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Location: Southwest Minnesota | This was just posted on facebook. Apparently there are now 2 cases from Bonus Race Finals, one confirmed, one pending...
*** FOR YOUR INFORMATION >>> 04-29-14 (Tuesday): To date there are 14 confirmed EHV-1 positive horses -- in our 5 state area, and ONE new case pending.
- Horse 17 "Mama" - Owner Chasity Olson: South Wayne in Lafayette County, WI - tested POSITIVE for EHV-1 with neurologic symptoms (unable to urinate, loss of control of her hind end, and nasal discharge). The horse became ill on Wednesday, April 23 and was euthanized on 04/24. Attended the Bonus Race Finals (stabled in Barn 2. Row T. Stalls 350 and 351) held in Lincoln, NE on 04/10 - 04/13. FYI - mare was 17 years old and was vaccinated.
- Horse 18: Kansas? - Tests results PENDING - neurologic symptoms - Stalled in same area at Bonus Race Finals as Lafayette County, WI case #17 above. Currently at K-State (Kansas State University Equine Medical Center). Will know test results sometime Tuesday 04/29. The symptoms of this horse, and their timeline were similar to those of the confirmed case from the BRF.
(The Bonus Race Finals are one of the largest barrel races in the country, with an estimated 700-800 horses in attendance. There were MANY horses in attendance from our five-state-area ... thus the reason we are sharing this news here.) |
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| I think it's also important that people know this virus has evolved from what we have seen I the past, in the past or was a 7-14 day incubation period. This time around its much longer. 10-20 days. My vet who has been hands on with this from Stillwater said it's longer than what they have seen before.
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Location: mn | I agree. I'm also concerned barrel races have started up too soon up here. I hope like heck I'm wrong. But since the incubation period is longer than 14 days, I'm concerned holding barrel races 14 days after the last documented case is jumping the gun.
Someone posted that when is happened out west a few years ago, several shows were canceled for 30 days. I wish we had done that here. There was a 3day race this past weekend, and another coming up this weekend. I hate to say it, but I'm not going to be shocked if more cases pop up over the next couple weeks.
I think the weather has been working against us too. Last Sunday it was in the 70's here. Right now it's snowing, and we're lucky to be in the 40's this week. |
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Location: South Dakota | Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. |
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Location: mn | Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right.
On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. |
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Location: North Dakota | I believe the pending horse was also euthanized.
I also am afraid that after this weekend there will be more cases popping up. I will be staying away from weekend barrel races where stalling is required for quite awhile. |
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Location: Southwest Minnesota | I'm sorry I couldn't find more information on the second horse. I did leave a message on the University of Minnesota Equine Center FB page and am waiting for a response for verification. We don't do many barrel races but we do show horses at weekend shows in the summer. Our first show is this coming weekend but I am not sure we should go... I can't afford to lose a horse and it would be hard to forgive myself if they got sick because we were too excited to go to a show. |
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| I agree the weather isn't doing us any favors. This is just tough. I have a feeling that there will be horses that were at BRF at the event this weekend you are referring to. With knowing the length of the incubation period longer this time I feel worried about it also. |
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM
Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right.
On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week.
Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2. |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | When the outbreak hit Utah in 2011 everything was shut down for about a month. I wish people would realize how serious this is and that there will always be another barrel race.... |
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| Does anyone know who from Kansas it was? |
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Location: NE | I just heard this morning that the horse from KS DID test positive to the EHV-1.... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | What's especially concerning is that many of the horses that ran at the BRF I am sure ran at the BBR this past weekend. There is no telling how far out this is going to go. 
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2.
I wish I could get a map of the stalling area with the stall numbers on it. All I know is I was close to the affected horses but I have no idea how close and since I had 3 horses there I don't know if one was nose to nose or all 3? So far mine are temping ok and seem to be feeling fine. Our weather has been horribly wet, rainy and windy so its not working in our favor. We have a 1 day run on Sunday but the producer was nice enough to rip up my check and draw me out so I could keep mine quarantined a while longer. Mid May can't come soon enough. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong.
I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack. |
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| staceylynnh - 2014-04-29 11:43 AM
I just heard this morning that the horse from KS DID test positive to the EHV-1....
Renea posted on the BRF page that results were not due back until this afternoon on the Ks horse and it was just an hour ago that she said that.
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:01 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong.
I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack.
Agreed it has been made VERY clear that this event will go on. And that even if a vet will not give health papers to travel you will not be refunded because they are "not required" for this event. I do feel it would be for the best if it was postponed but it simply isnt happening which is very sad. |
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Location: North Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack.
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Location: Kansas | NBHA KS09 (northeast KS) just cancelled their fundraiser jackpot tomorrow at Topeka. It would have probably had a really good turnout since NBHA state finals are in that barn next week, but I'm actually relieved that it is cancelled because with a possible case in a NE Kansas horse that was at Lincoln, odds are most of us who run in that part of the state have been around the horse whose test results are coming out today. I have a feeling that if the results are positive, state NBHA will have a lot of turn outs again this year with folks electing to stay home. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 12:20 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack.
I had 2 entered in Huron for Sunday and I drew out. Even though its a one day run and no stalling I thought it best to keep monitoring my horses temps for another week just to make sure. With these indoor runs and the cruddy weather that's a lot of horses close together inside the barns. Losing one of my own horses would be devastating but if one of mine passes something along to someone else I'd never forgive myself. I'm not having any 2nd thoughts about the fact that I went to the Bonus Finals but I will monitor and make sure my horses are healthy before I take off for the next run. |
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack.
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Location: So. California | UTAHCANCHASER - 2014-04-29 9:29 AM When the outbreak hit Utah in 2011 everything was shut down for about a month. I wish people would realize how serious this is and that there will always be another barrel race....
And this affected all the western states, we just stayed home for 30 days. Cancelled all plans... There is always another barrel race, event, etc. |
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| The most frustrating thing is that everyone wants to get back to normal and be able to haul And get out, everyone feels the same way about that no doubt.... But assuming Race for Roses does go on, and any cases come out of the event full knowing that there will be more than several horses who were potentially exposed at BRF will be in attendance then we are right back to square one and will be having to cancel and delay events even further into the season that is already off to a very late start because of this mess. Idk what the right thing is, maybe it will go off without any issues. Maybe it won't. I hope that's not the case. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | rockinas - 2014-04-29 12:44 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack.
I am afraid I might be looking at scratching.
It's just not worth it.
Had the weather been sunny & 70 all week it'd be different.
Instead it's been in the 30s and 40s and rain/snow and that is stressful on these horses that have been used to 60/70 degree temps and now don't have a winter coat. Or at least mine don't have much hair left.
Mine lost most of their hair also. In fact the 3 I had at Lincoln I've got blanketed and keeping them in the barn as much as possible during the wind/rain to relieve as much of the stress as possible. I figure with the close contact they had in Lincoln added to the stress of the weather, added to the stress of getting a thermometer up their butt daily......they probably want to run away from home.  |
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| Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me. |
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Location: MO | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2.
The affected horses in row T 350/351 were at the alleyway end of the barn where the bathrooms were as you came in from pavillion 3 (warm up arena). I think I read that correctly from the other EHV-1 & BRF post. Please go check that post out as well if you are concerned. B&B has been up fornt and very honest, helpful with everything considering what she is going through. |
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| The horse in Kansas is pending official notification. The Kansas State Vet confirmed that the horse was potentially exposed to EHV-1. The tissue was tested and retested. The results from a lab in Kentucky should make a complete diagnoses.
The gelding that was put down was owned by a responsible owner who takes immaculate care of her horses. This can happen to anyone and the kindness expressed to horse owners who have contracted this has been greatly appreciated.
If you went to the Bonus Race check your horses temp's twice a day. Call you vet, research EHV-1 and do not take this virus lightly.
The official report on the EHV-1 in Kansas should be released today. The race in Toepka tomorrow has been cancelled.
The Bonus Race FB has been keeping up to date on the outbreaks also.
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Location: mn | EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 12:15 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack. Agreed it has been made VERY clear that this event will go on. And that even if a vet will not give health papers to travel you will not be refunded because they are "not required" for this event. I do feel it would be for the best if it was postponed but it simply isnt happening which is very sad.  I don't understand this. Really disappointing. If we see another wave of this, and I think we will because obviously we are not in the clear, events scehduled in May and June will be in jeopardy of being canceled, and we'll all be sitting home again.
Why did other states wait 30 days?? They were able to get rid of it quickly. Sure wish we could sit tight a little while longer. I think this is going to be a mistake.
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Location: Kansas | LabRat - 2014-04-29 12:53 PM Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me.
Last time this was going around, I was told (and I can't say how reliable that information is) that KS NBHA was going to be stuck paying for the facility that weekend even if no horses showed up. (I looked at results from 2011 online today and there were probably 40 of the nearly 300 entered who scratched and stayed home) It was a bad deal and I didn't envy the state director at all having to make that decision. She was pretty much in a no-win situation, like she will be this year again. Fees were due April 11th, so everyone who entered & then went to Lincoln probably dropped the check in the mail on their way out the driveway like I did, and now we're all going to have to make decisions about whether we go or not after the money is spent. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Shushi - 2014-04-29 12:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2.
I was row T also but I believe on the backside of the affected horses but I can't pinpoint exactly which ones of my horses were nose to nose. I guess at this point it doesn't make any difference I was just curious. I was T 345-347. |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:03 PM
LabRat - 2014-04-29 12:53 PM Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me.
Last time this was going around, I was told (and I can't say how reliable that information is) that KS NBHA was going to be stuck paying for the facility that weekend even if no horses showed up. (I looked at results from 2011 online today and there were probably 40 of the nearly 300 entered who scratched and stayed home) It was a bad deal and I didn't envy the state director at all having to make that decision. She was pretty much in a no-win situation, like she will be this year again. Fees were due April 11th, so everyone who entered & then went to Lincoln probably dropped the check in the mail on their way out the driveway like I did, and now we're all going to have to make decisions about whether we go or not after the money is spent.
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:03 PM
LabRat - 2014-04-29 12:53 PM Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me.
Last time this was going around, I was told (and I can't say how reliable that information is) that KS NBHA was going to be stuck paying for the facility that weekend even if no horses showed up. (I looked at results from 2011 online today and there were probably 40 of the nearly 300 entered who scratched and stayed home) It was a bad deal and I didn't envy the state director at all having to make that decision. She was pretty much in a no-win situation, like she will be this year again. Fees were due April 11th, so everyone who entered & then went to Lincoln probably dropped the check in the mail on their way out the driveway like I did, and now we're all going to have to make decisions about whether we go or not after the money is spent.
I guess to the facility owners it's tough also however I would feel that allowing a reschedule for maybe one or 2 events during affected times/areas would be less loss than multiple weeks of cancellations because of holding producers feet to the fire over the decision to cancel or go on when this kind of issue is happening and allowing the issue to perpetuate and continue on. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rockinas - 2014-04-29 12:44 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack.
I am afraid I might be looking at scratching.
It's just not worth it.
Had the weather been sunny & 70 all week it'd be different.
Instead it's been in the 30s and 40s and rain/snow and that is stressful on these horses that have been used to 60/70 degree temps and now don't have a winter coat. Or at least mine don't have much hair left.
I wouldn't go if I had to keep my horses with hundreds of others. Like I said, I'm going to sneek in, make my run, pick up my check (just kidding), and go home. In years past I hauled 3 horses, and stalled them all just because it's convenient, even though I live just a half hour away. Just too much uncertainty as far as I'm concerned. |
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Location: PNW | Anniemae - 2014-04-29 12:41 PM
UTAHCANCHASER - 2014-04-29 9:29 AM When the outbreak hit Utah in 2011 everything was shut down for about a month. I wish people would realize how serious this is and that there will always be another barrel race....
And this affected all the western states, we just stayed home for 30 days. Cancelled all plans... There is always another barrel race, event, etc.
Yep! It happened right around State Finals for the high school teams and I know in our area we even cancelled the little local playdays. BRN4D finals got rescheduled for August. The first big race I remember going to was the PGW at Pasco and that was AT LEAST a month after the outbreak. There's always another race, or another weekend to reschedule for. Prayers for all those affected and potentially affected. |
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Location: PNW | Has anybody "official" recommended that people from BBR check temps and quarantine? I know there have got to be tons of people who went from the BRF to the BBR. Wouldn't it be better to "assume" that BBR was an affected event also and take the necessary, not fun precautions? |
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Location: North Central Kansas | Where at in Kansas was the horse that was euthanize from? I was up at the brf but in pavilion 3. I have been to two local races since then and am planning on going to a race in Logan on saturday and then am hauling 3 horses to state NBHA. |
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Location: flatlands | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:03 PM LabRat - 2014-04-29 12:53 PM Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me. Last time this was going around, I was told (and I can't say how reliable that information is) that KS NBHA was going to be stuck paying for the facility that weekend even if no horses showed up. (I looked at results from 2011 online today and there were probably 40 of the nearly 300 entered who scratched and stayed home) It was a bad deal and I didn't envy the state director at all having to make that decision. She was pretty much in a no-win situation, like she will be this year again. Fees were due April 11th, so everyone who entered & then went to Lincoln probably dropped the check in the mail on their way out the driveway like I did, and now we're all going to have to make decisions about whether we go or not after the money is spent.
I know of at least three of us from Western KS that pleaded with the state director to take out her barn and office fees and to return to us the difference intended for the payout. She didn't. It was concerning to us then because of the proximity to the CO/KS stateline. Colorado had a no-haul sanction for that particular week in May--no trailers in, no trailers out. It was lifted before Memorial Weekend. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Ashley Gustafson - 2014-04-29 1:14 PM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:03 PM LabRat - 2014-04-29 12:53 PM Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me. Last time this was going around, I was told (and I can't say how reliable that information is) that KS NBHA was going to be stuck paying for the facility that weekend even if no horses showed up. (I looked at results from 2011 online today and there were probably 40 of the nearly 300 entered who scratched and stayed home) It was a bad deal and I didn't envy the state director at all having to make that decision. She was pretty much in a no-win situation, like she will be this year again. Fees were due April 11th, so everyone who entered & then went to Lincoln probably dropped the check in the mail on their way out the driveway like I did, and now we're all going to have to make decisions about whether we go or not after the money is spent. I guess to the facility owners it's tough also however I would feel that allowing a reschedule for maybe one or 2 events during affected times/areas would be less loss than multiple weeks of cancellations because of holding producers feet to the fire over the decision to cancel or go on when this kind of issue is happening and allowing the issue to perpetuate and continue on.
I spoke directly with Rick Hardy about this as soon as the outbreak popped up. He said those of us who decided to stay home would receive a refund. But, then he let the state director decide not to.
People were willing to let the NBHA keep the processing fee which is suppose to cover the venue cost.
They were even willing to receive a 75% refund of entry fees, but no refund was an option.
The USTRC cancelled a roping in Kansas that weekend.
I think someone sent a sign as there was a tornado and hail. The entry fees I lost was a lot less than the hail damage my rig would have gotten. 
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 1:08 PM
Shushi - 2014-04-29 12:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2.
If it helps at all both our horses had pretty noticeable blankets. One had a red PHT with zebra squares. The other had a customized BOT blanket on. It had white/pink/black fabric stitched onto the straps. |
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Location: flatlands | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-04-29 1:24 PM Ashley Gustafson - 2014-04-29 1:14 PM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:03 PM LabRat - 2014-04-29 12:53 PM Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me. Last time this was going around, I was told (and I can't say how reliable that information is) that KS NBHA was going to be stuck paying for the facility that weekend even if no horses showed up. (I looked at results from 2011 online today and there were probably 40 of the nearly 300 entered who scratched and stayed home) It was a bad deal and I didn't envy the state director at all having to make that decision. She was pretty much in a no-win situation, like she will be this year again. Fees were due April 11th, so everyone who entered & then went to Lincoln probably dropped the check in the mail on their way out the driveway like I did, and now we're all going to have to make decisions about whether we go or not after the money is spent. I guess to the facility owners it's tough also however I would feel that allowing a reschedule for maybe one or 2 events during affected times/areas would be less loss than multiple weeks of cancellations because of holding producers feet to the fire over the decision to cancel or go on when this kind of issue is happening and allowing the issue to perpetuate and continue on.
People were willing to let the NBHA keep the processing fee which is suppose to cover the venue cost.
They were even willing to receive a 75% refund of entry fees, but no refund was an option.
The USTRC cancelled a roping in Kansas that weekend.
I think someone sent a sign as there was a tornado and hail. The entry fees I lost was a lot less than the hail damage my rig would have gotten.
Haha...I think we were posting at the same time! ;-) |
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Location: Kansas | ks_cowgirl - 2014-04-29 1:24 PM Where at in Kansas was the horse that was euthanize from? I was up at the brf but in pavilion 3. I have been to two local races since then and am planning on going to a race in Logan on saturday and then am hauling 3 horses to state NBHA.
Northeast, so probably not someone you ran against in the weeks leading up to Lincoln, but I'm betting its someone I have seen at least a few times this year just because I run in northeast KS a lot. I haven't been anywhere except the vet clinic since Lincoln and I luckily did not stall up there or spend much time hanging around that stall barn. I'm entered at state but didn't buy stalls and if I go will be very anti-social as usual.
I remember the requests to refund partial entry fees to the 2011 state show, and I thought that was a good solution, particularly for those close to Colorado since it had the virus going around then.
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The horse was in Douglas County Kansas.
No one is hiding any information but the diagnoses is not official. The owners are grieving but will come foward after the State Vet has confirmed the EHV-1. |
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| Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 1:25 PM
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Shushi - 2014-04-29 12:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2.
If it helps at all both our horses had pretty noticeable blankets. One had a red PHT with zebra squares. The other had a customized BOT blanket on. It had white/pink/black fabric stitched onto the straps.
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Location: North Central Kansas | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:33 PM
ks_cowgirl - 2014-04-29 1:24 PM Where at in Kansas was the horse that was euthanize from? I was up at the brf but in pavilion 3. I have been to two local races since then and am planning on going to a race in Logan on saturday and then am hauling 3 horses to state NBHA.
Northeast, so probably not someone you ran against in the weeks leading up to Lincoln, but I'm betting its someone I have seen at least a few times this year just because I run in northeast KS a lot. I haven't been anywhere except the vet clinic since Lincoln and I luckily did not stall up there or spend much time hanging around that stall barn. I'm entered at state but didn't buy stalls and if I go will be very anti-social as usual.
I remember the requests to refund partial entry fees to the 2011 state show, and I thought that was a good solution, particularly for those close to Colorado since it had the virus going around then.
It makes me worried about going to state. Especially if the horse in question was from that area. I will have to make the decision if I will go to state or not. If nothing else pops up, I will for sure go. |
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Location: Kansas | ks_cowgirl - 2014-04-29 1:52 PM
rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:33 PM
ks_cowgirl - 2014-04-29 1:24 PM Where at in Kansas was the horse that was euthanize from? I was up at the brf but in pavilion 3. I have been to two local races since then and am planning on going to a race in Logan on saturday and then am hauling 3 horses to state NBHA.
Northeast, so probably not someone you ran against in the weeks leading up to Lincoln, but I'm betting its someone I have seen at least a few times this year just because I run in northeast KS a lot. I haven't been anywhere except the vet clinic since Lincoln and I luckily did not stall up there or spend much time hanging around that stall barn. I'm entered at state but didn't buy stalls and if I go will be very anti-social as usual.
I remember the requests to refund partial entry fees to the 2011 state show, and I thought that was a good solution, particularly for those close to Colorado since it had the virus going around then.
It makes me worried about going to state. Especially if the horse in question was from that area. I will have to make the decision if I will go to state or not. If nothing else pops up, I will for sure go.
Me too. I may end up turning one of my spots out just so I don't have to haul the old man. I figure he'd be the most likely one of mine to get stressed and wind up sick. Tonight I'm going to do some digging and see if there's anything I can give to boost Cliff's immune system since I do plan on going with him. Just not sure about my second spot at this point. |
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Location: North Dakota | I am surprised Red Horse is allowing R4R to go on. When the outbreak first hit they closed their doors, cancelled up coming events, and had a no in and no out policy. |
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| On top of the Run for the Roses, Big J is having their first 3 day event in Waterloo, IA. It's co-sanctioned with NBHA and usually a very big show. I know lots of BRF horses that will be there. |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 1:57 PM
I am surprised Red Horse is allowing R4R to go on. When the outbreak first hit they closed their doors, cancelled up coming events, and had a no in and no out policy.
Yeah- the feedback I got directly from the producer was that we are out of the 7-14 day period from when BRF was held so we are fine! :-/
I don't think they have adopted the new information that the period this go around is much longer than they have ever seen in the past; which makes sense. It's the nature of the virus to continually evolve..... As it was mentioned before the weather has been crappy the last week... If it were hot and sunny it would be less concerning as the temps and sunlight have a lot to do with the longevity of it hanging around. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 1:25 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 1:08 PM Shushi - 2014-04-29 12:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2. If it helps at all both our horses had pretty noticeable blankets. One had a red PHT with zebra squares. The other had a customized BOT blanket on. It had white/pink/black fabric stitched onto the straps.
I do remember those blankets. Was one of your horses kinda crabby and a bay if I remember right? |
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Location: NE | The Kansas State Vet has confirmed the case, that the Douglas County horse did test positive to EHV-1 |
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Location: North Dakota | Ashley Gustafson - 2014-04-29 2:13 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 1:57 PM I am surprised Red Horse is allowing R4R to go on. When the outbreak first hit they closed their doors, cancelled up coming events, and had a no in and no out policy. Yeah- the feedback I got directly from the producer was that we are out of the 7-14 day period from when BRF was held so we are fine! :-/ I don't think they have adopted the new information that the period this go around is much longer than they have ever seen in the past; which makes sense. It's the nature of the virus to continually evolve..... As it was mentioned before the weather has been crappy the last week... If it were hot and sunny it would be less concerning as the temps and sunlight have a lot to do with the longevity of it hanging around.
That info was never the protocol anyways. It was 14 days after the official positive results not from when the event was that the horse contracted it. The positive results were only 3 days ago and making it 6 days for the first day of R4R. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | rockinas - 2014-04-29 2:16 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:53 PM rockinas - 2014-04-29 12:44 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 12:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 11:44 AM The Race for the Roses is going on this weekend at the Red Horse Ranch Arena. I'm paid into the slot race in poles and am going, but I'm not going to stall there overnight. I'll just pay the jump out fee. I'm really itching to make a run somewhere, but I'm not going to haul 2-3 horses and keep them there overnight like I have done in the past. I'm going to warm up, make my runs and haul back home. Besides I'm only a half hour away. I have a feeling the turnout won't be as good as usual, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm really surprised Race for the Roses hasn't been postponed. Renea Bolling caught all kinds of hell for not postponing but yet this one is close to affected area and continues on without any flack.
I am afraid I might be looking at scratching.
It's just not worth it.
Had the weather been sunny & 70 all week it'd be different.
Instead it's been in the 30s and 40s and rain/snow and that is stressful on these horses that have been used to 60/70 degree temps and now don't have a winter coat. Or at least mine don't have much hair left.
I was only paid into the Huron double header but I agree that if anyone got sick all eyes would be on those of us at BRF. I'm tickled Lynn shredded my check and entry. I figure I'll be in the clear (hopefully) when the Spring Fling rolls around. |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 2:17 PM
Ashley Gustafson - 2014-04-29 2:13 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 1:57 PM I am surprised Red Horse is allowing R4R to go on. When the outbreak first hit they closed their doors, cancelled up coming events, and had a no in and no out policy. Yeah- the feedback I got directly from the producer was that we are out of the 7-14 day period from when BRF was held so we are fine! :-/ I don't think they have adopted the new information that the period this go around is much longer than they have ever seen in the past; which makes sense. It's the nature of the virus to continually evolve..... As it was mentioned before the weather has been crappy the last week... If it were hot and sunny it would be less concerning as the temps and sunlight have a lot to do with the longevity of it hanging around.
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| This is totally off the topic of the shows but I was wondering did the age have anything to do with these horse contracting it? I am just trying to learn more about this and with the horses being 17 and 18 of age and us only hearing about 2 cases out of 700-800 horses wouldn't this make people think that it has something to do with age? Again if I am wrong and misinformed please let me know and correct me so I have correct information. |
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| EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 2:29 PM This is totally off the topic of the shows but I was wondering did the age have anything to do with these horse contracting it? I am just trying to learn more about this and with the horses being 17 and 18 of age and us only hearing about 2 cases out of 700-800 horses wouldn't this make people think that it has something to do with age? Again if I am wrong and misinformed please let me know and correct me so I have correct information.
Everything I've read says it doesn't discriminate. Age, gender, etc. |
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Location: MO | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:56 PM ks_cowgirl - 2014-04-29 1:52 PM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:33 PM ks_cowgirl - 2014-04-29 1:24 PM Where at in Kansas was the horse that was euthanize from? I was up at the brf but in pavilion 3. I have been to two local races since then and am planning on going to a race in Logan on saturday and then am hauling 3 horses to state NBHA. Northeast, so probably not someone you ran against in the weeks leading up to Lincoln, but I'm betting its someone I have seen at least a few times this year just because I run in northeast KS a lot. I haven't been anywhere except the vet clinic since Lincoln and I luckily did not stall up there or spend much time hanging around that stall barn. I'm entered at state but didn't buy stalls and if I go will be very anti-social as usual.
I remember the requests to refund partial entry fees to the 2011 state show, and I thought that was a good solution, particularly for those close to Colorado since it had the virus going around then.
It makes me worried about going to state. Especially if the horse in question was from that area. I will have to make the decision if I will go to state or not. If nothing else pops up, I will for sure go. Me too. I may end up turning one of my spots out just so I don't have to haul the old man. I figure he'd be the most likely one of mine to get stressed and wind up sick. Tonight I'm going to do some digging and see if there's anything I can give to boost Cliff's immune system since I do plan on going with him. Just not sure about my second spot at this point.
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Location: North Dakota | Nateracer - 2014-04-29 2:39 PM EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 2:29 PM This is totally off the topic of the shows but I was wondering did the age have anything to do with these horse contracting it? I am just trying to learn more about this and with the horses being 17 and 18 of age and us only hearing about 2 cases out of 700-800 horses wouldn't this make people think that it has something to do with age? Again if I am wrong and misinformed please let me know and correct me so I have correct information. Everything I've read says it doesn't discriminate. Age, gender, etc.
Age may play a part if they have a suppressed immune system but I honestly don't think age is much of a deciding factor on what horse can become infected. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Now after reading more about this, I'm having second thoughts about even going near the RHR even if I haul back and forth. They had an AQHA team penning at the RHR last weekend, and the turnout was pitiful. If we end up seeing a couple more cases up here in the aftermath of that, we can kiss barrel racing goodbye until the 4th of July, once the dust has settled, if we're lucky. |
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Location: somewhere up north | Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 2:47 PM Nateracer - 2014-04-29 2:39 PM EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 2:29 PM This is totally off the topic of the shows but I was wondering did the age have anything to do with these horse contracting it? I am just trying to learn more about this and with the horses being 17 and 18 of age and us only hearing about 2 cases out of 700-800 horses wouldn't this make people think that it has something to do with age? Again if I am wrong and misinformed please let me know and correct me so I have correct information. Everything I've read says it doesn't discriminate. Age, gender, etc.
Age has nothing to do with it. I know two horses here in MN that tested positive were only 6 or 7. I think it has more to do with their immune system, stress, etc. |
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Location: Way up North | Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the vet out for R4R Friday? Can you vet out if your vet suggests you do so due to the virius?
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Location: So. California | EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 12:29 PM This is totally off the topic of the shows but I was wondering did the age have anything to do with these horse contracting it? I am just trying to learn more about this and with the horses being 17 and 18 of age and us only hearing about 2 cases out of 700-800 horses wouldn't this make people think that it has something to do with age? Again if I am wrong and misinformed please let me know and correct me so I have correct information.
If I remember correctly, it was at a cutting futurity in Utah where the 2011 cases originated from and started the spread to other events. Age was not a factor. |
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http://www.aaep.org/custdocs/2012BurgessEHV1Saskatoon.pdf |
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| There likely is the option to vet out however I think the bigger issue is the welfare of the horses attending still and the other barrel racing events that are held in the following weeks. With a known outbreak still developing, to me it seems somewhat irresponsible as a producer to not cancel their event that is slated to occur in a known outbreak period. This is the domino effect right? This producer had their event and if other cases result because of it, other producers within the same region will ultimately have to pay for it as well. As others have said, if another case pops up, we will all have to wait even longer to get back to normal. Idk, the more I think about it the more it seems it should be postponed. They have a backup date, they should use it. IMO. |
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Location: North Dakota | I want to give a HUGE shoutout to the producers of the Triple Turn Classic in Bowman, ND! They made a very difficult decision but one that was good for the entire horse community and postponed their event that was suppose to be last weekend until October. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I wonder what is the possibility of moving the date of the R2R? I wonder if there are some open weekends at the RHRA later on this summer? I'm sure they have looked at this. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 1:01 PM Now after reading more about this, I'm having second thoughts about even going near the RHR even if I haul back and forth. They had an AQHA team penning at the RHR last weekend, and the turnout was pitiful. If we end up seeing a couple more cases up here in the aftermath of that, we can kiss barrel racing goodbye until the 4th of July, once the dust has settled, if we're lucky.
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Location: Minnesota | Very frustrating! If the people from the affected areas had stayed home till the quarantine period was done (April 23) instead of going to Lincoln would we even be having this discussion right now?! Prob not. I just wish people would have just stayed home. Now we are looking at who knows when till it's safe
I feel for those who have lost their companions in this horrible outbreak. It just plain sucks.
I attended a race in brookings last weekend and who knows how many of those horses were exposed at Lincoln. I'm also entered up at race for roses |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | AllAroundRider - 2014-04-29 3:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the vet out for R4R Friday? Can you vet out if your vet suggests you do so due to the virius?
No refunds, I just asked today |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Barrel Burning Chick - 2014-04-29 3:35 PM Very frustrating! If the people from the affected areas had stayed home till the quarantine period was done (April 23) instead of going to Lincoln would we even be having this discussion right now?! Prob not. I just wish people would have just stayed home. Now we are looking at who knows when till it's safe I feel for those who have lost their companions in this horrible outbreak. It just plain sucks. I attended a race in brookings last weekend and who knows how many of those horses were exposed at Lincoln. I'm also entered up at race for roses
So I guess you should have stayed home from Brookings too. Don't start pointing fingers at those of us that went. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 3:33 PM
I wonder what is the possibility of moving the date of the R2R? I wonder if there are some open weekends at the RHRA later on this summer? I'm sure they have looked at this.
Since I am not on FB and I couldn't find any updates on the R4R website I called the producer the beginning of April to find out if they were still having it since pre entries were due April 1st (prior to learning they had extended the deadline to mid April) and at that point they were still trying to decide if they were having it or not. I was told on the phone that they already had a backup date should they need to reschedule. So there is a backup date they already considered earlier this month prior to committing to go ahead w the race this weekend. |
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Location: ND | EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 3:42 PM Agreed I tried to Vet out saying my vet said it was unsafe for me to travel and could produce documents and I was told No.
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Location: Way up North | SmokinGirlie - 2014-04-29 3:38 PM
AllAroundRider - 2014-04-29 3:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the vet out for R4R Friday? Can you vet out if your vet suggests you do so due to the virius?
No refunds, I just asked today
What's on the website is a little misleading then. I certainly do not envy producers but it also puts us entered in a difficult position. |
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| AllAroundRider - 2014-04-29 3:46 PM
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AllAroundRider - 2014-04-29 3:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the vet out for R4R Friday? Can you vet out if your vet suggests you do so due to the virius?
No refunds, I just asked today
What's on the website is a little misleading then. I certainly do not envy producers but it also puts us entered in a difficult position.
Thats what I asked and I was told no because travel documents for being out of state are not required by them and having a vet say they will not give them is not a "vet out" |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Anniemae - 2014-04-29 2:14 PM
EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 12:29 PM This is totally off the topic of the shows but I was wondering did the age have anything to do with these horse contracting it? I am just trying to learn more about this and with the horses being 17 and 18 of age and us only hearing about 2 cases out of 700-800 horses wouldn't this make people think that it has something to do with age? Again if I am wrong and misinformed please let me know and correct me so I have correct information.
If I remember correctly, it was at a cutting futurity in Utah where the 2011 cases originated from and started the spread to other events. Age was not a factor.
You are correct! It started in Ogden Utah (I lived not even 10 miles from the arena) and spread from there. They originally thought a draft horse had brought it in but I am still not sure if they ever traced it all back to one horse. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless. |
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Location: PNW | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:15 PM
Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless.
Ditto. There were some BIG races rescheduled. It makes it even a more compounded problem that many horses went straight from BRF to the BBR without much chance to show any symptoms (if they were going to be symtomatic at all). So now, there've been TWO huge races that have been cross-contaminated. And people are STILL talking about hauling out to a race? Entry fees be ****ed - it'd cost a lot more to have that much vet care or God forbid you had to replace a horse.
And also, not all owners are as honest as BarrelsandBabies - if for no other reason than fear of judgment from other riders. I'm glad I don't have to make these choices, because I'm pregnant and can't run anyways. But in 2011, I sure did make these choices and I stayed home and ate the few entry fees that weren't refunded, and went to the rescheduled races that I could make later that summer. |
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Location: North Dakota | svincent - 2014-04-29 4:30 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:15 PM Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless. Ditto. There were some BIG races rescheduled. It makes it even a more compounded problem that many horses went straight from BRF to the BBR without much chance to show any symptoms (if they were going to be symtomatic at all ). So now, there've been TWO huge races that have been cross-contaminated. And people are STILL talking about hauling out to a race? Entry fees be ****ed - it'd cost a lot more to have that much vet care or God forbid you had to replace a horse. And also, not all owners are as honest as BarrelsandBabies - if for no other reason than fear of judgment from other riders. I'm glad I don't have to make these choices, because I'm pregnant and can't run anyways. But in 2011, I sure did make these choices and I stayed home and ate the few entry fees that weren't refunded, and went to the rescheduled races that I could make later that summer.
I do want to say that many people at this event coming up this weekend have well over $500 in fees invested. That is why it would be best for the producers to at least offer refunds! It would help those people make a decision that is best for them and their horse. I know it would be super hard for me to just kiss $500 out the window. I understand the health and life of my horse is much more important but that would be such a hard decision to make especially when you live paycheck to paycheck and you saved up for a long time for that entry fee. I find it very selfish to not cancel or offer refunds to those that are concerned. |
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Location: North Dakota | Health papers are required to cross state lines so if you cannot get a health papers for your horse how can they not vet you out? Are they promoting you haul illegally across state lines?
ETA: The fact that they aren't requiring current health papers does not sit well with me either. I went to a run on Saturday that was a one day run without any stalling that required current health papers. If they feel the absolute need to have this weekend run during this current out-break at least require a VERY current health papers!
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Health papers are required to cross state lines so if you cannot get a health papers for your horse how can they not vet you out? Are they promoting you haul illegally across state lines?
You'd think the producers would see it this way....
They should keep office fees for facility/time costs but refund entries like somebody else mentioned. I'm not putting blame all on contestants - it is absolutely wrong for producers to not offer refunds or reschedule. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Wow...they could possibly legitimately keep a deposit portion to cover their losses...but return the rest as a refund. Thats the decent thing to do. Hopefully they see that. But if not...riders can vote with their wallets next year and not enter that producer's race.
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Location: North Dakota | svincent - 2014-04-29 4:47 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 4:43 PM Health papers are required to cross state lines so if you cannot get a health papers for your horse how can they not vet you out? Are they promoting you haul illegally across state lines? You'd think the producers would see it this way.... They should keep office fees for facility/time costs but refund entries like somebody else mentioned. I'm not putting blame all on contestants - it is absolutely wrong for producers to not offer refunds or reschedule.
I agree. They can keep the $20 office fee or whatever it was and refund entry and stalls. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | You all should be calling these producers and not just asking, but putting the pressure on. They need to be responsable along with ALL horse owners. It's rediculas the selfishness and irrisponsability I see from the mid west people. Be HORSEMEN!! Stay home, let this outbreak die and in a month you will all be back at it and it will be nothing but a distant memory. If they keep holding shows, and you keep hauling, it will go on and on and on and then the Govt. Dept Of Ag will shut us all down for alot longer and we will forver be monitored greatly. I sure dont want to be babysat because the mid west couldnt pull their big boy and girl panties up and go camping or spend time with family for a month instead.
