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| This has probably been discussed, but I cannot find it. So my question is this a supplement or a feed? |
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Location: southeast Texas | It is a fat source. IMHO. Rice bran, flax meal, coconut meal. |
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| I consider it a supplement. I feed a small amount of soaked beet pulp with the renew gold and vitamins and minerals. |
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| I consider it a feed. I feed 1 and 1/2 lbs a day with 1lb of oats divided into 2 feedings. Alfalfa and Timothy Hay. Platinum CJ for a supplement. |
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| I use it as a feed and add a vit/mineral to it. I LOVE IT. I add alfalfa pellets for volume so the ponies think they are getting adequate amount of feed. My horses look and feel amazing on it. My favorite thing about it is the lack of ingredients. There's literally 5? ingredients. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Renew Gold is designed to normalize the digestive system in a number of ways. While fairly high in fat, it is not really designed as a "Fat Source". More to the point, it shifts the energy making job to the hind gut with more complete digestion of the hay or pasture as evolution intended. This does a lot of positive things in the digestive system. Whether it is a feed or supplement depends on the quality of your hay. If you are feeding a good mixed hay most customers are not adding any additional feed. If your hay quality is poor, or if the horse has teeth issues that keep it from breaking down course hay well you can add some feed, but at a much lower rate than you were using before. Call for help on the phone if you have questions or to find a close dealer. There should be no problem getting RG to a local store in Oklahoma. The office number is 530 934 9300. |
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Location: Here | Sandok - 2014-04-26 10:05 AM This has probably been discussed, but I cannot find it. So my question is this a supplement or a feed?
Depends... On my broodmare it is a supplement. It just wasn't enough. For my gelding he gets this plus beetpulp and flax.
I will be honest I was thrilled at first but I just don't like the inverted omega3/6 ratio. I like more 3 than 6 |
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Location: Willows, CA | On Omega 6 to 3 ratio. Remember, there is seldom a place in nature where an evolving horse ate a natural diet that was higher in Omega 3's than Omega 6's for the entire diet. Most of those diets were very close to neutral or around 1 to 1. While most experts feel that there is significant value in Omega 3's in the diet, 6's are also vital to body function. Omega 6's initiate inflammation. While this sounds bad, it is the catalyst for healing and immune response necessary for maintaining a healthy body. The body can not function without Omega 6. Cutting the gap from 8 or 10 to 1 found in conventional grain based feeds down to a closer range by using a much lower feed rate than conventional concentrates, and a closer ratio results in a balance in the entire diet of about 1 to 1 when the hay contribution of Omega 6 to Omega 3 is considered. This is a perfect result. It would be a shame to give up the value of the Renew Gold contribution to the entire digestive system simply because it did not have a greatly elevated Omega 3 level. We all need to remember, it is about the entire daily diet and how all parts of it function in unison to promote a healthy animal. Look for the bigger picture.
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| Whatever it is, its a miracle worker. My "black" gelding is actually a dark dark dark shinyyyyyyy black now! He has a whole lot of energy and has filled out beautifully. And my OTQH mare who has been a hard keeper gets a little bit of stablized rice bran as well. She is starting to fill out more and is also extremely shiny. I LOVE IT!! |
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| Interesting. Guess I am still not sure if it is a feed or supplement. I feed ADM feed with Equipride so not sure I really need to be changing and all my horses look good with what I am doing. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Renew Gold is a feed replacement if your hay quality is good. If your hay quality is not good, you would use is as a supplement to a greatly reduced amount of the feed portion of your current diet. One pound of Renew Gold can replace around four pounds of conventional feed. Hope this answers the feed or supplement question. |
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Location: Here | winwillows - 2014-04-28 4:43 PM Renew Gold is a feed replacement if your hay quality is good. If your hay quality is not good, you would use is as a supplement to a greatly reduced amount of the feed portion of your current diet. One pound of Renew Gold can replace around four pounds of conventional feed. Hope this answers the feed or supplement question.
