and its taken away around 8pm. He goes out every 45-1hr till bed.
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| Last night he went to bed at 11 & I didn't take him out till 5. He did have explosive diarrhea but he had that to begin with (have to be careful hiw many treats he gets). I did notice when he REALLY started screaming at which point I'd usually let him out, after about 10mins he'd quiet down which is good!. The crate is going outside my room tonight, I need to kinda sleep for once! |
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| Cheerios make good puppy treats. Does he have diarrhea during the day? That would concern me, I'd be feeding some white rice and hamburger to try and firm him back up. Jmo.
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Location: MD | HHTough - 2014-04-24 6:17 AM
Last night he went to bed at 11 & I didn't take him out till 5. He did have explosive diarrhea but he had that to begin with (have to be careful hiw many treats he gets). I did notice when he REALLY started screaming at which point I'd usually let him out, after about 10mins he'd quiet down which is good!. The crate is going outside my room tonight, I need to kinda sleep for once!
a crying and upset puppy is the hardest thing to listen to. I hope it gets better soon! I hope it will be on the up and up.
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| I didn't read all the replys, but I have had wonderful success crate training. My biggest advice is to set a rock solid schedule and stick to it. It will take sacrafice on your part, but you had to know before getting a puppy that it is work. My boxer went out at 6 am - 8 am - 10am - noon - 2pm - 5pm - (my workday allowed for me to take one 15 min break in the morning and the afternoon and that's how I ran home to let him out. Distance or work schedule may not allow this for you. At bedtime for the first few weeks he did cry in his crate and it BROKE MY HEART. But I ignored him I did set an alarm and every night I did get up around 2 am to let him out because puppies cannot hold it all night from the get go. Vet says add 2 to their age in months. 2 month old puppy can be expected to hold for a MAX of 4 hrs. At 6 months you could possibly expect an 8 hr hold. No sooner. By 1 year of age my boy had the run of the house, home alone. He didn't have many accidents at all thru the training phase because he was on such a tight schedule. He will kennel up any time I need him to, but at this point his kennel is folded up in a closet. He is that trustworthy. All started with proper crate training. |
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he has been doing a lot better with the barking ...which is awesome except he's pooped in his crate (and smeared it all over) for the FOURTH night in a row. I took him out and he pooped at 11:15, when I got up at 2:30 to take him out he had already pooped. So gross.
Why does he keep pooping in there? He has pooped all of those nights before bed! He went over a week without pooping in there and now it's been four nights... |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | Is his stool normal or loose? Loose, there is a stomach issue, fix that then progress with the kennel training.
What are you feeding? If it is a lower grade puppy food, then most of it will be coming out the south end.
If his stool is normal, then you are feeding to much in the afternoon, cut that eveneing meal down.
Make sure you are on set schedule with him.
If he is barking being a nuscence (sp?) then correct the behavior. Cover the crate and get after him by thumping the crate and give the command 'quiet' or what ever you want to use. You will have to do this multiple times until he gets the message...it may take several repeats every night for a few nights until he understands.
If he is barking because he really needs to go out, then see my first part of this comment.
Consistancy is the key (with however you go about it) and what how you treat him now will continue into his adult hood. |
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| kasaj2000 - 2014-04-26 6:45 AM
Is his stool normal or loose? Loose, there is a stomach issue, fix that then progress with the kennel training.
What are you feeding? If it is a lower grade puppy food, then most of it will be coming out the south end.
If his stool is normal, then you are feeding to much in the afternoon, cut that eveneing meal down.
Make sure you are on set schedule with him.
If he is barking being a nuscence (sp?) then correct the behavior. Cover the crate and get after him by thumping the crate and give the command 'quiet' or what ever you want to use. You will have to do this multiple times until he gets the message...it may take several repeats every night for a few nights until he understands.
If he is barking because he really needs to go out, then see my first part of this comment.
Consistancy is the key (with however you go about it) and what how you treat him now will continue into his adult hood.
His breeder has them on a very nice dog food, the problem we've found (continued diarrhea & weird behavior) is the food is too high protein for him, too rich so causing his stomach upset. He's with one of his brothers till he feels better. On a rice/chicken/yogurt diet and slowly switching him to new food. |
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Location: Bennett, CO | I see a lot of things that might work if approached differently.
I know it seems odd to start here- But I think a big part of your problem begins with feeding. Im not sure what "too high protien" you are dealing with, and there are considerations for large breeds... But I feed a 28% food for the lifetime of the dog (But I have/raise performance Field Trial and Hunt test Labs) , but try to stick with one food.... But the dog needs a feeding schedule. Dogs are not meant to be grazers like our horses. They are meant to eat meals...Pups under 6 mo get fed 2-3x per day. It natural for them to eat quickly a meal, and then wait. If the dog does not clean it up in 30 minutes, put the bowl away. FEED THE DOG IN THE CRATE. this is essential. it makes it a safe spot that they want to go in, and it gives them short 30 Min or less training sessions. after 30 min, you take them outside for a big play (and poop) the idea is to get the bowel movements also on a schedule, that is related to their meals.
It is quite important to remove a bed, and toys from the crate. especially if he is pooping in there. he can have a milk bone or other quick and small (even my big dogs get a mini milk bone at bed time) trat like the beggin strips at bedtime. this will make clean up of poop easier, and the objective is, he cant poop in the crate and get away from it.
Moving onto next question.... What size in the crate? this relates directly to him pooping in it.. It needs to be large enough that he can stand and turn around and lay down... no bigger.. if He poops, he is IN it....
I agree with the pup playing with other pups and dogs isnt always great. Is it possible for you...just for a little while... to crate him when you go to work, and let him out over your lunch period..crate again until you get home?- this time in their safe crate leads to lots of good things even if it feels odd.. The dog will learn that the crate is their spot, and it is safe.. they can relax in there.. they come out of the crate ready to poop, pee and PLAY... even if it just for 10 minutes... give them a good play...
Crates take a little initial effort, but are lifetime tools for your dog. If he is pooping in your crate, he will poop in your bed, your truck or your kitchen..... the first step to ending all of this is making the crate his space.
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Location: MI | I know you've gotten a lot of advice, and it's better to stick with something to be consistent so probably don't change anything now. FWIW, I've generally had my pups in a crate in my bedroom/by my bed, then I know if they need something (taken out in the middle of the night, if they start to whine after they've been quiet for a while). I spray a water bottle at them and tell them 'quit' if they don't 'be quiet' when it's bedtime. |
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