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| I know many people have talked to the R4R producers until they are blue in the face and are those people who have $500 or more invested in this weekend and it is simple we will not be getting a refund. Also this is the first time our group has ever attended this race and we have all agreed that this will be the last simply because the safety of horses is not considered. So weather we all decide to eat our entry fees or not is something we are still discussing. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:53 PM
You all should be calling these producers and not just asking, but putting the pressure on. They need to be responsable along with ALL horse owners. It's rediculas the selfishness and irrisponsability I see from the mid west people. Be HORSEMEN!! Stay home, let this outbreak die and in a month you will all be back at it and it will be nothing but a distant memory. If they keep holding shows, and you keep hauling, it will go on and on and on and then the Govt. Dept Of Ag will shut us all down for alot longer and we will forver be monitored greatly. I sure dont want to be babysat because the mid west couldnt pull their big boy and girl panties up and go camping or spend time with family for a month instead.
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Location: North Dakota | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:53 PM You all should be calling these producers and not just asking, but putting the pressure on. They need to be responsable along with ALL horse owners. It's rediculas the selfishness and irrisponsability I see from the mid west people. Be HORSEMEN!! Stay home, let this outbreak die and in a month you will all be back at it and it will be nothing but a distant memory. If they keep holding shows, and you keep hauling, it will go on and on and on and then the Govt. Dept Of Ag will shut us all down for alot longer and we will forver be monitored greatly. I sure dont want to be babysat because the mid west couldnt pull their big boy and girl panties up and go camping or spend time with family for a month instead.
I agree! Yes it is hard because we all have been cooped up for over 6 months with this horrible winter and are anxious to get out and run again but at this rate we won't be running until fall if we can't all shape up and get our priorities straight!! |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 4:59 PM I know many people have talked to the R4R producers until they are blue in the face and are those people who have $500 or more invested in this weekend and it is simple we will not be getting a refund. Also this is the first time our group has ever attended this race and we have all agreed that this will be the last simply because the safety of horses is not considered. So weather we all decide to eat our entry fees or not is something we are still discussing.
These people not offering refunds and acting like jackwagons will also help make my decision when I go to enter future barrel races. |
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 3:39 PM
Barrel Burning Chick - 2014-04-29 3:35 PM Very frustrating! If the people from the affected areas had stayed home till the quarantine period was done (April 23) instead of going to Lincoln would we even be having this discussion right now?! Prob not. I just wish people would have just stayed home. Now we are looking at who knows when till it's safe I feel for those who have lost their companions in this horrible outbreak. It just plain sucks. I attended a race in brookings last weekend and who knows how many of those horses were exposed at Lincoln. I'm also entered up at race for roses
So I guess you should have stayed home from Brookings too. Don't start pointing fingers at those of us that went.
Based on the logic that she should have stayed home from Brookings too, those of us that worry about our horses safety and follow the vets instructions would all never be running again.
The no haul period was actually up on the 22nd of april. Vets were telling everyone to stay home until april 22nd,but after that, the travel ban was lifted and we were all told it was supposed to be safe again. No news of this horse getting sick was released until the 26th, which was the day that race was held in Brookings.
If everyone would have followed the recommendations and stayed home until the 22nd, at least the people who were from the states that had had previous cases, I am sure we would not be having this talk right now.
The race in Lincoln was held the 10th-13th. Everyone knew what was going on with EHV, at least people who are from the northern states, and they made the choice to haul horses to the race when vets were very clear about horses not traveling until the 22nd.
So actually, I would be pointing fingers at the people who decided to go, and then decided to haul again to other races knowing that they traveled to a big race before it was safe to travel again. If that would have been me and I would have felt the need to go to Lincoln in the midst of an outbreak, I would have at least not hauled my horses anywhere after that until the 28 days that horses are supposed to be quarantined was up.
Some of us gave up going to big races for the safety of our horses and others horses, and followed the vets instructions. Now we still have this whole mess because some people just could not for the life of them think of the big picture and just stay home for another few weeks.
I understand that people had a lot of money invested into this race...but the fact that even after hauling to this race when vets made it clear that people were supposed to be staying home, people who went this race just kept hauling to other races and possibly infecting horses whose owners had followed the recommendations and stayed home until the 22nd, really makes me mad. |
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Location: North Central Kansas | To those without facebook:
EHV 1 update - posting this so everyone can find easier... update from 4-29-14
The KS State Vet office has called me with results (on the EHV1 test of the Ks suspect horse that attended the finals) I will have a statement soon. The horse in KS (Douglas County) is positive for EHV-1 non neurotrophic strain. I will have a statement from KS state vet office within the hour I hope and more information. I do know they will be issuing letters to all KS BRF contestants warning them of the confirmed case and information on monitoring their horses. He has informed me that they will NOT be mandating travel restrictions at this time. I WILL POST THE STATEMENT FROM HIM SOON AS WELL AS A STATEMENT FROM THE OWNER. Please continue to monitor your horses. The owner did not haul the horse ANYWHERE after the BRF. She did attend the Columbia MO NBHA event the weekend after with a second horse but not the horse that was euthanized. |
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Location: North Central Kansas | And ...
We want everyone to know that we have been extensively monitoring EHV-1 issues that have been arising from Minnesota to the event in Lincoln, Nebraska through conversations with Dr. Jeff Van Petten and the producers of the Lincoln event.
Dr. Van Petten was just notified moments ago by the Kansas Department of Agriculture, Division of Animal Health, that there is a confirmed case of a Kansas horse that was euthanized and tested positive for EHV-1. At the time of this posting, we have not been advised of any additional cases with respect to EHV-1. A press release from the State of Kansas Division of Animal Health will be issued shortly with more details on the particular strain and with respect to movement of horses or scheduled events.
The Kansas NBHA wants to take a proactive role in trying to help control the EHV-1 virus to help protect our community of horses by choosing to reschedule our Kansas NBHA State Championships set for May 9-11, 2014. Stopping the movement of horses or large gatherings of horses is the first step in preventing the spread of the virus. The incubation periods and normal quarantine requirements will not expire until approximately the timeframe of our event and we feel this is the best decision for all to help control this highly-contagious disease.
Please visit your local vet or visit Dr. Jeff Van Petten’s Facebook page at Meriden Animal Hospital for tips on how to monitor and manage your horses for EHV-1.
We are working with the Kansas Expo Centre in finding a date where we can reschedule this event from their very limited options. We are currently looking at possible dates in August or October. We have a lot of conflict checking on big events to do. We are also working on a process to allow for carryover of the current entries, a refund request form for members needing that option, and an additional new entry deadline for members who might be able to enter the rescheduled show.
Please be patient through this process. We will keep everyone informed with updated information for the rescheduled show. As soon as we have the refund request forms ready and available we will post it on Facebook and on the web site at www.ksnbha.com. Please do not request refunds without the required form submission. If you have additional questions, please e-mail me at dawn@ksnbha.com.
Our thoughts and prayers to those individuals who are dealing with the tragic loss of a horse through this. Please be sure to monitor your horses carefully.
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CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 3:39 PM
Barrel Burning Chick - 2014-04-29 3:35 PM Very frustrating! If the people from the affected areas had stayed home till the quarantine period was done (April 23) instead of going to Lincoln would we even be having this discussion right now?! Prob not. I just wish people would have just stayed home. Now we are looking at who knows when till it's safe I feel for those who have lost their companions in this horrible outbreak. It just plain sucks. I attended a race in brookings last weekend and who knows how many of those horses were exposed at Lincoln. I'm also entered up at race for roses
So I guess you should have stayed home from Brookings too. Don't start pointing fingers at those of us that went.
Based on the logic that she should have stayed home from Brookings too, those of us that worry about our horses safety and follow the vets instructions would all never be running again.
The no haul period was actually up on the 22nd of april. Vets were telling everyone to stay home until april 22nd,but after that, the travel ban was lifted and we were all told it was supposed to be safe again. No news of this horse getting sick was released until the 26th, which was the day that race was held in Brookings.
If everyone would have followed the recommendations and stayed home until the 22nd, at least the people who were from the states that had had previous cases, I am sure we would not be having this talk right now.
The race in Lincoln was held the 10th-13th. Everyone knew what was going on with EHV, at least people who are from the northern states, and they made the choice to haul horses to the race when vets were very clear about horses not traveling until the 22nd.
So actually, I would be pointing fingers at the people who decided to go, and then decided to haul again to other races knowing that they traveled to a big race before it was safe to travel again. If that would have been me and I would have felt the need to go to Lincoln in the midst of an outbreak, I would have at least not hauled my horses anywhere after that until the 28 days that horses are supposed to be quarantined was up.
Some of us gave up going to big races for the safety of our horses and others horses, and followed the vets instructions. Now we still have this whole mess because some people just could not for the life of them think of the big picture and just stay home for another few weeks.
I understand that people had a lot of money invested into this race...but the fact that even after hauling to this race when vets made it clear that people were supposed to be staying home, people who went this race just kept hauling to other races and possibly infecting horses whose owners had followed the recommendations and stayed home until the 22nd, really makes me mad.
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Location: Kansas | ks_cowgirl - 2014-04-29 6:07 PM And ... We want everyone to know that we have been extensively monitoring EHV-1 issues that have been arising from Minnesota to the event in Lincoln, Nebraska through conversations with Dr. Jeff Van Petten and the producers of the Lincoln event. Dr. Van Petten was just notified moments ago by the Kansas Department of Agriculture, Division of Animal Health, that there is a confirmed case of a Kansas horse that was euthanized and tested positive for EHV-1. At the time of this posting, we have not been advised of any additional cases with respect to EHV-1. A press release from the State of Kansas Division of Animal Health will be issued shortly with more details on the particular strain and with respect to movement of horses or scheduled events. The Kansas NBHA wants to take a proactive role in trying to help control the EHV-1 virus to help protect our community of horses by choosing to reschedule our Kansas NBHA State Championships set for May 9-11, 2014. Stopping the movement of horses or large gatherings of horses is the first step in preventing the spread of the virus. The incubation periods and normal quarantine requirements will not expire until approximately the timeframe of our event and we feel this is the best decision for all to help control this highly-contagious disease. Please visit your local vet or visit Dr. Jeff Van Petten’s Facebook page at Meriden Animal Hospital for tips on how to monitor and manage your horses for EHV-1. We are working with the Kansas Expo Centre in finding a date where we can reschedule this event from their very limited options. We are currently looking at possible dates in August or October. We have a lot of conflict checking on big events to do. We are also working on a process to allow for carryover of the current entries, a refund request form for members needing that option, and an additional new entry deadline for members who might be able to enter the rescheduled show. Please be patient through this process. We will keep everyone informed with updated information for the rescheduled show. As soon as we have the refund request forms ready and available we will post it on Facebook and on the web site at www.ksnbha.com. Please do not request refunds without the required form submission. If you have additional questions, please e-mail me at dawn@ksnbha.com. Our thoughts and prayers to those individuals who are dealing with the tragic loss of a horse through this. Please be sure to monitor your horses carefully. Dawn Dawson
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I didn't realize they have a backup date for the R2R. I guess I can't understand why they don't play it safe and move the race back, if that's the case. After all I've been saying about this virus, I would be a hypocrite to turn around and go. I'm staying home. |
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Location: Kansas | Kansas Dept of Ag just sent this press release out to newspapers -
109 SW 9th Street
Topeka, KS 66612
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Fax: (785) 296-8389
Agriculture.ks.gov
Jackie McClaskey, Secretary
Sam Brownback, Governor
For Immediate Release
For more information contact
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 6:16 PM I didn't realize they have a backup date for the R2R. I guess I can't understand why they don't play it safe and move the race back, if that's the case. After all I've been saying about this virus, I would be a hypocrite to turn around and go. I'm staying home.
Good choice Scott. I hope they pull their heads out of their butts and at least refund those that choose to stay home.
I will not be entering the Prospectors Challenge either if they do not want to take our horse's health into consideration. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I decided I will just get a recording of a loud crowd and set up speakers next to my arena at home. I'll pretend that I'm making sizzling runs until this thing blows over. Yeah, that should work. |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 6:29 PM I decided I will just get a recording of a loud crowd and set up speakers next to my arena at home. I'll pretend that I'm making sizzling runs until this thing blows over. Yeah, that should work.
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Location: So. California | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 2:53 PM You all should be calling these producers and not just asking, but putting the pressure on. They need to be responsable along with ALL horse owners. It's rediculas the selfishness and irrisponsability I see from the mid west people. Be HORSEMEN!! Stay home, let this outbreak die and in a month you will all be back at it and it will be nothing but a distant memory. If they keep holding shows, and you keep hauling, it will go on and on and on and then the Govt. Dept Of Ag will shut us all down for alot longer and we will forver be monitored greatly. I sure dont want to be babysat because the mid west couldnt pull their big boy and girl panties up and go camping or spend time with family for a month instead.
Getting the government involved is a scary thought!!!
If they don't get this under control now, it may start affecting some of our bigger races that attract contestants from the midwest. Is saving $500 worth it? If your horse catches this virus and you are stuck with a huge vet bill or worse yet, euthanasia decision? All it takes is that everyone stay home for 30 days....
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 6:16 PM I didn't realize they have a backup date for the R2R. I guess I can't understand why they don't play it safe and move the race back, if that's the case. After all I've been saying about this virus, I would be a hypocrite to turn around and go. I'm staying home.
Unfortunately, greed knows no boundary…..MANY expressed the same opinions (to postpone) prior to the Lincoln event….and guess what….they were correct….horses WERE infected.
NOW is the time for the producers to put their greed aside and think of the welfare of the entire horse community. In the last big outbreak, it was stifled because producers did the RIGHT thing and postponed events.
eta: OR, at the very least, let contestants withdraw and refund entry fees of those who choose to be safe.
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Location: relocated to Texas | LabRat - 2014-04-30 11:53 AM Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me.
I agree with this. If enough competitiors would get together and petition the producer to postpone the show, maybe something would be done. I have produced big barrel events and I know the work and money that goes into doing so. But, I think if the producers would even refund part of the entry fee, people would understand why they couldn't get a full refund and feel better about it. They have to stop having these shows or this will never be contained. I am worried about several friends who had their horses at the BRF. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | NJJ - 2014-04-30 5:41 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 6:16 PM I didn't realize they have a backup date for the R2R. I guess I can't understand why they don't play it safe and move the race back, if that's the case. After all I've been saying about this virus, I would be a hypocrite to turn around and go. I'm staying home.
Unfortunately, greed knows no boundary…..MANY expressed the same opinions (to postpone) prior to the Lincoln event….and guess what….they were correct….horses WERE infected.
NOW is the time for the producers to put their greed aside and think of the welfare of the entire horse community. In the last big outbreak, it was stifled because producers did the RIGHT thing and postponed events.
eta: OR, at the very least, let contestants withdraw and refund entry fees of those who choose to be safe.
NJJ, I am going to disagree somewhat here. I don't think it is greed, many of these producers have a lot of money on the line - money that they have paid upfront to put on this show. And, as a small business, some of them cannot afford to lose that money. I think they should postpone or cancel the shows, and I think the participants should share in that loss by taking a loss of part of the entry fee if it is necessary to give refunds. Everyone in the horse community has to take this serious. I think the thing is, it is not being taken seriously enough. If the Race for the Roses has a backup date, I have no idea why they just wouldn't postpone it. People need to petition them to do so. |
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Location: Way up North | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:53 PM You all should be calling these producers and not just asking, but putting the pressure on. They need to be responsable along with ALL horse owners. It's rediculas the selfishness and irrisponsability I see from the mid west people. Be HORSEMEN!! Stay home, let this outbreak die and in a month you will all be back at it and it will be nothing but a distant memory. If they keep holding shows, and you keep hauling, it will go on and on and on and then the Govt. Dept Of Ag will shut us all down for alot longer and we will forver be monitored greatly. I sure dont want to be babysat because the mid west couldnt pull their big boy and girl panties up and go camping or spend time with family for a month instead.
A LOT of us have put our big girl panties on and have been following protocol. I did not enter this race until the last minute and there had not been any new cases for several weeks prior. It would be my first time hauling anywhere since last year. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 3:59 PM I know many people have talked to the R4R producers until they are blue in the face and are those people who have $500 or more invested in this weekend and it is simple we will not be getting a refund. Also this is the first time our group has ever attended this race and we have all agreed that this will be the last simply because the safety of horses is not considered. So weather we all decide to eat our entry fees or not is something we are still discussing. Start an online petition on FB or something. Put the pressure on. Maybe even contact the local press, TV and newspaper.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-29 6:50 PM NJJ - 2014-04-30 5:41 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 6:16 PM I didn't realize they have a backup date for the R2R. I guess I can't understand why they don't play it safe and move the race back, if that's the case. After all I've been saying about this virus, I would be a hypocrite to turn around and go. I'm staying home.
Unfortunately, greed knows no boundary…..MANY expressed the same opinions (to postpone) prior to the Lincoln event….and guess what….they were correct….horses WERE infected.
NOW is the time for the producers to put their greed aside and think of the welfare of the entire horse community. In the last big outbreak, it was stifled because producers did the RIGHT thing and postponed events.
eta: OR, at the very least, let contestants withdraw and refund entry fees of those who choose to be safe.
I agree....but those producers who won't even consider returning the entry fees or postpone (if they have a back-up date) are GREEDY.....They could keep the office charges, etc......and other producers (in the last outbreak) did the right thing. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | NJJ - 2014-04-30 5:54 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-29 6:50 PM NJJ - 2014-04-30 5:41 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 6:16 PM I didn't realize they have a backup date for the R2R. I guess I can't understand why they don't play it safe and move the race back, if that's the case. After all I've been saying about this virus, I would be a hypocrite to turn around and go. I'm staying home.
Unfortunately, greed knows no boundary…..MANY expressed the same opinions (to postpone) prior to the Lincoln event….and guess what….they were correct….horses WERE infected.
NOW is the time for the producers to put their greed aside and think of the welfare of the entire horse community. In the last big outbreak, it was stifled because producers did the RIGHT thing and postponed events.
eta: OR, at the very least, let contestants withdraw and refund entry fees of those who choose to be safe.
Yes, in that case, it does sound like greed. I was thinking more about the BRF. I know Renea and I know that she does her best to put on a great event. I know when I put on a large event like that, I had 15 - 20K in expenses upfront. These producers still need to cancel, don't get me wrong. I just think the barrel racers need to understand if they don't get a full refund. We want these big barrel races so everyone needs to share in the loss of having to cancel an event like this. Otherwise, a good producer like Renea Bolling might be out of business. |
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http://www.myhorseuniversity.com/resources/webcasts
Archive will be up tomorrow. Talks a lot about incubation periods and how long we need to be worried, etc.
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Location: PNW | EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 7:57 PM
If.someone could start a petition online on Facebook for example I would sign I just do not know how to build something like that.
Does R4R have a page on FB? If they do... People just need to start bombarding it with unhappiness.... And then share it. Boom instant bad PR |
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| This whole virus has taken any and all excitement away from me for this season. I am frustrated by the fact that people are choosing to haul and refusing to accept that this isnt going away as easily as they may have anticipated. I am frustrated with producers and I am sorry but loss of money on one event is a lot less than a loss on many.
I personally have no desire to haul right now and have no desire to support certain organizations who are not taking the proper precautions. I realize this all just sucks... however, I do want to show. The weather is $hitty and horses are stressed due to this... why push it? I just dont understand it.
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Location: PNW | EmtRoper - 2014-04-29 8:15 PM
Yea I believe they do
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| So im prolly going to open a can of worms here,but if its spread by contact what about selling / buying horses, tack and ect...? Couldn't it be spread this way too? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I posted on there....so who's next? I am going to catch so much sh!t. |
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| mokanchaser75 - 2014-04-29 8:49 PM
So im prolly going to open a can of worms here,but if its spread by contact what about selling / buying horses, tack and ect...? Couldn't it be spread this way too?
Yes it is. I didnt attend the MN horse expo because it just wasnt something i felt was a necessity and wasnt worth the risk no matter how big or small. |
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Location: mn | The more posts I read, the more ticked I get. Thankfully I did not pre-enter this weekend, so I'm out nothing. But I'm so mad for those of you trying to do the right thing and are being denied 100% of your fees by the producer. What is more ridiculous, is that there was a back-up date for this race? If this virus is not enough cause to fall back on that back-up date, what the heck is? I'm really surprised that this facillity, who was so pro-active when this outbreak started, is going through with it. They have another barrel race scheduled two weeks after this one that would draw a lot of entries.They'll be lucky to have it. Not to mention all the other non-barrel racing events they host. The draw for Race for the Roses is up. And there are entries that were at BRF. Now I'm not saying that these horses are not healthy, and maybe no threat. But why take that chance? Kansas has ONE documented case that came out of Lincoln. They managed to cancel and reschedule their NBHA state finals, yet we're in the freakin hotzone, have had how many confirmed cases and yet can't manage to postpone this. Amazing. Then take into account the weather we're having this week with temps well below average. (infact it's snowing here and in the low 30's) Perfect conditions for this virus to thrive. The last documented case in MN was April 8th I believe. It went dark for awhile and things were quiet, but it's reared its ugly head again. If the facility and producer chose to go on as scheduled, it's reckless and a lack of common sense. Hats off to KS NBHA state finals and the producers of Triple Turn Classic that are being proactive and postponed their events. RHR & R4R's, wish you could do the same instead of contribute to the possible spread of this virus. |
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| northerngirl - 2014-04-29 9:07 PM
The more posts I read, the more ticked I get. Thankfully I did not pre-enter this weekend, so I'm out nothing. But I'm so mad for those of you trying to do the right thing and are being denied 100% of your fees by the producer. What is more ridiculous, is that there was a back-up date for this race? If this virus is not enough cause to fall back on that back-up date, what the heck is? I'm really surprised that this facillity, who was so pro-active when this outbreak started, is going through with it. They have another barrel race scheduled two weeks after this one that would draw a lot of entries.They'll be lucky to have it. Not to mention all the other non-barrel racing events they host. The draw for Race for the Roses is up. And there are entries that were at BRF. Now I'm not saying that these horses are not healthy, and maybe no threat. But why take that chance? Kansas has ONE documented case that came out of Lincoln. They managed to cancel and reschedule their NBHA state finals, yet we're in the freakin hotzone, have had how many confirmed cases and yet can't manage to postpone this. Amazing. Then take into account the weather we're having this week with temps well below average. (infact it's snowing here and in the low 30's) Perfect conditions for this virus to thrive. The last documented case in MN was April 8th I believe. It went dark for awhile and things were quiet, but it's reared its ugly head again. If the facility and producer chose to go on as scheduled, it's reckless and a lack of common sense. Hats off to KS NBHA state finals and the producers of Triple Turn Classic that are being proactive and postponed their events. RHR & R4R's, wish you could do the same instead of contribute to the possible spread of this virus.
Red horse almost hosted a WSCA show there while the voluntary no haul was in place. I think enough people complained that they cancelled because there wasnt as much loss there. However, I dont think they have necessarily been as pro-active as other venues. |
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Location: WI | It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It's hard because I like the producer and her family, but if they can move it back they should. That's how I feel. I think if enough people are willing to speak out and maybe they will act. If that happens then this thread could wind up being one of the best threads we've had in a long time. She should talk to Renea Bolling and ask if she's getting some heat....I bet she is, big time. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
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Location: WI | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 9:22 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. What were the dates at Lincoln? How long ago was it?
April 10-13, so 16 days have passed. |
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| linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM
It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
Honestly I think "minimal" is a very vague term that cannot be determined based on the information we have now. With the horses being affected ranging all across the board in age, gender, hauling, etc. I dont think theres enough known about this virus. As many of said, this virus strives in this type of environment and I just think is this race worth it? If it continues to spread and people keep going to these events, we may never get to show. When things were pretty much all cancelled for awhile thats when we saw a break in it.
I dunno I guess for me, I would like to show but I am also not willing to risk my horse to do so. You make sacrifices for the things you love. |
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Location: Kansas | linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 4:43 PM Health papers are required to cross state lines so if you cannot get a health papers for your horse how can they not vet you out? Are they promoting you haul illegally across state lines?
ETA: The fact that they aren't requiring current health papers does not sit well with me either. I went to a run on Saturday that was a one day run without any stalling that required current health papers. If they feel the absolute need to have this weekend run during this current out-break at least require a VERY current health papers!
Not only a very current health paper but have the vet write the temp of the horse down and the date/time the temp was taken. I see too many vets that don't actually check horses over. |
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Location: mn | stayceem - 2014-04-29 9:09 PM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 9:07 PM The more posts I read, the more ticked I get. Thankfully I did not pre-enter this weekend, so I'm out nothing. But I'm so mad for those of you trying to do the right thing and are being denied 100% of your fees by the producer. What is more ridiculous, is that there was a back-up date for this race? If this virus is not enough cause to fall back on that back-up date, what the heck is? I'm really surprised that this facillity, who was so pro-active when this outbreak started, is going through with it. They have another barrel race scheduled two weeks after this one that would draw a lot of entries.They'll be lucky to have it. Not to mention all the other non-barrel racing events they host. The draw for Race for the Roses is up. And there are entries that were at BRF. Now I'm not saying that these horses are not healthy, and maybe no threat. But why take that chance? Kansas has ONE documented case that came out of Lincoln. They managed to cancel and reschedule their NBHA state finals, yet we're in the freakin hotzone, have had how many confirmed cases and yet can't manage to postpone this. Amazing. Then take into account the weather we're having this week with temps well below average. (infact it's snowing here and in the low 30's) Perfect conditions for this virus to thrive. The last documented case in MN was April 8th I believe. It went dark for awhile and things were quiet, but it's reared its ugly head again. If the facility and producer chose to go on as scheduled, it's reckless and a lack of common sense. Hats off to KS NBHA state finals and the producers of Triple Turn Classic that are being proactive and postponed their events. RHR & R4R's, wish you could do the same instead of contribute to the possible spread of this virus. Red horse almost hosted a WSCA show there while the voluntary no haul was in place. I think enough people complained that they cancelled because there wasnt as much loss there. However, I dont think they have necessarily been as pro-active as other venues.
I did not know that. I gave them too much credit! 
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM
linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
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Location: So. California | Ashley Gustafson - 2014-04-29 8:14 AM I think it's also important that people know this virus has evolved from what we have seen I the past, in the past or was a 7-14 day incubation period. This time around its much longer. 10-20 days. My vet who has been hands on with this from Stillwater said it's longer than what they have seen before.
Bumping this up for those who didn't see that the incubation period is longer now...
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| rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
In listening to the UC Davis webcast I believe (listen yourself to be 100 percent) he said typical it incubates within nine days. But it can be longer so they take it out to recomending 24 or so. Also any virus and body react differently. The horses with the latest cases were put down around the 24, this doens't mean the symptoms started that day or were even immediately noticable when they did begin. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | linds - 2014-04-29 9:23 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 9:22 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. What were the dates at Lincoln? How long ago was it?
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Location: WI | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
If a horse was at Lincoln, it most likely would have shown signs before it went to a show 2 weeks later. The incubation time is 4-6 days, horses will spike a temp 8-12 days before showing neuro signs, so check temps. The horse in WI was noticed with neuro signs 4/23, so 10 days after leaving Lincoln.
There is some good information on the U of MN fb page, here:
https://www.facebook.com/94542446302/photos/a.421751231302.222134.94542446302/10152342758076303/?type=1&theater
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| Frenchie - 2014-04-29 9:39 PM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
I really feel that the horses at Lincoln got it from a non-symptomatic shedder. I mean no horses there went down or were so snotty that people noticed. During and after running it would be noticeable. This is just IMO, but it adds up. |
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Location: Kansas | Nateracer - 2014-04-29 9:45 PM
Frenchie - 2014-04-29 9:39 PM rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again. I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
A non-symptomatic shedder is what scares me the most with all this.
I haven't read everything that's out there yet, but am trying to sort through it all and get a clear picture of what the vets know about this virus and what we can do to prevent the spread of it. |
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Location: Small Town Iowa | rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM
linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
This question is at the back of my mind. Could it be possible that we have a few "Thyphoid Mary's" out there that are healthy but still shedding the virus? |
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Location: PNW | jcrouse - 2014-04-29 10:35 PM
rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM
linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
This question is at the back of my mind. Could it be possible that we have a few "Thyphoid Mary's" out there that are healthy but still shedding the virus?
Undoubtedly. Which is WHY EVERYONE SHOULD STAY HOME. Yes it sucks, I did it in 2011. But 3 weeks goes by quickly... Especially if you have a healthy horse to ride and take your mind off the fact that you aren't running. |
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Location: Southwest Minnesota | *** The following is a statement from the owner of the most recent POSITIVE EHV-1 case in Kansas (This horse attended the BRF in Lincoln, NE). Our deepest sympathies and appreciation for sharing your story with us all >>>
"Thank you Kim Tatum for bringing such joy in our lives. Hank had been to the brf in Lincoln. He came home and had not been to another race. He showed no signs of any kind until the morning of the 23rd when I noticed he was walking a little funny. That afternoon he lost control of his hind limbs and was down. He was put down on the 24th. He was one of a kind and will be greatly missed. I want to come forward with this information NOW THAT IT IS OFFICIAL to dispel any myths or rumors. This virus can be spread by healthy horses, airborne, or direct contact from people or horses. All of the other horses at my barn are fine.
All horses at brf were potentially exposed as we don’t know where the virus came from. We had an autopsy performed and it came back on 4/29 for EHV-1 the wild non-neurogenic strain. There are several strains of EHV-1 including respiratory and neuro strains. Horses can have a fever of above 101 and carry the virus. If your horse has a fever over 101 blood and nasal secretions can be taken at this time and tested for EHV-1. It is my understanding UC Davis will run these tests at no charge in hopes of understanding the mutation of this virus. As always PLEASE VERIFY this with your vet." |
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| svincent - 2014-04-29 10:40 PM
jcrouse - 2014-04-29 10:35 PM
rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 9:27 PM
linds - 2014-04-29 9:13 PM It's a tough call. I spoke with my vet (from one of the primary reporting offices) this afternoon and he said the risk of exposure is minimal at best. It might be a little more if the KS case gets confirmed (which it now has) since that proves that it was circulating at BRF and not just an isolated case on the WI horse. He said any horse that was at Lincoln would have shown signs or come down with it by now, hence the minimal risk. I'm just on the fence still. RHR was shutdown earlier this year, maybe they will do it again.
I have one question on this - Could a horse get it at Lincoln, not show any signs, but go to another show two weeks later and expose others to the virus, then those horses die from the virus? If that chain of events isn't possible with this virus, then I'm not nearly as concerned about my own horses since they haven't been anywhere after Lincoln except the vet clinic one afternoon. But if it can spread that way and a healthy-looking horse can pass it on to others a week or two later, then I'm really scared. At any rate, I'm glad that eastern Kansas is seemingly shutting all barrel races down for a couple weeks so that facts can come out and everyone can make informed decisions about hauling and caring for their horses.
This question is at the back of my mind. Could it be possible that we have a few "Thyphoid Mary's" out there that are healthy but still shedding the virus?
Undoubtedly. Which is WHY EVERYONE SHOULD STAY HOME. Yes it sucks, I did it in 2011. But 3 weeks goes by quickly... Especially if you have a healthy horse to ride and take your mind off the fact that you aren't running.
One barn here in MN had one euthanized and had three horses "shedding" the virus without other sypmtoms. Vets even stated they would have given them a health certificate. They were only tested due to the horse that was down at the barn and later euthanized.
Who knows how many horses were exposed to the virus and maybe arent showing symptoms but are indeed shedding it. Now they go to RHR and shed to another 10 horses. . . maybe one of them gets the symptoms. Its ongoing unless we stay put for me. Obviously you are never safe but hauling and keeping large amounts of horses stalled together is a recipe for disaster. |
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | The reason that this worries me so much is that it was such a big race. There were horses from all over there. From tons of different states. So what had been a mostly secluded incident with the horses in mn and wi has now come in contact with over 1000 different horses from all over. So what started as an isolated thing in only a few states, now has the potential to spread all over. And if every horse that was in Lincoln goes to one other race and comes in contact with other horses, and those horses spread it by going to races, who knows how far this thing could spread and how many horses it could infect.
Lets all pray that that doesn't happen, but now knowing that the WI horse was not an isolated thing....it seems to me that that could be a valid worry to have.
Im not a vet or anything, that's just based on my own common sense about how things spread.
Personally, my girls will be staying home for a while now. There will be more races, I cant ever get my horses back if something happens to them. |
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Location: Small Town Iowa | I agree about staying home. I had personal stuff going on while the MN outbreak was happening so I was grounded during that. Now, I still plan on staying home because I can't and won't take the risk. I agree, that people just need to stay home during this. There will be other races. Granted, I don't think I'm competitive enough to be going to the bigger races quite yet, but still it's a chance I'm not willing to take. I'll stay home and save my money. |
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Location: western Nebraska | Based on the new info out now we made the decision tonight to postpone our 18th Annual Barrel Racing Mania that was to be held this weekend May 2,3,4. It will be held on May 30,31, June1st in Broken Bow, NE. I need to get the word out so no one shows up not knowing it has been postponed.
We believe we have done the right thing and I hope everyone that was coming will support our decision and will be able to come play the end of May!
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Location: Where I am happiest | doglady - 2014-04-30 12:09 AM Based on the new info out now we made the decision tonight to postpone our 18th Annual Barrel Racing Mania that was to be held this weekend May 2,3,4. It will be held on May 30,31, June1st in Broken Bow, NE. I need to get the word out so no one shows up not knowing it has been postponed.
We believe we have done the right thing and I hope everyone that was coming will support our decision and will be able to come play the end of May!
Thanks Martee Pruitt
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | LDH - 2014-04-29 5:42 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 3:39 PM Barrel Burning Chick - 2014-04-29 3:35 PM Very frustrating! If the people from the affected areas had stayed home till the quarantine period was done (April 23) instead of going to Lincoln would we even be having this discussion right now?! Prob not. I just wish people would have just stayed home. Now we are looking at who knows when till it's safe I feel for those who have lost their companions in this horrible outbreak. It just plain sucks. I attended a race in brookings last weekend and who knows how many of those horses were exposed at Lincoln. I'm also entered up at race for roses So I guess you should have stayed home from Brookings too. Don't start pointing fingers at those of us that went. Based on the logic that she should have stayed home from Brookings too, those of us that worry about our horses safety and follow the vets instructions would all never be running again. The no haul period was actually up on the 22nd of april. Vets were telling everyone to stay home until april 22nd,but after that, the travel ban was lifted and we were all told it was supposed to be safe again. No news of this horse getting sick was released until the 26th, which was the day that race was held in Brookings. If everyone would have followed the recommendations and stayed home until the 22nd, at least the people who were from the states that had had previous cases, I am sure we would not be having this talk right now. The race in Lincoln was held the 10th-13th. Everyone knew what was going on with EHV, at least people who are from the northern states, and they made the choice to haul horses to the race when vets were very clear about horses not traveling until the 22nd. So actually, I would be pointing fingers at the people who decided to go, and then decided to haul again to other races knowing that they traveled to a big race before it was safe to travel again. If that would have been me and I would have felt the need to go to Lincoln in the midst of an outbreak, I would have at least not hauled my horses anywhere after that until the 28 days that horses are supposed to be quarantined was up. Some of us gave up going to big races for the safety of our horses and others horses, and followed the vets instructions. Now we still have this whole mess because some people just could not for the life of them think of the big picture and just stay home for another few weeks. I understand that people had a lot of money invested into this race...but the fact that even after hauling to this race when vets made it clear that people were supposed to be staying home, people who went this race just kept hauling to other races and possibly infecting horses whose owners had followed the recommendations and stayed home until the 22nd, really makes me mad.
I went to Lincoln because I'm not in the hot zone and I haven't traveled after that. My point with my statement to Barrel Burning Chick was its total BS that someone has the balls to reprimand someone for going that just lost their horse.
I think another HUGE thing that causes so much controversy between us is no one seems to know the right and wrong. Some vets say its been around forever and to keep hauling, some vets are saying stay home. No one knows how to handle this IMO. |
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Location: North Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 7:27 AM
LDH - 2014-04-29 5:42 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 3:39 PM Barrel Burning Chick - 2014-04-29 3:35 PM Very frustrating! If the people from the affected areas had stayed home till the quarantine period was done (April 23) instead of going to Lincoln would we even be having this discussion right now?! Prob not. I just wish people would have just stayed home. Now we are looking at who knows when till it's safe I feel for those who have lost their companions in this horrible outbreak. It just plain sucks. I attended a race in brookings last weekend and who knows how many of those horses were exposed at Lincoln. I'm also entered up at race for roses So I guess you should have stayed home from Brookings too. Don't start pointing fingers at those of us that went. Based on the logic that she should have stayed home from Brookings too, those of us that worry about our horses safety and follow the vets instructions would all never be running again. The no haul period was actually up on the 22nd of april. Vets were telling everyone to stay home until april 22nd,but after that, the travel ban was lifted and we were all told it was supposed to be safe again. No news of this horse getting sick was released until the 26th, which was the day that race was held in Brookings. If everyone would have followed the recommendations and stayed home until the 22nd, at least the people who were from the states that had had previous cases, I am sure we would not be having this talk right now. The race in Lincoln was held the 10th-13th. Everyone knew what was going on with EHV, at least people who are from the northern states, and they made the choice to haul horses to the race when vets were very clear about horses not traveling until the 22nd. So actually, I would be pointing fingers at the people who decided to go, and then decided to haul again to other races knowing that they traveled to a big race before it was safe to travel again. If that would have been me and I would have felt the need to go to Lincoln in the midst of an outbreak, I would have at least not hauled my horses anywhere after that until the 28 days that horses are supposed to be quarantined was up. Some of us gave up going to big races for the safety of our horses and others horses, and followed the vets instructions. Now we still have this whole mess because some people just could not for the life of them think of the big picture and just stay home for another few weeks. I understand that people had a lot of money invested into this race...but the fact that even after hauling to this race when vets made it clear that people were supposed to be staying home, people who went this race just kept hauling to other races and possibly infecting horses whose owners had followed the recommendations and stayed home until the 22nd, really makes me mad.