My hay is excellent quality and I love the feed. But I just wasn't maintaining the weight and calorie requirements with a 3n1 package. I will still use it just have to add some to it |
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Location: NE Texas | I have been feeding RG for probably 2 - 3 months now and have not had stellar results. I have spoken with winwillows a couple of times and he has been very helpful in suggesting ways to make it work for my horses. I was previously feeding Omolene 400 and my horses all looked really good. I slowly changed them over to the RG and within a couple of weeks all three horses had lost weight and looked more "fit". I added alfalfa pellets per winwillows suggestion about a month ago and also my grass is lush and green and now they are starting to fill out. I'm still feeding it, as I love the thought process behind the RG, but i'm not too sure that it's going to work for my horses. Even with the addition of the alfalfa pellets, my horses weren't blooming like I thought they should be. I have wormed them a couple of times during this process, so I know the problem isn't a parasite problem. The two I have on it now are a 4 YO and a 3 YO. I also had an aged horse on it when we I began using it, but he's now just out on grass. Honestly he looks great and is slick as a mink. Both my colts got out on pasture as well with the aged horse, one at night and one during the day, and get the alfalfa pellets, grass hay, a pound of RG twice a day and both still have long dingy hair and both are still pretty fit looking. I am riding both of them, but not very hard and only 3 - 4 days a week. I've been treating the 4 YO for ulcers as well, as he choked a while back and thought maybe the stress of the choke has kept him from picking up the weight. I just wormed them all again with Equimax, so hoping I will see them pick up soon. Like I said, I love the idea of no grains, no GMO's, and the thought process behind the RG, but i'm not satisfied with what i'm seeing im my horses. Has anyone else experienced this? |
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Location: Phoenix | I switched over because my horse is like a child and cannot handle sugar is his feed. I'm visiting home this week and will let you know how his mentality is!! |
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Location: NE Texas | My horses are not hot at all on it. In fact, one of them i'd prefer be a little less "blah". I almost miss that playful energy he had on the Omolene. |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I have had mine on it for about 2 months. I thought he was changing but I got confirmation when my farrier came out. He hadn't seen him since being on RG and visibly surprised when I took him out of his stall. I was worried what he was thinking and he said.."wow he went through the winter well, he's actually fat!" My horse has always been a bit ansy while getting his feet done and he just stood there quietly. I went from Omolene 5 pounds to 1 pound of RG per day and he actually gained weight. NOW we are just starting show season so I'm hoping he's still running the good times and doesn't slow up because he's so calm now! |
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Location: South TEXAS | Herbie - 2014-04-29 9:37 AM
I have been feeding RG for probably 2 - 3 months now and have not had stellar results. I have spoken with winwillows a couple of times and he has been very helpful in suggesting ways to make it work for my horses. I was previously feeding Omolene 400 and my horses all looked really good. I slowly changed them over to the RG and within a couple of weeks all three horses had lost weight and looked more "fit". I added alfalfa pellets per winwillows suggestion about a month ago and also my grass is lush and green and now they are starting to fill out. I'm still feeding it, as I love the thought process behind the RG, but i'm not too sure that it's going to work for my horses. Even with the addition of the alfalfa pellets, my horses weren't blooming like I thought they should be. I have wormed them a couple of times during this process, so I know the problem isn't a parasite problem. The two I have on it now are a 4 YO and a 3 YO. I also had an aged horse on it when we I began using it, but he's now just out on grass. Honestly he looks great and is slick as a mink. Both my colts got out on pasture as well with the aged horse, one at night and one during the day, and get the alfalfa pellets, grass hay, a pound of RG twice a day and both still have long dingy hair and both are still pretty fit looking. I am riding both of them, but not very hard and only 3 - 4 days a week. I've been treating the 4 YO for ulcers as well, as he choked a while back and thought maybe the stress of the choke has kept him from picking up the weight. I just wormed them all again with Equimax, so hoping I will see them pick up soon. Like I said, I love the idea of no grains, no GMO's, and the thought process behind the RG, but i'm not satisfied with what i'm seeing im my horses. Has anyone else experienced this?
i have had similar results as you....I changed January 20th from total equine(it was getting hard to get) to the RG. my 5yr mare that looked pretty decent for winter got a ribby look 2-3 weeks later(she was also getting plenty coastal hay and a 3 string flake of alfalfa. i also had (2) 19 yr olds on it and 8yr gelding(coastal round bale 24/7).
i started everyone off at 1.25# for a full month but at that rate they still didn't pick up like they should.
i have kept the 5yr on it as she is prone to ulcers and have started adding soaked alfalfa cubes to her feedings about a month ago and now she looks great. very shiny and healthy looking. She isnow down to 1# per day and holding well with the soaked cubes.
i changed the other 3 off of it to safechoice perform and beet pulp and they are all looking better after 2 weeks.
