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| I need help with this so bad. I have a very well-broke horse but we have a ton of trouble with our lead between first and second. He knows well enough that when you are going to the left you need to be on the left lead, and vice versa. But when I go to make a run, we come out of first on our right lead and then when we get to second he changes in the front but not the back and it's all really rough and terrible. A couple strides out of second he'll switch in the back.
He is a really long horse, so I don't know if that is part of his problem, but he's really athletic so I don't think there is any reason why he couldn't physically do this properly.
He's a real ratey horse.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | If they cross fire that usually means there's a soreness issue. Has he always done this or is it something new?
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| He's always done this. And I know he's not sore because I had him at the chiropractor not that long ago. A few adjustments were made, but nothing major. My saddle fits him perfectly.
In other words, I know for a fact that it is not a soreness issue. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Start doing drills on him... in slow work after you turn the first barrel (over turn it just a bit so they know to finish) then bring him to a stop. At that point ask him to lope off (from a stop) on the left lead, if he picks up the lead continue to the second barrel. If he doesn't pick it up, turn around and go back to the point where you stopped and ask him again. Do this every time you work him until he learns to change as soon as he completes the turn. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | albertacowgirl - 2014-04-28 2:32 PM He's always done this. And I know he's not sore because I had him at the chiropractor not that long ago. A few adjustments were made, but nothing major. My saddle fits him perfectly. In other words, I know for a fact that it is not a soreness issue.
Chiropractors don't address sore joints. He could have sore hocks or stifles, or SI joint. J/S. |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-04-28 12:38 PM
albertacowgirl - 2014-04-28 2:32 PM He's always done this. And I know he's not sore because I had him at the chiropractor not that long ago. A few adjustments were made, but nothing major. My saddle fits him perfectly. In other words, I know for a fact that it is not a soreness issue.
Chiropractors don't address sore joints. He could have sore hocks or stifles, or SI joint. J/S.
How would I find out if his joints are sore? |
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Location: Sperry, OK | albertacowgirl - 2014-04-28 2:46 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-04-28 12:38 PM albertacowgirl - 2014-04-28 2:32 PM He's always done this. And I know he's not sore because I had him at the chiropractor not that long ago. A few adjustments were made, but nothing major. My saddle fits him perfectly. In other words, I know for a fact that it is not a soreness issue. Chiropractors don't address sore joints. He could have sore hocks or stifles, or SI joint. J/S. How would I find out if his joints are sore?
Take him to the vet and have a lameness exam with flexions done. |
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| same issue here... would love to here some ideas from people assuming no lameness. I feel like at this stage I shouldn't be having to break him down to a simple lead change. He should be able to switch front and back while on the pattern. He does beautiful without the barrels present, figures eights wonderfully, flying lead changes are a little ruff but he does it. I just can't figure out why on the pattern he'll only switch the front. So assuming no lameness(yes he's been checked and if it keeps up he'll be taken in) what are something's that I might be doing to prevent him from switching on the pattern.
Should I maybe switch directions?
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Location: Sperry, OK | FlyingJT - 2014-04-28 3:08 PM same issue here... would love to here some ideas from people assuming no lameness. I feel like at this stage I shouldn't be having to break him down to a simple lead change. He should be able to switch front and back while on the pattern. He does beautiful without the barrels present, figures eights wonderfully, flying lead changes are a little ruff but he does it. I just can't figure out why on the pattern he'll only switch the front. So assuming no lameness(yes he's been checked and if it keeps up he'll be taken in) what are something's that I might be doing to prevent him from switching on the pattern. Should I maybe switch directions?
Have you trained him to change completely (like the drills above), or are you just letting him do it on his own because he should know how? Even though he know his lead and picks them up, he just might night "KNOW" he needs to do it a soon as he finishes the turn around the first barrel, if you have not physically trained him to do it. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-04-28 2:50 PM albertacowgirl - 2014-04-28 2:46 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-04-28 12:38 PM albertacowgirl - 2014-04-28 2:32 PM He's always done this. And I know he's not sore because I had him at the chiropractor not that long ago. A few adjustments were made, but nothing major. My saddle fits him perfectly. In other words, I know for a fact that it is not a soreness issue. Chiropractors don't address sore joints. He could have sore hocks or stifles, or SI joint. J/S. How would I find out if his joints are sore?
This. Also check your shoeing. |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-04-28 3:32 PM
FlyingJT - 2014-04-28 3:08 PM same issue here... would love to here some ideas from people assuming no lameness. I feel like at this stage I shouldn't be having to break him down to a simple lead change. He should be able to switch front and back while on the pattern. He does beautiful without the barrels present, figures eights wonderfully, flying lead changes are a little ruff but he does it. I just can't figure out why on the pattern he'll only switch the front. So assuming no lameness(yes he's been checked and if it keeps up he'll be taken in) what are something's that I might be doing to prevent him from switching on the pattern. Should I maybe switch directions?
Have you trained him to change completely (like the drills above), or are you just letting him do it on his own because he should know how? Even though he know his lead and picks them up, he just might night "KNOW" he needs to do it a soon as he finishes the turn around the first barrel, if you have not physically trained him to do it.
yeah your right. I think i've been asking him to far out, not giving him enough time before we are right on top of it. |
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Location: USA | Bumping this up for you.
i have a horse that refuses to change in the back end as well. I have tried figure eights, break down drills and nothing works. He even cross fires out in the pasture. At a run, he can catch it most of the time , but it's very frustrating. |
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First to Second Lead Change