I think another HUGE thing that causes so much controversy between us is no one seems to know the right and wrong. Some vets say its been around forever and to keep hauling, some vets are saying stay home. No one knows how to handle this IMO.
I don't think she was reprimanding the person who lost their horse since that person was not originally at risk. I think she was more on the lines just letting out her frustration on those that are in the hot zone and decided to haul anyways knowing darn well they could be spreading this crap. |
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Location: North Dakota | What also is confusing to others is when vets continue to haul to barrel races during this outbreak. People sometimes seem to think of vets as God and that they can do no wrong so if a vet hauls it must be ok to go.
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Out of respect to those who have lost their beloved horses including my friends Darby and her family please let's NOT point the finger at anyone.
There is a solution to this virus spreading further. Stay home. It's that simple.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Gail - 2014-04-30 8:09 AM
Out of respect to those who have lost their beloved horses including my friends Darby and her family please let's NOT point the finger at anyone.
There is a solution to this virus spreading further. Stay home. It's that simple.
Hugs and prayers to my friends who have lost loved horses.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nateracer - 2014-04-30 8:15 AM I really don't think it's anyones fault. If you have a horse that shows no symptoms AT ALL, how could you possibly know they were spreading it??
Hence the reason to stay home. I want to give "kudos" to Rae here....She was at the BRF and instead of taking the "chance" of infecting or spreading the disease (even though her horses show NO symptoms), she has decided to STAY HOME from the Big J and away from other horses.....Good job, Rae......Now, if the producers would just WAKE UP and postpone some of these races, the "outbreak" may subside......
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Location: North Dakota | I have no source of income right now because of this crap. No horses in or off my property so that means no training horses can come in, no horses will be sold, I cancelled clinics and lessons. I am a sitting duck just waiting for this to go away. I have a farrier/vet apt tomorrow but will probably be staying home even though they need to get done NOW and not 6 weeks from now. It also doesn't help any that my vet continues to haul to rodeos and big barrel races. I am just getting more and more frustrated the more I think about this.
So many of us are missing out on so much but it will all be in vain if not everyone can get on board and stay home. At this rate I will be broke in no time! Thank God my husband has a good job that can support us both especially if I am not hauling. But we can't get anything done around here if I don't get an income soon. This would be a perfect time to stay home and get some more stalls built, sand put in the roundpen, new arena put up, and more fencing done but we can't afford all that when I'm not making any money!!! I guess I better look at an in town job. |
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Location: North Dakota | A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! |
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Location: mn | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING!
I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on. |
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Location: North Dakota | northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
The race will go on. I posted this exact thing on my facebook and was messaged to take it down. |
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Location: Kansas | Nateracer - 2014-04-30 8:15 AM I really don't think it's anyones fault. If you have a horse that shows no symptoms AT ALL, how could you possibly know they were spreading it??
Hence the reason to stay home.
Exactly. What I was reading on the University of Minnesota website last night is that almost all horses have the virus in its latent phase but stress activates it and allows them to shed it without showing signs. Scary stuff, even if it has been around forever. This seems to be a new strain of the virus that vets haven't quite figured out yet. I'm so glad everything in eastern Kansas is shut down this weekend and possibly longer so we all have time to learn about the outbreak and what precautions we should be taking when we do start hauling again. I have a call into my vet to discuss what I can do to protect my horses when we hit the road again in a few weeks. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
Messaged by Race for the Roses producers? |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | This is not good. Many horses at Lincoln, then OKC, and now to Guymon slack on Friday. |
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Location: mn | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
Wow. Just wow.
I would like to get mine out this year. Especially when it's in the 70's/80's. So I really do wish there would be no more issues after this race and the ones coming up over the next couple weeks and we can carry on. But clearly this is having the greatest impact on the barrel horses because it is being passed on and spread at these races. Not sure how people aren't concerned and won't bat an eye at throwing their horses into a barn with several others at the moment.
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Location: North Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
Yep. Basically said they cannot afford to cancel it and there is no backup date.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
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Location: North Dakota | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM They are telling you not be posting the truth about what is going on and messaging you to take it down?
I refused to take my post down and probably lost a friend over it. Which is sad really. |
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Location: ND | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
and the risk is very low......and always a possibility....... |
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 8:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING!
Here is what I've got to say.
In 2011, I was personally close to the "cutter" outbreak as most of you may remember. It was one of my best friends that put down the first cutting horse in Bakersfield, Ca.
Yes, it started in Ogden but, it wasn't a cutting horse. As best as they could trace it, it was a non-cutting horse that was stalled at the facility during the cutting show that spread it to the cutters. And the best they could trace that horse was to some where over the Canadian border.
Anyway, at the Bakersfield show the weekend after Ogden was when some of them started showing symptoms. My friend put one of hers down at the show and rushed the other one to UC Davis where he stayed in a sling for months. Some of you may remember me sharing the journey of that infected horse also. Side note for those wondering, that horse is still alive but, still has issues with his rear end and bladder control.
Some cutters did not go to the Bakersfield show after Ogden and went home to many different states including Texas and there were two families that came right back here to my home town.
After they figured out where the first cutter got infected, it spread like wildfire through the cutting community and guess what they did? They took temps, practiced strict bio-security care and
THEY ALL STAYED HOME!!!!!!!
Yes, some people did still rodeo, barrel race, etc....but ALL THE CUTTERS STAYED HOME!!!!
Why? Because they knew it was the best deciscion and it would die out quickly that way. It was being called "The Cutter's Virus" because of how many ended up being infected, which was unfair but, because almost every new case during that time was either a cutting horse or a horse that had been in contact with a cutting horse that had gone to Ogden, that is just how some labeled it.
The Cutters were commended for their discipline to help squash this ugly thing that takes horses without discrimination.
Too bad us Barrel Racers as a whole can't be just as disciplined :(
I've told you all this to say this:
This is now "The Barrel Racer's Virus" and if ALL OF THE BARREL RACERS WOULD STAY HOME!!!! it would die out just like "The Cutter's Virus" did.
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Location: North Dakota | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
I guess I am of a different oppinion. I don't feel the risk is that low when two horses from two different states at the same barrel race that is NOT in the hot zone end up dying. Now put 300 horses all under one roof for 3 days where the majority of the horses are from the hot zone. I wouldn't risk it. |
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| From what I heard from my vet recently was that with this being a Wild strain they arent sure it is being able to be transmitted longer. I got recommended to stay home and stay put because one weekend of barrel racing entry fees lost is alot cheaper than what it would cost if he got sick. She said she is more worried about horses being able to be carriers and shedders longer beacuse of the cold damp weather we have been having. |
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Location: ND | 1left2right - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 8:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! Here is what I've got to say.
In 2011, I was personally close to the "cutter" outbreak as most of you may remember. It was one of my best friends that put down the first cutting horse in Bakersfield, Ca.
Yes, it started in Ogden but, it wasn't a cutting horse. As best as they could trace it, it was a non-cutting horse that was stalled at the facility during the cutting show that spread it to the cutters. And the best they could trace that horse was to some where over the Canadian border.
Anyway, at the Bakersfield show the weekend after Ogden was when some of them started showing symptoms. My friend put one of hers down at the show and rushed the other one to UC Davis where he stayed in a sling for months. Some of you may remember me sharing the journey of that infected horse also. Side note for those wondering, that horse is still alive but, still has issues with his rear end and bladder control.
Some cutters did not go to the Bakersfield show after Ogden and went home to many different states including Texas and there were two families that came right back here to my home town.
After they figured out where the first cutter got infected, it spread like wildfire through the cutting community and guess what they did? They took temps, practiced strict bio-security care and
THEY ALL STAYED HOME!!!!!!!
Yes, some people did still rodeo, barrel race, etc....but ALL THE CUTTERS STAYED HOME!!!!
Why? Because they knew it was the best deciscion and it would die out quickly that way. It was being called "The Cutter's Virus" because of how many ended up being infected, which was unfair but, because almost every new case during that time was either a cutting horse or a horse that had been in contact with a cutting horse that had gone to Ogden, that is just how some labeled it.
The Cutters were commended for their discipline to help squash this ugly thing that takes horses without discrimination.
Too bad us Barrel Racers as a whole can't be just as disciplined :(
I've told you all this to say this:
This is now "The Barrel Racer's Virus" and if ALL OF THE BARREL RACERS WOULD STAY HOME!!!! it would die out just like "The Cutter's Virus" did.
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Location: So. California | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 7:47 AM
CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
Just speechless.... They are putting horses in harms way for a few dollars. Wow, just WOW!!
Everyone needs to stay home for 30 days AFTER the last diagnosed case... Which is 30 days from April 25th...
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Location: mn | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
This is what people keep telling themselves that are chosing to haul right now and this is why we will continue to have issues. |
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Location: ND | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 8:53 AM 1left2right - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 8:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! Here is what I've got to say.
In 2011, I was personally close to the "cutter" outbreak as most of you may remember. It was one of my best friends that put down the first cutting horse in Bakersfield, Ca.
Yes, it started in Ogden but, it wasn't a cutting horse. As best as they could trace it, it was a non-cutting horse that was stalled at the facility during the cutting show that spread it to the cutters. And the best they could trace that horse was to some where over the Canadian border.
Anyway, at the Bakersfield show the weekend after Ogden was when some of them started showing symptoms. My friend put one of hers down at the show and rushed the other one to UC Davis where he stayed in a sling for months. Some of you may remember me sharing the journey of that infected horse also. Side note for those wondering, that horse is still alive but, still has issues with his rear end and bladder control.
Some cutters did not go to the Bakersfield show after Ogden and went home to many different states including Texas and there were two families that came right back here to my home town.
After they figured out where the first cutter got infected, it spread like wildfire through the cutting community and guess what they did? They took temps, practiced strict bio-security care and
THEY ALL STAYED HOME!!!!!!!
Yes, some people did still rodeo, barrel race, etc....but ALL THE CUTTERS STAYED HOME!!!!
Why? Because they knew it was the best deciscion and it would die out quickly that way. It was being called "The Cutter's Virus" because of how many ended up being infected, which was unfair but, because almost every new case during that time was either a cutting horse or a horse that had been in contact with a cutting horse that had gone to Ogden, that is just how some labeled it.
The Cutters were commended for their discipline to help squash this ugly thing that takes horses without discrimination.
Too bad us Barrel Racers as a whole can't be just as disciplined :(
I've told you all this to say this:
This is now "The Barrel Racer's Virus" and if ALL OF THE BARREL RACERS WOULD STAY HOME!!!! it would die out just like "The Cutter's Virus" did.
That it wouldn't die out?
No, it wouldn't actually die out altogether.
Yes, this has been around forever but, when there is an outbreak the only way to stop it is to stop movement and large gatherings of horses.
Will it happen again? Sure but, we can help stop it from getting so wide spread once we find out. |
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Location: mn | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:57 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
This I agree with. Wish this issue would raise awareness to producers as to the time of year they hold events. |
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Location: North Dakota | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:57 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
You don't think 300 horses (many of which have been exposed to this virus already) under one roof during this crappy weather at a 3 day barrel race is conducive to the spread of this? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I think it was Rockinas that mentioned quite a while back that some horses can be shedders for life. Basically a horse can be a carrier or shedder but never get sick? So how do we know we have a shedder? Do they look and act perfectly healthy? If someone has already answered this then I apologize but humor me and repost the answer if you would. |
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Location: North Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 10:02 AM I think it was Rockinas that mentioned quite a while back that some horses can be shedders for life. Basically a horse can be a carrier or shedder but never get sick? So how do we know we have a shedder? Do they look and act perfectly healthy? If someone has already answered this then I apologize but humor me and repost the answer if you would.
I think they can be tested and they will test positive. But vets are not going around testing horses that are not showing signs because many horses may test positive for it but never shed it or have it flare up. I have a friend that has two horses that she knows carries the herpes virus but it has never flared up in either and none of her others have become sick. |
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Location: South Dakota | I just checked out the R4R facebook page, and don't seen any mention of the EHV1 virus at all....This seems really strange...
Are they not allowing posts on their page regarding this virus?
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Location: ND | 1left2right - 2014-04-30 9:59 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 8:53 AM 1left2right - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 8:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! Here is what I've got to say.
In 2011, I was personally close to the "cutter" outbreak as most of you may remember. It was one of my best friends that put down the first cutting horse in Bakersfield, Ca.
Yes, it started in Ogden but, it wasn't a cutting horse. As best as they could trace it, it was a non-cutting horse that was stalled at the facility during the cutting show that spread it to the cutters. And the best they could trace that horse was to some where over the Canadian border.
Anyway, at the Bakersfield show the weekend after Ogden was when some of them started showing symptoms. My friend put one of hers down at the show and rushed the other one to UC Davis where he stayed in a sling for months. Some of you may remember me sharing the journey of that infected horse also. Side note for those wondering, that horse is still alive but, still has issues with his rear end and bladder control.
Some cutters did not go to the Bakersfield show after Ogden and went home to many different states including Texas and there were two families that came right back here to my home town.
After they figured out where the first cutter got infected, it spread like wildfire through the cutting community and guess what they did? They took temps, practiced strict bio-security care and
THEY ALL STAYED HOME!!!!!!!
Yes, some people did still rodeo, barrel race, etc....but ALL THE CUTTERS STAYED HOME!!!!
Why? Because they knew it was the best deciscion and it would die out quickly that way. It was being called "The Cutter's Virus" because of how many ended up being infected, which was unfair but, because almost every new case during that time was either a cutting horse or a horse that had been in contact with a cutting horse that had gone to Ogden, that is just how some labeled it.
The Cutters were commended for their discipline to help squash this ugly thing that takes horses without discrimination.
Too bad us Barrel Racers as a whole can't be just as disciplined :(
I've told you all this to say this:
This is now "The Barrel Racer's Virus" and if ALL OF THE BARREL RACERS WOULD STAY HOME!!!! it would die out just like "The Cutter's Virus" did.
No, it wouldn't actually die out altogether.
Yes, this has been around forever but, when there is an outbreak the only way to stop it is to stop movement and large gatherings of horses.
Will it happen again? Sure but, we can help stop it from getting so wide spread once we find out.
some people read stuff like that and take it like that though........
and this appears to be a new mutation of the virus......
and yes, limiting large close contact gatherings in the suspect population will help |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:06 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 10:02 AM I think it was Rockinas that mentioned quite a while back that some horses can be shedders for life. Basically a horse can be a carrier or shedder but never get sick? So how do we know we have a shedder? Do they look and act perfectly healthy? If someone has already answered this then I apologize but humor me and repost the answer if you would. I think they can be tested and they will test positive. But vets are not going around testing horses that are not showing signs because many horses may test positive for it but never shed it or have it flare up. I have a friend that has two horses that she knows carries the herpes virus but it has never flared up in either and none of her others have become sick.
I would imagine a horse could test positive after being vaccinated? I've also known of horses that carried the herpes virus. One was a stallion in my area. Very weird deal. |
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Location: North Dakota | ridejg - 2014-04-30 10:06 AM I just checked out the R4R facebook page, and don't seen any mention of the EHV1 virus at all....This seems really strange...
Are they not allowing posts on their page regarding this virus?
Seems like they are ignoring the seriousness of the situation....
With the message I got I would say they are trying to avoid any negative info regarding hauling this weekend and what is going on. They feel they are already losing a ton of money and cannot afford to lose any more. I wish Red Horse Ranch would step up and close their facility down again. I'm sure there has to be another weekend they can make work for them. Why can't the two work together to help the horse community? I am just frustrated over the whole ordeal and upset that I may lose a friend over this because I refuse to sweep this under the rug until after this weekend. |
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Location: The edge of no where | OK, I'll admit I haven't taken the time to read this whole thread...I'm sure someone has already figured this out.
How many horses that were at the Bonus Race Finals went to the BBR?
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| Interesting info from KS dept of Ag - http://agriculture.ks.gov/AllNewsItems/2014/04/29/ehv-1-case-confir...
EHV-1 case confirmed in Kansas
TOPEKA, Kan. – The Kansas Department of Agriculture Animal Health Commissioner Dr. Bill Brown today reports that a horse in northeast Kansas has been confirmed positive with a wild type of a non-neurotropic case of Equine Herpes Virus (EHV-1).
The affected horse was euthanized and samples were sent to Kansas State Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory on Friday, April 25. Preliminary tests showed lesions consistent to EHV-1. Additional samples were then sent to the Equine Diagnostics Services in Lexington, Kentucky. Results from a PCR test were received Tuesday afternoon confirming the positive nature of the samples.
This horse had previously been to a large barrel racing event in Lincoln, Nebraska on April 10-13, where in the days following the event, a Wisconsin horse has also been confirmed positive for EHV-1 and euthanized.
Horse owners are encouraged to monitor animals carefully for signs of the disease, including checking temperatures twice a day for changes and implementing good biosecurity practices for an equine facility.
The virus is easily spread by airborne transmission, horse-to-horse contact and by contact with nasal secretions on equipment, tack, feed and other surfaces. Caregivers can spread the virus to other horses if their hands, clothing, shoes or vehicles are contaminated.
Symptoms of the disease may include a fever, nasal discharge, wobbly gait, hind-end weakness and dribbling of urine. The neurological form, including wild strains, of the disease is often fatal.
Due to the nature of this disease, the Kansas Department of Agriculture Division of Animal Health is not imposing any restrictions on equine events or movements at this time, however horse owners are encouraged to take precautionary measures when traveling or participating in equine events. If horse owners are planning on participating in upcoming horse events across Kansas, please call ahead to event planners to confirm if the event is still taking place.
For more information about EHV-1, please contact your local veterinarian.
I guess they are acknowleging that this is an issue ... but aren't directly telling people to stay home. |
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Location: ND | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:01 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:57 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
guess it needs more explanation because i'm not talking about spread......yes, that is conducive to spread......but environmental factors in a big region, mainly due to weather conditions, are what typically make this virus become active .....that's what's a bigger issue to follow.......
and realistically, for all of the barrel/rodeo events that have been held in MN, WI, IA, KS, NE, ND, SD, CO, MT since this outbreak first came to attention, how many horse do you think have participated in just those events and how many have shown up with symptoms from this mutation????????? i suppose we could include all of the horses that the participants are hauled home and exposed to as well......statistically, i'm guessing it's pretty low.....but i'm curious what your numbers are |
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | MS2011 - 2014-04-30 9:12 AM OK, I'll admit I haven't taken the time to read this whole thread...I'm sure someone has already figured this out.
How many horses that were at the Bonus Race Finals went to the BBR?
Would be nice to know, wouldn't it?
All you really need to know is there was at least one. Just like a lottery ticket, it only takes one.
If there are no cases from a horse that competed at BBR in the next 2-3 weeks (I say 3 because of the longer span they say this wild strain has), then all is good. |
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| Just an FYI, our group from NE Kansas that stalled near the WI horse are staying on our farms and diligently taking temps twice a day and will be disinfecting tack, trailers, etc. All events have been cancelled for the next two weeks and we are staying put! Our horses that were at Lincoln are probably past any risk but now we are watching the rest of our herds as well for any signs. We understand the gravity of the situation and how quickly it can get out of control, here's hoping no new cases pop up. |
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Location: North Dakota | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 10:14 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:01 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:57 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
and realistically, for all of the barrel/rodeo events that have been held in MN, WI, IA, KS, NE, ND, SD, CO, MT since this outbreak first came to attention, how many horse do you think have participated in just those events and how many have shown up with symptoms from this mutation????????? i suppose we could include all of the horses that the participants are hauled home and exposed to as well......statistically, i'm guessing it's pretty low.....but i'm curious what your numbers are
Well take all the horses that were at Winona when this first spread, take them home, then to other barrel races, now other horses have been exposed too, then they go home and go to other runs, now more are exposed. MN did a fairly good job of cancelling quite a few runs for a few weeks but during that time the BRF took place and more horses were exposed there, taken home, then on to other races. Now here we are April 30th 4 days after two horses were euthanized due to being infected at a big barrel race with another big barrel race this weekend in the state where this all began. |
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | pnygrl - 2014-04-30 9:19 AM Just an FYI, our group from NE Kansas that stalled near the WI horse are staying on our farms and diligently taking temps twice a day and will be disinfecting tack, trailers, etc. All events have been cancelled for the next two weeks and we are staying put! Our horses that were at Lincoln are probably past any risk but now we are watching the rest of our herds as well for any signs. We understand the gravity of the situation and how quickly it can get out of control, here's hoping no new cases pop up.
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Location: ND | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:20 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 10:14 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:01 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:57 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
and realistically, for all of the barrel/rodeo events that have been held in MN, WI, IA, KS, NE, ND, SD, CO, MT since this outbreak first came to attention, how many horse do you think have participated in just those events and how many have shown up with symptoms from this mutation????????? i suppose we could include all of the horses that the participants are hauled home and exposed to as well......statistically, i'm guessing it's pretty low.....but i'm curious what your numbers are
so, far less than 1%????? |
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Location: South Dakota | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:11 AM ridejg - 2014-04-30 10:06 AM I just checked out the R4R facebook page, and don't seen any mention of the EHV1 virus at all....This seems really strange...
Are they not allowing posts on their page regarding this virus?
Seems like they are ignoring the seriousness of the situation.... With the message I got I would say they are trying to avoid any negative info regarding hauling this weekend and what is going on. They feel they are already losing a ton of money and cannot afford to lose any more. I wish Red Horse Ranch would step up and close their facility down again. I'm sure there has to be another weekend they can make work for them. Why can't the two work together to help the horse community? I am just frustrated over the whole ordeal and upset that I may lose a friend over this because I refuse to sweep this under the rug until after this weekend.
Seems like they are looking at short term gain...rather than the very real threat of long term pain... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | 1left2right - 2014-04-30 10:21 AM pnygrl - 2014-04-30 9:19 AM Just an FYI, our group from NE Kansas that stalled near the WI horse are staying on our farms and diligently taking temps twice a day and will be disinfecting tack, trailers, etc. All events have been cancelled for the next two weeks and we are staying put! Our horses that were at Lincoln are probably past any risk but now we are watching the rest of our herds as well for any signs. We understand the gravity of the situation and how quickly it can get out of control, here's hoping no new cases pop up.
You people are awesome!
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Location: North Dakota | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 10:21 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:20 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 10:14 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:01 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:57 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
and realistically, for all of the barrel/rodeo events that have been held in MN, WI, IA, KS, NE, ND, SD, CO, MT since this outbreak first came to attention, how many horse do you think have participated in just those events and how many have shown up with symptoms from this mutation????????? i suppose we could include all of the horses that the participants are hauled home and exposed to as well......statistically, i'm guessing it's pretty low.....but i'm curious what your numbers are
Possibly 1% chance of a horse getting ill but a much greater chance of the virus being spread which is the big problem. I am not just worried about the health of my own horse but the health of others that may come in contact with this virus when it gets picked up and taken somewhere else. I would rather we all just lie low for awhile and let this burn itself out than take the risk. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 10:21 AM
Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:20 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 10:14 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:01 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:57 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:51 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 9:49 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 9:41 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:29 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-30 9:15 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 9:07 AM A quote from "More and more this is zeroing in on the Barrel horse community . The barrel horse groups need to look at preventative measures."
The leading vet that has been following this outbreak is saying to be proactive. Why is this so hard for people to understand and to follow? The only way to prevent the spread of this is to STOP HAULING! I read this this morning too....wishing it would have an impact. But I think this race will go on.
and realistically, for all of the barrel/rodeo events that have been held in MN, WI, IA, KS, NE, ND, SD, CO, MT since this outbreak first came to attention, how many horse do you think have participated in just those events and how many have shown up with symptoms from this mutation????????? i suppose we could include all of the horses that the participants are hauled home and exposed to as well......statistically, i'm guessing it's pretty low.....but i'm curious what your numbers are
I feel as though you are trying to convince everyone to still haul. While i understand that the percentage of horses that are actually sick versus the ones that are not is a small number this is still something that has been going on for almost 8 weeks. If it hasn't ended yet literally what else is there to do except stop hauling? Honestly if you have any other suggestions of how to get us back down the road without a sickness looming around please do tell us because i think everyone would like to know about it. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ridejg - 2014-04-30 10:23 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:11 AM ridejg - 2014-04-30 10:06 AM I just checked out the R4R facebook page, and don't seen any mention of the EHV1 virus at all....This seems really strange...
Are they not allowing posts on their page regarding this virus?
Seems like they are ignoring the seriousness of the situation.... With the message I got I would say they are trying to avoid any negative info regarding hauling this weekend and what is going on. They feel they are already losing a ton of money and cannot afford to lose any more. I wish Red Horse Ranch would step up and close their facility down again. I'm sure there has to be another weekend they can make work for them. Why can't the two work together to help the horse community? I am just frustrated over the whole ordeal and upset that I may lose a friend over this because I refuse to sweep this under the rug until after this weekend.
That should make people think twice about their events in the future.......... |
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| I agree there next event in south dakota i believe i will NOT be attending. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | NJJ - 2014-04-30 10:28 AM ridejg - 2014-04-30 10:23 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 10:11 AM ridejg - 2014-04-30 10:06 AM I just checked out the R4R facebook page, and don't seen any mention of the EHV1 virus at all....This seems really strange...
Are they not allowing posts on their page regarding this virus?
Seems like they are ignoring the seriousness of the situation.... With the message I got I would say they are trying to avoid any negative info regarding hauling this weekend and what is going on. They feel they are already losing a ton of money and cannot afford to lose any more. I wish Red Horse Ranch would step up and close their facility down again. I'm sure there has to be another weekend they can make work for them. Why can't the two work together to help the horse community? I am just frustrated over the whole ordeal and upset that I may lose a friend over this because I refuse to sweep this under the rug until after this weekend. That should make people think twice about their events in the future..........
Yep. The facility where this is being held is beautiful, excellent pen and ground, stalling, camping, you name it. BUT....I will second guess my choices with this facility and the producer next time around. |
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Location: The edge of no where | 1left2right - 2014-04-30 10:18 AM MS2011 - 2014-04-30 9:12 AM OK, I'll admit I haven't taken the time to read this whole thread...I'm sure someone has already figured this out.
How many horses that were at the Bonus Race Finals went to the BBR?
Would be nice to know, wouldn't it?
All you really need to know is there was at least one. Just like a lottery ticket, it only takes one.
If there are no cases from a horse that competed at BBR in the next 2-3 weeks (I say 3 because of the longer span they say this wild strain has), then all is good.
ARGH! I've been stuck at home for 3 weeks and really ready to start hauling. I could see this getting spread to several other states thru those 2 events......I know people from all over went especially to the BBR, and LOTS of them were from my area. Seems like they should be able to assemble a cross list....any computer nerds want a project? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 10:32 AM I agree there next event in south dakota i believe i will NOT be attending.
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | the gingerbread man - 2014-04-29 11:24 AM
rodeowithjoker - 2014-04-29 1:03 PM LabRat - 2014-04-29 12:53 PM Not happy with the producers who chose not to postpone. "The show must go on" attitude is quite irresponsible. But ultimately it's the competitor's decision to enter or not. And if several are choosing to turn-out, why wouldn't the producers decide to postpone and possibly have a better turnout later in the year? Doesn't make sense to me. Last time this was going around, I was told (and I can't say how reliable that information is) that KS NBHA was going to be stuck paying for the facility that weekend even if no horses showed up. (I looked at results from 2011 online today and there were probably 40 of the nearly 300 entered who scratched and stayed home) It was a bad deal and I didn't envy the state director at all having to make that decision. She was pretty much in a no-win situation, like she will be this year again. Fees were due April 11th, so everyone who entered & then went to Lincoln probably dropped the check in the mail on their way out the driveway like I did, and now we're all going to have to make decisions about whether we go or not after the money is spent.
I wish someone would enforce a rule like that now, today! No into state or out of state hauling. I competed last week here in town and I'm hoping to God nothing shows up from here. I'm going out of state next week but my horses sure aren't. IMO, people are stubborn about staying home now. 'Show must go on' should be saved for a theater stage. Just my rambling thoughts. |
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Location: North Dakota | The facility is top notch and the producers of this run are such a nice family that have done wonderful things for the barrel community around MN and are loved by many but I just cannot wrap my head around the idea of being hush hush until after this run is over with. |
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Location: PNW | If this was an outbreak of something deadly to HUMANS, would this even be a debate? It isn't any different - the only way to stop an outbreak is quarantine. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | MS2011 - 2014-04-30 10:12 AM OK, I'll admit I haven't taken the time to read this whole thread...I'm sure someone has already figured this out.
How many horses that were at the Bonus Race Finals went to the BBR?
Several
And they are entered at Guymon PRCA rodeo Friday with horses coming in from all over. Over 150 rodeo horses traveling all over the US.
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Location: ND | svincent - 2014-04-30 10:42 AM If this was an outbreak of something deadly to HUMANS, would this even be a debate? It isn't any different - the only way to stop an outbreak is quarantine.
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Location: Oklahoma | Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I posted on the R2R page on FB, and I think one or two others did as well, but I am surprised nobody else bothered. The civilized way to get them to move the date back is to post your sentiments in the open on their page.
This virus is extremely common and most horses have been exposed by the time they are youngsters. There are 9 types of this virus but only 3 cause significant disease. Horses exposed will develop antibodies that are detectable in the lab, but the problem is that small changes in their makeup occur when they mutate and develop different strains....something that happens in nature all the time. Many of these recent cases with neurologic symptoms are showing up in horses that are testing negative for the "neuropathic strain" and my understanding is that this is what has been so puzzling.
I see a lot of misunderstanding out there being bantered about regarding the incubation period. Here's my understanding - a horse is exposed to the virus under conditions that favor the virus to proliferate. If that horse is one of the few who is going to go on and get the neuro form, there is a 4-6 day incubation period, which is not necessarily very obvious unless you are looking for it. It might get a snotty nose, appear a tad sluggish, and have a low grade fever. We all have horses that get snotty noses from time to time, but most of us don't run around taking their temps. AFTER that, if the neurologic symptoms may not appear for another 12 days. I wouldn't get too locked on to these estimates on incubation periods, etc... They are basically a "range" and it wouldn't be at all unusual to see horses come down with this say 3 weeks after "exposure". The virus itself tends to express itself in disease form during cooler, wetter months. Many viruses are seasonal that way for reasons not entirely clear. As everyone has been saying, humans may transmit this bug via contact....clothes, tools, tack, water buckets, etc...
I suppose even a farrier or vet could theoretically transmit the virus.
In humans a good, similar example is seen with "Cytomegalovirus" which is a herpes virus. It is a very common virus. In fact, 3 out of 4 people you meet walking down the street are seropositive for this virus, meaning they have been infected. Most CMV infections are manifest by simple cold or flu-like symptoms, and almost all are mild. Some develop symptoms like what you see when you get infectious mono, which everyone has heard about. Most blood we transfuse, for instance is positive for this virus. In other words, for the vast majority of people the CMV virus, like other typical herpes viruses, are commensals.....they just are along for the ride and cause no harm.
IF however, a person develops a suppressed immune system, such as after a bone marrow transplant, an organ transplant, or during cancer chemotherapy, that virus in certain individuals can become very virulent and deadly. We aren't entirely sure why it only attacks certain individuals, but when it does the mortality is very high. In transplantation, if we have an organ recipient who is awaiting transplant and happens to be seronegative for CMV, we can minimize risk of transmission by only transplanting organs from a sero negative donor and transfusions of sero negative blood. People who are positive for CMV, like most of us, do not "shed" the virus, typically, unless they themselves are sick with it.
I guess the bottom line with this situation is we have to be smart. These outbreaks are cropping up after shows where these horses have been in relatively close quarters. We cannot control every manifestation of this disease, but we can take steps to minimize the risks and those steps are common sensical and don't cost anything. Right now one thing we should be banking on is the warmer weather which hopefully will cause this disease to dwindle. Before that happens, we should all just be patient and play it smart.
What's the risk in that? Chances are if we haul to one of thse jackpots we will get away with it....but that's all it is...."getting away with it." I don't know about you folks, but I don't like the sound of that.
If any of you want to make a difference, then get out there and express your opinions on places like FB. I went there and said my two cents.....so can you. Make a few phone calls. Get your vet's opinion and relay that info. My vet tells me to just hunker down a while longer. Let mother nature take care of this with some sunshine and warmer dry weather. Hell, we are still seeing snow, rain, and freezing temps up here. Hopefully, help is on the way. |
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| Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots.
Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints. |
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Location: PNW | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 10:57 AM
svincent - 2014-04-30 10:42 AM If this was an outbreak of something deadly to HUMANS, would this even be a debate? It isn't any different - the only way to stop an outbreak is quarantine.
like influenza????
No. Not like influenza. Influenza is most dangerous to elderly, infants, and those with compromised immune systems. EHV is completely non-discriminatory in who it infects - age, gender, breed, or otherwise.
ETA: since I'm sure you'll nitpick this. Influenza will work. If your kid has the flu, but he already has a birthday party planned - you've bought the food, games, etc.... Do you not tell your guests and let then come and be exposed along with their children? Do you cancel altogether? Do you reschedule for when people are healthy and recovered?
Either situation: horses or people - temporary quarantine is the best way to stop the spread.
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Location: North Dakota | Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
I think there was a lot of concern about getting events cancelled before the BRF. At least up here there was. Most events were cancelled during that month but in the middle of that month the BRF took place. I think the big concern is we now for sure know it is in the barrel horse community and it has spread outside of what was once just mostly horses that had ties to MN. It was taken to a big barrel race by a barrel horse and this we KNOW. It is not speculation anymore because two horses from two different states all in the same stall alley got it. I think before the BRF people were getting this false sense of security that it was pretty isolated and was dying down and now we know that is not the case. |
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Location: stalking Gail... | Frenchie - 2014-04-30 10:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
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Location: ND | svincent - 2014-04-30 11:23 AM
dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 10:57 AM
svincent - 2014-04-30 10:42 AM If this was an outbreak of something deadly to HUMANS, would this even be a debate? It isn't any different - the only way to stop an outbreak is quarantine.
like influenza????
No. Not like influenza. Influenza is most dangerous to elderly, infants, and those with compromised immune systems. EHV is completely non-discriminatory in who it infects - age, gender, breed, or otherwise.
ETA: since I'm sure you'll nitpick this. Influenza will work. If your kid has the flu, but he already has a birthday party planned - you've bought the food, games, etc.... Do you not tell your guests and let then come and be exposed along with their children? Do you cancel altogether? Do you reschedule for when people are healthy and recovered?
Either situation: horses or people - temporary quarantine is the best way to stop the spread.
you weren't talking about what cohort it infects....you specifically mentioned how 'deadly' it is...... the point is that influenza's morbidity/mortality is a far higher percentage of those infected than EHV-1......so then tell me, how does the debate go in humans??? |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
You put that better than I was able to. I'm up near the hotzone so have kept good track. There was concerns and questions prior to the BRF, its just frustrating to see the way they are being asked and the attitude with them at this point regarding a different event that most weren't entered in.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind. |
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Location: ND | lol...yes...i did nit pick it......and not arguing about ways to stop spread.....but......do those with b-days during flu or rsv season not have b-day parties, to limit exposure????? seems to me i haven't seen someone do that??? |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 11:33 AM
lol...yes...i did nit pick it......and not arguing about ways to stop spread.....but......do those with b-days during flu or rsv season not have b-day parties, to limit exposure????? seems to me i haven't seen someone do that???
Last I checked this was about he EQUINE virus not to squabble over something that is related to humans. Come on if you guys are going to nit pick over something that is not equine related in this thread and is about not traveling to birthday parties. please either start another thread or pm each other. |
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Location: North Dakota | Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
Oh I agree! I feel for everyone that has a hard choice to make whether it be someone who has $70 to $600 in entry fees or a producer that has $10k invested plus many other things. This is just a horrible situation for everyone. I have said over and over I will not judge those that do decide to go because they have entry fees they will not get back. I cannot judge because I made the choice long ago to not pre-enter so I don't have any $$$ invested so of course my choice is easy. I cannot say for sure what I would do if I had hundreds of dollars in entry fees involved. I do however think that R4R and RHR could work together to get another date worked out and they could make the run even bigger and better. I think that would be respectful to all barrel racers that have concerns. |
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Location: PNW | dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 11:33 AM
lol...yes...i did nit pick it......and not arguing about ways to stop spread.....but......do those with b-days during flu or rsv season not have b-day parties, to limit exposure????? seems to me i haven't seen someone do that???
