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Location: Where I am happiest | My daughters mare foaled a absolutelly stunning sorrel filly w/ 4 high white socks, blaze face 5 days ago. She is a fancy fancy thang! She now is starting to exibit a skunk tail coming in, and she has a belly splotch on the very under side of her belly. It's a inch at least wide, and 4? inches long. So she is either a rabacino, or sabino or even both? I'm not a color person so I'm far from versed in all this. Can anyone tell me, in her pedigree where this is coming from? From both sire and dam ? or who? What horses in this pedigree carries the rabacino or sabino gene?
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Location: Desert Land | It must be the frenchmans guy...I have a daughter of First Down French and she also has a belly spot - BUT her dam did also. Another BB on here had a FDF filly born this weekend that also has a belly spot. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Biankus and his daugher are listed as roans on allbreed. I'm not sure if they are actually roans or rabicano...as Go Man Go was called a roan and he was actually a rabicano. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TheOldGrayMare - 2014-04-28 12:38 PM It must be the frenchmans guy...I have a daughter of First Down French and she also has a belly spot - BUT her dam did also. Another BB on here had a FDF filly born this weekend that also has a belly spot.
I would say FDF comes from the A Classic Dash line as he was and I have a bay daughter that is as bay roan as you can get (but it is impossible genetically so she is a rabicano). |
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Location: Texas | I looked into this because my mare who was in foal to FDF is a rabicano with really loud speckles under her jaw, in between both front and back legs, in addition to the roaning over the barrel and her coon tail.
Rabicano is in control of all that stuff, and sabino is often times concurrent with rabicano. I was told its what covers white on the face and legs. With my mare I was told rabicano for sure, and possibly sabino as well. I don't understand it very well.
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Location: Where I am happiest | casualdust07 - 2014-04-28 1:44 PM I looked into this because my mare who was in foal to FDF is a rabicano with really loud speckles under her jaw, in between both front and back legs, in addition to the roaning over the barrel and her coon tail. Rabicano is in control of all that stuff, and sabino is often times concurrent with rabicano. I was told its what covers white on the face and legs. With my mare I was told rabicano for sure, and possibly sabino as well. I don't understand it very well.
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | My Fab mare also has the coon tail and roaning in her flanks.
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| I never heard that FDF was rabicano; my mare is a g-great granddaughter of Go Man Go which is where she got her rabicano gene... she's very roany in flanks right now and then gets pretty black the rest of the year. Biankus was a roan. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Canchasr1 - 2014-04-28 4:53 PM My Fab mare also has the coon tail and roaning in her flanks.
Thats good to know. Thank's!! Sooo according to what your horse is,and what others are seeing by their Frenchmans Guy grandget, this filly is getting it from Frenchmans Fabulous. Is it Sabino, Rabacino, or both? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | SilverCanChaser - 2014-04-28 5:13 PM I never heard that FDF was rabicano; my mare is a g-great granddaughter of Go Man Go which is where she got her rabicano gene... she's very roany in flanks right now and then gets pretty black the rest of the year. Biankus was a roan.
Were either of your horses parents a rabacino also? Or can it skip generations? |
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Location: Living in my Promised Land | I have a color question. I just got a sorrel mare with a flaxen mane and tail. She has white hairs in an even pattern all over her, but no white in the base of her tail nor extra in her flanks. I would not say enough white to call her a roan. Any other names for that? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Linda D - 2014-04-28 4:38 PM I have a color question. I just got a sorrel mare with a flaxen mane and tail. She has white hairs in an even pattern all over her, but no white in the base of her tail nor extra in her flanks. I would not say enough white to call her a roan. Any other names for that?
still a rabicano, just doesn't show all the traits. My Sixarun mare seems to produce some and she hardly has any grey hairs. |
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Location: Texas | SilverCanChaser - 2014-04-28 5:13 PM
I never heard that FDF was rabicano; my mare is a g-great granddaughter of Go Man Go which is where she got her rabicano gene... she's very roany in flanks right now and then gets pretty black the rest of the year. Biankus was a roan.
I don't know if he himself is, but he throws it for sure.
As for my Reckless Dash mare, her sire didn't have it to my knowledge, I wonder if it came from the BA75 or if it skipped a generation somewhere. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | casualdust07 - 2014-04-28 8:59 PM SilverCanChaser - 2014-04-28 5:13 PM I never heard that FDF was rabicano; my mare is a g-great granddaughter of Go Man Go which is where she got her rabicano gene... she's very roany in flanks right now and then gets pretty black the rest of the year. Biankus was a roan. I don't know if he himself is, but he throws it for sure. As for my Reckless Dash mare, her sire didn't have it to my knowledge, I wonder if it came from the BA75 or if it skipped a generation somewhere.
Dash For Cash's broodmare sire was Go Man Go who is rabacino. I have seen quite a few DFC bred horses who expressed the rabacino gene but I didnt know if their dam's were or not. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Honors Abounding seems to throw roan/white spots. Not bird catcher spots but bigger roan spots. I have seen a couple with these spots and not just one, but multiple spots. What are those and are they attached to the rabacino or sabino gene? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-28 9:28 PM Honors Abounding seems to throw roan/white spots. Not bird catcher spots but bigger roan spots. I have seen a couple with these spots and not just one, but multiple spots. What are those and are they attached to the rabacino or sabino gene?
