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Unable to Live Without Chocolate or Coffee
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| I swore I'd never even consider ANY horse with ANY impressive BUT I found a gelding that by his description is looking like a good fit for us. I still need to go look at him but here is his pedigree:
Sire: zips heaven sent http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zips+heaven+sent
Dam: black n white page http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/black+n+white+page
I researched online and found that page impressive is hypp n/n. so that shouldn't be an issue. anyone have any horses with these lines? were they nice or naughty? lol |
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Expert
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| Page Impressive was n/n meaning he could not pass it on. If the horse fit my situation I wouldn't hesitate. Only issue you might have is resale.
ETA the few impressive horses I dealt with were sweet things, but I'm a big "its how they're raised" person
Edited by RoaniePonie11 2014-04-24 1:14 PM
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Location: Kentucky | I would consider any Impressive N/N horse. But I'm a fan of them. |
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We have had great sucess with our impressive horse, im also a HUGE HUGE fan of Custus Rastus. |
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| Wouldn't stop me, our old man at home is n/n impressive bred. I've also ridden some really nice Zips Heaven Sent colts...I'd snatch him up |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | I tried an Impressive horse out (3rd gen, I believe). LOVED him. I didn't get him, but it was nothing due to his breeding. He was n/n. |
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Location: IL | I know the resale on them can be hard because people see Impressive and shy away. But if the horse is N/N and I liked what I saw I wouldn't pass him up. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | My bad azz bay mare was a page impressive horse. She was hard headed, single minded and one of the toughest animals I've ever seen. She as N/H, didn't know anything about HYPP when I got her, found out about it later when I thought about breeding her. Decided not to because of the N/H but she never had any symptoms and I never fed her a special diet, she had pasture and fed good clean hay and used hard. Used to run her gymkhana events, one weekend I gathered cows on her for a good 8 hours in the rocks and hills, the next day a gymkhana with 6 or 7 events and it was June here so most likely in the upper 90's lower hundreds. I'd take a bunch more like her. Not to say they are all like that, but she was a good one! |
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Location: Central Texas | Didn't stop us from buying one. |
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The Advice Guru
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| run n rate - 2014-04-24 5:18 PM
My bad azz bay mare was a page impressive horse. She was hard headed, single minded and one of the toughest animals I've ever seen. She as N/H, didn't know anything about HYPP when I got her, found out about it later when I thought about breeding her. Decided not to because of the N/H but she never had any symptoms and I never fed her a special diet, she had pasture and fed good clean hay and used hard. Used to run her gymkhana events, one weekend I gathered cows on her for a good 8 hours in the rocks and hills, the next day a gymkhana with 6 or 7 events and it was June here so most likely in the upper 90's lower hundreds. I'd take a bunch more like her. Not to say they are all like that, but she was a good one!
Did yours have any other impressive in her, as if page impressive is n/n and your mare was n/h.
If not can someone educate me on how a n/h offspring comes from a n/n |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | I recently sold my paint gelding who went back to impressive 5 gens back. however the name impressive popped up everywhere so it looked like there was impressive all over the place. It scared a lot of people away (that and his cribbing) but finally the right family came along, and he's now a step up horse for a girl who's never been on anything fast before. He's doing awesome for her. I miss him… was at school when they made the sale and he left. Hopefully I will track him down and give him a hug when I come home for summer. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Just gave away 2 really nice Impressive bred horses -- one goes back to Impressive 4 times --both horses were N/N. Only reason I let them go was because of family health issues. Miss them every day.
Every horse is an individual. IMO, Impressive horses get a bad rap because they're too smart for the general public and people generally over-cue and that gets them in trouble real quick. Plus, smart horses don't take crap and don't have to be drilled as much. You've got to be able to recognize that fact.
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | Page Impressive was a good producer and people forget how Impressive was bred and that he was bred to RUN. A fluke of nature made him a fantastic sire of halter horses. LOTS of his offspring, grand-get, etc., are performance horses. I find the Impressive's to be a lot more sensitive than other lines, but infinitely easy to train and work with if you're quiet and sensible around them. Do you like the horse in my signature? He's an Impressive grandson and was the best horse I've ever trained or ridden. I've never had one try harder to please me. I'm riding his half brother now and he's logical, go anywhere I point him, etc. I wouldn't hesitate!
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I Really Love Jeans
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Location: North Dakota | Some of the best horses I have owned were Impressive bred. I never had any trouble with them at all, they remained sound and were very smart. They did not cost as much as other bloodlines but never had any issues which is what counts. |
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Location: Kansas | As long as that horse was HYPP N/N yes I would! |
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Location: AB | I always liked ZIPS HEAVEN SENT, nice stud. I think he is pos. As a herda carrier if I remember. With the bloodlines on this one you are looking at, I doubt resale would be as troublesome. Its not like 'cow-bred top, Impressive-bred on bottom'.