You're a pain. In the same way my husband is.... You both nitpick and make me have to think too hard, too early in the day. :)
So I'll answer this instead of your other question because this isn't going to drag us into tiny circles :)
My son's birthday is in November (he's 18 months now). When he was four months old, we went to a neighbor kid's birthday party, when we showed up the first thing we noticed was a bunch of snotty-nosed children. Because my son was born 4 weeks premature with a heart condition (in the middle of yuck season) we had been extra cautious where we took him and had made sure to call the hosts and double check that nobody that was going to be there had been sick recently or was actively sick. We left as soon as we could without making a stink - and five days later were admitted to the hospital for RSV, and remained there for 5 days. I called the host and asked why she hadn't mentioned THAT HER KIDS WERE SICK, and she said "oh it's just a little cold."
Should birthdays be banned during yuck season? No. Should people use some common sense and exercise some social decency? Yes. If your kid is sick, don't tell me he's healthy and invite me and mine over. If my kid is sick, I won't come to your house. If your kid is sick, please don't come to mine.
Happy Wednesday DHD!
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Location: PNW | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 11:38 AM
dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 11:33 AM
lol...yes...i did nit pick it......and not arguing about ways to stop spread.....but......do those with b-days during flu or rsv season not have b-day parties, to limit exposure????? seems to me i haven't seen someone do that???
Last I checked this was about he EQUINE virus not to squabble over something that is related to humans. Come on if you guys are going to nit pick over something that is not equine related in this thread and is about not traveling to birthday parties. please either start another thread or pm each other.
We ARE talking about spread/continuation of the outbreak. This was in response to me asking "if this was a human issue, would people still be up in the air about quarantine. And then DHD asked a follow-up question. We didn't high jack the thread for goodness sake - there are like six different convos happening between people in this thread - ours was discussing the human/horse relationship and since we don't barrel race our children, I used the example of a birthday party. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
Just for conversation....it is NOT just the R4R but the Big J in Waterloo, IA that is digging it's heels in and not postponing or letting people out of the entries. I don't think so many people would be "up in arms" IF the producers would let people out with minimal costs to the contestant. |
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Location: North Dakota | NJJ - 2014-04-30 11:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
Yes. I just always bring up R4R since I personally know almost everyone entered and the producers. |
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Location: Kansas | This is a 100% serious question.....what are the symptoms linked to EHV-1???
My best friends mare is having issues currently, but no fever, almost like she "isn't here" acts out of it, slow respirations, and a racing heart beat, and only slight nasal discharge. Vet tubed her, banamine, everything but won't come out of it......vet doesn't know what it is. |
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Location: PNW | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-04-30 11:53 AM
This is a 100% serious question.....what are the symptoms linked to EHV-1???
My best friends mare is having issues currently, but no fever, almost like she "isn't here" acts out of it, slow respirations, and a racing heart beat, and only slight nasal discharge. Vet tubed her, banamine, everything but won't come out of it......vet doesn't know what it is.
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| NJJ - 2014-04-30 11:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
I find it terribly disappointing that producers aren't applauding people and offering refunds to those who are choosing not to go to their events after they might have been exposed. |
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| After speaking with the owners of the most recent ND case, I knowtheir horse appeared normal until it started displaying neurological symptoms. The horse did not come in for its grain and was unable to walk without assistance.
To the best of my recollection ( I wasn't exactly taking notes during the conversation) the horse did have a fever.
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Location: Here | hoofs_in_motion - 2014-04-30 11:53 AM This is a 100% serious question.....what are the symptoms linked to EHV-1???
My best friends mare is having issues currently, but no fever, almost like she "isn't here" acts out of it, slow respirations, and a racing heart beat, and only slight nasal discharge. Vet tubed her, banamine, everything but won't come out of it......vet doesn't know what it is.
Dr. Keith Roehr, Colorado State Veterinarian, continues to encourage horse owners to practice good biosecurity to limit the risk of EHM. An excellent resource regarding EHM can be found in USDA’s brochure: Equine Herpesvirus (EHV) Myeloencephalopathy. http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahss/equine/ehv/equine_herpesvirus_brochure_2009.pdf
Important recommendations for horse owners:
• Contact your veterinarian if your horse has a fever or is showing signs of illness
• Limit horse-to-horse contact at equine events
• Best biosecurity practice on returning home from an equine event is to isolate and take temperatures on the participating horses for 7 days
• EHV-1 can by spread on tack, grooming equipment, feed/water buckets, and people’s hands or clothing – do not share among horses or clean properly between use
• Biosecurity strategies can be found in USDA’s brochure: Biosecurity – The Key to Keeping Your Horses Healthy http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publications/animal_health/2011/bro_keep_horses_healthy.pdf |
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Location: stalking Gail... | Nateracer - 2014-04-30 10:55 AM NJJ - 2014-04-30 11:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
And Mother Nature has not been helping in getting rid of this virus. We have not had the warm dry weather needed to help erradicate this virus. It is still cold and wet up in the this part of the country with no end in site.
It is to bad the warnings were not taken more seriously a month ago by these big barrel events and their producers. They chose to downplay it because the virus was only effecting the states of MN and WI...and swept it under the rug. It is nice they are now stepping up and getting the word out...a little to late for those that had horses affected...
And yes...people can use the excuse that they have to much money tied up in EFs, stall fees, etc...blame the producers becasue they will not refund your fees (even partial)...but really...is it worth it...
The bottom line question...do you want to play russian roulette with your horse? if the answer is yes...enter up. if the answer is no...stay home and hug your horse.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 11:58 AM Agreed to this, I agree that many people would be fine paying an office fee or even another "processing" fee if they could get the majority of their money back. I would think about more what happens for the years to come because people will not come because of how things were handled this year.
^^^^ THIS……it would certainly make my decision easier in the future as to which Producers were more interested in their OWN “bottomline” than in the health and welfare of the equine industry. IF they CAN’T or WON’T postpone, they could, at the very least, let the contestants “choose” to attend by letting them out of the entries with minimal costs…..it is the DECENT thing to do! |
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Location: North Dakota | NJJ - 2014-04-30 12:14 PM EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 11:58 AM Agreed to this, I agree that many people would be fine paying an office fee or even another "processing" fee if they could get the majority of their money back. I would think about more what happens for the years to come because people will not come because of how things were handled this year. ^^^^ THIS……it would certainly make my decision easier in the future as to which Producers were more interested in their OWN “bottomline” than in the health and welfare of the equine industry. IF they CAN’T or WON’T postpone, they could, at the very least, let the contestants “choose” to attend by letting them out of the entries with minimal costs…..it is the DECENT thing to do!
I had a clinic scheduled for March that I had to cancel so I lost money out of my own pocket PLUS lost the potential income of the clinic but I did not want to risk any horses. I made the choice easy for those that were signed up. |
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Location: North Dakota | Here is a quote from RHR back on March 31st.
"We, along with the Central Minnesota Team Penning Association, have decided to cancel the upcoming penning scheduled for April 5-6 due to the newest confirmed cases of EHV-1. Again, this is purely a precautionary measure and is NOT due to any issues with horses that are or have been to Red Horse. We would ask that everyone take the proper precautions and stay put with your horses until this threat passes. If we all cooperate in this manner, the threat will go away quicker. Thank you for your cooperation."
So how come the change in attitude now? Also this facility is not just an event facility. It is a boarding facility as well. Not only are they putting horses of owners that are making the choice to go at risk but the horses of owners that have no choice. I think their TOP priority should be the health of the horses that are boarded there.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Dhdqhllc brings up a very important point here with the comparison of human influenza and this EHV-1 virus. The answer is pretty simple. Obviously, in humans we recommend all those things that minimize risk. One big difference is that in humans, vaccines do lessen risk substantially, but it's definitely not a 100% effective measure. Flu vaccines probably absolutely protect about 2/3rds of those vaccinated - or so it is said. Of the remaining 1/3rd, they tend to get milder forms of influenza, so the vaccine affords at least partial protection, and lessens the chances of the deadly manifestations. I guess you could say the immune system is "primed" to combat the flu in those cases. There is a lot out there about influenza vaccines not reducing the mortality risk, compared to unvaccinated people, but if you look carefully at reputable studies published in reputable literature/journals, I think the weight of evidence supports that influenza vaccines do make a positive significant difference. Other than that, we tell people to take common sense precautions.....hand washing, avoidance of sick individuals, good rest and nutrition, even the correct way to cover your mouth when sneezing and coughing, and even avoiding crowded areas if possible. While that latter obviously isn't always practical, I would still recommend people, especially elderly, to avoid crowded areas if possible.
With this EHV-1 similar recommendations are made. The big difference is that vaccines don't appear to directly effect the disease, except that it supposedly reduces the viral "shedding" by horses who carry it and are vaccinated.
Like I said, we will hopefully see the one most effective measure soon come into play......warm weather and good ole mother nature. Until then, I think if you want to absolutely minimize risk, you stay home, vaccinate, and urge others to follow your lead. |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 4:26 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-04-29 6:16 PM I didn't realize they have a backup date for the R2R. I guess I can't understand why they don't play it safe and move the race back, if that's the case. After all I've been saying about this virus, I would be a hypocrite to turn around and go. I'm staying home.
Good choice Scott. I hope they pull their heads out of their butts and at least refund those that choose to stay home.
I will not be entering the Prospectors Challenge either if they do not want to take our horse's health into consideration.
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| jlm65 - 2014-04-30 12:12 PM Nateracer - 2014-04-30 10:55 AM NJJ - 2014-04-30 11:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
It is to bad the warnings were not taken more seriously a month ago by these big barrel events and their producers. They chose to downplay it because the virus was only effecting the states of MN and WI...and swept it under the rug. It is nice they are now stepping up and getting the word out...a little to late for those that had horses affected...
And yes...people can use the excuse that they have to much money tied up in EFs, stall fees, etc...blame the producers becasue they will not refund your fees (even partial)...but really...is it worth it...
The bottom line question...do you want to play russian roulette with your horse? if the answer is yes...enter up. if the answer is no...stay home and hug your horse.
My entries were due the week after Bonus. This was 4-5 days before the 1st horse was Euthanized, much less the 2nd. I probably wouldn't have entered if I had known prior to the due date. |
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Location: ND | EmtRoper - 2014-04-30 11:38 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-30 11:33 AM lol...yes...i did nit pick it......and not arguing about ways to stop spread.....but......do those with b-days during flu or rsv season not have b-day parties, to limit exposure????? seems to me i haven't seen someone do that??? Last I checked this was about he EQUINE virus not to squabble over something that is related to humans. Come on if you guys are going to nit pick over something that is not equine related in this thread and is about not traveling to birthday parties. please either start another thread or pm each other.
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Location: ND | my kids would love to be stalled at a big arena and barrel raced.....dang horse kids.......i suppose that should make this more relevant then, right?????
by the way....happy wednesday!!!!!!
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| I don't have a horse in this fight, but I don't know how people can blame the producer, it costs a lot of money to put on a high caliber show, years of planning, money in advertising, programs, the commitment of help, etc. it is not that simple to cancel, refund, or schedule a different date.
People need to take ownership of your own actions.
Anytime I enter an event, I know there is a chance I may not be able to attend, it could be horse issues, family, truck, my own health, etc. once I write the check, I know that money is gone whether or not I attend, the money is out of my account.
There is no guarantee that an individual will make money, so if you cannot afford to pay the fee and forfeit, then maybe you shouldn't be barrel racing.
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM
Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots.
Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
I honestly think that the difference between the cases that happened before and this new one at the BRF is just the amount of horses that were there and the possibility of it spreading.
When it was just in mn it was a much smaller group of horses that it effected because there were a lot less horses there. And the horses that were there were pretty much from the same general area. So it stays a little more isolated.
The difference between that time and at the BRF is that there were a ton more horses from all over there. Before it was just in MN and WI mostly, but now that's not the case. There was the one in Kansas and who knows how many more it could effect with all of these horses from all over. The races before were smaller more local races, so the horses that got infected and could get infected, were a smaller amount.
With these big races people haul in from all over, which means that it has the possibility of spreading farther. That's why there is so much more of an uproar over this time than the last time, because so many more horses from all over could be infected.
And I know that it maybe is small amount that shows symptoms, but what if your horse was that 1%? Or, not even that, what if it was your best friends horse, or a 12 year old kids first horse?
I think people were just hoping or assuming or whatever that it would be safe to haul to the BRF because it is such a big race and everyone wanted to go. But then when horses did get sick there, it kind of hit people that it really is a big deal and that even though they might take precautions, its not always enough. That's why people are getting more upset over the R4R, because now more people might be starting to see that the only way to put an end to it is to not haul, and when they already entered for it thinking it would have blown over by now, they aren't being given the option to back out and get any sort of refund. |
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Location: stalking Gail... | cheryl makofka - 2014-04-30 11:31 AM I don't have a horse in this fight, but I don't know how people can blame the producer, it costs a lot of money to put on a high caliber show, years of planning, money in advertising, programs, the commitment of help, etc. it is not that simple to cancel, refund, or schedule a different date. People need to take ownership of your own actions. Anytime I enter an event, I know there is a chance I may not be able to attend, it could be horse issues, family, truck, my own health, etc. once I write the check, I know that money is gone whether or not I attend, the money is out of my account. There is no guarantee that an individual will make money, so if you cannot afford to pay the fee and forfeit, then maybe you shouldn't be barrel racing. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to attend, if people are concerned stay home and quit worrying about what other people are doing.
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 3:36 PM svincent - 2014-04-29 4:30 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:15 PM Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless. Ditto. There were some BIG races rescheduled. It makes it even a more compounded problem that many horses went straight from BRF to the BBR without much chance to show any symptoms (if they were going to be symtomatic at all ). So now, there've been TWO huge races that have been cross-contaminated. And people are STILL talking about hauling out to a race? Entry fees be ****ed - it'd cost a lot more to have that much vet care or God forbid you had to replace a horse. And also, not all owners are as honest as BarrelsandBabies - if for no other reason than fear of judgment from other riders. I'm glad I don't have to make these choices, because I'm pregnant and can't run anyways. But in 2011, I sure did make these choices and I stayed home and ate the few entry fees that weren't refunded, and went to the rescheduled races that I could make later that summer.
Everyone seems to forget that putting on events is a business. If you don't want to go - don't go - but all this name calling (not this poster, on the whole thread) is ridiculous IMO.
People are running businesses, not running for a ribbon. Event producers are thousands into their events by the time this type of thing rolls around. I would say yes, if they can reschedule, for sure, if they don't, they don't.
You are trying to tie their hands like BHW Occupiers ( ;) ) to get them to do what you think is right. I would venture to say that many of them lost money the last time this thing went down and they can't afford to do that again.
Also, your horse can get anything, at any time, every time you travel. And there are a TON of people that are still not on the internet or don't spend hours reading BHW or FB. We have no confirmed cases in Colo. for example and races are going on, who knows if you are next to someone that came from somewhere else, that's the same threat you take every time you sit by someone on an airplaine. How do you know if they are carrying ebola?
I think some of you - no offense - tend to go bat shiz crazy over fear and think everyone needs to get in line behind you. I'm not at the same level as some of you, but I"m not about to judge someone for going, it's their horse. |
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| NJJ - 2014-04-30 10:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
Lost money.
They have a purse and they have put a certain amount of money as being available, if they refund it all, they have nothing to pay those that did show.
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Location: Texas! | I'm sure this has been answered on here but how long after being at the bonus race should you be concerned about your own horse showing symptoms? I know they say at 30 days past last confirmed case but that doesn't make much sense to me. There should be an incubation period from exposure at Lincoln correct? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I can totally see how it's hard for producers to cancel events under these circumstances. It's costly as hell. That, plus they can come up with a lot of remarks that are true that support going ahead with the show. In the case of the R4R, though, I don't understand, because they have an alternate weekend set aside in case this event needed to be rescheduled. In fact, I would say that if they move it back, the turnout will probably be a lot better, so they would make more as well.
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| smiley - 2014-04-30 12:44 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 3:36 PM svincent - 2014-04-29 4:30 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:15 PM Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless. Ditto. There were some BIG races rescheduled. It makes it even a more compounded problem that many horses went straight from BRF to the BBR without much chance to show any symptoms (if they were going to be symtomatic at all ). So now, there've been TWO huge races that have been cross-contaminated. And people are STILL talking about hauling out to a race? Entry fees be ****ed - it'd cost a lot more to have that much vet care or God forbid you had to replace a horse. And also, not all owners are as honest as BarrelsandBabies - if for no other reason than fear of judgment from other riders. I'm glad I don't have to make these choices, because I'm pregnant and can't run anyways. But in 2011, I sure did make these choices and I stayed home and ate the few entry fees that weren't refunded, and went to the rescheduled races that I could make later that summer.
People are running businesses, not running for a ribbon. Event producers are thousands into their events by the time this type of thing rolls around. I would say yes, if they can reschedule, for sure, if they don't, they don't.
You are trying to tie their hands like BHW Occupiers ( ;) ) to get them to do what you think is right. I would venture to say that many of them lost money the last time this thing went down and they can't afford to do that again.
Also, your horse can get anything, at any time, every time you travel. And there are a TON of people that are still not on the internet or don't spend hours reading BHW or FB. We have no confirmed cases in Colo. for example and races are going on, who knows if you are next to someone that came from somewhere else, that's the same threat you take every time you sit by someone on an airplaine. How do you know if they are carrying ebola?
I think some of you - no offense - tend to go bat shiz crazy over fear and think everyone needs to get in line behind you. I'm not at the same level as some of you, but I"m not about to judge someone for going, it's their horse.
Very blunt. But I kind of like it!
I'm not pointing fingers at produceres or those who go/don't go. Its your call to make those decisions. We can look at safety of BRF vs these upcoming events til we are blue in the face. Whether its in a hot zone with no cases for an extended period or an event where infected horses may be we all made and will make choices. I'm not a vet or researcher, just asking that we use some common sense and not throw gas on the fire by telling others what they should do or should have done. We lost hundreds of dollars on two of these events, others will lose far more and a unfortunate few lost good horses. Please just take a hard look at what you type before you post. Whether its $61000 or whatever was at BRF or $1500 at Red Horse, or even a $5 jackpot the question is always the same, Do I and my vet feel safe?
If you choose yes then fine, if you choose no then fine but don't choose its ok in your case but not in others.
This wouldn't be so frustrating if we weren't all so invested financially, personally and emotionally. I won't go to Red Horse and didn't go to BRF but you can bet I cheered on my friends who did and will sure do so again. God bless the producers who are dealing with this. With all the science and unknowns out there they must be stealing their horses ulcerguard just to get through the day.
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | cheryl makofka - 2014-04-30 12:31 PM
I don't have a horse in this fight, but I don't know how people can blame the producer, it costs a lot of money to put on a high caliber show, years of planning, money in advertising, programs, the commitment of help, etc. it is not that simple to cancel, refund, or schedule a different date.
People need to take ownership of your own actions.
Anytime I enter an event, I know there is a chance I may not be able to attend, it could be horse issues, family, truck, my own health, etc. once I write the check, I know that money is gone whether or not I attend, the money is out of my account.
There is no guarantee that an individual will make money, so if you cannot afford to pay the fee and forfeit, then maybe you shouldn't be barrel racing.
No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to attend, if people are concerned stay home and quit worrying about what other people are doing.
I agree....If you cant afford to just pay the fee you shouldn't be running.
I go to so many races where I knock or just don't place...and that entry fee money isn't a big deal. So this should be the same way.
At the very least, look on the positive side and think about all the gas money you can save.
The only reason im worried about what other people are doing is that in the long run it COULD affect my season a great deal. Even though im staying at home and not hauling anywhere, if this keeps happening, this could go on for more than another month. And then I wont be running until July. So it maybe doesn't directly affect my horses right now, but if some people are hauling while im staying home the same thing that happened this last weekend can happen again. The people who stayed home will be given the okay to run again, and go out, and then they might come in contact with a horse who didn't stay home and is carrying EHV around. So then the whole cycle starts again.
So I do care what other people are doing because in the long run, it could very much affect me and my horses.
Of course this is a worse case scenario. But I don't have money to just drop on a huge vet bill or on buying a new barrel horse because mine gets sick.
Its kinda like driving, I can make sure im doing everything right and being safe, but if all the other people on the road aren't too, theres a good chance theres going to be an accident. That's why we encourage everyone to be careful and do things right. The same applies here. You have to watch out for your own horses, but also for others...theres just as much responsibility that comes with being a horse owner as there is with driving a car. You look out for yourself, but also for others. |
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Location: PNW | smiley - 2014-04-30 12:49 PM
NJJ - 2014-04-30 10:50 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:43 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:32 AM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 11:26 AM Frenchie - 2014-04-30 11:14 AM Horse-racin - 2014-04-30 11:02 AM Just to be clear --- should we stay home from local jackpots that ARE NOT overnight stalled races -races that we just haul in, run and leave? I completely understand about hauling and stalling for several days but want to be clear on the local jackpots. Talk to YOUR vet or a state vet. Don't take social media advice on things of this magnitude. I posted a link to the UC Davis webinar last night and it had some very, very good information that was backed by strong scientific data. Don't assume someone on FB or BHW knows better.
I am all for bio security and we have made some choices including staying home from BRF and the R4R. I am not pointing fingers at those who went, its their choice and for the VAST majority it seems a safe choice.
This is beside the topics of the above paragraphs and I won't be a poplular statement but there certainly wasn't his outrage before the BRF. The virus was just as prevalent then, the timeline if anything was more suspect at that point. Now fewer people have less money on the line and there is a massive outcry to cancel or not go. Lets be fair here, everything stayed civil at that time. Like it or not we ALL have a dog in the fight with all these events and what could come of them. Just because your entry check isn't sitting at RHR don't think others aren't invested financially, emotionally in this deal. Again, not pointing at any certain post and I've pulled horses from both events, just a little frustrated that a huge event earlier didn't get near this level heat and now that its a smaller crowd involved in the current debated event the convo has gotten so hot. Do I agree that maybe postponement would be best ? YOU BET I DO. But I don't agree with people who were ok with hauling when the case suited them later going public against those who are looking at doing exactly the same thing. Just asking everyone to remember these decisions aren't easy, info, even from vets is conflicting and their are a million different viewpoints.
Possibly its just being touchy on it after so much frustration. Just asking everyone to look at the big picture, be careful and keep in mind everyone is invested in different things in different areas so please, voice opinions in a way that doesn't add to this stress.
Basically just asking people to keep in mind that not being entered in an event (this weekends or others) makes it much easier to say cancel, don't go, postpone but there are those who DO have to make that choice and it will be a difficult one so keep that in mind.
They have a purse and they have put a certain amount of money as being available, if they refund it all, they have nothing to pay those that did show.
That's what I'm thinking anyway.
If they advertise $xxxx.xx added - that means it came from sponsors - contestant entry fees are ON TOP of this amount. Most people are not asking for a 100% refund anyways - they just want a partial refund or reschedule. |
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Location: North Dakota | smiley - 2014-04-30 12:44 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-29 3:36 PM svincent - 2014-04-29 4:30 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-04-29 4:15 PM Again, we got this stopped in the 5 western states effected in 2011 rather quickly because everyone stayed HOME as soon as the outbreak was evident and producers cancelled/postponed their events. We got it stopped, and 6 weeks from the first it started we were all back to racing and showing safely. I find it incredably IRRISPONSABLE for people to keep hauling and producers holding their shows and not allowing refunds or vet outs. Shame on them! At the very least, they should move their show date and roll those entries to the postponed date. If the horse industry cant monitor themselves and be responsable, the govt. will do it for us and many many more horses are at risk that is needless. Ditto. There were some BIG races rescheduled. It makes it even a more compounded problem that many horses went straight from BRF to the BBR without much chance to show any symptoms (if they were going to be symtomatic at all ). So now, there've been TWO huge races that have been cross-contaminated. And people are STILL talking about hauling out to a race? Entry fees be ****ed - it'd cost a lot more to have that much vet care or God forbid you had to replace a horse. And also, not all owners are as honest as BarrelsandBabies - if for no other reason than fear of judgment from other riders. I'm glad I don't have to make these choices, because I'm pregnant and can't run anyways. But in 2011, I sure did make these choices and I stayed home and ate the few entry fees that weren't refunded, and went to the rescheduled races that I could make later that summer.
People are running businesses, not running for a ribbon. Event producers are thousands into their events by the time this type of thing rolls around. I would say yes, if they can reschedule, for sure, if they don't, they don't.
You are trying to tie their hands like BHW Occupiers ( ;) ) to get them to do what you think is right. I would venture to say that many of them lost money the last time this thing went down and they can't afford to do that again.
Also, your horse can get anything, at any time, every time you travel. And there are a TON of people that are still not on the internet or don't spend hours reading BHW or FB. We have no confirmed cases in Colo. for example and races are going on, who knows if you are next to someone that came from somewhere else, that's the same threat you take every time you sit by someone on an airplaine. How do you know if they are carrying ebola?
I think some of you - no offense - tend to go bat shiz crazy over fear and think everyone needs to get in line behind you. I'm not at the same level as some of you, but I"m not about to judge someone for going, it's their horse.
I have a business as well that I cannot continue on with until this stuff dies down which will not happen unless people quit hauling. I am losing money every single day I do not have a horse in my barn for training. I cancelled a clinic and had to eat the cost. We all make sacrifices. I do not know the circumstance as to whether or not the event facility can in no way give them a different weekend or what but I think if at all possible postponing it would be the best decision. I know of other producers that postponed their large events so it can be done. I am not saying it is easy! But unless we want this to continue all summer long and spread all over the country we need to make the tough choices and cancel events. I guess we can all say not to worry or make such a big deal out of it until it is our horse that is lying there unable to get up and you are faced with the choice of putting them out of their misery. |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 12:55 PM I can totally see how it's hard for producers to cancel events under these circumstances. It's costly as hell. That, plus they can come up with a lot of remarks that are true that support going ahead with the show. In the case of the R4R, though, I don't understand, because they have an alternate weekend set aside in case this event needed to be rescheduled. In fact, I would say that if they move it back, the turnout will probably be a lot better, so they would make more as well.
It almost seems to be just plain stubbornness to me at this point.
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Location: Iowa | FYI- from the Big J Barrel Blast Facebook page
**CONTESTANTS**Please read this VERY CAREFULLY regarding the May 2-4, 2014 Big J Barrel Blast Event**
PLEASE NOTE there have been NO TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS and NO EVENT CANCELATION notices put into effect due to the EHV virus to date by state or local veterinarians in Iowa or surrounding states! ** The event scheduled for this weekend MAY 2-4, 2014 at the NCC in Waterloo will GO ON as SCHEDULED**
All sanctions (WPRA, BBR, BRF, UBRA, NBHA 2,3,4 & 5) remain in place and the added money ($3500.00) will be paid out as planned!
With that said, I have made the decision to offer PARTIAL REFUNDS (FOR A LIMITED TIME FRAME) to those contestants that have made the decision to not attend. Stipulations are as follows
(PLEASE READ VERY CAREFULLY!)
• REQUESTS FOR REFUND – MUST BE PLACED BY NOON (12pm) TOMORROW MAY 1, 2014 via email to bigjbarrelblast@gmail.com
• DO NOT ASSUME THAT I RECEIVED YOUR REFUND REQUEST – I WILL SEND A CONFIRMATION EMAIL TO YOU AFTER I HAVE RECEIEVED YOUR EMAIL
• I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY REFUND REQUESTS AFTER 12PM CENTRAL STANDARD TIME TOMORROW (THURSDAY- MAY 1, 2014) (NO EXCEPTIONS!)
• REFUND AMOUNT WILL BE 60% of your TOTAL ENTRY AMOUNT
(Example – If your total fees were $205, your refund amount would be $123.00)
• REFUNDS WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL NEXT FRIDAY (May 9,2014) IF YOU PAID ONLINE YOUR PARTIAL REFUND WILL BE ISSUED BACK TO YOU ONLINE NEXT FRIDAY.
• IF YOU ARE REQUESTING A REFUND, IF MUST BE FOR YOUR FULL ENTRY (If you entered 2 horses, we will refund 60% of the entry fee on those 2 horses, not one or the other and not on just stalls, etc., “partial” refund of entry is not an option)
• IF YOU FEEL THAT THIS % IS NOT A SUFFICIENT OPTION, CONTESTANTS ARE STILL WELCOME TO SELL SPOTS - SPOTS CAN BE SOLD EACH DAY UNTIL THE 1st HORSE RUNS (All changes must be made at the office prior to the start of the open)
• The pre-entry draw for this event is posted. Anyone who chooses to be issued a refund will still be listed in the draw and stated as a REFUND under time. **Total number of entries and payout at the end of each race will not include those that were issued a refund** Drags will stay in place (Every 5) and we will still big drag every 50. So be aware that you may have scratches in your “set”
I understand that some of you feel that travel is not in the best interest of your animal at this time and that is why I am offering an option that I would not normally put forth. With that said, if you are choosing to NOT travel this weekend due to EHV concerns, please make sure that you continue to use good bio-Security, make sure that your vaccinations are current and that you consult a veterinarian regarding the best options for you, if you stay home, don’t go trail riding, to the horse sale or other “local” equine events.
For those contestants that are traveling to our event this weekend we would like you to know that no other equine events have been held at the NCC since last fall so the facility itself is “clean”. We are taking extra precautions and will have bottles of chlorhexidine available for use at the office for disinfecting at the common wash and water rack areas. (PLEASE USE THEM!) We will also have some additional tarps available for you to hang at your stalls if you are not comfortable with who your stall neighbor is, please bring your own tarps if possible. We ask that each of you are pro-active and practice good bio-security! If you have children that are riding this weekend, please talk to them about not letting horses touch nose to nose and keeping space while warming up to minimize any potential risks. Limit the number of horses in the warm up pen as much as possible to minimize potential risk as well. Thank you for your patience and cooperation.
Sincerely,
Lynde Johnson
Owner, Go For Broke Productions
515-571-4281
bigjbarrelblast@gmail.com
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Location: iowa | FYI...Lynde from the Big J race has offered partial refunds for entries to her show. Lets not all freak out and think badly of our producers. They haul their horses along also. Im sure they are just as concerned for their horse's health as we are. |
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Location: North Dakota | Tyler's mom - 2014-04-30 1:16 PM FYI- from the Big J Barrel Blast Facebook page **CONTESTANTS**Please read this VERY CAREFULLY regarding the May 2-4, 2014 Big J Barrel Blast Event** PLEASE NOTE there have been NO TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS and NO EVENT CANCELATION notices put into effect due to the EHV virus to date by state or local veterinarians in Iowa or surrounding states! ** The event scheduled for this weekend MAY 2-4, 2014 at the NCC in Waterloo will GO ON as SCHEDULED** All sanctions (WPRA, BBR, BRF, UBRA, NBHA 2,3,4 & 5) remain in place and the added money ($3500.00) will be paid out as planned! With that said, I have made the decision to offer PARTIAL REFUNDS (FOR A LIMITED TIME FRAME) to those contestants that have made the decision to not attend. Stipulations are as follows (PLEASE READ VERY CAREFULLY!) • REQUESTS FOR REFUND – MUST BE PLACED BY NOON (12pm) TOMORROW MAY 1, 2014 via email to bigjbarrelblast@gmail.com • DO NOT ASSUME THAT I RECEIVED YOUR REFUND REQUEST – I WILL SEND A CONFIRMATION EMAIL TO YOU AFTER I HAVE RECEIEVED YOUR EMAIL • I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY REFUND REQUESTS AFTER 12PM CENTRAL STANDARD TIME TOMORROW (THURSDAY- MAY 1, 2014) (NO EXCEPTIONS!) • REFUND AMOUNT WILL BE 60% of your TOTAL ENTRY AMOUNT (Example – If your total fees were $205, your refund amount would be $123.00) • REFUNDS WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL NEXT FRIDAY (May 9,2014) IF YOU PAID ONLINE YOUR PARTIAL REFUND WILL BE ISSUED BACK TO YOU ONLINE NEXT FRIDAY. • IF YOU ARE REQUESTING A REFUND, IF MUST BE FOR YOUR FULL ENTRY (If you entered 2 horses, we will refund 60% of the entry fee on those 2 horses, not one or the other and not on just stalls, etc., “partial” refund of entry is not an option) • IF YOU FEEL THAT THIS % IS NOT A SUFFICIENT OPTION, CONTESTANTS ARE STILL WELCOME TO SELL SPOTS - SPOTS CAN BE SOLD EACH DAY UNTIL THE 1st HORSE RUNS (All changes must be made at the office prior to the start of the open) • The pre-entry draw for this event is posted. Anyone who chooses to be issued a refund will still be listed in the draw and stated as a REFUND under time. **Total number of entries and payout at the end of each race will not include those that were issued a refund** Drags will stay in place (Every 5) and we will still big drag every 50. So be aware that you may have scratches in your “set” I understand that some of you feel that travel is not in the best interest of your animal at this time and that is why I am offering an option that I would not normally put forth. With that said, if you are choosing to NOT travel this weekend due to EHV concerns, please make sure that you continue to use good bio-Security, make sure that your vaccinations are current and that you consult a veterinarian regarding the best options for you, if you stay home, don’t go trail riding, to the horse sale or other “local” equine events. For those contestants that are traveling to our event this weekend we would like you to know that no other equine events have been held at the NCC since last fall so the facility itself is “clean”. We are taking extra precautions and will have bottles of chlorhexidine available for use at the office for disinfecting at the common wash and water rack areas. (PLEASE USE THEM!) We will also have some additional tarps available for you to hang at your stalls if you are not comfortable with who your stall neighbor is, please bring your own tarps if possible. We ask that each of you are pro-active and practice good bio-security! If you have children that are riding this weekend, please talk to them about not letting horses touch nose to nose and keeping space while warming up to minimize any potential risks. Limit the number of horses in the warm up pen as much as possible to minimize potential risk as well. Thank you for your patience and cooperation. Sincerely, Lynde Johnson Owner, Go For Broke Productions 515-571-4281 bigjbarrelblast@gmail.com — with Danielle Madden Griggs and Traci Blanchfield.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Tyler's mom - 2014-04-30 1:16 PM FYI- from the Big J Barrel Blast Facebook page **CONTESTANTS**Please read this VERY CAREFULLY regarding the May 2-4, 2014 Big J Barrel Blast Event** PLEASE NOTE there have been NO TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS and NO EVENT CANCELATION notices put into effect due to the EHV virus to date by state or local veterinarians in Iowa or surrounding states! ** The event scheduled for this weekend MAY 2-4, 2014 at the NCC in Waterloo will GO ON as SCHEDULED** All sanctions (WPRA, BBR, BRF, UBRA, NBHA 2,3,4 & 5) remain in place and the added money ($3500.00) will be paid out as planned! With that said, I have made the decision to offer PARTIAL REFUNDS (FOR A LIMITED TIME FRAME) to those contestants that have made the decision to not attend. Stipulations are as follows (PLEASE READ VERY CAREFULLY!) • REQUESTS FOR REFUND – MUST BE PLACED BY NOON (12pm) TOMORROW MAY 1, 2014 via email to bigjbarrelblast@gmail.com • DO NOT ASSUME THAT I RECEIVED YOUR REFUND REQUEST – I WILL SEND A CONFIRMATION EMAIL TO YOU AFTER I HAVE RECEIEVED YOUR EMAIL • I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY REFUND REQUESTS AFTER 12PM CENTRAL STANDARD TIME TOMORROW (THURSDAY- MAY 1, 2014) (NO EXCEPTIONS!) • REFUND AMOUNT WILL BE 60% of your TOTAL ENTRY AMOUNT (Example – If your total fees were $205, your refund amount would be $123.00) • REFUNDS WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL NEXT FRIDAY (May 9,2014) IF YOU PAID ONLINE YOUR PARTIAL REFUND WILL BE ISSUED BACK TO YOU ONLINE NEXT FRIDAY. • IF YOU ARE REQUESTING A REFUND, IF MUST BE FOR YOUR FULL ENTRY (If you entered 2 horses, we will refund 60% of the entry fee on those 2 horses, not one or the other and not on just stalls, etc., “partial” refund of entry is not an option) • IF YOU FEEL THAT THIS % IS NOT A SUFFICIENT OPTION, CONTESTANTS ARE STILL WELCOME TO SELL SPOTS - SPOTS CAN BE SOLD EACH DAY UNTIL THE 1st HORSE RUNS (All changes must be made at the office prior to the start of the open) • The pre-entry draw for this event is posted. Anyone who chooses to be issued a refund will still be listed in the draw and stated as a REFUND under time. **Total number of entries and payout at the end of each race will not include those that were issued a refund** Drags will stay in place (Every 5) and we will still big drag every 50. So be aware that you may have scratches in your “set” I understand that some of you feel that travel is not in the best interest of your animal at this time and that is why I am offering an option that I would not normally put forth. With that said, if you are choosing to NOT travel this weekend due to EHV concerns, please make sure that you continue to use good bio-Security, make sure that your vaccinations are current and that you consult a veterinarian regarding the best options for you, if you stay home, don’t go trail riding, to the horse sale or other “local” equine events. For those contestants that are traveling to our event this weekend we would like you to know that no other equine events have been held at the NCC since last fall so the facility itself is “clean”. We are taking extra precautions and will have bottles of chlorhexidine available for use at the office for disinfecting at the common wash and water rack areas. (PLEASE USE THEM!) We will also have some additional tarps available for you to hang at your stalls if you are not comfortable with who your stall neighbor is, please bring your own tarps if possible. We ask that each of you are pro-active and practice good bio-security! If you have children that are riding this weekend, please talk to them about not letting horses touch nose to nose and keeping space while warming up to minimize any potential risks. Limit the number of horses in the warm up pen as much as possible to minimize potential risk as well. Thank you for your patience and cooperation. Sincerely, Lynde Johnson Owner, Go For Broke Productions 515-571-4281 bigjbarrelblast@gmail.com — with Danielle Madden Griggs and Traci Blanchfield.