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Location: Willows, CA | Coastal hay in the program adds a twist that really needs to be addressed. While it is very good horse hay if done right, it remains fairly hard to digest when compared to many other hays. As a result adding some alfalfa to slow the hind gut down some so that the digestive enzymes have a better chance to break it down really helps. This is the result that you are seeing with the alfalfa pellets mentioned above. It is not so much the alfalfa that bloomed that mare out, it is the fact that a little slower transit time through the hind gut resulted in much more complete digestion and use of the coastal. Also, it is very important that the horses teeth are not effecting it's ability to properly chew coastal hay. Even a slight ridge can make the cheek or tongue sore resulting in a little less chewing. They do not need to be dropping feed when they eat to need attention to their teeth with a coastal program. This in turn means that the hay is not broken up enough for proper digestion. Shifting the energy production from grain based feed to the hay in the hind gut takes a little extra care with coastal. However, the result can be great if the details are considered. In most cases, some alfalfa with coastal and some dental care results in a very fast change in condition for these reasons. |
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Location: NE Texas | I have my young horse's teeth checked every 4 - 6 months when they are 5 and under simply because there is so much change going on inside the mouth during this time. We did pull 4 caps from my 3 YO and smoothed my 4 YO out a bit, but nothing major for him. The one aged horse who isn't getting the RG anymore looks great, of course he's out on pasture 24/7. The other two are out on pasture 12 hours a day, are getting the soaked alfalfa daily, along with coastal hay (which they just pick on because they'd rather eat the grass sprigs in their lot) and they still are thin. Prior to changing to the RG my 4 YO looked great and was full and fat, not so much now, and we've been adding the alfalfa for almost 2 months now and i'm still not seeing the results. I so wish it would work, but it seems to be speeding my horse's gut up instead of slowing it down.
I guess what is so frustrating for me is that the one horse who has not had the extra care (hasn't had his teeth done in at least 8 months and isn't getting special treatment, alfalfa, RG or anything else) looks great, but the other two who I need to look great look pretty bad.
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| Herbie - 2014-04-29 1:39 PM I have my young horse's teeth checked every 4 - 6 months when they are 5 and under simply because there is so much change going on inside the mouth during this time. We did pull 4 caps from my 3 YO and smoothed my 4 YO out a bit, but nothing major for him. The one aged horse who isn't getting the RG anymore looks great, of course he's out on pasture 24/7. The other two are out on pasture 12 hours a day, are getting the soaked alfalfa daily, along with coastal hay (which they just pick on because they'd rather eat the grass sprigs in their lot) and they still are thin. Prior to changing to the RG my 4 YO looked great and was full and fat, not so much now, and we've been adding the alfalfa for almost 2 months now and i'm still not seeing the results. I so wish it would work, but it seems to be speeding my horse's gut up instead of slowing it down.
I guess what is so frustrating for me is that the one horse who has not had the extra care (hasn't had his teeth done in at least 8 months and isn't getting special treatment, alfalfa, RG or anything else) looks great, but the other two who I need to look great look pretty bad.
Have you tried to increase the Renew Gold? I feed 1 1/2 lbs a day with 1lb of Whole Oats. I also feed Timothy and Alfalfa. And for a supplement I feed Platinum CJ. My horse looks great. And is feeling and running great. |
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Location: NE Texas | I'm feeding 2 pounds a day, and if i'm going to have to feed all the other stuff in addition to it, I can't afford to feed it and honestly don't need it. I'd rather just go back to what was working or go a different route. The thought process was that this would improve the condition of my horses by feeding less, and in turn it costing me less money. I'm pretty disappointed in the results i've gotten and have done everything that has been suggested. It just isn't going to work for me, which stinks, because I do love the thought process of the product. I'm hoping that my feed store who ordered it in especially for me will be able to get the distributor to take what he has in stock back. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Satisfaction is guaranteed, to both the store and the horse owner. Call the office and we will refund. I would love to know what is getting in the way. We have sold almost 300,000 bags, and refunded 14. That said, a refund is no problem if you are not happy. |
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Location: NE Texas | Thank you so much. I wish I knew too, but I can share pictures with you of my horses via email and the before and after, as well as the horse who is not getting any of the RG. I wish it had worked for me. Do I need to have the store contact the distributor to take the their stock back or have them call the office as well? |
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Location: Here | winwillows - 2014-04-29 3:40 PM Satisfaction is guaranteed, to both the store and the horse owner. Call the office and we will refund. I would love to know what is getting in the way. We have sold almost 300,000 bags, and refunded 14. That said, a refund is no problem if you are not happy.