Hopefully HAB's owner will get on here, but I believe those are also rabicano genes. My stud has a thumb size one on his loin |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-28 5:16 PM Canchasr1 - 2014-04-28 4:53 PM My Fab mare also has the coon tail and roaning in her flanks.
Thats good to know. Thank's!! Sooo according to what your horse is,and what others are seeing by their Frenchmans Guy grandget, this filly is getting it from Frenchmans Fabulous. Is it Sabino, Rabacino, or both?
Im not sire on the Sabino, I think mine would fall under carrying a rabicano gene.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Which one causes the chin spot? I have a mare with 4 white legs, totally white nose with a star and strip, and a big chin spot. She's a BS paint, out of a BS paint, but her paint bloodline was a loud tobiano. Her AQHA sire has the chin spot and I remember reading that was from one of those pattern genes when they have white on the lower lip/chin. |
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Location: MI | Sabino has the white chin spot, splotchy white markings, roan patterns, and sometimes belly spots. Coon tail isn't usually associated with Sabino. |
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| This mare I used to own is rabicano - the roan comes out of the flank area and spreads from there. Also wanted to add she has a coon tail also.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | BandWranch - 2014-04-29 9:44 AM Sabino has the white chin spot, splotchy white markings, roan patterns, and sometimes belly spots. Coon tail isn't usually associated with Sabino.
This is correct. Sabino also is associated with white sclera around the pupil. I'm pretty certain HAB has a sabino gene as I've seen way too many signs of it o/o mares with no history of throwing much white. I got a filly this year with a belly spot. The second one I've gotten o/o 2 different mares.
This is a prime example of medium expression of sabino. You can't see it. But he's roan throughout his entire body. He has a roan patch on his butt but no leg white.
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Location: Hockley, Texas | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-28 10:24 PM casualdust07 - 2014-04-28 8:59 PM SilverCanChaser - 2014-04-28 5:13 PM I never heard that FDF was rabicano; my mare is a g-great granddaughter of Go Man Go which is where she got her rabicano gene... she's very roany in flanks right now and then gets pretty black the rest of the year. Biankus was a roan. I don't know if he himself is, but he throws it for sure. As for my Reckless Dash mare, her sire didn't have it to my knowledge, I wonder if it came from the BA75 or if it skipped a generation somewhere.
Editted to add, the above foal was her first. Her only marking is a star and very thin strip. This foal has a big star and had two back socks by Dallas Fuel with no white legs.
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Location: Where I am happiest | This is all so very interesting and have thoroughly enjoyed everyone sharing pics of their interesting horses! They are beautifull!
I find it interesting it seems some stallions may or may not express it themselves, but seem to pass it on rather frequently. I also find it interesting that appearantly, horses can be both sabino and rabacino. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Jess00 - 2014-04-29 1:58 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-04-28 10:24 PM casualdust07 - 2014-04-28 8:59 PM SilverCanChaser - 2014-04-28 5:13 PM I never heard that FDF was rabicano; my mare is a g-great granddaughter of Go Man Go which is where she got her rabicano gene... she's very roany in flanks right now and then gets pretty black the rest of the year. Biankus was a roan. I don't know if he himself is, but he throws it for sure. As for my Reckless Dash mare, her sire didn't have it to my knowledge, I wonder if it came from the BA75 or if it skipped a generation somewhere.
Editted to add, the above foal was her first. Her only marking is a star and very thin strip. This foal has a big star and had two back socks by Dallas Fuel with no white legs.
You should breed her to either Frenchmans Fabulous or First Down French and see what you get!! Could be very interesting and fun! |
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Location: Oklahoma | These are half brothers... the buckskin was a yearling and the sorrel was a 2 year old in this picture. Their dam had the rabicano and passed it along. The buckskin does have a skunk tail.
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Location: Hockley, Texas | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:22 PM Jess00 - 2014-04-29 1:58 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-04-28 10:24 PM casualdust07 - 2014-04-28 8:59 PM SilverCanChaser - 2014-04-28 5:13 PM I never heard that FDF was rabicano; my mare is a g-great granddaughter of Go Man Go which is where she got her rabicano gene... she's very roany in flanks right now and then gets pretty black the rest of the year. Biankus was a roan. I don't know if he himself is, but he throws it for sure. As for my Reckless Dash mare, her sire didn't have it to my knowledge, I wonder if it came from the BA75 or if it skipped a generation somewhere.
Editted to add, the above foal was her first. Her only marking is a star and very thin strip. This foal has a big star and had two back socks by Dallas Fuel with no white legs.
This is a more recent pic from last weekend. The dark spot is visable. The light spots on her back are spots she hasn't shed out on yet. They aren't lighter.
Doesn't she have a gorgeous forelock?! Her mane is beautiful too! Reminds me of some of the cool broncs I've seen bucked out at rodeos.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | That grease spot is supposed to indicate speed. |
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Location: Hockley, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-30 12:31 PM That grease spot is supposed to indicate speed.
Sweet! I never have heard that. Good to know! |
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