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| I just got an email from the producer that she would be posting an update to her Facebook shortly. Will someone who has FB copy and post here for those of us without FB? Please? :)
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Location: Iowa | Ashley Gustafson - 2014-04-30 2:52 PM
I just got an email from the producer that she would be posting an update to her Facebook shortly. Will someone who has FB copy and post here for those of us without FB? Please? :)
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Location: Where I am happiest | Those saying it's a business to produce races and rescheduling just cant be done. Give me a break! Are you seriously going to try to tell me the producers in the west are soooooooooooo much smarter to figure out how to do it when we had the outbreak in 2011? EVEN a multi state Championship Finals w/ 20K added changed their date's and they had been on that same weekend since their inception!! |
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Location: Kansas | ThreeCorners - 2014-04-30 3:15 PM Those saying it's a business to produce races and rescheduling just cant be done. Give me a break! Are you seriously going to try to tell me the producers in the west are soooooooooooo much smarter to figure out how to do it when we had the outbreak in 2011? EVEN a multi state Championship Finals w/ 20K added changed their date's and they had been on that same weekend since their inception!!
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Location: So. California | Sangria - 2014-04-30 1:28 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-04-30 3:15 PM Those saying it's a business to produce races and rescheduling just cant be done. Give me a break! Are you seriously going to try to tell me the producers in the west are soooooooooooo much smarter to figure out how to do it when we had the outbreak in 2011? EVEN a multi state Championship Finals w/ 20K added changed their date's and they had been on that same weekend since their inception!! What state are you talking about?
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| ThreeCorners - 2014-04-30 2:15 PM Those saying it's a business to produce races and rescheduling just cant be done. Give me a break! Are you seriously going to try to tell me the producers in the west are soooooooooooo much smarter to figure out how to do it when we had the outbreak in 2011? EVEN a multi state Championship Finals w/ 20K added changed their date's and they had been on that same weekend since their inception!!
And do you have any idea how much money they lost in the process?
What I am saying is that it's up to event producers and all this "I'll never go there again if they don't change" is in my opinion not very needed.
For all we know they have consulted with local vets and have made their decisions based on something other than money - risk vs. advice ?? |
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| This is the kind of propaganda that people read and not take EHV1 seriously. I just read this on a post somewhere on the internet. The first thought that crossed my mind is that 2014 must be extremely unusual since 10 horses (I think) have been put down this spring...so my question is: do a dozen or so horses die every year because of this and I am just hearing about it now?
"Equine herpesvirus-1 (EHV-1) non-neuropathogenic strain has recently been identified in horses in parts of Minnesota. This is not uncommon. The disease occurs in horses throughout the U.S. each year. However, it is unusual to see multiple cases in horses with EHV-1 that show neurologic signs. This virus has no effect on people. Equine herpesvirus has been associated with neurologic cases in llamas and alpacas, but has no affect on other types of livestock....It is serious, but not an epidemic or anything new. We just hear about it more now than before." |
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Location: North Dakota | Posted on Anoka's fb page. I highlighted a few important bits of information that are not be taken seriously.
EHV-1 UPDATE 4/30/14:
AGAIN WE ASK THAT THIS IS USED AS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT DISCUSSION, DIRECT ALL SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO JUSTINE@ANOKAEQUINE.COM. FEEL FREE TO SHARE OR FOLLOW. THANKS SO MUCH.
As most people know by now, there were two positive EHV-1 cases that recently came up after a large barrel horse event April 10-12 that was held in Lincoln, Nebraska. These two horses evidently were stables about 10 stalls apart – both were euthanized on April 26th (two weeks after the event). One was located in Lafayette County, Wisconsin approximately 200 miles from the Twin Cities and the other one in Kansas. You can read more about the barrel event on their Facebook page (Bonus Race Finals) as well as notes/info from the owner who lost her horse (we are very sorry for this devastating loss).
The suggested travel ban for our area was lifted on 4/22, at that time we HIGHLY recommended everyone still use extreme caution. We still recommend using extreme caution….Do not let horses touch noses and intermingle, no sharing buckets for food/water, no tying to a hitching post, do not be lax about letting others touch and visit your horses. Horses that were at this barrel racing event should be considered exposed. There were horses from Minnesota at this event (which was held during the suggested no travel ban). If you have a barrel horse coming/going from a barn or you are going to barrel events make sure there are not horses that participated in or are stabled with horses that attended the events where the positive horses had been until the total fall out from this situation is accessed.
Things to remember:
- There is not a vaccine that protects against the neurologic strain of EHV-1, however vaccinating does decrease shedding. Decreasing shedding helps to slow down or reduce the spread of the virus. Although most manufacturer’s recommend once yearly vaccinations, vaccinating twice yearly is a good idea.
- Keep in mind the most common way the virus is spread is direct horse to horse contact however it can also be spread by tack, grooming equipment, feed/water buckets, people’s hands or clothing and various other avenues.
- Signs of EHV-1 to watch for: Fever usually precedes neurologic signs by about 8-12 days, decreased coordination, urine dribbling, loss of tail tone, hind limb weakness, leaning on walls or fencing for balance, lethargy, inability to stand, and runny/snotty nasal discharge
- If you are hosting a show or equine gathering it is a good idea for horses in attendance to arrive with a health certificate within a week prior to the event. Make sure there is a current temperature listed on the certificate and we’d recommend that the veterinarian writes, “To my knowledge this horse has not been exposed to EHV-1 in the last 21 days”. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't see much name calling or bat sh!t craziness on this thread at all. It's been a pretty reasonable exchange of ideas and opinions, as well as quite a bit of factually accurate information.
I wish it were a simple matter of "If you are worried, don't go...." What people are concerned about is if we continue to have shows during this period when cases are cropping up, then it theoretically effects us all. I just hope that in a month from now we aren't still talking about this. |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 3:48 PM I don't see much name calling or bat sh!t craziness on this thread at all. It's been a pretty reasonable exchange of ideas and opinions, as well as quite a bit of factually accurate information.
I wish it were a simple matter of "If you are worried, don't go...." What people are concerned about is if we continue to have shows during this period when cases are cropping up, then it theoretically effects us all. I just hope that in a month from now we aren't still talking about this.
I agree. If all it would do is effect those that go then so be it let them go but that just isn't the case. This ultimately effects us all. |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | Just got word that the Kansas NBHA State Finals have been postponed to a later date. I'm glad they are taking it upon themselves to make the decision for others to keep your horse at home. Now if those anxious to run would take their advice & stay home for a few weeks. Prayers to the families that have lost their horses to this horrible disease.
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Location: North Dakota | R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! |
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | Blueridgedreaming - 2014-04-29 1:52 PM
Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 1:25 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 1:08 PM
Shushi - 2014-04-29 12:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2.
If it helps at all both our horses had pretty noticeable blankets. One had a red PHT with zebra squares. The other had a customized BOT blanket on. It had white/pink/black fabric stitched onto the straps.
Barrels&Babies I commend you for being so helpful for others! I you!
Yes. They are both kinda crabby. The mare we lost was a big chestnut mare with no white and has really deep study sounding neigh. She never use to sound like that but her tie back surgery changed her voice. The bay is very antisocial. They would have been sharing blankets.
Edition to add I quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote CYAs post asking of they were the crabby ones.
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM
R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend!
If you feel the need to bring TARPS for your stall at an event...WOW...shouldn't be going. |
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The Resident Destroyer of Liberal Logic
Location: PNW | Sangria - 2014-04-30 3:28 PM
ThreeCorners - 2014-04-30 3:15 PM Those saying it's a business to produce races and rescheduling just cant be done. Give me a break! Are you seriously going to try to tell me the producers in the west are soooooooooooo much smarter to figure out how to do it when we had the outbreak in 2011? EVEN a multi state Championship Finals w/ 20K added changed their date's and they had been on that same weekend since their inception!!
What state are you talking about?
BRN4D Finals - it's held Memorial Day weekend EVERY YEAR - except 2011 when they moved it to Labor Day because of the outbreak |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend!
Wow.... That is all I can muster to say after reading that. Disenfectant and tarps..... Ok then.... |
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| Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend!
Hate to break it to them, but there were tarps and disinfectants used in Lincoln. There was a tarp put up between the stalls for the 2nd horse that was euthanized. |
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| I believe the difference between 2011 and 2014 is 2011 the state intervened closing down state borders to outside horses, then producers have no choice but to postpone or cancel.
2014 the states haven't closed borders, has the state vets even issued a statement?
Also people wanting to compare this to humans. My area the CDC has issues a measles outbreak, there are no new immunization clinics, schools are still running, nothing has been closed down. Approx 40 percent of children are vaccinated, so 60 percent of the children are at risk. The CDC hasn't issued a statement on keeping children at home, nor are the doctors informing the active cancer patients of safeguards.
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| Nateracer - 2014-04-30 4:25 PM
Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend!
Hate to break it to them, but there were tarps and disinfectants used in Lincoln. There was a tarp put up between the stalls for the 2nd horse that was euthanized.
The tarps may have worked, no one knows where the horse picked up the virus at the event.
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2014-04-30 4:27 PM Nateracer - 2014-04-30 4:25 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! Hate to break it to them, but there were tarps and disinfectants used in Lincoln. There was a tarp put up between the stalls for the 2nd horse that was euthanized. The tarps may have worked, no one knows where the horse picked up the virus at the event. There are so many variables on the transmission of the virus
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Location: ND | cheryl makofka - 2014-04-30 4:27 PM Nateracer - 2014-04-30 4:25 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! Hate to break it to them, but there were tarps and disinfectants used in Lincoln. There was a tarp put up between the stalls for the 2nd horse that was euthanized. The tarps may have worked, no one knows where the horse picked up the virus at the event. There are so many variables on the transmission of the virus
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | lookout hill - 2014-04-30 3:56 PM Just got word that the Kansas NBHA State Finals have been postponed to a later date. I'm glad they are taking it upon themselves to make the decision for others to keep your horse at home. Now if those anxious to run would take their advice & stay home for a few weeks. Prayers to the families that have lost their horses to this horrible disease.
How many cases have been reported in Kansas? Two? Kudos for them to postpone the NBHA state finals. Meanwhile here in Minnesota and Wisconsin people are all breathing a sigh of relief and it's back to business as usual. I don't see how we can be out of the woods yet. They are still euthanizing horses as recently as a week ago and rumors of unreported/unofficial cases in western Wisconsin are spreading like wildfire. I just hope we luck out.....as the saying goes, "Better to be lucky than good!" |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 3:37 PM lookout hill - 2014-04-30 3:56 PM Just got word that the Kansas NBHA State Finals have been postponed to a later date. I'm glad they are taking it upon themselves to make the decision for others to keep your horse at home. Now if those anxious to run would take their advice & stay home for a few weeks. Prayers to the families that have lost their horses to this horrible disease. How many cases have been reported in Kansas? Two? Kudos for them to postpone the NBHA state finals. Meanwhile here in Minnesota and Wisconsin people are all breathing a sigh of relief and it's back to business as usual. I don't see how we can be out of the woods yet. They are still euthanizing horses as recently as a week ago and rumors of unreported/unofficial cases in western Wisconsin are spreading like wildfire. I just hope we luck out.....as the saying goes, "Better to be lucky than good!"
One confirmed that I know of. It was a teenagers horse & her mother is really active in NBHA & produces shows. Her & the state director are good friends. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-30 4:06 PM Blueridgedreaming - 2014-04-29 1:52 PM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 1:25 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 1:08 PM Shushi - 2014-04-29 12:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2. If it helps at all both our horses had pretty noticeable blankets. One had a red PHT with zebra squares. The other had a customized BOT blanket on. It had white/pink/black fabric stitched onto the straps. Barrels&Babies I commend you for being so helpful for others! I you! Yes. They are both kinda crabby. The mare we lost was a big chestnut mare with no white and has really deep study sounding neigh. She never use to sound like that but her tie back surgery changed her voice. The bay is very antisocial. They would have been sharing blankets. Edition to add I quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote CYAs post asking of they were the crabby ones.
You are so sweet to share your info. I asked 2 or 3 times for a stalling chart to see exactly which one of my horses would be closer and just basically want to know who to watch closer as I had 3 horses ranging in ages. I was told the first time she wasn't able to give me the chart right then and the next couple times I asked I got no response. I was sent an email when you lost Mama that I was "close". Now today I see she posted on Facebook the stalling chart I asked for, for the world to see. I'm not on FB, just get on my sons account to keep checking back for updates on the BRF sight. The kansas horse and your precious girl surrounded me. I have a feeling the next time I haul somewhere I won't have any stall buddies. My horses temps are holding steady and my prayers are holding. I just wish you didn't have to deal with explaining your loss to your little girl.  |
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 5:16 PM
Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-30 4:06 PM Blueridgedreaming - 2014-04-29 1:52 PM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 1:25 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 1:08 PM Shushi - 2014-04-29 12:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2. If it helps at all both our horses had pretty noticeable blankets. One had a red PHT with zebra squares. The other had a customized BOT blanket on. It had white/pink/black fabric stitched onto the straps. Barrels&Babies I commend you for being so helpful for others! I you! Yes. They are both kinda crabby. The mare we lost was a big chestnut mare with no white and has really deep study sounding neigh. She never use to sound like that but her tie back surgery changed her voice. The bay is very antisocial. They would have been sharing blankets. Edition to add I quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote CYAs post asking of they were the crabby ones.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Timber Creek - 2014-04-30 5:26 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-30 5:16 PM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-30 4:06 PM Blueridgedreaming - 2014-04-29 1:52 PM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 1:25 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 1:08 PM Shushi - 2014-04-29 12:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-04-29 11:57 AM Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-29 10:56 AM northerngirl - 2014-04-29 10:43 AM Timber Creek - 2014-04-29 10:36 AM Is the second horse being treated? I wasn't sure? It says the timeline is the same meaning the horse showed symptoms on 4/24? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. On the BRF facebook page, it says the 2nd horse from KS was also put down last week. Yes. That's true. That horse was also euthanized on the 24th. The same day as Mama. Both horses were stalled in the same general area in barn 2. If it helps at all both our horses had pretty noticeable blankets. One had a red PHT with zebra squares. The other had a customized BOT blanket on. It had white/pink/black fabric stitched onto the straps. Barrels&Babies I commend you for being so helpful for others! I you! Yes. They are both kinda crabby. The mare we lost was a big chestnut mare with no white and has really deep study sounding neigh. She never use to sound like that but her tie back surgery changed her voice. The bay is very antisocial. They would have been sharing blankets. Edition to add I quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote CYAs post asking of they were the crabby ones. I'll still be your stall buddy.
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Location: sunny california | anybody remember the race around the 2011 scare.Everybody was being real careful with biosecurity measures, then a tornado was coming and all the horses ended up in the arena together? |
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | kwanatha - 2014-04-30 6:42 PM
anybody remember the race around the 2011 scare.Everybody was being real careful with biosecurity measures, then a tornado was coming and all the horses ended up in the arena together?
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| This is my point and where my frustration lies... A few people have mentioned that the risk is minimal.
1.) I do not believe Vets fully understand this virus yet because it is mutated. If you notice, many of the vets are quoting different incubation periods. That to me means there is confusion and a lot unknown yet.
2.) If one more person says that we expose our horses, every time we haul... im gonna hit you with the obvious stick. Because yes, we expose them, however, this strain and this virus is much more dangerous than many things we've encountered and we KNOWINGLY exposing them and this is currently active and is causing deaths. Its a horrible way to see a horse go.
3.) As minimal as it is, do you want to feel responsible if your horse picks the virus up because you refuse to stop hauling. Your horse doesnt get sick but you bring it back and your horse gives it to a little girls horse and that horse gets the symptoms and needs to be eauthanized. Is it worth it?!?!
These may be all what if's. This isnt directed just at the events this weekend but to all future events. I personally would like to show at some point this summer and if everyone else doesnt stop being selfish, we may never get to. Eventually, when enough horses die... they will shut everything down and at that point it may mean the majority of our summer and many lives will have been lost due to poor decision making on our part.
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| stayceem - 2014-04-30 7:06 PM This is my point and where my frustration lies... A few people have mentioned that the risk is minimal. 1.) I do not believe Vets fully understand this virus yet because it is mutated. If you notice, many of the vets are quoting different incubation periods. That to me means there is confusion and a lot unknown yet. 2.) If one more person says that we expose our horses, every time we haul... im gonna hit you with the obvious stick. Because yes, we expose them, however, this strain and this virus is much more dangerous than many things we've encountered and we KNOWINGLY exposing them and this is currently active and is causing deaths. Its a horrible way to see a horse go. 3.) As minimal as it is, do you want to feel responsible if your horse picks the virus up because you refuse to stop hauling. Your horse doesnt get sick but you bring it back and your horse gives it to a little girls horse and that horse gets the symptoms and needs to be eauthanized. Is it worth it?!?! These may be all what if's. This isnt directed just at the events this weekend but to all future events. I personally would like to show at some point this summer and if everyone else doesnt stop being selfish, we may never get to. Eventually, when enough horses die... they will shut everything down and at that point it may mean the majority of our summer and many lives will have been lost due to poor decision making on our part.
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Location: sunny california | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-30 5:02 PM kwanatha - 2014-04-30 6:42 PM anybody remember the race around the 2011 scare.Everybody was being real careful with biosecurity measures, then a tornado was coming and all the horses ended up in the arena together? Fort Smith keeps coming to mind and I was think that was 2012? I may be totally wrong.
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Location: stalking Gail... | stayceem - 2014-04-30 6:06 PM
This is my point and where my frustration lies... A few people have mentioned that the risk is minimal.
1.) I do not believe Vets fully understand this virus yet because it is mutated. If you notice, many of the vets are quoting different incubation periods. That to me means there is confusion and a lot unknown yet.
2.) If one more person says that we expose our horses, every time we haul... im gonna hit you with the obvious stick. Because yes, we expose them, however, this strain and this virus is much more dangerous than many things we've encountered and we KNOWINGLY exposing them and this is currently active and is causing deaths. Its a horrible way to see a horse go.
3.) As minimal as it is, do you want to feel responsible if your horse picks the virus up because you refuse to stop hauling. Your horse doesnt get sick but you bring it back and your horse gives it to a little girls horse and that horse gets the symptoms and needs to be eauthanized. Is it worth it?!?!
These may be all what if's. This isnt directed just at the events this weekend but to all future events. I personally would like to show at some point this summer and if everyone else doesnt stop being selfish, we may never get to. Eventually, when enough horses die... they will shut everything down and at that point it may mean the majority of our summer and many lives will have been lost due to poor decision making on our part.
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| stayceem - 2014-04-30 7:06 PM
This is my point and where my frustration lies... A few people have mentioned that the risk is minimal.
1.) I do not believe Vets fully understand this virus yet because it is mutated. If you notice, many of the vets are quoting different incubation periods. That to me means there is confusion and a lot unknown yet.
2.) If one more person says that we expose our horses, every time we haul... im gonna hit you with the obvious stick. Because yes, we expose them, however, this strain and this virus is much more dangerous than many things we've encountered and we KNOWINGLY exposing them and this is currently active and is causing deaths. Its a horrible way to see a horse go.
3.) As minimal as it is, do you want to feel responsible if your horse picks the virus up because you refuse to stop hauling. Your horse doesnt get sick but you bring it back and your horse gives it to a little girls horse and that horse gets the symptoms and needs to be eauthanized. Is it worth it?!?!
These may be all what if's. This isnt directed just at the events this weekend but to all future events. I personally would like to show at some point this summer and if everyone else doesnt stop being selfish, we may never get to. Eventually, when enough horses die... they will shut everything down and at that point it may mean the majority of our summer and many lives will have been lost due to poor decision making on our part.
You say the people hauling are being selfish, but aren't you being selfish for wanting the people hauling to stop.
If people want to haul, there are many safe guards they can put into place to quarantine the horse once it arrives back at home so as you say that little girls horse will not be exposed.
It is known that the virus is spread by droplet, so isolate the horse, do not have other horses within 100 feet. Buckets are segregated, feed is keep separate, and the one on isolation is the last fed footwear is changed before going into the isolated area and after, showed immediately after contact. It is doable.
My question if it is as bad as 2011 why hasn't the state stepped in?
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Location: relocated to Texas | Just Bring It - 2014-05-01 3:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! You know, all this says to me is that they KNOW there is a potential problem, but they are going ahead with the show anyway. No responsible horse owner would go to this show after what happened at Lincoln. People are crazy to think that a show is worth risking the life of their horse. I hope they get a poor turnout. Horse owners need to send a message to this producer. IMO this is irresponsible. Especially in light of the fact that they had a back up date. Makes no sense.
She asked for additional suggestions. Mine would be to postpone the show and hold it on the backup date. DUH.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-04-30 7:41 PM
stayceem - 2014-04-30 7:06 PM
This is my point and where my frustration lies... A few people have mentioned that the risk is minimal.
1.) I do not believe Vets fully understand this virus yet because it is mutated. If you notice, many of the vets are quoting different incubation periods. That to me means there is confusion and a lot unknown yet.
2.) If one more person says that we expose our horses, every time we haul... im gonna hit you with the obvious stick. Because yes, we expose them, however, this strain and this virus is much more dangerous than many things we've encountered and we KNOWINGLY exposing them and this is currently active and is causing deaths. Its a horrible way to see a horse go.
3.) As minimal as it is, do you want to feel responsible if your horse picks the virus up because you refuse to stop hauling. Your horse doesnt get sick but you bring it back and your horse gives it to a little girls horse and that horse gets the symptoms and needs to be eauthanized. Is it worth it?!?!
These may be all what if's. This isnt directed just at the events this weekend but to all future events. I personally would like to show at some point this summer and if everyone else doesnt stop being selfish, we may never get to. Eventually, when enough horses die... they will shut everything down and at that point it may mean the majority of our summer and many lives will have been lost due to poor decision making on our part.
You say the people hauling are being selfish, but aren't you being selfish for wanting the people hauling to stop.
If people want to haul, there are many safe guards they can put into place to quarantine the horse once it arrives back at home so as you say that little girls horse will not be exposed.
It is known that the virus is spread by droplet, so isolate the horse, do not have other horses within 100 feet. Buckets are segregated, feed is keep separate, and the one on isolation is the last fed footwear is changed before going into the isolated area and after, showed immediately after contact. It is doable.
My question if it is as bad as 2011 why hasn't the state stepped in?
Yes in a sense I have a selfish motive... but I also explained many unselfish reasons people should stop hauling. I guess if asking for my horses safety is selfish then I guess I am. I would like to show but I love my horse more. If I dont show this season, I'll survive.
Also you state precautions can be made... if they are not taking this precaution what makes them think they will on any other level??? Many of us are at everyone else's mercy.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | cheryl makofka - 2014-04-30 4:27 PM Nateracer - 2014-04-30 4:25 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! Hate to break it to them, but there were tarps and disinfectants used in Lincoln. There was a tarp put up between the stalls for the 2nd horse that was euthanized. The tarps may have worked, no one knows where the horse picked up the virus at the event. There are so many variables on the transmission of the virus
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Location: relocated to Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-01 6:41 PM stayceem - 2014-04-30 7:06 PM This is my point and where my frustration lies... A few people have mentioned that the risk is minimal. 1.) I do not believe Vets fully understand this virus yet because it is mutated. If you notice, many of the vets are quoting different incubation periods. That to me means there is confusion and a lot unknown yet. 2.) If one more person says that we expose our horses, every time we haul... im gonna hit you with the obvious stick. Because yes, we expose them, however, this strain and this virus is much more dangerous than many things we've encountered and we KNOWINGLY exposing them and this is currently active and is causing deaths. Its a horrible way to see a horse go. 3.) As minimal as it is, do you want to feel responsible if your horse picks the virus up because you refuse to stop hauling. Your horse doesnt get sick but you bring it back and your horse gives it to a little girls horse and that horse gets the symptoms and needs to be eauthanized. Is it worth it?!?! These may be all what if's. This isnt directed just at the events this weekend but to all future events. I personally would like to show at some point this summer and if everyone else doesnt stop being selfish, we may never get to. Eventually, when enough horses die... they will shut everything down and at that point it may mean the majority of our summer and many lives will have been lost due to poor decision making on our part. You say the people hauling are being selfish, but aren't you being selfish for wanting the people hauling to stop. If people want to haul, there are many safe guards they can put into place to quarantine the horse once it arrives back at home so as you say that little girls horse will not be exposed. It is known that the virus is spread by droplet, so isolate the horse, do not have other horses within 100 feet. Buckets are segregated, feed is keep separate, and the one on isolation is the last fed footwear is changed before going into the isolated area and after, showed immediately after contact. It is doable. My question if it is as bad as 2011 why hasn't the state stepped in?
I cannot believe you are serious with this statement. How is it selfish for wanting people to stay home and give this time to die out? The reason it has not, is because people keep having these shows and people keep hauling their horses to them. Its like playing Russian Roulette with your horse's life. You can take precautions, but you cannot guarnatee that the virus will not be spread. I have been in barns on lockdown because of strangles, all precautions strictly followed and still horses that were not close to the affected horses got it. The virus that we are talking about is DEADLY. I wonder - if it were affecting humans in this way, would people still take the chance? Would people take this type of chance with their own lives? I think not.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend!
Sara, I was just on their FB page and I didn't see this anywhere. Where did you get this? Can you post the link, because I can't find it. On the one hand they want to give an "all clear" message that says it's safe to proceed, but on the other hand they aknowlege this is a serious risk for which a number of precautions ought to be used....empty stalls separating groups of stalls (if possible), tarps, encouraging tie outs, disinfect everything, don't touch other's horses, don't let horses touch each other, etc.... These kinds of precautions aren't typically stressed when there aren't outbreaks, so if it's so safe, why all these safeguards? Obviously the answer is because there is significant risk that needs to be minimized. The next obvious question is if there remains significant risk and the show can be moved back, why not move it back to a time when that risk has waned? Somebody want to help me out here? It's like saying there's no risk of being shot when you are in downtown Baghdad, but wear a bulletproof vest anyway.
If there is an outbreak of a deadly, resistant bacterial infection in a community, you take precautions if you have to work in that hospital, and that will minimize risk to a certain extent, but the best way to minimize risk is to stay the hell out of the hospital. Same thing here. |
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Location: WI | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 9:11 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! Sara, I was just on their FB page and I didn't see this anywhere. Where did you get this? Can you post the link, because I can't find it. On the one hand they want to give an "all clear" message that says it's safe to proceed, but on the other hand they aknowlege this is a serious risk for which a number of precautions ought to be used....empty stalls separating groups of stalls (if possible), tarps, encouraging tie outs, disinfect everything, don't touch other's horses, don't let horses touch each other, etc.... These kinds of precautions aren't typically stressed when there aren't outbreaks, so if it's so safe, why all these safeguards? Obviously the answer is because there is significant risk that needs to be minimized. The next obvious question is if there remains significant risk and the show can be moved back, why not move it back to a time when that risk has waned? Somebody want to help me out here? It's like saying there's no risk of being shot when you are in downtown Baghdad, but wear a bulletproof vest anyway.
If there is an outbreak of a deadly, resistant bacterial infection in a community, you take precautions if you have to work in that hospital, and that will minimize risk to a certain extent, but the best way to minimize risk is to stay the hell out of the hospital. Same thing here.
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Location: Wisconsin | i have opted to sell my derby slot this weekend. Personal choice. However want to let peeps know I may enter Rapid City! Im from Wisconsin and traveling with a Minnesotan..Please dont treat us like leppers and I havent been off the place since November 15th!! nor has anyone come to ride at my place in 3 months!! you wanna talk stir crazy???? |
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Location: Wisconsin | chuckie31 - 2014-04-29 10:54 PM
*** The following is a statement from the owner of the most recent POSITIVE EHV-1 case in Kansas (This horse attended the BRF in Lincoln, NE). Our deepest sympathies and appreciation for sharing your story with us all >>>
"Thank you Kim Tatum for bringing such joy in our lives. Hank had been to the brf in Lincoln. He came home and had not been to another race. He showed no signs of any kind until the morning of the 23rd when I noticed he was walking a little funny. That afternoon he lost control of his hind limbs and was down. He was put down on the 24th. He was one of a kind and will be greatly missed. I want to come forward with this information NOW THAT IT IS OFFICIAL to dispel any myths or rumors. This virus can be spread by healthy horses, airborne, or direct contact from people or horses. All of the other horses at my barn are fine.
All horses at brf were potentially exposed as we don’t know where the virus came from. We had an autopsy performed and it came back on 4/29 for EHV-1 the wild non-neurogenic strain. There are several strains of EHV-1 including respiratory and neuro strains. Horses can have a fever of above 101 and carry the virus. If your horse has a fever over 101 blood and nasal secretions can be taken at this time and tested for EHV-1. It is my understanding UC Davis will run these tests at no charge in hopes of understanding the mutation of this virus. As always PLEASE VERIFY this with your vet."
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Location: Kansas | kwanatha - 2014-04-30 6:42 PM anybody remember the race around the 2011 scare.Everybody was being real careful with biosecurity measures, then a tornado was coming and all the horses ended up in the arena together?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | linds - 2014-04-30 9:18 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 9:11 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! Sara, I was just on their FB page and I didn't see this anywhere. Where did you get this? Can you post the link, because I can't find it. On the one hand they want to give an "all clear" message that says it's safe to proceed, but on the other hand they aknowlege this is a serious risk for which a number of precautions ought to be used....empty stalls separating groups of stalls (if possible), tarps, encouraging tie outs, disinfect everything, don't touch other's horses, don't let horses touch each other, etc.... These kinds of precautions aren't typically stressed when there aren't outbreaks, so if it's so safe, why all these safeguards? Obviously the answer is because there is significant risk that needs to be minimized. The next obvious question is if there remains significant risk and the show can be moved back, why not move it back to a time when that risk has waned? Somebody want to help me out here? It's like saying there's no risk of being shot when you are in downtown Baghdad, but wear a bulletproof vest anyway.
If there is an outbreak of a deadly, resistant bacterial infection in a community, you take precautions if you have to work in that hospital, and that will minimize risk to a certain extent, but the best way to minimize risk is to stay the hell out of the hospital. Same thing here.
Oh who told you that, Lindsey? If they can't cancel, what was the reason they gave? I was told they did have an alternate date available. I do know that there are a couple open weekends at the RHR in July (5th and 25th) where nothing is scheduled. If that's the case, then the obvious question is WOULD they cancel if there indeed was an alternate date available? If they say "yes we would", then that clears everything up. The decision is purely a business decision. I can handle that. If someone's horse dies as a consequence of exposure at this event the producers ought to be absolved of any fault/guilt whatsoever.....people simply took the risk, ignored warnings, took all precautions, and lost. Heck, up until yesterday I was set to go myself.
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Location: WI | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 9:50 PM linds - 2014-04-30 9:18 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-30 9:11 PM Just Bring It - 2014-04-30 4:02 PM R4R fb announcement:
EHV-1: Throughout the 2014 outbreak we have been in contact with multiple veterinarians as well as carefully monitored the University of Minnesota and the MN Board of Animal Health websites. There is a lot of good information regarding biosecurity and precautions that should be taken to help spread ANY disease among our equine population. Please refer to their websites for up to date and accurate information. For our event at Red Horse, we will ask that you follow their recommendations…. Disinfect tack before use, don’t share tack or buckets, limit nose to nose contact with other horses, and limit the number of horses in the warm up areas. Although campsites are assigned, we can move folks around if they want to tie out at their trailers during the day. Feel free to bring tarps if you’d like to hang them between your stall and your neighbor. We prefer that you use zip ties but if you use duct tape, please remove it before you leave. We have already put “stall buddies” together that may represent friends, family and traveling groups. We will do what we can to have an empty stall here and there to give folks a bit more space. There will also be disinfectant solution throughout the barns for folks to use. Although we are beyond the 2-14 day incubation period for the Lincoln, Nebraska event, we recognize that continued diligence is important. There have been and continue to be, a large number of equine events throughout our area. It appears barrel horses have been more affected this year and we want to make sure we take extra precautions. If you have additional suggestions, please feel free to message or call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thank you and looking forward to a great weekend! Sara, I was just on their FB page and I didn't see this anywhere. Where did you get this? Can you post the link, because I can't find it. On the one hand they want to give an "all clear" message that says it's safe to proceed, but on the other hand they aknowlege this is a serious risk for which a number of precautions ought to be used....empty stalls separating groups of stalls (if possible), tarps, encouraging tie outs, disinfect everything, don't touch other's horses, don't let horses touch each other, etc.... These kinds of precautions aren't typically stressed when there aren't outbreaks, so if it's so safe, why all these safeguards? Obviously the answer is because there is significant risk that needs to be minimized. The next obvious question is if there remains significant risk and the show can be moved back, why not move it back to a time when that risk has waned? Somebody want to help me out here? It's like saying there's no risk of being shot when you are in downtown Baghdad, but wear a bulletproof vest anyway.
If there is an outbreak of a deadly, resistant bacterial infection in a community, you take precautions if you have to work in that hospital, and that will minimize risk to a certain extent, but the best way to minimize risk is to stay the hell out of the hospital. Same thing here.
In that case, I now understand why the show must go on.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | nettieb3 - 2014-04-30 9:15 PM off the R4R fb page
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | The producers of the Big J Barrel Blast have given contestants until tomorrow at noon to receive a 60% refund. That show is at NCC in Waterloo, IA May 2-4 |
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nettieb3 - 2014-04-30 9:15 PM off the R4R fb page
I still don't see it.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Barrels&Babies - 2014-04-30 10:06 PM The producers of the Big J Barrel Blast have given contestants until tomorrow at noon to receive a 60% refund. That show is at NCC in Waterloo, IA May 2-4
Now that is a very reasonable, decent gesture. Shows a lot of class.
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Ace Ventura Pet Detective
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Location: Wisconsin | Scott did you try and sell yours? I was fortunate to be able to sell mine. and she was very helpful in taking care of electrical. She said she had a file for those wanting to sell and would try and match up peeps entering. I had already had mine sold before I notified her
And, i had sold my open spots and stall to someone else, so mine was kinda nightmare entry..she is collecting money from them when they check in and sending me a check monday.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | nettieb3 - 2014-04-30 10:30 PM Scott did you try and sell yours? I was fortunate to be able to sell mine. and she was very helpful in taking care of electrical. She said she had a file for those wanting to sell and would try and match up peeps entering. I had already had mine sold before I notified her
And, i had sold my open spots and stall to someone else, so mine was kinda nightmare entry..she is collecting money from them when they check in and sending me a check monday.