I am thinking people would pay more attention to the top-side of the pedigree in this instance,....well, as far as a gelding goes. ZHS is no slouch. Good luck in your decision. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Until the last year I would have said if the horse was N/N go for it. But now it's coming out that horses can have other genetic defects that can be just as troublesome and devistating as HYPP. I would recommend testing for all 5 genetic disorders that can be tested for by pulling hair. There are other disorders that you might be able to get a clue they are present with a blood test indicating elevated CK and AST levels. Horses can be N/N for HYPP and still have PSSM1 or 2 and/or MH. Those are dominant disorders that can be expressed in the horse with only one copy present.  |
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| There was a post on here not long ago about this. Personal preference. |
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Unable to Live Without Chocolate or Coffee
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| OregonBR - 2014-04-25 2:01 AM Until the last year I would have said if the horse was N/N go for it. But now it's coming out that horses can have other genetic defects that can be just as troublesome and devistating as HYPP. I would recommend testing for all 5 genetic disorders that can be tested for by pulling hair. There are other disorders that you might be able to get a clue they are present with a blood test indicating elevated CK and AST levels. Horses can be N/N for HYPP and still have PSSM1 or 2 and/or MH. Those are dominant disorders that can be expressed in the horse with only one copy present.
I don't have any idea about all the other genetic disorders you mentioned. I am out of the loop when it comes to that sort of thing. I did find a page for zips heaven sent: http://www.yarnellefarms.com/stallions/zips-heaven-sent/ Looks like he has been tested...
I can't seem to find anything on impress me page other than hypp n/n....
do you know how much the dna testing costs? He is 6 yrs old. |
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| As long as the horse was N/N impressive wouldn't turn me off. My gelding goes back twice way back. Just patterning him now:)
When I looked up the sire on all breed if you look at the info they have genetic test results only thing that popped out to me was this HERDA-N/Hrd (does that mean he is heterozygous?). IE neg/positive for herda?
That would concern me if the sire is neg/pos that means the foal has a 50/50 chance of having herda. |
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| CowgirlLindz - 2014-04-26 10:46 AM
As long as the horse was N/N impressive wouldn't turn me off. My gelding goes back twice way back. Just patterning him now:)
When I looked up the sire on all breed if you look at the info they have genetic test results only thing that popped out to me was this HERDA-N/Hrd (does that mean he is heterozygous?). IE neg/positive for herda?
That would concern me if the sire is neg/pos that means the foal has a 50/50 chance of having herda.
Herda is recessive, so the horse caries the disease but does not express it, meaning it would only become an issue if you breed to another neg/positive horse and ended up with herda +/+ that colt would be affected. A neg/positive gelding wouldent bother me in the least. |
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Location: Montana | I wouldn't let Impressive scare me away. I had a granddaughter of Impressive for my first horse, and I loved her to death. As long as the horse is HYPP N/N and you got along with him well and no other issues, the breeding wouldn't scare me.  |
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| della - 2014-04-26 2:37 AM
CowgirlLindz - 2014-04-26 10:46 AM
As long as the horse was N/N impressive wouldn't turn me off. My gelding goes back twice way back. Just patterning him now:)
When I looked up the sire on all breed if you look at the info they have genetic test results only thing that popped out to me was this HERDA-N/Hrd (does that mean he is heterozygous?). IE neg/positive for herda?
That would concern me if the sire is neg/pos that means the foal has a 50/50 chance of having herda.
Herda is recessive, so the horse caries the disease but does not express it, meaning it would only become an issue if you breed to another neg/positive horse and ended up with herda +/+ that colt would be affected. A neg/positive gelding wouldent bother me in the least.
Thanks I thought it was domiant! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | camocowgirl - 2014-04-26 9:28 AM OregonBR - 2014-04-25 2:01 AM Until the last year I would have said if the horse was N/N go for it. But now it's coming out that horses can have other genetic defects that can be just as troublesome and devistating as HYPP. I would recommend testing for all 5 genetic disorders that can be tested for by pulling hair. There are other disorders that you might be able to get a clue they are present with a blood test indicating elevated CK and AST levels. Horses can be N/N for HYPP and still have PSSM1 or 2 and/or MH. Those are dominant disorders that can be expressed in the horse with only one copy present.
I can't seem to find anything on impress me page other than hypp n/n....
do you know how much the dna testing costs? He is 6 yrs old.
They don't show MH test done. But I sure applaud them for getting the rest done. He is n/pos for Herda which isn't an issue because you won't be breeding him, so you're good for that much. |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | You can contact Animal Genetics for costing... http://www.animalgenetics.us/Equine/Genetic_Disease/Index.asp
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 Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | One of the best barrel horses I ever owned was a grandson of Impressive. The horse that June Holeman went to the NFR on was Impressive bred. If you like the horse and he is N/N, buy him. ;) |
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would you consider a horse that has Page Impressive 3rd Generation back?