Thank you. One question, can you explain why the inverted omega 3/6 ratio? My one do nothing gelding has lost weight on it as well, and I am wondering if it is the inverted ratio. I started adding one cup of flax back to the ration along with beet pulp and he stopped loosing weight. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Yes, no problem if the store does not want to continue, they just need to contact the distributor. For some reason your horses' hind gut is not properly engaging if you can add weight with a regular feed, but not with a recommended Renew Gold ration, if your hay quality is good. What is preventing that natural hind gut function in your situation is hard to say from 2000 miles away. Curious that the same issue is present on two horses at the same location, as this would be rare on one horse. Once again, with coastal in the program I would suspect teeth. Having them floated does not guarantee it was done properly. I see a lot done wrong if a power float was used. Have you checked them yourself to see if there is a sharp edge on the outer edge of the upper molars? Please don't take offence, just guessing here. Call if I can help, but we would be happy to honor our guarantee. The office number is 530 934 9300. |
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Location: Willows, CA | On the Omega 6 to Omega 3 question, please see my explanation on page one of this thread. The result in the entire diet is a perfect 6 to 3 ratio. Remember, it is about the entire diet. |
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Location: Here | winwillows - 2014-04-28 11:05 AM On Omega 6 to 3 ratio. Remember, there is seldom a place in nature where an evolving horse ate a natural diet that was higher in Omega 3's than Omega 6's for the entire diet. Most of those diets were very close to neutral or around 1 to 1. While most experts feel that there is significant value in Omega 3's in the diet, 6's are also vital to body function. Omega 6's initiate inflammation. While this sounds bad, it is the catalyst for healing and immune response necessary for maintaining a healthy body. The body can not function without Omega 6. Cutting the gap from 8 or 10 to 1 found in conventional grain based feeds down to a closer range by using a much lower feed rate than conventional concentrates, and a closer ratio results in a balance in the entire diet of about 1 to 1 when the hay contribution of Omega 6 to Omega 3 is considered. This is a perfect result. It would be a shame to give up the value of the Renew Gold contribution to the entire digestive system simply because it did not have a greatly elevated Omega 3 level. We all need to remember, it is about the entire daily diet and how all parts of it function in unison to promote a healthy animal. Look for the bigger picture.
Thanks Sorry I missed this earlier I will agree to disagree about what inflammation does to the body  I am glad I tried the product. I truly wished it would be the simple answer for us. I am glad to see a company trying this route. I am glad so many have had success. It just simply didn't work for mine... |
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Location: Willows, CA | On inflammation, there is a huge difference between acute and chronic inflammation. Acute inflammation happens when there is an insult to tissue. Without this inflammation, increased blood flow and the start of healing that follows can't happen. Here Omega 6 is a benefit and necessary. The same holds true for allergic reactions, and the activation of an immune system response. Chronic inflammation(arthritic changes for example) is another thing altogether. In general that does not go away as a result of increased blood flow or immune system response. Acute inflammation and Omega 6 response is necessary to a healthy body. Chronic inflammation is not beneficial to health and there is some evidence that the Omega 3 influence may help reduce chronic inflammation. In theory, too much Omega 3 may interfere with necessary Omega 6 generated acute inflammation, and the same may be said of too much Omega 6 overpowering Omega 3 relief of Chronic inflammation. That is why the omega 6 to omega 3 ratio in the entire diet is the important issue.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | For those of you that feed RG with Alfafa cubes or pellets - do you feed it all mixed together or at different times? I feed the RG and a few hours later he gets cubes on last check in at night. |
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| Mainer-racer - 2014-04-30 8:55 AM
For those of you that feed RG with Alfafa cubes or pellets - do you feed it all mixed together or at different times? I feed the RG and a few hours later he gets cubes on last check in at night.
I feed it with the soaked cubes. I add the RG right before I put his feed out after the cubes have soaked up the water. |
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Location: southeast Texas | I just add the RG the same time as the Cubes. But the cubes are not soaked. I tried the soaking, they did not like it.