They can have it, Nettie. I only paid into the pole bending slot race and was pumped for it. Still, I knew I wasn't sure I would go even at that point because of all the activity with this virus. I was planning on late entering. I really don't have a dog in this fight other than I feel that some people who are paid in and can't get a refund are going to coerce themselves into going. I think a lot of people would opt out if they knew they could get a partial refund, under the circumstances....like they are offering in Iowa. I hope they get away with it and they probably will.....but if they don't there will be a lot of finger pointing, and I hate to see that happen. For me it's not about the money, personally. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | Barrels&Babies - 2014-05-01 9:06 PM The producers of the Big J Barrel Blast have given contestants until tomorrow at noon to receive a 60% refund. That show is at NCC in Waterloo, IA May 2-4
Good for them. This is exactly what I was talking about in an earlier post. I think most contestants would understand that the producers have spent money prior to the show to hold the event and that they cannot give a full refund back. All of the horse community needs to share in the responsibility of getting this virus contained. That means staying home until it is under control. |
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Location: western Nebraska | In the case of my barrel race that was scheduled for this weekend-I was lucky enough that I could get another weekend for the end of the month. I got the motel rooms, announcer, help, everything changed. We don't have as big a barrel race as you all are talking about -but over the 3 days last year had about 700 runs. But these women are my friends and I would hate if they came to support my race and then something happened to one of their horses. The vets are saying now that by the end of May we should be all clear to go.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | doglady - 2014-05-01 10:09 AM In the case of my barrel race that was scheduled for this weekend-I was lucky enough that I could get another weekend for the end of the month. I got the motel rooms, announcer, help, everything changed. We don't have as big a barrel race as you all are talking about -but over the 3 days last year had about 700 runs. But these women are my friends and I would hate if they came to support my race and then something happened to one of their horses. The vets are saying now that by the end of May we should be all clear to go.
I respect you for doing the right thing, Martee. That's why people look up to you and respect you, because in a way you are an ambassador of our sport, having competed at the very higest levels with success. That's what a leader does. Nebraska has only had a fraction of the cases we've had up here. How many reported cases have you had? Up here we are smack dab in the middle of it. It all started up here a couple months ago. Just one week ago they euthanized one in Wisconsin, and yet they somehow have this confidence that everything has passed. Between Minnesota, ND, and Wisconsin we have had the highest concentration of these cases. Compare the way they handled this in Iowa and where you are with the way this is being handled. Like I was saying, if some young lady has $500 of her hard earned money tied up in this and refunds are out of the question, if she is on the fence trying to decide whether or not to go, I'm afraid she will throw caution to the wind, especially knowing that tarps and lysol are the answer. |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 10:30 AM doglady - 2014-05-01 10:09 AM In the case of my barrel race that was scheduled for this weekend-I was lucky enough that I could get another weekend for the end of the month. I got the motel rooms, announcer, help, everything changed. We don't have as big a barrel race as you all are talking about -but over the 3 days last year had about 700 runs. But these women are my friends and I would hate if they came to support my race and then something happened to one of their horses. The vets are saying now that by the end of May we should be all clear to go.
I respect you for doing the right thing, Martee. That's why people look up to you and respect you, because in a way you are an ambassador of our sport, having competed at the very higest levels with success. That's what a leader does. Nebraska has only had a fraction of the cases we've had up here. How many reported cases have you had? Up here we are smack dab in the middle of it. It all started up here a couple months ago. Just one week ago they euthanized one in Wisconsin, and yet they somehow have this confidence that everything has passed. Between Minnesota, ND, and Wisconsin we have had the highest concentration of these cases. Compare the way they handled this in Iowa and where you are with the way this is being handled. Like I was saying, if some young lady has $500 of her hard earned money tied up in this and refunds are out of the question, if she is on the fence trying to decide whether or not to go, I'm afraid she will throw caution to the wind, especially knowing that tarps and lysol are the answer.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | There are people from Wisconsin entered in the R4R. They just put one down in Wisconsin with EHV-1 less than a week ago yet they are using these "incubation period" numbers as a way of justifying going ahead with this event. How does that work? Can someone explain this?
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 12:53 PM There are people from Wisconsin entered in the R4R. They just put one down in Wisconsin with EHV-1 less than a week ago yet they are using these "incubation period" numbers as a way of justifying going ahead with this event. How does that work? Can someone explain this?
I do not get it either. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place and sounds like they are grasping at straws to defend their choice. They say they have been in contact with Stillwater Vet Clinic but Stillwater has been very vocal about not hauling and that barrel racers need to take preventative measures. |
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Location: mn | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 12:53 PM There are people from Wisconsin entered in the R4R. They just put one down in Wisconsin with EHV-1 less than a week ago yet they are using these "incubation period" numbers as a way of justifying going ahead with this event. How does that work? Can someone explain this?
I am scratching my head at this too.
Anoka Equine Vet posted yesterday that any horses that were in Lincoln are to be considered exposed, and basically should not be traveling to other barns or events at this time. Yet, there are horses that ran in Lincoln running this weekend at R4R's.
Anoka Equine also recommends that if you are holding a show, horses arriving should have a health certificate within 7 days prior to the show, and the vet should note: “To my knowledge this horse has not been exposed to EHV-1 in the last 21 days”.
If you ask me, they are trying to give producers an out to turn away the horses that ran at Lincoln. Which probably is not a bad idea.
The statement R4R's came out with yesterday does not make any mention of this, only of tarps and sanitizer.
Someone on the R4R facebook page asked about horses from Lincoln coming, and the response was we are past the incubation period for Lincoln, so should be okay. |
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Location: ND | i have no problem with RHR putting on a race......no one actually has to go if they are worried......and honestly, i don't have a problem with money not being refunded either if you decide not go and they still put it on......some seem to act like it's their whole life savings that they are 'losing' if they don't go and this still takes place......unless something was specified in an events rules about no shows and refunds, then quit whining about it.......and if RHR puts on a race and a whole bunch of horses get sick after, it's bad PR for them and a learning lesson for those that go......
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| Have any of you actually called the producer? Or are you just assuming she will come on here and read all your opinions? Stillwater stated they didn't feel it was necessary to put the traveling restriction back into place. There's a college rodeo going on in Nebraska this weekend with horses from MN, ND, SD, WI, NE, etc. Why is no one raising their voice about that? Trust me, Race for Roses isn't the only race going on in this "EHV-1 Zone."
Keep in mind we haven't had any positive cases in the MN area since the positive result came back on 4/4. Even if the incubation period has now changed to 10-20 days, BRF will be 19 days out tomorrow. Is there risk? Absolutely. As great of risk as there was a month ago? Unlikely. The woman I was suppose to be stalled next to was at BRF, and from what I hear she isn't coming. I applaud her for making that decision.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WrapN3MN - 2014-05-01 1:32 PM Have any of you actually called the producer? Or are you just assuming she will come on here and read all your opinions? Stillwater stated they didn't feel it was necessary to put the traveling restriction back into place. There's a college rodeo going on in Nebraska this weekend with horses from MN, ND, SD, WI, NE, etc. Why is no one raising their voice about that? Trust me, Race for Roses isn't the only race going on in this "EHV-1 Zone."
Keep in mind we haven't had any positive cases in the MN area since the positive result came back on 4/4. Even if the incubation period has now changed to 10-20 days, BRF will be 19 days out tomorrow. Is there risk? Absolutely. As great of risk as there was a month ago? Unlikely. The woman I was suppose to be stalled next to was at BRF, and from what I hear she isn't coming. I applaud her for making that decision.
Flame away, dont care.
First of all, Verna knows how I feel about this. Way back in March right after all the Minnesota cases popped up they were planning on forging ahead with some district NBHA show in Verndale. I spoke up and make my opinion crystal clear and said exactly why I felt that way. Of course, I incurred the wrath of people who were self serving and had a vested interest in having that little district barrel race in Verndale. Verna and I exchanged a few PMs on FB and she started telling me that I'm not a vet and basically shouldn't say anything without knowing all the "facts". I had to "correct" her in her assessment of my knowledge of viruses, etc... I also posted on the R4R facebook page. In fact, I am one of the few who even dared post against having this event.
You say we haven't had any positive cases here in Minnesota "since the last positive case came out on 4/4". What about the "positive case that was euthanized right next door in Wisconsin last week? Are you saying there won't be Wisconsin horses at the R4R?
Like I said, I hope they get away with it....if the do, that's exactly what it will be....fortuitous. We all do risky things......I hope this is one time when "we" get away with it, because if we aren't, the blame game will commence. I don't know anything about that rodeo you are talking about, but I do know that events in places where the "risk" is lower are being cancelled and at least partial refunds are being offered. Peronally, it makes no difference to me. I just think right is right.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I stand corrected. I just found out that that virus that killed the horse next door in Wisconsin a few days ago hates Minnesota and he doesn't like Norweigians. He only likes cheeseheads. He knows where the border is, and he will jump out of the trailer if it approaches the St Croix river. He's one of those super viruses....very smart. Nevermind. |
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Location: ND | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 2:16 PM I stand corrected. I just found out that that virus that killed the horse next door in Wisconsin a few days ago hates Minnesota and he doesn't like Norweigians. He only likes cheeseheads. He knows where the border is, and he will jump out of the trailer if it approaches the St Croix river. He's one of those super viruses....very smart. Nevermind. **** biotech from the govt....probably a union exposure in WI......of course they'd protect MN......**** bunch of greedy union loving socialists.....
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Location: MD | I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today."
Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down.
use information to your advantage people and producers.
And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind.
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| Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit***
The reason people are asking others not to haul is because we want the virus to die down. If people keep infecting others, it won't die down. Over 1000 people made the conscientious decision to haul to Lincoln with the risks. When we heard the virus showed up there, many of us decided it was time to stop hauling and stay home. BUT with producers not cancelling, they are inviting anyone out and about again.
With an INVISIBLE virus that SHEDS with NO symptoms....How do you know you aren't the cause? You DON'T. Which is all we are trying to say to people who think they are safe. |
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Location: MD | Nateracer - 2014-05-01 2:48 PM
Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit***
The reason people are asking others not to haul is because we want the virus to die down. If people keep infecting others, it won't die down. Over 1000 people made the conscientious decision to haul to Lincoln with the risks. When we heard the virus showed up there, many of us decided it was time to stop hauling and stay home. BUT with producers not cancelling, they are inviting anyone out and about again.
With an INVISIBLE virus that SHEDS with NO symptoms....How do you know you aren't the cause? You DON'T. Which is all we are trying to say to people who think they are safe.
then say it and be done, harping at these people that made the decision to haul anyways is only going to add fuel to the fire. I wouldn't be going anywhere if I was in that area. But if I would have made the CHOICE to haul off to a race and everyone was climbing down my back about that CHOICE I am dang sure I would be hauling all over the place in nothing but resentment towards everyone who was sassing me about it.
I certainly wouldn't be trying to argue with others if they full well knew what was going on and chose to anyways. I don't want anyone's horses sick and being put down and I don't want little Susie's pony that didn't even go anywhere to contract the virus either because another horse was just a carrier.
leave people with the information and let it go. getting into arguments with them isn't going to change their minds. |
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| I'm pretty sure in 17 pages, it was said. There actually hasn't been much for argument on this discussion. |
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Location: MD | Nateracer - 2014-05-01 3:01 PM
I'm pretty sure in 17 pages, it was said. There actually hasn't been much for argument on this discussion.
I guess I should have made it more clear as I didn't in my OP. I'm speaking more about different social media groups (ie: Facebook, twitter) BHW has been very tame and I'm excited we can all carry on adult conversations here without stomping our feet and spitting at each other. my bad |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'd say this whole debate has been pretty civilized and relatively tame. There's been spirited discussion, to be sure, but I think the only people who have been offended are the ones who know they can't come up with a good argument. I wish it was as simple as "If you want to haul, then haul....but if you don't want to haul, then don't haul." It's not that simple, and people are afraid not only for the health of their horses, but they just want to see this thing go away without dragging on into June or July, and knocking off a few more along the way. In this case, what others are deciding to do is considered by many to be putting their own animals at risk. I guess this is the price you pay for a system that depends on everyone to be responsible and exercise good judgement.
No matter what happens, this too shall pass. I just hope that cute little virus from Wisconsin decides to stay home, like the rest of us. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit***
It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit. |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM
Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit***
It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit.
If it is as bad as everyone on this post says it is, then why haven't the state vets intervened as they did in 2011? |
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Location: Kansas | A new case in Pa today
http://www.gohorseshow.com/article/Featured_Columns/Sudden_Scoop/EHV1_case_confirmed_in_Pennsylvania/39418 |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's the deal. I think this has been hashed and re-hashed time and time again over the past couple months. A lot of people many of us consider to be friends will be running at this event and others no matter what. All we can do now is hold on until the weather comes to the rescue and hope, in the meantime, that we've seen the last of this nasty bug, at least for this year. I hope everyone stays safe and everything goes on without any more repercussions. The one good thing to come out of this is it has increased awareness of things like this, so that the next time around everyone can be on the same page. Nobody wants to see our producers give up on organizing big shows because without them who is going to do this? I sure as hell won't. Without these bigger shows all we will have is small local jackpots, rodeos, and playdays. The good news is that when this starts to happen again, people will be more adept at handling all the possible contingencies....that means all of us, as well as the producers. |
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https://www.thehorse.com/articles/33810/ehv-1-confirmed-at-manitoba-canada-racetrack |
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Location: So. California | The spread of this is not going to stop until everyone stays home for a minimum of 30 days. It really is that simple. 
This is exactly what we did on the west coast in 2011... we stayed home for a minimum of 30 days, some of us even longer and it worked!! |
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Location: Wisconsin | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 3:26 PM I'd say this whole debate has been pretty civilized and relatively tame. There's been spirited discussion, to be sure, but I think the only people who have been offended are the ones who know they can't come up with a good argument. I wish it was as simple as "If you want to haul, then haul....but if you don't want to haul, then don't haul." It's not that simple, and people are afraid not only for the health of their horses, but they just want to see this thing go away without dragging on into June or July, and knocking off a few more along the way. In this case, what others are deciding to do is considered by many to be putting their own animals at risk. I guess this is the price you pay for a system that depends on everyone to be responsible and exercise good judgement.
No matter what happens, this too shall pass. I just hope that cute little virus from Wisconsin decides to stay home, like the rest of us.
Hey Hey Hey!! enough with the Wisconsin thing..Minnesota is where most the cases are from!! lol...I havent been anywhere since NOVEMBER and i feel like when i show up Im afraid, I will be frowned upon |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | nettieb3 - 2014-05-01 7:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-01 3:26 PM I'd say this whole debate has been pretty civilized and relatively tame. There's been spirited discussion, to be sure, but I think the only people who have been offended are the ones who know they can't come up with a good argument. I wish it was as simple as "If you want to haul, then haul....but if you don't want to haul, then don't haul." It's not that simple, and people are afraid not only for the health of their horses, but they just want to see this thing go away without dragging on into June or July, and knocking off a few more along the way. In this case, what others are deciding to do is considered by many to be putting their own animals at risk. I guess this is the price you pay for a system that depends on everyone to be responsible and exercise good judgement.
No matter what happens, this too shall pass. I just hope that cute little virus from Wisconsin decides to stay home, like the rest of us. Hey Hey Hey!! enough with the Wisconsin thing..Minnesota is where most the cases are from!! lol...I havent been anywhere since NOVEMBER and i feel like when i show up Im afraid, I will be frowned upon
I've seen your horses Lynette. No nice cute little virus will dare invade a cheesehead horse like yours.
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit*** It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit.
AMEN! I've always though Coggins and health papers were a JOKE. I guess if it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy then cool beans but yes, your horse could test good one week, get exposed and test positive the next. I've always thought these were nothing buy money makers for the vets. |
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| Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus???? |
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| Kgirl - 2014-05-02 6:16 AM Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus????
According to all I've read 28 days. |
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| Nateracer - 2014-05-02 7:32 AM Kgirl - 2014-05-02 6:16 AM Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus???? According to all I've read 28 days.
thankyou!
Wow... so the two week canceling of shows isn't gonna help... I'm not in any of the affected states but the life of the virus being that long it makes me concerned to haul! |
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Location: Sperry, OK | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-01 5:35 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit*** It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit. If it is as bad as everyone on this post says it is, then why haven't the state vets intervened as they did in 2011?
I never stated it was THAT bad. I just stated that making people show health papers and Coggins wasn't necessarily going to prevent anything from spreading, including EIA. And if people would just stay home for a week, it would for the most part, go away.
Griz -- you are right except it not a money maker for the vets as they are mandated by the government to pull those tests... its a government money thing! I agree! |
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Location: South Dakota | Kgirl - 2014-05-02 7:34 AM Nateracer - 2014-05-02 7:32 AM Kgirl - 2014-05-02 6:16 AM Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus???? According to all I've read 28 days.
Wow... so the two week canceling of shows isn't gonna help... I'm not in any of the affected states but the life of the virus being that long it makes me concerned to haul!
I was wondering that too, that is a long time. Does the weather affect that? If the weather completely straightened out and got real warm would it shorten that time? |
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| Timber Creek - 2014-05-02 8:17 AM Kgirl - 2014-05-02 7:34 AM Nateracer - 2014-05-02 7:32 AM Kgirl - 2014-05-02 6:16 AM Alright so i have a question and it may of already been answered in this massive thread...
If a horse is a non symptom showing - virus shedding horse... how long can that horse shed that virus???? According to all I've read 28 days.
Wow... so the two week canceling of shows isn't gonna help... I'm not in any of the affected states but the life of the virus being that long it makes me concerned to haul!
As far as a horse shedding the virus, the weather doesn't have anything to do with it.
From what I've read, it doesn't live as long on say a fence in the sunshine as it would in a damp indoor stall. I don't remember how long they said it could survive in the right environment. |
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| The gohorseshow.com article:
EHV-1 case confirmed in Pennsylvania
Published 05/01/2014 - 1:35 p.m. CDT
Taken from veterinarian, Dr. Penny Grove of Felton, Pennsylvania Facebook Page
NOTICE - regarding the EHV-1 neuro cases in VA and now in Unionville, PA a PA State Veterinarian sent out the following email today: Good afternoon. I apologize for the delay in getting this information to you. I wanted to wait until we had definitive laboratory confirmation which I just received within the past 15 minutes. Although the rumor mill has been running all day, I can confirm now that we had a case of EHV-1, neuropathic type in a horse in Unionville, Chester County. This case is related to the EHV-1 neuro case in Virginia earlier this month. As this horse was a trace-out from that situation, the premises has been under a movement restriction since last Saturday. Horses have not been coming or going from this premises since 4/3/14 when the positive horse arrived.
Please help me to get accurate information to your equine clients. Despite the sometimes severe nature of this disease and the tragedy it can be for severely affected horses and those who care for them, this situation is not a widespread calamity or cause for panic. This virus does not travel for hundreds of yards through the air as some have been saying. Yes, this is an equine-dense geographical area and we will not quarantine every horse in the greater-Unionville area, because the quarantines are based on scientific risk factors not fear. Thus horses that have known or potential exposure and their associated materials (tack, trailers, bedding, etc.) are and will be under quarantine and horses that are simply somewhere in the vicinity will not be restricted. The management and personnel of the premises involved have been very cooperative and are taking great pains to clean and disinfect the premises and to maintain the highest level of biosecurity within the premises.
In my opinion, the most important information to get out to equine owners is the simplest and should be in place always, not just when there is a known issue: don’t panic but don’t share water buckets, twitches, tack, or anything else with other equine premises, try to prevent horses from having nose to nose contact with others at shows and events where many horses are commingled, and don’t ignore signs of illness in a horse and take it to an event anyway. EHV-1 is nearly ubiquitous in equine populations in the US and we cannot predict when and where it will become a problem next.
I'm left with a few questions after reading this article...first off, is this related to the outbreak in MN/WI? The PA and VA cases are pretty obviously related according to this, but it doesn't say anything about the midwestern outbreak. Where had the VA horse (first horse infected of the two) been before that? I had not heard anything about a case in VA until I read this article.
The article from thehorse.com talked about a case in Manitoba. That case involves a racehorse. It's just a little baffling how this virus seems to be jumping around. Granted, Manitoba and Minnesota share a length of border. Maybe it's just my ignorance of the racing industry showing, but I wouldn't think that the horse would've been in contact with too many horses that weren't other racehorses?
I'm even MORE confused in light of all this new info!!! Gah! |
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Location: North Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
My concern with this is that there would be a hole, which would be naked to the eye, that would allow the "germ" in and infect the horse.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
hmm... i was thinking more of a big hampster ball.... |
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| k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 10:04 AM
The gohorseshow.com article: EHV-1 case confirmed in Pennsylvania Published 05/01/2014 - 1:35 p.m. CDT Taken from veterinarian, Dr. Penny Grove of Felton, Pennsylvania Facebook Page NOTICE - regarding the EHV-1 neuro cases in VA and now in Unionville, PA a PA State Veterinarian sent out the following email today: Good afternoon. I apologize for the delay in getting this information to you. I wanted to wait until we had definitive laboratory confirmation which I just received within the past 15 minutes. Although the rumor mill has been running all day, I can confirm now that we had a case of EHV-1, neuropathic type in a horse in Unionville, Chester County. This case is related to the EHV-1 neuro case in Virginia earlier this month. As this horse was a trace-out from that situation, the premises has been under a movement restriction since last Saturday. Horses have not been coming or going from this premises since 4/3/14 when the positive horse arrived. Please help me to get accurate information to your equine clients. Despite the sometimes severe nature of this disease and the tragedy it can be for severely affected horses and those who care for them, this situation is not a widespread calamity or cause for panic. This virus does not travel for hundreds of yards through the air as some have been saying. Yes, this is an equine-dense geographical area and we will not quarantine every horse in the greater-Unionville area, because the quarantines are based on scientific risk factors not fear. Thus horses that have known or potential exposure and their associated materials (tack, trailers, bedding, etc. ) are and will be under quarantine and horses that are simply somewhere in the vicinity will not be restricted. The management and personnel of the premises involved have been very cooperative and are taking great pains to clean and disinfect the premises and to maintain the highest level of biosecurity within the premises. In my opinion, the most important information to get out to equine owners is the simplest and should be in place always, not just when there is a known issue: don’t panic but don’t share water buckets, twitches, tack, or anything else with other equine premises, try to prevent horses from having nose to nose contact with others at shows and events where many horses are commingled, and don’t ignore signs of illness in a horse and take it to an event anyway. EHV-1 is nearly ubiquitous in equine populations in the US and we cannot predict when and where it will become a problem next. I'm left with a few questions after reading this article...first off, is this related to the outbreak in MN/WI? The PA and VA cases are pretty obviously related according to this, but it doesn't say anything about the midwestern outbreak. Where had the VA horse (first horse infected of the two ) been before that? I had not heard anything about a case in VA until I read this article. The article from thehorse.com talked about a case in Manitoba. That case involves a racehorse. It's just a little baffling how this virus seems to be jumping around. Granted, Manitoba and Minnesota share a length of border. Maybe it's just my ignorance of the racing industry showing, but I wouldn't think that the horse would've been in contact with too many horses that weren't other racehorses? I'm even MORE confused in light of all this new info!!! Gah!
I believe there have been issues on the east coast for some time. Philiadelpha park was in quarantine a few times.
http://www.theracingbiz.com/2014/03/10/pennsylvania-horsemen-lookin... |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
So...this isn't going to help if the ponies are supposed to still be breathing!
I wonder what they would think of a giant horse sized bubble? New Trail Obstacle?? |
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Location: north dakota | Nateracer - 2014-05-02 11:19 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
So...this isn't going to help if the ponies are supposed to still be breathing! I wonder what they would think of a giant horse sized bubble? New Trail Obstacle??
I think horse face masks for warm up and community areas would be helpful to prevent the spread of this virus. Bet horses would love wearing them.
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| LAC - 2014-05-02 11:14 AM
k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 10:04 AM
The gohorseshow.com article: EHV-1 case confirmed in Pennsylvania Published 05/01/2014 - 1:35 p.m. CDT Taken from veterinarian, Dr. Penny Grove of Felton, Pennsylvania Facebook Page NOTICE - regarding the EHV-1 neuro cases in VA and now in Unionville, PA a PA State Veterinarian sent out the following email today: Good afternoon. I apologize for the delay in getting this information to you. I wanted to wait until we had definitive laboratory confirmation which I just received within the past 15 minutes. Although the rumor mill has been running all day, I can confirm now that we had a case of EHV-1, neuropathic type in a horse in Unionville, Chester County. This case is related to the EHV-1 neuro case in Virginia earlier this month. As this horse was a trace-out from that situation, the premises has been under a movement restriction since last Saturday. Horses have not been coming or going from this premises since 4/3/14 when the positive horse arrived. Please help me to get accurate information to your equine clients. Despite the sometimes severe nature of this disease and the tragedy it can be for severely affected horses and those who care for them, this situation is not a widespread calamity or cause for panic. This virus does not travel for hundreds of yards through the air as some have been saying. Yes, this is an equine-dense geographical area and we will not quarantine every horse in the greater-Unionville area, because the quarantines are based on scientific risk factors not fear. Thus horses that have known or potential exposure and their associated materials (tack, trailers, bedding, etc. ) are and will be under quarantine and horses that are simply somewhere in the vicinity will not be restricted. The management and personnel of the premises involved have been very cooperative and are taking great pains to clean and disinfect the premises and to maintain the highest level of biosecurity within the premises. In my opinion, the most important information to get out to equine owners is the simplest and should be in place always, not just when there is a known issue: don’t panic but don’t share water buckets, twitches, tack, or anything else with other equine premises, try to prevent horses from having nose to nose contact with others at shows and events where many horses are commingled, and don’t ignore signs of illness in a horse and take it to an event anyway. EHV-1 is nearly ubiquitous in equine populations in the US and we cannot predict when and where it will become a problem next. I'm left with a few questions after reading this article...first off, is this related to the outbreak in MN/WI? The PA and VA cases are pretty obviously related according to this, but it doesn't say anything about the midwestern outbreak. Where had the VA horse (first horse infected of the two ) been before that? I had not heard anything about a case in VA until I read this article. The article from thehorse.com talked about a case in Manitoba. That case involves a racehorse. It's just a little baffling how this virus seems to be jumping around. Granted, Manitoba and Minnesota share a length of border. Maybe it's just my ignorance of the racing industry showing, but I wouldn't think that the horse would've been in contact with too many horses that weren't other racehorses? I'm even MORE confused in light of all this new info!!! Gah!
I believe there have been issues on the east coast for some time. Philiadelpha park was in quarantine a few times.
http://www.theracingbiz.com/2014/03/10/pennsylvania-horsemen-lookin...
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| According to the multiple vets around here that Sunlight does kill it and it thrives in cool and damp and if it were to get warm it would cut it down Immensely. |
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Location: Texas! | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-02 7:08 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-01 5:35 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit*** It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit. If it is as bad as everyone on this post says it is, then why haven't the state vets intervened as they did in 2011?
Griz -- you are right except it not a money maker for the vets as they are mandated by the government to pull those tests... its a government money thing! I agree!
Coggins is not a money maker for the gov't. The test cost like $7 at the state vet and the papers are sent free as health cert books are also free. So that extra ooh $30 you pay to the vet yea it's a money maker for the doc's I would say. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | WYOracer - 2014-05-02 12:56 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-02 7:08 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-01 5:35 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-01 3:27 PM Crowned Image - 2014-05-01 2:34 PM I'm going to bring up a topic. I hauled an awful lot in the Midwest when I was living there. different producers, different types of shows, lots of rules and regulations. Never was I once EVER asked for my coggins papers or a health certificate in my 10+ years of showing there. Sure show bills said coggins were required, but not a single person EVER stopped me and said, "where are your coggins, if you don't have them, you aren't showing today." Since I have moved to Maryland and I have hauled a few places, different organizations and such, every single place asks for at least a coggins paper. I've been asked for health certificates also. Not only do they want to see it, but they are going to make a copy of it, and make that information useful. And if you don't have it, you're not entering. Sure it's a pain, but look at the position I feel like a lot of people are in right now. And sure we're worried over here, but enforcing things like coggins papers might have been able to prevent this, or at least slow travesties like this down. use information to your advantage people and producers. And I'm going to put my big girl panties on and say this... If you want to haul, haul. If you don't, don't. you know the dangers and you know how precious your horses are to you. If someone has made the conscious decision to haul, leave them alone. they know their horses can get sick and die, and they have made that decision. You harping at them all day about it, probably isn't going to change their mind. ***zipping up my flame suit*** It is nice to know that your horse is EIA (Coggins) negative once a year, but really.. Coggins papers aren't worth the paper they are written on. You can pull blood, and 10 mins later get infected before the sample is even sent to the lab.. then you are hauling a possitive horse around for a year and don't even know it. Not to derail this thread, but since there is no madatory test for EHV, there is no way to even begin to erradicate. Making you show health papers is just the same as Coggins, your horse could be fine when the papers are written and an hour later break with fever from something... there is just no way to know if your horse is shedding or not, and if the timing is right you could have taken all the required steps and still be the one infecting others. We just need to stay home for a bit. If it is as bad as everyone on this post says it is, then why haven't the state vets intervened as they did in 2011?
Griz -- you are right except it not a money maker for the vets as they are mandated by the government to pull those tests... its a government money thing! I agree! Coggins is not a money maker for the gov't. The test cost like $7 at the state vet and the papers are sent free as health cert books are also free. So that extra ooh $30 you pay to the vet yea it's a money maker for the doc's I would say.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | cjane - 2014-05-02 1:25 PM Does any one know if the horses that were put down had current vaccinations or did the vaccines not cover this strain of EHV-1?
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Location: Bixby, Ok | Health paper forms and coggins forms are no longer free. And although
The test cost from the lab are one thing. The time it takes for us to do
All the required paperwork and send In the state copies etc. Adds up
In not only postage and costs of forms but also are time. As much
As I would love to sell my services for what the cost me I can't and
Actually make a living. That would be like you going to your job
For 40 hrs aweek ( which would be a vacation for most vets) for exactly
What it cost you to get there each week. I hate it when you guys thinks
We are all out to he rich and cheat you. My soap box for he day. Good day
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | BR-DVM - 2014-05-02 2:32 PM Health paper forms and coggins forms are no longer free. And although The test cost from the lab are one thing. The time it takes for us to do All the required paperwork and send In the state copies etc. Adds up In not only postage and costs of forms but also are time. As much As I would love to sell my services for what the cost me I can't and Actually make a living. That would be like you going to your job For 40 hrs aweek ( which would be a vacation for most vets) for exactly What it cost you to get there each week. I hate it when you guys thinks We are all out to he rich and cheat you. My soap box for he day. Good day
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Location: Texas! | BR-DVM - 2014-05-02 1:32 PM Health paper forms and coggins forms are no longer free. And although The test cost from the lab are one thing. The time it takes for us to do All the required paperwork and send In the state copies etc. Adds up In not only postage and costs of forms but also are time. As much As I would love to sell my services for what the cost me I can't and Actually make a living. That would be like you going to your job For 40 hrs aweek ( which would be a vacation for most vets) for exactly What it cost you to get there each week. I hate it when you guys thinks We are all out to he rich and cheat you. My soap box for he day. Good day
I wasn't trying to say vets are screwing us and love the free money from coggins just that it's not the government making big bucks off the mandate of coggins and HC. I know to takes time away from them doing their job as well as usually pay to a tech to help drive to the lab etc. |
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Location: north dakota | I can't post the link from my phone but there was a confirmed case in brown county SD. It was a 5 year old quarter horse mare. Had neurological symptoms. No other info about where it's been or how it contracted it. Letter was from SD animal industry board and dated today |
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Location: Small Town Iowa | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM
I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
So would you buy those in the health aisle or the pet aisle. And would they come in male and female versions???? Hmmmm.... |
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| ndcowgirl - 2014-05-02 3:19 PM I can't post the link from my phone but there was a confirmed case in brown county SD. It was a 5 year old quarter horse mare. Had neurological symptoms. No other info about where it's been or how it contracted it. Letter was from SD animal industry board and dated today
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Location: Small Town Iowa | I have had a lot of discussion around home with some pretty narrow minded people about this. And they are acting like this is only a barrel horse problem. I have read on the PA case and the Canadian case, and I just want to add that the PA case came from an eventing barn and the Canada case came from a race track. I know that this is more than a "barrel horse problem" I am just so tired of the non-barrel people thinking that they are immune to this. And I think people should quite hauling for 30 days, but as long as shows go on there will be people entering. It's like head lice in kids, if the neighbor kid has lice are you gonna send yours over to play with him? Probably not, so even though these horses look and act fine, doesn't meant that they aren't shedding for the 28 days. Common sense. Sorry but that is my rant for the day. |
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Location: South Dakota | http://www.prorodeo.com/news-display/2014/05/02/ehv-1-confirmed-in-barrell-horse-that-was-at-the-clovis-calif.-and-springville-calif.-prca-rodeos
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Location: South Dakota | In case people did not see it on facebook about the Marcie Locken Memorial barrel race in Rapid City:
!!!!!!!!!!!! With the confirmed EHV case in SD, the Kjerstad Event Center asked that we NOT have the race this weekend to help contain this. We are working on a reschedule date in July and will keep you posted. I will be working on refunding everyone their money. THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING! If you have any questions, please let me know.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. |
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 2:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Flymas Girl - 2014-05-02 3:56 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 2:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. How long ago was the Brookings barrel race?
Last weekend. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I also should add that this horse from my understanding could not have caught it from any horse that had been at Brookings or Lincoln BRF. I will do my darndest to find out more specifics as this is within 15 miles of my place. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Has this one been posted yet? Wonder if said horse was at the BRF before hitting the pro rodeos? http://www.prorodeo.com/news-display/2014/05/02/ehv-1-confirmed-in-barrel-horse-that-was-at-the-clovis-calif.-and-springville-calif.-prca-rodeos |
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Location: California | No, this horse was not at the BRF.
And the report from the CDFA is kind of confusing because they state "May 1, 2014: No additional cases." but then says "Based on the low viral load and atypical clinical signs, it is possible that EHV-1 is not the cause of disease in this horse. Out of an abundance of caution, the horse has been classified as case of EHM by CDFA and remains isolated under quarantine."
Full report:
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/animal_health/equine_herpes_virus.html
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:59 PM Flymas Girl - 2014-05-02 3:56 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 2:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. How long ago was the Brookings barrel race?
Thank you for the info |
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:07 PM I also should add that this horse from my understanding could not have caught it from any horse that had been at Brookings or Lincoln BRF. I will do my darndest to find out more specifics as this is within 15 miles of my place.
I will be thinking of you. That is scary close. I have not been anywhere since fall but I board and there have been so many horses in and out and there is a clinic there this weekend with lots of people from all over. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It feels like we are being surrounded by this stuff. I just hope this isn't some kind of bad, prolonged outbreak, the likes of which we haven't seen. Last week one from Wisconsin died from this thing. Yesterday came the report from across the border in Canada. Now this.
I have to think that the issue will solve itself when it really warms up. It looks like we will see some 60 degree days next week, but nights still in the 30s and continued rain off and on. What we need is a good week or two of dry sunny 70 degree days. Until then these cases will just keep popping up....hopefully just islolated, and not in clusters. To be honest, I'm not sure which is going to be better here this weekend at the R4R.....tie up outside in windy, cool, damp, rainy weather throughout the day, or keep them dry and warm inside, but in close quarters. Nobody knows. We can only do so much. Poor Verna.....I wouldn't trade places with her for anything. She's going to be worried sick for the next 3 weeks, I bet. The fact is there will always be people who will haul come hell or high water, and there will always be jackpots, shows, and rodeos, unless there is a strict statewide restriction, but even then there will probably be something.
Heck just last week I was riding one of my mares and she seemed sluggish and heavy. I was worried, so I just put her away. She's fine now, but this has been weighing heavy on everyone's mind. Carol is hauling up here from Texas with 4 horses in 3-4 weeks. If anything happens to one of those nice horses I'll never forgive myself. That is another reason why I decided not to go a couple days ago. I would just hate to hear of any of our BBs who breed raise nice horses get a couple with this crap. For example, what if RockinAS got this sh!t in her herd? She wouldn't get a decent night's sleep for a month. Just so much uncertainty with this recent stuff. Even the vets are puzzled. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 4:07 PM I also should add that this horse from my understanding could not have caught it from any horse that had been at Brookings or Lincoln BRF. I will do my darndest to find out more specifics as this is within 15 miles of my place.
What I am not sure about, Val, is whether any of the horses from this facility are still "cooking" the disease and it hasn't manifest itself yet, and if that's the case, could others be exposed because of a horse with the virus who hasn't yet developed symptoms. Do you see what I mean? |
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Location: Here | Just like humans that swear OH IT IS just allergies and the next thing you know you have the crud.... if you are your horse is sick or has been sick please stay home |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Flymas Girl - 2014-05-02 4:21 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:07 PM I also should add that this horse from my understanding could not have caught it from any horse that had been at Brookings or Lincoln BRF. I will do my darndest to find out more specifics as this is within 15 miles of my place. I will be thinking of you. That is scary close. I have not been anywhere since fall but I board and there have been so many horses in and out and there is a clinic there this weekend with lots of people from all over.
The really scary thing is at the BRF there were 2 horses that were nose to nose with my 3 that are now dead. So far so good. Everyone is still healthy as a horse but if I make it through this I'm truly blessed......and I'm going to buy a lottery ticket in which Nateracer thinks she gets a share of the winnings. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM
Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race.
This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 4:40 PM Flymas Girl - 2014-05-02 4:21 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:07 PM I also should add that this horse from my understanding could not have caught it from any horse that had been at Brookings or Lincoln BRF. I will do my darndest to find out more specifics as this is within 15 miles of my place. I will be thinking of you. That is scary close. I have not been anywhere since fall but I board and there have been so many horses in and out and there is a clinic there this weekend with lots of people from all over.
Heck yeah! We've been keeping each other sane for more than a month! That has to be worth something! |
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| k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM
Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race.
This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in?
That sucks! Prayers for you and your horse! |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in?
No clue. No horses in or out of there. I'll pray for your horse. IMO that barn is a breeding ground for funkiness. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 4:50 PM
k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in?
I know the Paul Humphrey clinic they were having there was supposed to start today. Did the press release make it out before people started showing up? I would assume they are canceling the clinic. |
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My goodness!! People please JUST STAY HOME!! I haven't been out of town in a long time and it looks like I won't be if this keeps up!! |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:51 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 4:50 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? I know the Paul Humphrey clinic they were having there was supposed to start today. Did the press release make it out before people started showing up? I would assume they are canceling the clinic.
From my understanding yes the clinic was canceled. I think Paul got here yesterday. |
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:40 PM Flymas Girl - 2014-05-02 4:21 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:07 PM I also should add that this horse from my understanding could not have caught it from any horse that had been at Brookings or Lincoln BRF. I will do my darndest to find out more specifics as this is within 15 miles of my place. I will be thinking of you. That is scary close. I have not been anywhere since fall but I board and there have been so many horses in and out and there is a clinic there this weekend with lots of people from all over.
That is very scary! I am glad to hear everything is fine so far. I pray for mine everday as I am sure you do as well. |
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Location: Wisconsin | From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around.
The vet reports have said the midwest horses ARE NEUROLOGICAL! There is no false reporting as far as that matter goes and the owner of one of the horses that was lost is on the boards and if you look back enough pages you'll see her posts about it. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 4:58 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. The vet reports have said the midwest horses ARE NEUROLOGICAL! There is no false reporting as far as that matter goes and the owner of one of the horses that was lost is on the boards and if you look back enough pages you'll see her posts about it.
They are testing negative for the KNOWN neurological strain, but are showing neurological symptoms. The vets are calling it a Wild strain. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Nateracer - 2014-05-02 5:10 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 4:58 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. The vet reports have said the midwest horses ARE NEUROLOGICAL! There is no false reporting as far as that matter goes and the owner of one of the horses that was lost is on the boards and if you look back enough pages you'll see her posts about it.
Thank you, that is exactly the problem. All people are reading is that they have EHV at this point and assuming it is all the same strain. The midwest horses have a mutated strain of the NON-NEOROLOGICAL form. Where the first two east coast horses were the actual neurological strain. The rodeo horse from California seems to have the mutant strain that the midwest horses do. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 4:22 PM It feels like we are being surrounded by this stuff. I just hope this isn't some kind of bad, prolonged outbreak, the likes of which we haven't seen. Last week one from Wisconsin died from this thing. Yesterday came the report from across the border in Canada. Now this.
I have to think that the issue will solve itself when it really warms up. It looks like we will see some 60 degree days next week, but nights still in the 30s and continued rain off and on. What we need is a good week or two of dry sunny 70 degree days. Until then these cases will just keep popping up....hopefully just islolated, and not in clusters. To be honest, I'm not sure which is going to be better here this weekend at the R4R.....tie up outside in windy, cool, damp, rainy weather throughout the day, or keep them dry and warm inside, but in close quarters. Nobody knows. We can only do so much. Poor Verna.....I wouldn't trade places with her for anything. She's going to be worried sick for the next 3 weeks, I bet. The fact is there will always be people who will haul come hell or high water, and there will always be jackpots, shows, and rodeos, unless there is a strict statewide restriction, but even then there will probably be something.
Heck just last week I was riding one of my mares and she seemed sluggish and heavy. I was worried, so I just put her away. She's fine now, but this has been weighing heavy on everyone's mind. Carol is hauling up here from Texas with 4 horses in 3-4 weeks. If anything happens to one of those nice horses I'll never forgive myself. That is another reason why I decided not to go a couple days ago. I would just hate to hear of any of our BBs who breed raise nice horses get a couple with this crap. For example, what if RockinAS got this sh!t in her herd? She wouldn't get a decent night's sleep for a month. Just so much uncertainty with this recent stuff. Even the vets are puzzled.
This is a huge part of the reason why RockinAS has grounded herself for at least 2 more weeks. Possibly longer if this crap keeps going on. I have stayed home since the BRF in Lincoln. My competition horses are kept seperate from the breeding horses, but I am not taking any chances at all. |
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | Just seen a horse tested positive in eastern South Dakota ( brown county) didn't say where the horse may have gotten it. Just says a 5 year old quarter horse mare. She is being treated at a local vet clinic. Can't help but wonder if it's another BRF horse? |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Barrels&Babies - 2014-05-02 5:57 PM Just seen a horse tested positive in eastern South Dakota ( brown county) didn't say where the horse may have gotten it. Just says a 5 year old quarter horse mare. She is being treated at a local vet clinic. Can't help but wonder if it's another BRF horse?
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | rockinas - 2014-05-02 6:02 PM
Barrels&Babies - 2014-05-02 5:57 PM Just seen a horse tested positive in eastern South Dakota ( brown county) didn't say where the horse may have gotten it. Just says a 5 year old quarter horse mare. She is being treated at a local vet clinic. Can't help but wonder if it's another BRF horse?
It's not. It's not even a barrel horse from my understanding.
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Location: So. California | Calibarrelrcr - 2014-05-02 2:16 PM No, this horse was not at the BRF.
And the report from the CDFA is kind of confusing because they state "May 1, 2014: No additional cases." but then says " Based on the low viral load and atypical clinical signs, it is possible that EHV-1 is not the cause of disease in this horse. Out of an abundance of caution, the horse has been classified as case of EHM by CDFA and remains isolated under quarantine."
Full report:
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/animal_health/equine_herpes_virus.html
Was this horse anywhere in the midwest in the last 30 days? The report says they are not sure what the California horse has, but in an abundance of caution have it quarantined.
Many prayers for the horse/owner and that it is not the crud from the midwest...
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 9:21 AM
I have the perfect solution: Equine total body condoms.
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | doglady - 2014-05-02 5:30 PM
I know of several horses that were at Lincoln, then OK, then on to Guymon for the rodeo. I bet one of them isn't planning on staying home anytime soon.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | rockinas - 2014-05-02 5:25 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 4:22 PM It feels like we are being surrounded by this stuff. I just hope this isn't some kind of bad, prolonged outbreak, the likes of which we haven't seen. Last week one from Wisconsin died from this thing. Yesterday came the report from across the border in Canada. Now this.
I have to think that the issue will solve itself when it really warms up. It looks like we will see some 60 degree days next week, but nights still in the 30s and continued rain off and on. What we need is a good week or two of dry sunny 70 degree days. Until then these cases will just keep popping up....hopefully just islolated, and not in clusters. To be honest, I'm not sure which is going to be better here this weekend at the R4R.....tie up outside in windy, cool, damp, rainy weather throughout the day, or keep them dry and warm inside, but in close quarters. Nobody knows. We can only do so much. Poor Verna.....I wouldn't trade places with her for anything. She's going to be worried sick for the next 3 weeks, I bet. The fact is there will always be people who will haul come hell or high water, and there will always be jackpots, shows, and rodeos, unless there is a strict statewide restriction, but even then there will probably be something.
Heck just last week I was riding one of my mares and she seemed sluggish and heavy. I was worried, so I just put her away. She's fine now, but this has been weighing heavy on everyone's mind. Carol is hauling up here from Texas with 4 horses in 3-4 weeks. If anything happens to one of those nice horses I'll never forgive myself. That is another reason why I decided not to go a couple days ago. I would just hate to hear of any of our BBs who breed raise nice horses get a couple with this crap. For example, what if RockinAS got this sh!t in her herd? She wouldn't get a decent night's sleep for a month. Just so much uncertainty with this recent stuff. Even the vets are puzzled. This is a huge part of the reason why RockinAS has grounded herself for at least 2 more weeks. Possibly longer if this crap keeps going on. I have stayed home since the BRF in Lincoln. My competition horses are kept seperate from the breeding horses, but I am not taking any chances at all.
I've stayed home since BRF and I'm not leaving any time soon either....pre-entries be ****ed! It rained, I have beautiful green pastures and fresh dug fields to ride through. I'm going to let my horses chill for a while and just ride. I'm also keeping them separate from all others. |
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| Nateracer - 2014-05-02 4:50 PM
k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM
Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race.
This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in?
That sucks! Prayers for you and your horse!
Thank you Nateracer! I know Little Brandy's stall is in the opposite wing of the barn from most of the training horses, so fingers crossed. She is without a doubt the best filly we have ever raised, in every way possible, and it would be an absolute killer to have her get sick or God forbid lose her. Mom took a dose of Zylexis down for her tonight. Praying very hard for her and for the sick horse. |
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM
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Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race.
This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in?
Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Barrels&Babies - 2014-05-02 6:11 PM rockinas - 2014-05-02 6:02 PM Barrels&Babies - 2014-05-02 5:57 PM Just seen a horse tested positive in eastern South Dakota ( brown county) didn't say where the horse may have gotten it. Just says a 5 year old quarter horse mare. She is being treated at a local vet clinic. Can't help but wonder if it's another BRF horse? It's not. It's not even a barrel horse from my understanding. Thanks for clarifying.
Its a boarding/training barn and this particular horse was brought in for training. They do training for mostly peanut pushers (that'll get the fight switched to a different subject LOL). I'm trying to find out how long its been there and where it came from prior to coming to the barn. I hate how everyone is being so secretive so far like covering it up will make it go away. I give barrels&babies a huge kudos for coming forward and being informative! Thank you!! |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings?
Yes there are horses/riders affilitated with this barn that were at Brookings. |
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 8:22 PM
LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings?
Im going to have an anxiety attack. I had my horses at that race. It was supposed to be safe to haul again. If anything happens to either of my girls I will never ever forgive myself. |
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LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings?
Im going to have an anxiety attack. I had my horses at that race. It was supposed to be safe to haul again. If anything happens to either of my girls I will never ever forgive myself.
LDH I am in the same boat! I first saw the press release and heard what barn it was at while I was still at work, and was sitting in my office shaking and sweating. Not even kidding. Boss offered to buy everyone a round at the end of the day and I gladly accepted! The next couple weeks will be nerve wracking. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | LDH - 2014-05-02 8:26 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 8:22 PM LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings? Im going to have an anxiety attack. I had my horses at that race. It was supposed to be safe to haul again. If anything happens to either of my girls I will never ever forgive myself.
For all of us that weren't in the "hot zone" were told it was safe to go to the BRF too. I've been sticking thermometers up my horses butts twice a day since those gals lost their horses. Yeah - its a crappy deal to say the least. |
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Location: Florida.. | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 9:38 PM LDH - 2014-05-02 8:26 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 8:22 PM LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings? Im going to have an anxiety attack. I had my horses at that race. It was supposed to be safe to haul again. If anything happens to either of my girls I will never ever forgive myself.
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Location: Here | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around.
You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? |
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| A little giggle in the middle of all this seriousness... I shared the link for the SD press release on my Facebook. My (nonhorsey) cousin commented, tongue in cheek, "Sounds like the horses in SD need to start practicing safe sex!"
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| SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM
Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around.
You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ?
If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! |
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Location: Here | k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong!
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Location: Wisconsin | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 8:38 PM LDH - 2014-05-02 8:26 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 8:22 PM LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings? Im going to have an anxiety attack. I had my horses at that race. It was supposed to be safe to haul again. If anything happens to either of my girls I will never ever forgive myself.
Unfortunately they dont know enoughabout this crap. I can tell you what I know...This VIRUS does not have a calendar! So when peeps say if last person was diagnosed on May 1..then we should be able to get back on the road May 15th! not 14th or 16th. Im just baffled. Prayers to those people who have lost their partners |
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Location: Florida.. | nettieb3 - 2014-05-02 10:59 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 8:38 PM LDH - 2014-05-02 8:26 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 8:22 PM LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings? Im going to have an anxiety attack. I had my horses at that race. It was supposed to be safe to haul again. If anything happens to either of my girls I will never ever forgive myself.
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Location: Too far from home | rockinas - 2014-05-02 5:25 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 4:22 PM It feels like we are being surrounded by this stuff. I just hope this isn't some kind of bad, prolonged outbreak, the likes of which we haven't seen. Last week one from Wisconsin died from this thing. Yesterday came the report from across the border in Canada. Now this.
I have to think that the issue will solve itself when it really warms up. It looks like we will see some 60 degree days next week, but nights still in the 30s and continued rain off and on. What we need is a good week or two of dry sunny 70 degree days. Until then these cases will just keep popping up....hopefully just islolated, and not in clusters. To be honest, I'm not sure which is going to be better here this weekend at the R4R.....tie up outside in windy, cool, damp, rainy weather throughout the day, or keep them dry and warm inside, but in close quarters. Nobody knows. We can only do so much. Poor Verna.....I wouldn't trade places with her for anything. She's going to be worried sick for the next 3 weeks, I bet. The fact is there will always be people who will haul come hell or high water, and there will always be jackpots, shows, and rodeos, unless there is a strict statewide restriction, but even then there will probably be something.
Heck just last week I was riding one of my mares and she seemed sluggish and heavy. I was worried, so I just put her away. She's fine now, but this has been weighing heavy on everyone's mind. Carol is hauling up here from Texas with 4 horses in 3-4 weeks. If anything happens to one of those nice horses I'll never forgive myself. That is another reason why I decided not to go a couple days ago. I would just hate to hear of any of our BBs who breed raise nice horses get a couple with this crap. For example, what if RockinAS got this sh!t in her herd? She wouldn't get a decent night's sleep for a month. Just so much uncertainty with this recent stuff. Even the vets are puzzled. This is a huge part of the reason why RockinAS has grounded herself for at least 2 more weeks. Possibly longer if this crap keeps going on. I have stayed home since the BRF in Lincoln. My competition horses are kept seperate from the breeding horses, but I am not taking any chances at all.
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 8:31 PM
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LDH - 2014-05-02 8:18 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 4:46 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-02 3:51 PM Concerning the report in Brown County South Dakota. The first thing I want to say is its not a barrel horse!!! There is a boarding facility on the south side of Aberdeen that takes in horses for training show horses. The 5 yr old mare was brought in to the facility for training purposes. At this point I have no idea where it came from prior to coming to the facility. I've been on the phone most of the day trying to get answers. One person told me that it was the respiratory not neuro but according to the release from the State Vet, and I quote, "mare became ill with neurologic signs, including incoordination and difficulty walking". I will say this, there is a gal that boards and works out of this facility and a lot of her students also board at this facility. These people WERE at the Brookings, SD barrel race. This is absolutely terrifying for me. We have a horse at that barn with one of the trainers. Will be doing a LOT of praying. Has anyone heard how long ago this horse was brought in? Im having a bit of a mental break down here. The horses from the barn where this horse is sick were at the barrel race in Brookings?
Im going to have an anxiety attack. I had my horses at that race. It was supposed to be safe to haul again. If anything happens to either of my girls I will never ever forgive myself.
LDH I am in the same boat! I first saw the press release and heard what barn it was at while I was still at work, and was sitting in my office shaking and sweating. Not even kidding. Boss offered to buy everyone a round at the end of the day and I gladly accepted! The next couple weeks will be nerve wracking.
I started bawling at a friends house. They aren't horse people so they have no idea what im talking about but I think I freaked them out pretty good with my sobbing and shaking and cussing that it was now too late to call my vet freaking out. I talked to 3 vets and the producers of the race before I hauled and got the all clear to go. And now Im first hand dealing with it. My horses are my whole world, if one of my horses gets sick I honestly don't know what I will do. my horses are my babies. I will never forgive myself if something happens to them. |
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| I am from Central Wisconsin and I just love how all our local nbha and Ibra shows have been cancelled for the next two weeks (where the risk of contracting is significantly less due to it being local and a lot less entries. Plus one show was suppose to be outside) while Waterloo and RHR are still being held. Where the risk is more inmanant because of the number or entires and bigger scope of where people are traveling from... Makes no sense to me. |
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Location: Wisconsin | SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
The links to stillwater equine have already been posted along withthe links for the Kentucy horse. They have neurological symtoms, yes! But they are not the same neurological strain that Utah had, All test results have come back for the midwest horses as a non-neorological test. My point to my initial post was that people are linking horses to the same strain with different test results. |
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Location: Here | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put.
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Location: Wisconsin | SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put.
People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point. |
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Location: sunny california | i fail to see how anyone can say these cases are linked or not linked based on test results when you take into consideration that this virus mutates and the fact that the "experts" acknowledge how much is not known about it. if someone has any references that do not have the words "appear" "my understanding is..." let me know I would like to read it |
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Location: Jersey Girl | This regards the confirmed case in PA. It is related to the Va case.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | crazy&lazy - 2014-05-02 10:29 PM rockinas - 2014-05-02 5:25 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 4:22 PM It feels like we are being surrounded by this stuff. I just hope this isn't some kind of bad, prolonged outbreak, the likes of which we haven't seen. Last week one from Wisconsin died from this thing. Yesterday came the report from across the border in Canada. Now this.
I have to think that the issue will solve itself when it really warms up. It looks like we will see some 60 degree days next week, but nights still in the 30s and continued rain off and on. What we need is a good week or two of dry sunny 70 degree days. Until then these cases will just keep popping up....hopefully just islolated, and not in clusters. To be honest, I'm not sure which is going to be better here this weekend at the R4R.....tie up outside in windy, cool, damp, rainy weather throughout the day, or keep them dry and warm inside, but in close quarters. Nobody knows. We can only do so much. Poor Verna.....I wouldn't trade places with her for anything. She's going to be worried sick for the next 3 weeks, I bet. The fact is there will always be people who will haul come hell or high water, and there will always be jackpots, shows, and rodeos, unless there is a strict statewide restriction, but even then there will probably be something.
Heck just last week I was riding one of my mares and she seemed sluggish and heavy. I was worried, so I just put her away. She's fine now, but this has been weighing heavy on everyone's mind. Carol is hauling up here from Texas with 4 horses in 3-4 weeks. If anything happens to one of those nice horses I'll never forgive myself. That is another reason why I decided not to go a couple days ago. I would just hate to hear of any of our BBs who breed raise nice horses get a couple with this crap. For example, what if RockinAS got this sh!t in her herd? She wouldn't get a decent night's sleep for a month. Just so much uncertainty with this recent stuff. Even the vets are puzzled. This is a huge part of the reason why RockinAS has grounded herself for at least 2 more weeks. Possibly longer if this crap keeps going on. I have stayed home since the BRF in Lincoln. My competition horses are kept seperate from the breeding horses, but I am not taking any chances at all.
Now if the Producers agreed with the rest of us staying home. They are still putting runs on and there's always going to be girls that will continue to haul. There's a double header in Huron tomorrow in the Beef Complex that is still going on. If the producers aren't smart enough to not have runs the facilities need to step in and say they're shutting them down. |
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Location: Here | kwanatha - 2014-05-03 7:37 AM i fail to see how anyone can say these cases are linked or not linked based on test results when you take into consideration that this virus mutates and the fact that the "experts" acknowledge how much is not known about it. if someone has any references that do not have the words "appear" "my understanding is..." let me know I would like to read it
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
No one suggested this was related to a case Lord knows how many years ago in Utah. My point to your original post was the fact that HORSES ARE DYING and you better take this serious. I'm sorry if I mis-read your post but I don't think its a good idea to poo-poo the whole thing because at this point its going to snowball and get out of hand. |
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:13 AM crazy&lazy - 2014-05-02 10:29 PM rockinas - 2014-05-02 5:25 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-02 4:22 PM It feels like we are being surrounded by this stuff. I just hope this isn't some kind of bad, prolonged outbreak, the likes of which we haven't seen. Last week one from Wisconsin died from this thing. Yesterday came the report from across the border in Canada. Now this.
I have to think that the issue will solve itself when it really warms up. It looks like we will see some 60 degree days next week, but nights still in the 30s and continued rain off and on. What we need is a good week or two of dry sunny 70 degree days. Until then these cases will just keep popping up....hopefully just islolated, and not in clusters. To be honest, I'm not sure which is going to be better here this weekend at the R4R.....tie up outside in windy, cool, damp, rainy weather throughout the day, or keep them dry and warm inside, but in close quarters. Nobody knows. We can only do so much. Poor Verna.....I wouldn't trade places with her for anything. She's going to be worried sick for the next 3 weeks, I bet. The fact is there will always be people who will haul come hell or high water, and there will always be jackpots, shows, and rodeos, unless there is a strict statewide restriction, but even then there will probably be something.
Heck just last week I was riding one of my mares and she seemed sluggish and heavy. I was worried, so I just put her away. She's fine now, but this has been weighing heavy on everyone's mind. Carol is hauling up here from Texas with 4 horses in 3-4 weeks. If anything happens to one of those nice horses I'll never forgive myself. That is another reason why I decided not to go a couple days ago. I would just hate to hear of any of our BBs who breed raise nice horses get a couple with this crap. For example, what if RockinAS got this sh!t in her herd? She wouldn't get a decent night's sleep for a month. Just so much uncertainty with this recent stuff. Even the vets are puzzled. This is a huge part of the reason why RockinAS has grounded herself for at least 2 more weeks. Possibly longer if this crap keeps going on. I have stayed home since the BRF in Lincoln. My competition horses are kept seperate from the breeding horses, but I am not taking any chances at all.
It is beyond my understanding why they have not cancelled the NBHA race in Huron....Why not follow the lead of other producers...and be proactive on this?
This type of the risk is small attitude, will just drag this whole situation longer....Wish the State Vet would just say...No Hauling to sales...clinics...competitions etc for 30 days...My goodness....we still have June...and the rest of the year to get out and compete etc..
Meanwhile...I will not be hauling anywhere...and take this time to put miles on my colt...and enjoy training at home.
Prayers for those whose horses are affected by being exposed to sick horses....and for the safety and health of all horses....
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| Here is an update as of 2 hours ago from Stillwater, mn vet.... They have not mentioned the South Dakota case even tho some one asked in the comments on Facebook. I am surprised by that...
5-3-2014 EHV update
If you missed the recent web cast by Nicola Pusterla, PhD | UC Davis on Recent Equine Herpesvirus-1 Outbreaks , it can be viewed at http://www.myhorseuniversity.com/resources
Many people have asked "are there any new cases" . Your best source for the most recent documented cases are at the state agency web sites. MN, WI, ND, KS state agency web sites are all listed (and linked) to our home page of our web site at stillwaterequine.com.
The manager of the Landcaster Event Center (LEC in Lincoln Nebraska) has posted (from the Nebraska dept of Ag) " No horses in Nebraska have been diagnosed with the disease at this time."
The event planner for the Bonus Race Finals (BRF in Lincoln , Nebraska April 7-10) has posted "To date there have been no other reports of horses showing any signs (other than the two reported cases from WI and Kansas) "of horses that were at the BRF April 7-10 (there were horses form 14 states at the BRF).
MN board of animal health has started an investigation, with the Federal agency ,to investigate the MSP (Minneapolis St Paul) outbreak. They will be sending out or delivering an extensive questionnaire to all positive case owners and some of the surrounding stabled horse owners. This investigation will try to unravel how this virus spreads and what we can do to prevent its spread.
One of the most publicized outbreaks of EHV-1 was the Ogden Utah outbreak in 2011 (cutting horses). A similar investigation was done of this outbreak. Some of the findings of this investigation were presented in the webinar referenced in the first paragraph above. Some of their finds were that Mares are more likely to get EHM, over vaccination can increase the chances of getting EHM, early treatment decreases the chances of getting EHM, and Zinc supplements can help prevent EHM.
Equine Herpes Virus Myeloencephalopathy (EHM) is the neurologic form of EHV.
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Location: Southern Wisconsin | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM
Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
Mama came back positive for EHV-1 NON NEUROTROPHIC strain but had the nuero symptoms. We haven't received the papers results from our vet this is just what they told us. I'm gunna see if I can get my hands on the actual fax from Kentucky. Maybe that will help answer some questions. Who knows, but it can't hurt. |
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Location: Wisconsin | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
I was in no way trying to "poo-poo" any of it. I'm sorry if anyone took it that way it was not my intent. My point was that trying to ball every case in the United States into one outbreak is not going to help anyone. There will (from my understanding) always be cases every year due to the nature of the virus. There is a difference (in my opinion) between the cases that are going to happen ever year and this particular outbreak. I feel like in order to try and get a hold on any type of understanding of this outbreak focus should be kept on this particular strain that this outbreak deals with. I feel as though adding every case that is unrelated and a different strain adds confusion and fuel to the rumor mills are running rampant. Next time I will keep my opinions to myself. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:39 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
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Location: Wisconsin | Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:39 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain.
I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
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| Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM
Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain.
Have they done RNA (I believe is the terminology) mapping to determine if the non neurological and neurological are related? |
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Location: Wisconsin | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM
Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain.
I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related.
I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop.
I think it would be very interesting to know if the diagnosed horses were vaccinated and if so when and with what. I know that there is no vaccination for this form of EHV but I was told it does help. I also know of people that vaccinated right before they went to the BRF and traveled anywhere for that matter. Horses normally have reactions of some sort after vaccinations and their immune systems I'm assuming could be down. I did my shots the 3rd week in March. The SD State Vet report says if your horse has had shots 9 days or over 90 days they are at risk when traveling. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM
Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop.
They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
I hadn't heard that but yes I'd like to know what that is too. In the past I've never given more than my yearly vaccination. Never given a rhino booster. Now I'm being told that every 90 days they need a booster. Maybe its always been that way and I wasn't aware of it. |
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Location: Wisconsin | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
I have been wondering the same thing. You would think that vaccinating would slightly stress the immune system, then add travel and bad weather to that. Is that the recipe for disaster or is it all just a coincidence? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop.
Nobody can answer that question. In human disease, we all have a healthy fear of dreaded HIV and AIDS. People are reluctant to even hug or shake hands with a known AIDS victim. That's because it's so dreaded and deadly, plus the stigma that goes along with it. The truth is that the HIV virus is not highly "contagious". It is said, for example, that the risk of transmission of HIV if you are accidentally stuck with a contaminated needle from an HIV-positive patient is about 0.3%.....three in a thousand. If you have "mucocutaneous" exposure (ie: unprotected sex), that risk is 0.1%.
I think many more horses are actually "exposed" to the virus under these circumstances. It's just that a relative few actually get sick from it, and we don't know why for sure. We don't know what "factors" in a given horse makes them more or less susceptible to the development of actual illness. Everyone makes generalized blanket statements (ie: good nutrition, etc...) but nobody really knows for sure. If a person contracts the HIV virus after a single exposure, is it just bad luck, or were there factors that made that person more susceptible? The trick is to find out commonalities amongst the unfortunates who seroconvert from - to +, and identify which of them is significant.
Maybe it's that some horses have weak "cytokines" which are mediators of inflammation in the immune response. Maybe there's a defect in something like TNF ("tumor necrosis factor"), etc... Maybe ones most susceptable had a previous minor respiratory infection within the past month, and maybe the owner never realized it? Factors in nutrition, the environment, past exposure to other viruses, past immunizations, and inborn factors all need to be considered.
My point is there is much more that we don't know about this illness than we actually know. This is why it's the blind leading the blind, more or less. One thing that is most agreed upon is we probably minimize risk by staying home at least until it warms up and this passes. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:22 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
I'm not picking on you, but this is a very common myth and misconception. Some people have this notion in their head that vaccines somehow "weaken" the immune system. It's just the opposite.
Vaccines are designed to "prime" the immune system against a bacterium or virus. A vaccine generally takes about 3 weeks to get everything "primed". That's the typical length of time for the entire immune system to gear up.....ready to quickly identify a specific "antigen" and mount a quicker, more intense, stronger response.
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Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:22 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
Vaccines are designed to "prime" the immune system against a bacterium or virus. A vaccine generally takes about 3 weeks to get everything "primed". That's the typical length of time for the entire immune system to gear up.....ready to quickly identify a specific "antigen" and mount a quicker, more intense, stronger response.
You aren't alone. A lot of people have this notion that vaccines "weaken the immune system".
The way my vet described the horses immune system is much more vigilant then a humans.
If someone vaccinates repeatedly to the point of overvaccination (definition I would love to know) the memory cells are on high alert, when the horse breathes in the spore, the memory cells signal the alarm and the white blood cells go on the full attack causing inflammation in the airway, which then causes increased stress of breathing which then leads to a domino effect.
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Location: Wisconsin | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 11:37 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:22 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
Vaccines are designed to "prime" the immune system against a bacterium or virus. A vaccine generally takes about 3 weeks to get everything "primed". That's the typical length of time for the entire immune system to gear up.....ready to quickly identify a specific "antigen" and mount a quicker, more intense, stronger response.
You aren't alone. A lot of people have this notion that vaccines "weaken the immune system".
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:52 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 11:37 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:22 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
Vaccines are designed to "prime" the immune system against a bacterium or virus. A vaccine generally takes about 3 weeks to get everything "primed". That's the typical length of time for the entire immune system to gear up.....ready to quickly identify a specific "antigen" and mount a quicker, more intense, stronger response.
You aren't alone. A lot of people have this notion that vaccines "weaken the immune system".
I think I can help people understand this better if I explain some facts. I think people feel that exposure to "all those vaccines" is just too much for the body's immune system to handle in such a short timespan. I can understand how people think that way....especially if there are naturipaths, quacks, and snake oil salesmen out there promoting these myths (usually for their own profit).
When a person is exposed to a antigen such as a virus, a bacteria, or a toxin, he develops antibodies that are very specific against that antigen. That person can have billions of different antibodies to antigens, but along comes something new and they get sicker because they don't have those antibodies right away. We are exposed to tens of thousands of different antigens on a daily basis. Throwing in vaccines in no way "weakens us". It's just an insurance policy we take out that makes certain we are naturally immune to specific deadly or harmful infections. If a person is exposed to 15000 antigens in a given day and he is given a vaccine, that makes 15001. We can handle it way more than we realize. We have the ability to generate antibodies to billions of different antigens. Vaccines just insure the important ones are covered. Our bodies react to vaccines the same way we react to antigens we are exposed to in nature. In other words, vaccinations are as natural as anything we do. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 11:37 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:22 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
Vaccines are designed to "prime" the immune system against a bacterium or virus. A vaccine generally takes about 3 weeks to get everything "primed". That's the typical length of time for the entire immune system to gear up.....ready to quickly identify a specific "antigen" and mount a quicker, more intense, stronger response.
You aren't alone. A lot of people have this notion that vaccines "weaken the immune system". The way my vet described the horses immune system is much more vigilant then a humans. If someone vaccinates repeatedly to the point of overvaccination (definition I would love to know ) the memory cells are on high alert, when the horse breathes in the spore, the memory cells signal the alarm and the white blood cells go on the full attack causing inflammation in the airway, which then causes increased stress of breathing which then leads to a domino effect.
Your vet sort of has the right idea, but he's wrong. Vaccines don't amplify respiratory allergies or reactive airway disease....unless the horse has an allergic reaction to the vaccine itself and shows airway symptoms. Remember, the immune system is very specific. If a horse is prone to reactive airway disease, his response to agents that provoke a response is exaggerated. This is one area where our immune system isn't always perfect. THere are some people who feel that vaccines in asthmatics leads to a surge of asthma attacks, but for the most part that hasn't been shown, with a couple exceptions, one being the live attenuated flu vaccine in kids with asthma. |
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Location: Wisconsin | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 1:15 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:52 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 11:37 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:22 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
Vaccines are designed to "prime" the immune system against a bacterium or virus. A vaccine generally takes about 3 weeks to get everything "primed". That's the typical length of time for the entire immune system to gear up.....ready to quickly identify a specific "antigen" and mount a quicker, more intense, stronger response.
You aren't alone. A lot of people have this notion that vaccines "weaken the immune system".
When a person is exposed to a antigen such as a virus, a bacteria, or a toxin, he develops antibodies that are very specific against that antigen. That person can have billions of different antibodies to antigens, but along comes something new and they get sicker because they don't have those antibodies right away. We are exposed to tens of thousands of different antigens on a daily basis. Throwing in vaccines in no way "weakens us". It's just an insurance policy we take out that makes certain we are naturally immune to specific deadly or harmful infections. If a person is exposed to 15000 antigens in a given day and he is given a vaccine, that makes 15001. We can handle it way more than we realize. We have the ability to generate antibodies to billions of different antigens. Vaccines just insure the important ones are covered. Our bodies react to vaccines the same way we react to antigens we are exposed to in nature. In other words, vaccinations are as natural as anything we do.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 1:33 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 11:37 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:22 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
Vaccines are designed to "prime" the immune system against a bacterium or virus. A vaccine generally takes about 3 weeks to get everything "primed". That's the typical length of time for the entire immune system to gear up.....ready to quickly identify a specific "antigen" and mount a quicker, more intense, stronger response.
You aren't alone. A lot of people have this notion that vaccines "weaken the immune system". The way my vet described the horses immune system is much more vigilant then a humans. If someone vaccinates repeatedly to the point of overvaccination (definition I would love to know ) the memory cells are on high alert, when the horse breathes in the spore, the memory cells signal the alarm and the white blood cells go on the full attack causing inflammation in the airway, which then causes increased stress of breathing which then leads to a domino effect.
This is the current research results being done in the past few years. Horses are different then humans.
This is why more vets are starting to say the current guidelines are causing overvaccination.
I have valued you opinion in the past, but I will believe the equine vet when it comes to horses.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm sorry, but you are going to have to explain it better than that to convince me that your hypothesis is correct. I'm open to changing my position if I can see some credible proof other than your statement. I want to know how a vaccine accomplishes this. I'd love to see some of that research and clinical data. They used to say that about human reactive airway disease too, but clinical studies haven't born that out, for the most part. As far as over vaccinating, I think there might be some vaccines that don't have to be given as often as they are, like rabies. There's probably a lot of guess work there. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Barrels&Babies - 2014-05-03 9:15 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 8:16 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:52 AM SG. - 2014-05-03 6:45 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 6:28 AM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:22 PM k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-02 9:16 PM SG. - 2014-05-02 9:05 PM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-02 4:56 PM From what I am understanding the horses on the east coast have the neurological strain. The horses in the midwest and the Kentucky horse have a non-neorlogical strain. So I ammassuming they are not connected at all and really have no relevence to the midwest. I understand this is serious, but there seems to be A LOT of false information going around. You are wrong it mutates from the non-neurological to the neurological Please don't pass false information and so far unless you can post the link there are no east coast horses are there ? If you go back through this thread, there was a link posted referencing cases in PA & VA. It doesn't sound like they are related to the Midwest outbreak though from what I understand. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong! she said the midwest had the non-neuro. it is the non-neuro that is mutating into neuro and killing horses. There still is Ehv going around, but it is when it mutates to the neuro that is causing the deaths
I pray everyone just stays put. People linking horses together that do not have the same strain. That was the point, linking horses with different strains together. This thing is big enough without people adding in non-related cases. That was the point. Mama came back positive for EHV-1 NON NEUROTROPHIC strain but had the nuero symptoms. We haven't received the papers results from our vet this is just what they told us. I'm gunna see if I can get my hands on the actual fax from Kentucky. Maybe that will help answer some questions. Who knows, but it can't hurt.
One horse that was put down in Minnesota came back negative...with the first test. then the second test, Blood test came back after horse put down was POSITIVE. And anyone who thinks a vet certificate is mistaken. This horse was checked only because they had a horse in her barn that had come up sick. This mare that she had checked (just in case) was pregnant to Confederate Leader. It was tested and temped normal on Thursday and was down on Saturday...So she told me, "can you imagine if i would have gone to a race" How awful, this horse would have exposed many! |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 2:15 PM
I'm sorry, but you are going to have to explain it better than that to convince me that your hypothesis is correct. I'm open to changing my position if I can see some credible proof other than your statement. I want to know how a vaccine accomplishes this. I'd love to see some of that research and clinical data. They used to say that about human reactive airway disease too, but clinical studies haven't born that out, for the most part. As far as over vaccinating, I think there might be some vaccines that don't have to be given as often as they are, like rabies. There's probably a lot of guess work there.
Rethinking Equine Vaccinations this is a 2 part series. Dr Jean Dodds DMV published in Interpgrative Veterinary Care Journal.
I don't have access to pub med at home, but since you are a doctor I guess you would, you can gather your own information.