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Location: South TEXAS | GLP - 2014-04-30 8:59 AM
Mainer-racer - 2014-04-30 8:55 AM
For those of you that feed RG with Alfafa cubes or pellets - do you feed it all mixed together or at different times? I feed the RG and a few hours later he gets cubes on last check in at night.
I feed it with the soaked cubes. I add the RG right before I put his feed out after the cubes have soaked up the water.
i do the same. with soaked cubes in AM and soaked beet pulp at night feeding. |
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Location: Beautiful Pacific Northwest | How many cups equals 1 lb of RG? 3 or 4? Thank you. |
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| SG. - 2014-04-29 3:29 PM winwillows - 2014-04-28 11:05 AM On Omega 6 to 3 ratio. Remember, there is seldom a place in nature where an evolving horse ate a natural diet that was higher in Omega 3's than Omega 6's for the entire diet. Most of those diets were very close to neutral or around 1 to 1. While most experts feel that there is significant value in Omega 3's in the diet, 6's are also vital to body function. Omega 6's initiate inflammation. While this sounds bad, it is the catalyst for healing and immune response necessary for maintaining a healthy body. The body can not function without Omega 6. Cutting the gap from 8 or 10 to 1 found in conventional grain based feeds down to a closer range by using a much lower feed rate than conventional concentrates, and a closer ratio results in a balance in the entire diet of about 1 to 1 when the hay contribution of Omega 6 to Omega 3 is considered. This is a perfect result. It would be a shame to give up the value of the Renew Gold contribution to the entire digestive system simply because it did not have a greatly elevated Omega 3 level. We all need to remember, it is about the entire daily diet and how all parts of it function in unison to promote a healthy animal. Look for the bigger picture. Thanks Sorry I missed this earlier I will agree to disagree about what inflammation does to the body I am glad I tried the product. I truly wished it would be the simple answer for us. I am glad to see a company trying this route. I am glad so many have had success. It just simply didn't work for mine...
Edited to add: which is one reason I add Omega 3's to the one horse I feed rice bran nuggets to.
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Location: Willows, CA | Yes, it is a good idea to add Omega 3's to straight rice bran nuggets in most feed programs. Also to any conventional grain based feed program, and especially to diets that include corn or corn oil in the mix. However, this does not apply to a Renew Gold diet. When those entire Renew Gold diets based on forage and/or pasture and limited concentrates are considered, the result is an Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio for the entire diet of approximately 1 to 1.3. Most nutritionists would consider this about ideal. Additional Omega 3 support at this point may not be of significant benefit for a healthy horse without chronic inflammation issues. |
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| winwillows - 2014-04-30 5:10 PM Yes, it is a good idea to add Omega 3's to straight rice bran nuggets in most feed programs. Also to any conventional grain based feed program, and especially to diets that include corn or corn oil in the mix. However, this does not apply to a Renew Gold diet. When those entire Renew Gold diets based on forage and/or pasture and limited concentrates are considered, the result is an Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio for the entire diet of approximately 1 to 1.3. Most nutritionists would consider this about ideal. Additional Omega 3 support at this point may not be of significant benefit for a healthy horse without chronic inflammation issues.
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Location: mi | readytorodeo - 2014-04-30 4:45 PM 3 red solo cups are 1 1/2 pounds
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Location: Iowa | I use it and like it. I went to pick up a bag and was shocked to see the price had went up 10 bucks to $42 per bag!! Why the big increase?? It was fairly affordable before but now am rethinking big time. So disappointed!! |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | It seems like there are a lot of price ranges some people get it for as little as $30 and people like me get it for $50. |
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Location: South TEXAS | SNS - 2014-04-30 3:39 PM
How many cups equals 1 lb of RG? 3 or 4? Thank you.
i measured out 2 bags and it was 97.5 cups in each bag. 30#/97.5cups=.30# per cup. so a little over 3cups is 1# from my figuring |
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Location: Willows, CA | The price of Renew Gold from the manufacturer went up 55 cents per bag in January. That is the only price increase since it was introduced 2 1/2 years ago, and was only done because of an increase in the price of coconut. There is no reason for a $10 change unless it was a special order that had additional shipping charges. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Mainer-racer - 2014-05-01 8:09 AM It seems like there are a lot of price ranges some people get it for as little as $30 and people like me get it for $50.
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