Dr dePaulo has a couple of posts on his own webpage, he explains it good, but I cannot say it is a scholarly article as he doesn't list any references, nor is it peer reviewed.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 6:28 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 2:15 PM
I'm sorry, but you are going to have to explain it better than that to convince me that your hypothesis is correct. I'm open to changing my position if I can see some credible proof other than your statement. I want to know how a vaccine accomplishes this. I'd love to see some of that research and clinical data. They used to say that about human reactive airway disease too, but clinical studies haven't born that out, for the most part. As far as over vaccinating, I think there might be some vaccines that don't have to be given as often as they are, like rabies. There's probably a lot of guess work there.
Rethinking Equine Vaccinations this is a 2 part series. Dr Jean Dodds DMV published in Interpgrative Veterinary Care Journal.
I don't have access to pub med at home, but since you are a doctor I guess you would, you can gather your own information.
Dr dePaulo has a couple of posts on his own webpage, he explains it good, but I cannot say it is a scholarly article as he doesn't list any references, nor is it peer reviewed.
I looked it up. Dr Dodd's article is readily available:
http://www.ivcjournal.com/articles/rethinking-equine-vaccinations-p...
This was published in a journal of "integrative" equine medicine. Integrative refers to a specialty that attempts to blend naturipathic with traditional medicine. I didn't see much to suggest what you are suggesting in either part I or part II. I could have missed something, so if you find it, let me know. I do agree with much of what she was suggesting in that there is weak evidence to support vaccinating as often as some are administered.
There could well be some adverse effects of vaccinating more frequently than is necessary. Just what constitutes "over vaccinating" wasn't well defined.
Here is the excerpt from the article that comes closest to your contention:
"The prevalence and severity of equine influenza has prompted many vets to routinely vaccinate. Show and racehorses are frequently done on the same two- to three-month schedule as EHV. However, in older horses, vaccination has been associated with vasculitis and purpura (bruising), as well as dysbiosis (disruption of normal body functions leading to colic, laminitis and founder) so it’s important to carefully consider the pros and cons of vaccinating an older horse. Heavily vaccinated horses appear more likely to develop a chronic cough after an EIV infection (which can still occur in frequently vaccinated horses)."
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HV-1 confirmed in barrel horse that was at the Clovis, Calif. and Springville, Calif. PRCA rodeos Please be advised that the PRCA has learned from the California Department of Food and Agriculture confirmation of a barrel horse with EHV-1 that competed at the Clovis, Calif. Rodeo then was taken to the Springville, Calif. Rodeo last weekend. See the Update from the Calif. Dept of Food and Ag below. This is for your information so you can take extra precautions. The most common way for this virus to spread is horse to horse contact but it can spread via equipment, facilities or people's hands or clothing. Rodeo Committees with upcoming rodeos should limit contact with timed event horses and bucking horses, limit co-mingling of horses by posting signs on fences asking contestants not to tie their horses and limit nose to nose contact due to the recent disease confirmation, print out the update below and post and have copies available at the secretary’s office and other precautions that you may deem necessary. Additional information to include in a handout to contestants would be:If you had your horse at either the Clovis, Calif. or Springville, Calif. Rodeos, contact your veterinarian for advice, take their horses temperature twice daily and report any temperature over 102 degrees to a veterinarian and to keep those horses away from other horses at events and back at their home stable for a minimum of 14 days but up to 21 days. While this horse has shown a low viral load it is definitely time to put some extra steps into place to protect rodeo livestock by taking extra bio-security precautions for both horse owners and rodeo committees. Here is the link to the California Department of Food and Ag's webpage with updates and resources, please call them with any questions. There is a wonderful biosecurity manual for events on this page that has an abundance of good information. Additionally on this page you will find resources for horse owners. http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/animal_health/equine_herpes_virus.htmlMay 1 Update from CDFA: May 1, 2014: No additional cases. The Quarter Horse mare confirmed positive for the non-neuropathogenic strain of EHV-1 is displaying mild neurological signs uncharacteristic of Equine Herpes Myeloencephalopathy (EHM ), specifically vestibular signs, abnormal prehension, and hypermetria of the right front for limb. Additionally, the positive laboratory test results indicated the mare had an extremely low viral load on nasal swab which indicated a low level of viral shedding from this infected horse. Based on the low viral load and atypical clinical signs, it is possible that EHV-1 is not the cause of disease in this horse. Out of an abundance of caution, the horse has been classified as case of EHM by CDFA and remains isolated under quarantine. The epidemiologic investigation reveals this barrel racing mare did participate in the Clovis Rodeo on Friday, April 25, 2014 and immediately following her run was shipped out to the Springville Rodeo where she did not compete. Concerned owners of horses which participated in these events can monitor their horses for clinical signs and take temperatures twice daily. Any temperature over 102F should be reported to a veterinarian for investigation. At this time there is no epidemiologic link to other EHV-1 positive horses recently detected in other states. CDFA continues to monitor the situation. |
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Location: ND | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 1:40 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 1:33 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 11:37 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 11:22 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:10 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:07 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-03 11:00 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 10:46 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-03 10:06 AM Runninonthebuck - 2014-05-03 9:54 AM Any horse that does not have the same strain that does not link back to the same strain. I'm not so sure we can say that they are necessarily not linked, can we? There's no doubting that there are a number of commonalities between these cases. Same disease expression/manifestation, same time of year, all with high mortality, same mode of transmission, all are members of the same family of viruses, etc... That, plus the fact that mutations can happen quickly, makes it hard to say they are unrelated.
To me they are all "related"....not the same, but related. I understand that they are all EHV-1. Unfortunately I think you have been right this entire time. Due to the fact that people continued to travel during the initial outbreak and those people are still on the road this weekend, the only way this will die down at this point is for a weather change. But I don't know if that will be enough. Unless they find a way to pinpoint this or stop travel I think there is a huge possibility of this sticking around for a while. I think the possibility of transmission has traveled to far to just shut down travel to a few states. Barrel racing as a whole EVERYWHERE rodeos included would have to come to a stop for at least three weeks. For anyone that doesn't think I feel this is serious my horses were possibly exposed in the beginning of the outbreak and I spent three weeks sticking a thermometer up butts twice a day. I do not mean to offend anyone but were the horses that just showed symptoms suddenly being temped daily after they came home from the bonus race? Was it possible that they were running a fever before the symptoms showed? There are a lot of what it's involved with this in my eyes yet. I analyse everything involved with this and I would like to see the vets find any kind of common denominator. How many horses were at the bonus race that could have possibly been exposed. Why just those two horses? What caused them to contract when the horse next to it did not? I think concentrating on the outbreak horses will help to find something in common and help to put a stop to this since we all know travel as a whole will not stop. They are also saying over vaccinated horses are more susceptible. I would like to know what the definition of over vaccination is
Vaccines are designed to "prime" the immune system against a bacterium or virus. A vaccine generally takes about 3 weeks to get everything "primed". That's the typical length of time for the entire immune system to gear up.....ready to quickly identify a specific "antigen" and mount a quicker, more intense, stronger response.
You aren't alone. A lot of people have this notion that vaccines "weaken the immune system". The way my vet described the horses immune system is much more vigilant then a humans. If someone vaccinates repeatedly to the point of overvaccination (definition I would love to know ) the memory cells are on high alert, when the horse breathes in the spore, the memory cells signal the alarm and the white blood cells go on the full attack causing inflammation in the airway, which then causes increased stress of breathing which then leads to a domino effect. This is the current research results being done in the past few years. Horses are different then humans. This is why more vets are starting to say the current guidelines are causing overvaccination. I have valued you opinion in the past, but I will believe the equine vet when it comes to horses.
plenty say what clients want to hear.....and these days, more and more and more clients want to be stroked about anything ''naturopathic' and 'anti-medicine'.......
i'll stick to evaluating real data and listening to those that undeerstand pathophysiology and seem to be honest about it... |
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Location: South East Kansas | Can a horse get EHV-1 from the vaccine itself or the booster?
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Location: Midwest | cjane - 2014-05-04 8:20 AM Can a horse get EHV-1 from the vaccine itself or the booster? Is that why some don't vaccinate?
No
The modified live virus is given intra-nasally
the killed virus is given IM
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | For those of us who believe in vaccines, one area where the practice of vaccinating needs to be cleaned up is establishing which vaccines should be given, in which parts of the country, and how often. Some say Rhino vaccines should be given every 3 months. That seems like overkill to me, but maybe there's something to be said for that.
Recently I have been challenged to produce proof that WNV vaccines actually work...ie: data.
The challenge is to read through the many articles and studies and then put it forth in a way that is easily understood. The statement was made that they were skeptical that the WNV vaccine actually works based on available research at the time. Back about 15 years ago up here we were hit with WNV hysteria that was well founded. One comment was "How come they haven't come out with a WNV for humans if the vaccine is so great?" It was a good question, so I was compelled to find something that was both understandable to a lay person and convincing at the same time. There is ongoing research into human WNV vaccines, but getting things like that approved by the FDA for human use is a very challenging, costly, time consuming project. The average new "pill" that comes out takes 10 years at an average cost of nearly $1 Billion even before it hits the shelf. Vaccines are even harder to study because of increased times required to evaluate the safety and efficacy. Anyway, the vaccine is on its way for humans, even though 80% of West Nile cases in humans are more flu-like illnesses.
Here's one good table that shows supports the notion of vaccinating horses against WNV, based on two groups of horses directly injected with WNV:
Vaccinated Unvaccinated Controls
Clinical Signs 10% 80%
Fever 10% 90%
Histology 10% 80%
(mild to moderate encephalitis)
WNV Viremia 0% 100%
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-04 11:51 AM
For those of us who believe in vaccines, one area where the practice of vaccinating needs to be cleaned up is establishing which vaccines should be given, in which parts of the country, and how often. Some say Rhino vaccines should be given every 3 months. That seems like overkill to me, but maybe there's something to be said for that.
Recently I have been challenged to produce proof that WNV vaccines actually work...ie: data.
The challenge is to read through the many articles and studies and then put it forth in a way that is easily understood. The statement was made that they were skeptical that the WNV vaccine actually works based on available research at the time. Back about 15 years ago up here we were hit with WNV hysteria that was well founded. One comment was "How come they haven't come out with a WNV for humans if the vaccine is so great?" It was a good question, so I was compelled to find something that was both understandable to a lay person and convincing at the same time. There is ongoing research into human WNV vaccines, but getting things like that approved by the FDA for human use is a very challenging, costly, time consuming project. The average new "pill" that comes out takes 10 years at an average cost of nearly $1 Billion even before it hits the shelf. Vaccines are even harder to study because of increased times required to evaluate the safety and efficacy. Anyway, the vaccine is on its way for humans, even though 80% of West Nile cases in humans are more flu-like illnesses.
Here's one good table that shows supports the notion of vaccinating horses against WNV, based on two groups of horses directly injected with WNV:
Vaccinated Unvaccinated Controls
Clinical Signs 10% 80%
Fever 10% 90%
Histology 10% 80%
(mild to moderate encephalitis)
WNV Viremia 0% 100%
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | No problem, Cheryl. I can find more if you like:
Siger L, et al. Assessment of the efficacy of a single dose of a recombinant vaccine against West Nile virus in response to natural challenge with West Nile virus-infected mosquitoes in horses.
American Journal of Veterinary Research 2004;65(11):1459-1462.
8Paillot R, et al. Antibody and IFN-γ responses induced by a recombinant canarypox vaccine and challenge infection with equine influenza virus. Vet Immuno Immunopathol 2006;112:225-233. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's an abstract:
Abstract November 2004, Vol. 65, No. 11, Pages 1459-1462 doi: 10.2460/ajvr.2004.65.1459 Assessment of the efficacy of a single dose of a recombinant vaccine against West Nile virus in response to natural challenge with West Nile virus-infected mosquitoes in horses Leonardo Siger , DVM, MS Richard A. Bowen , DVM, PhD Kemal Karaca , DVM, PhD Michael J. Murray , DVM, MS, DACVIMPaul W. Gordy , MS Sheena M. Loosmore , PhD Jean-Christophe F. Audonnet , DVM, PhD Robert M. Nordgren, , PhD Jules M. Minke ,DVM, PhD Merial Ltd, 115 Transtech Dr, Athens, GA 30601. (Siger, Karaca); College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80552. (Bowen, Gordy); Merial Ltd, 3239 Satellite Blvd, Duluth, GA 30096. (Murray, Nordgren,); Aventis Pasteur, Connaught Campus, 1755 Steeles Ave, Toronto M2R 3T4, ON, Canada. (Loosmore); Merial SAS Ltd, 254 rue Marcel Mérieux, Lyon 69007, France. (Audonnet, Minke) Objective—To determine the onset of immunity after IM administration of a single dose of a recombinant canarypox virus vaccine against West Nile virus (WNV) in horses in a blind challenge trial.
Animals—20 mixed-breed horses.
Procedure—Horses with no prior exposure to WNV were randomly assigned to 1 of 2 groups (10 horses/group). In 1 group, a recombinant canarypox virus vaccine against WNV was administered to each horse once (day 0). The other 10 control horses were untreated. On day 26, 9 treated and 10 control horses were challenged via the bites of mosquitoes (Aedes albopictus) infected with WNV. Clinical responses and WNV isolation were monitored for 14 days after challenge exposure; antibody responses against WNV after administration of the vaccine and challenge were also assessed in both groups.
Results—Following challenge via WNV-infected mosquitoes, 1 of 9 treated horses developed viremia. In contrast, 8 of 10 control horses developed viremia after challenge exposure to WNV-infected mosquitoes. All horses seroconverted after WNV challenge; compared with control horses, antibody responses in the horses that received the vaccine were detected earlier.
Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—In horses, a single dose of the recombinant canarypox virus-WNV vaccine appears to provide early protection against development of viremia after challenge with WNVinfected mosquitoes, even in the absence of measurable antibody titers in some horses. This vaccine may provide veterinarians with an important tool in controlling WNV infection during a natural outbreak or under conditions in which a rapid onset of protection is required. (Am J Vet Res 2004;65:1459–1462) |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-04 12:01 PM
No problem, Cheryl. I can find more if you like:
Siger L, et al. Assessment of the efficacy of a single dose of a recombinant vaccine against West Nile virus in response to natural challenge with West Nile virus-infected mosquitoes in horses.
American Journal of Veterinary Research 2004;65(11):1459-1462.
8Paillot R, et al. Antibody and IFN-? responses induced by a recombinant canarypox vaccine and challenge infection with equine influenza virus. Vet Immuno Immunopathol 2006;112:225-233.
Thanks, if you have time can you look for some more current?
2004 is quite old, and the sample size was small, and I don't like that Meril, the vaccine manufacturer was involved, there may be some bias.
Thanks again for posting it.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-04 1:52 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-04 12:01 PM No problem, Cheryl. I can find more if you like:
Siger L, et al. Assessment of the efficacy of a single dose of a recombinant vaccine against West Nile virus in response to natural challenge with West Nile virus-infected mosquitoes in horses.
American Journal of Veterinary Research 2004;65(11):1459-1462.
8Paillot R, et al. Antibody and IFN-? responses induced by a recombinant canarypox vaccine and challenge infection with equine influenza virus. Vet Immuno Immunopathol 2006;112:225-233. Thanks, if you have time can you look for some more current? 2004 is quite old, and the sample size was small, and I don't like that Meril, the vaccine manufacturer was involved, there may be some bias. Thanks again for posting it.
LOL....no, I don't really have time to look more up for you, Cheryl.
My goal wasn't to provide current, comprehensive, up to the minute research. My goal was to provide some "proof" that WNV vaccines are effective and to summarize it in a way that is concise and easily understood by most people. If you want to review more, by all means, be my guest! |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-04 2:00 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-04 1:52 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-04 12:01 PM No problem, Cheryl. I can find more if you like:
Siger L, et al. Assessment of the efficacy of a single dose of a recombinant vaccine against West Nile virus in response to natural challenge with West Nile virus-infected mosquitoes in horses.
American Journal of Veterinary Research 2004;65(11):1459-1462.
8Paillot R, et al. Antibody and IFN-? responses induced by a recombinant canarypox vaccine and challenge infection with equine influenza virus. Vet Immuno Immunopathol 2006;112:225-233. Thanks, if you have time can you look for some more current? 2004 is quite old, and the sample size was small, and I don't like that Meril, the vaccine manufacturer was involved, there may be some bias. Thanks again for posting it.
My goal wasn't to provide current, comprehensive, up to the minute research. My goal was to provide some "proof" that WNV vaccines are effective and to summarize it in a way that is concise and easily understood by most people. If you want to review more, by all means, be my guest!
Journal of Equine Veterinary Science
Volume 33, Issue 12 , Pages 1101-1105, December 2013
This is one I would love to read this is the abstract.
A 42-day study was conducted to assess the impact of three West Nile virus vaccines given either as separate injections or incorporated with their counterpart equine encephalitis and tetanus vaccines on serological responses under field use conditions. Two hundred forty mature, West Nile virus seronegative (<4) horses were followed serologically pre- and postprimary and secondary vaccination with six different vaccination programs, all including West Nile virus antigens. Forty horses were unvaccinated sentinel horses. All vaccines stimulated both a primary and secondary (booster) response to vaccination that was significantly higher than that of seronegative controls. However, inclusion of West Nile virus with equine encephalitis viruses and tetanus toxoid in vaccines had a significant detrimental impact on West Nile virus serum neutralization antibody production to both the primary and secondary vaccinations.
As a doctor you should know how fast research is discredited, or considered old. I would think you would critically analyze what you read to see if it is still pertinent, still creditable.
As you know the one research study on MMR was detrimental to immunization rates.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Cheryl, you said:
"As a doctor you should know how fast research is discredited, or considered old. I would think you would critically analyze what you read to see if it is still pertinent, still creditable. "
Why are you saying this? I don't see anything from this abstract that discredits my premise whatsoever. Do you?
If so, point it out, because I might be missing something.
All this tells me is that this study suggests that using the WNV vaccine in combination with equine encephalitis vaccine and tetanus toxoid vaccine may well result in an ineffective antibody response. This is good to know, however, nothing here says WNV vaccines are ineffective. This just tells me that it shouldn't be given in combination vaccines like 5-way, 6-way, etc.... This suggests the vaccine, when given alone, generates a much more vigorous response than when it is given in combination with the other two. That doesn't mean it isn't necessarily effective, rather, it isn't as powerful as it could be when given as a solitary injection. That's good to know and it may suggest that a single vaccine is all that is needed per year, rather than a fall booster, as is often recommended. I'm not sure if this study "discredits" anything.....but you can correct me if I'm wrong. I'm all ears! LOL This just promotes the idea that a monovalent vaccine, in the case of WNV, is probably preferable.
For me, I have always given my WNV separately, as a monovalent ("single antigen") so it's a moot point. I suspect, or at least I hope, that the components of the polyvalent vaccines have been similarly analyzed.
Good post, but as the saying goes, "True, true, and unrelated".
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Oh, I forgot about this remark you made:
"As you know the one research study on MMR was detrimental to immunization rates."
Which "research study" are you referring to? I'll let you work on that for a while. I'm curious as to what you are talking about. |
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Location: Bixby, Ok | Here let me help. The study Cheryl is referring to does show that WNV vaccine when combined in the same syringe results in a lower sero conversion number than when introduced as a single antigen. However, the sero conversion numbers were still considered protective based on previous studies where horses were injected with active WNV. In this study the horses were privately owned and therefore could not be used as guinea pigs so to speak. This was simply to determine the difference between single antigen vaccines and multiple. There are many theories out there as to why this occurs. Simply put for convenience most clients want their horses stuck as few times as possible. Hence the multi-antigen vaccines. However, it has been shown over and over that single antigen vaccines do give a better amnestic response period. But that would mean more needles and higher vaccine costs. Again I stress that the level of antibodies produced were in the range that previous studies have shown as protective. Is a higher level of protectivity better you bet but there are pros and cons to everything! Also their study was paid for by Zoetis formally FT Dodge so why not be concerned about their bias? Now Zoetis will tell you and have had every meeting that I have been too. All vaccines out there despite manfacture have been proven to give a protective level of protection and I applaud their efforts to be neutral In These studies. I just set through a 3 hour ce meeting in which this particular study was presented. I find it very interesting that we have proven multiple antigen vaccines are less effective and we couple not only multiple antigens but also multiple antigen and multiple vaccines on children running a fever. I slowed my daughters vaccines down immensely and was looked down upon for it. However, I was informed by her school on Thursday that my child and the other two children in the school that were not vaccinated on schedule are actually the healthiest 3 kids in school they have between them missed an average of 6.2 days less per year than their completely vaccinated count parts. Made me go hum for sure. It was brought to my attention by the school nurse because she was upset about my choice at first and now wanted to know what I knew and understood that she didn't lol. I know horses and humans respond diff but similarly to vaccines and I personally feel that multiple vaccines all at once may very well overwhelm at least for a short time the immune response. In The vet world the take home from the above mentioned study is that horses respond better to single antigen shots administered by themselves. Ie not even several single antigen vaccines on the same day. However, in some instances this is not practical and this study did show that muti antigen vaccines do get a protective level. However, due to findings in this study more studies are currently in the works and splitting injection sites for vaccines. Ie administering 1/2 in one site and the other 1/2 in another site has also improved protectively levels. More about those studies findings as they become available. Hope I cleared the water a bit. Edited for spelling errors.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Thank you! I was going to try to explain why multiple antigens injected as a polyvalent vaccine results in a lower titer of each antibody, when compared to the titer if those antigens are given as a monovalent vaccine, but I can't come up with a real good, simple explanation.
My point to begin with was that I tried to come up with an understandable explanation of studies that support the notion that WNV vaccines "work", hence, that little "table" that I posted. It seems we have drifted a bit from there, but that's OK. It's all interesting. Is this what they mean by "antigenic drift"? .LOL....corny, I know.
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Location: Bixby, Ok | I agree 100% this thread has went somewhere besides where it was intended lol but however correct info can get out I'm just glad it does. I had an interesting experience this morning with a person who thought they knew and realized they didn't lol. We bought a new puppy at the rodeo and the people camped just across from us did also. Their puppy pooped blood today so she gathered up her hot penicillin and injected a 2.5 times too much dose into the muscle of this poor puppy. Then proceeded to put the same needle back into th bottle and come to our camp site and say. Our puppy pooped blood and we gave penicillin we need to give your puppy a shot too. I not so nicely asked her whe her DVM degree came from and explained that sh was not going to use a contaminated needle or pen on my puppy. She left but came back shortly to apologize and to tell me she should have given baytril instead. I then explained baytril is contraindicated in young animals and maybe a tip to her vet rather than diagnosing and treating on her own was a better choice. SMH. Maybe I saved her next puppy from an overdose of pen I the muscle. Pen in small animals is usually administrative under the skin. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Oh boy don't get me started! How many times have I seen people re-use the same needle, and not even bother cleaning the injection site!
Why do people seem to think that horses don't benefit from standard, basic aseptic precautions. It's basically just laziness. No wonder so many horses get abscesses at injection sites. |
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-04 6:37 PM Oh boy don't get me started! How many times have I seen people re-use the same needle, and not even bother cleaning the injection site!
Why do people seem to think that horses don't benefit from standard, basic aseptic precautions. It's basically just laziness. No wonder so many horses get abscesses at injection sites. Reusing needles...really... come on folks
the stuff is super cheap
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Terri, you are a vet, and I would like to ask you something. Knowing what you know about this EHV-1 outbreak up here (upper midwest), would you personally haul to several barrel races while this is going on? |
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Location: Bixby, Ok | No Scott I would not haul in that region period. For 21-30 days. My horses mean more to me than that and there are other barrel races soon enough. |
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Location: Bixby, Ok | We were at the BBR finals and that was a ill nerve racking due to the Lincoln horses. I just hope it gets hot enough to help kill this. We are continuing to haul but we are in ok and been going to jr rodeos where most stay local and def staying away from everybody as much as possible. I know there is always a chance but the chance is greater when there are a lot of horses under one roof and in tight quarters such as at Lincoln and BBR. But at least at OKC the stall are solid between horses. I hate these kinda of outbreaks very hard to contain and stop this day in age |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Thanks. That's what I figured. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | BR-DVM - 2014-05-04 8:23 PM We were at the BBR finals and that was a ill nerve racking due to the Lincoln horses. I just hope it gets hot enough to help kill this. We are continuing to haul but we are in ok and been going to jr rodeos where most stay local and def staying away from everybody as much as possible. I know there is always a chance but the chance is greater when there are a lot of horses under one roof and in tight quarters such as at Lincoln and BBR. But at least at OKC the stall are solid between horses. I hate these kinda of outbreaks very hard to contain and stop this day in age
I'm so glad we have a vet on the boards to finally answer some questions. No one seems to know if the horses that have been affected and put down by EHV1 were vaccinated. In your opinion do you think the vaccinations help? Do they need to be repeated every 90 days? Last week Dr Scott asked if he should go to a pole bending, not stay over, just jump out of the trailer and run, go home and don't stall there. I'm being faced with the same thing this next coming weekend. They aren't refunding our money, I have $520 invested and I'm wondering if I should just take it in the shorts or how safe do you think it is to stay off grounds but yet we're running indoors. This all seems like Russian Roulette to me. Your thoughts? |
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Location: Bixby, Ok | It is Russian roulette and I would not be putting my self in a position to be close and inside in the hot zone. As heat and sun exposure helps eliminate exposure via buckets and stalls it doesn't protect against one blowing their nose around you warming up or waiting to run. As I stated w are continuing to haul but we have had. I issues here and we are. It running inside and at large events minus BBR which was actually kinda going before the big issue and picture became clear. I might and most likely would have skipped and I had 1100 invested. But my horse cost much more than that. |
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Location: Bixby, Ok | As far as vaccination there is some thought that pnumabort k may have some cross protectivity and I have always given my horses even geldings amd riding mares this vaccine as well. I give 3 per year at equal intervals. It may not work but sure not gonna hurt. Worth it to me. |
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Location: Here | BR-DVM - 2014-05-04 9:13 PM As far as vaccination there is some thought that pnumabort k may have some cross protectivity and I have always given my horses even geldings amd riding mares this vaccine as well. I give 3 per year at equal intervals. It may not work but sure not gonna hurt. Worth it to me.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I was going to go, right up until 2 days before. It was going to haul just one horse, warm up outside, then do a quick in-and-out for poles and barrels. Then I heard about the horse in Wisconsin that was euthanized just 6 days earlier, along with a few other tidbits, and decided not to go.
I probably would have gotten away with it, as the odds are still low.....just not low enough for me, plus it would be hypocritical of me to be so outspoken about hunkering down, and then turn around and take a gamble. It's not the end of the world. 99% of us don't make a dime barrel racing anyway.....not when you take everything into account...but actually what it does is prolong this crap for those who DO actually make money barrel racing or selling barrel horses, when you really think about it. |
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Location: Small Town Iowa | I usually haul my own water to places that I go, and this year I have a portable pen that instead of getting stalls at most of the shows, I can just keep the horses at the trailer in a fence. I was going to do it last year to save money at some places, but with the risk of EHV being higher than normal this year, I have it packed in the trailer if or when I can start going again. And of course I don't share buckets, tack and all that jazz. I figured if I can lower the risk where I can I will sure try. And I know that at all the shows I go to I have no choice but to get stalls, but I may be a little pickier about going to those places. Who knows. It seems like most people on here are playing it safe, which I am so glad to hear. |
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Location: Kansas | rodeomom3 - 2014-05-05 7:29 AM I never let my horses drink out of community water and don't even like to them graze while at overnight shows, they just get long walks to get out of their stalls. Something that I have not thought about till my vet told me is using the common water hose. He said dropping the nozzle in your bucket will spread the germs from every other bucket that hose has been in. I carry my own water to day shows but now I will be using my own hose and taking it with me every time I water. Hope the threat gets under control and yall can get back on the road soon.
I agree about the hose - I never let the hose touch my buckets or water. I do haul my own water but in the summertime with three horses, 10-12 gallons doesn't last very long. I always park with water in mind because I hate lugging those jugs back & forth, though they're better than carrying buckets and wearing half the water on my leg LOL. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | We made a call to the SD State Vet today. It was verified that the Brown Co, SD horse has the same strain of EHV1 as the MN horse. Respiratory, non-neuro but yet neuro in the way its affecting horses. So many people are continuing to haul and saying...."Its JUST respiratory, there's nothing to worry about". Really? Its still killing horses. The vet said that SD has different laws than MN for instance and they can't shut down the barns for this so in reality these girls that board at the infected barn can still haul. I pray to God that if they try to get a vet to give them a health paper that the vet refuses them for 30 days. I quarantined myself for 30 days from exposure at BRF which is up next Monday. As horse owners we have to study this ourselves and make up our own minds whether to take the chance with our animals who most are more like children to us than horses. I'm ashamed to see how many of my friends have continued to haul and I get eye rolls and snide comments because I'm being overly cautious. Maybe so, but seeing my horses laying out in the green grass today with the sun shining on them, I know I'm making the right decision.
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 9:16 PM We made a call to the SD State Vet today. It was verified that the Brown Co, SD horse has the same strain of EHV1 as the MN horse. Respiratory, non-neuro but yet neuro in the way its affecting horses. So many people are continuing to haul and saying...."Its JUST respiratory, there's nothing to worry about". Really? Its still killing horses. The vet said that SD has different laws than MN for instance and they can't shut down the barns for this so in reality these girls that board at the infected barn can still haul. I pray to God that if they try to get a vet to give them a health paper that the vet refuses them for 30 days. I quaranteened (spelling) myself for 30 days from exposure at BRF which is up next Monday. As horse owners we have to study this ourselves and make up our own minds whether to take the chance with our animals who most are more like children to us than horses. I'm ashamed to see how many of my friends have continued to haul and I get eye rolls and snide comments because I'm being overly cautious. Maybe so, but seeing my horses laying out in the green grass today with the sun shining on them, I know I'm making the right decision.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ridejg - 2014-05-05 9:59 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 9:16 PM We made a call to the SD State Vet today. It was verified that the Brown Co, SD horse has the same strain of EHV1 as the MN horse. Respiratory, non-neuro but yet neuro in the way its affecting horses. So many people are continuing to haul and saying...."Its JUST respiratory, there's nothing to worry about". Really? Its still killing horses. The vet said that SD has different laws than MN for instance and they can't shut down the barns for this so in reality these girls that board at the infected barn can still haul. I pray to God that if they try to get a vet to give them a health paper that the vet refuses them for 30 days. I quaranteened (spelling) myself for 30 days from exposure at BRF which is up next Monday. As horse owners we have to study this ourselves and make up our own minds whether to take the chance with our animals who most are more like children to us than horses. I'm ashamed to see how many of my friends have continued to haul and I get eye rolls and snide comments because I'm being overly cautious. Maybe so, but seeing my horses laying out in the green grass today with the sun shining on them, I know I'm making the right decision.
The Spring Fling in Huron is cancelled...the way things are right now...it needed to be cancelled/postponed..
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 9:16 PM We made a call to the SD State Vet today. It was verified that the Brown Co, SD horse has the same strain of EHV1 as the MN horse. Respiratory, non-neuro but yet neuro in the way its affecting horses. So many people are continuing to haul and saying...."Its JUST respiratory, there's nothing to worry about". Really? Its still killing horses. The vet said that SD has different laws than MN for instance and they can't shut down the barns for this so in reality these girls that board at the infected barn can still haul. I pray to God that if they try to get a vet to give them a health paper that the vet refuses them for 30 days. I quaranteened (spelling) myself for 30 days from exposure at BRF which is up next Monday. As horse owners we have to study this ourselves and make up our own minds whether to take the chance with our animals who most are more like children to us than horses. I'm ashamed to see how many of my friends have continued to haul and I get eye rolls and snide comments because I'm being overly cautious. Maybe so, but seeing my horses laying out in the green grass today with the sun shining on them, I know I'm making the right decision.
I get tired of hearing "it's just respiratory". It can literally take them MONTHS to get over the coughing and irritation caused by the respiratory version of EHV. Working at the vet I've seen some scoped that had "blisters" in their throat that they can develop- and that nagging cough hangs on seemingly forever. Even "just the respiratory" version can take a horse out of training for months. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | rockinas - 2014-05-05 10:04 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 9:16 PM We made a call to the SD State Vet today. It was verified that the Brown Co, SD horse has the same strain of EHV1 as the MN horse. Respiratory, non-neuro but yet neuro in the way its affecting horses. So many people are continuing to haul and saying...."Its JUST respiratory, there's nothing to worry about". Really? Its still killing horses. The vet said that SD has different laws than MN for instance and they can't shut down the barns for this so in reality these girls that board at the infected barn can still haul. I pray to God that if they try to get a vet to give them a health paper that the vet refuses them for 30 days. I quaranteened (spelling) myself for 30 days from exposure at BRF which is up next Monday. As horse owners we have to study this ourselves and make up our own minds whether to take the chance with our animals who most are more like children to us than horses. I'm ashamed to see how many of my friends have continued to haul and I get eye rolls and snide comments because I'm being overly cautious. Maybe so, but seeing my horses laying out in the green grass today with the sun shining on them, I know I'm making the right decision.
I get tired of hearing "it's just respiratory". It can literally take them MONTHS to get over the coughing and irritation caused by the respiratory version of EHV. Working at the vet I've seen some scoped that had "blisters" in their throat that they can develop- and that nagging cough hangs on seemingly forever. Even "just the respiratory" version can take a horse out of training for months.
I've lost a lot of respect for some people around here. I'm sick of how many girls ran in Huron yesterday. I took a nice leasurely ride on Bugs today and a really fast and intense ride on Crackhead.  Sure did it enjoy it all though. We'll be ready whenever this crap clears up. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I also know that most of those girls at that clinic at the infected barn will be signing up for our NBHA Finals in 2 weeks. I hope to hell the vets are smart enough NOT to give them a health certificate to get into Finals. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | RockinAS made me think. I've had a lot of coughing with several of my horses almost all winter. I figured it was the usual cough from burying their faces in round bales but I've actually put a couple away after riding for short times because they just didn't feel right. Nothing real specific or earth shattering, just kinda dead and heavy feeling. I always vaccinate, but only once a year, with a Rhino boost in the fall.
Once I was riding a gritty little mare and she just seemed unusually sluggish, so I put her away. She had been coughing quite a bit too. The next day she looked and felt fine. Another stout gelding of mine acted very similar, and when I went to put him away he was drenched and was fasciculating for a few minutes. Both horses looked fine the next day, but I have to wonder. Maybe my antennae are just on alert. It just seems like this has been a tough winter. I have to wonder if there isn't more to this than meets the eye. Maybe it's an unusual situation where all the conditions have been just right for the emergence of this EHV-1. Still, I can't rationalize this cavalier attitude so many seem to be displaying. Damm cooties.
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Location: So. California | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 8:29 PM I also know that most of those girls at that clinic at the infected barn will be signing up for our NBHA Finals in 2 weeks. I hope to hell the vets are smart enough NOT to give them a health certificate to get into Finals.
There is a clinic at the barn where an infected horse is? That barn should be under quarantine. And the state vets haven't done that? Barn owner hasn't quarantined themselves? WOW...  |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 9:16 PM
We made a call to the SD State Vet today. It was verified that the Brown Co, SD horse has the same strain of EHV1 as the MN horse. Respiratory, non-neuro but yet neuro in the way its affecting horses. So many people are continuing to haul and saying...."Its JUST respiratory, there's nothing to worry about". Really? Its still killing horses. The vet said that SD has different laws than MN for instance and they can't shut down the barns for this so in reality these girls that board at the infected barn can still haul. I pray to God that if they try to get a vet to give them a health paper that the vet refuses them for 30 days. I quaranteened (spelling) myself for 30 days from exposure at BRF which is up next Monday. As horse owners we have to study this ourselves and make up our own minds whether to take the chance with our animals who most are more like children to us than horses. I'm ashamed to see how many of my friends have continued to haul and I get eye rolls and snide comments because I'm being overly cautious. Maybe so, but seeing my horses laying out in the green grass today with the sun shining on them, I know I'm making the right decision.
From my understanding, MN cannot shut down anything either. Our "shutdown" was voluntary. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Some of this stuff is just crazy. I've heard stories of some reckless people. Some scenarios I have heard just leave me shaking my head. Normally, when it comes to sickness or injuries or lameness, it's none of my business. In this case, it's everyone's business, in my opinion. Next thing you know people will be traveling to Saudi Arabia just to prove they probably won't get infected by the MERS virus, or maybe a veteranarian hauling to shows left and right like there's no tomorrow, and then keeping his horse at his clinic. |
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| The clinic was still held but it was only for people who HAD/STALLED horses already at the barn. Any horses that were going to be hauled in for the clinic were told about the EHV-1 and told not to come. A follow up clinic may be held at a later date for all the people that had horses outside of the barn that were unable to come for the "in barn horse clinic" The barn also is not letting new horses in or current horses leave, so basically they are doing a voluntary quarantine.
Before people start throwing out rumors they should get all the FACTS not just spread more rumors, it can really hurt someones business and reputation. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | stayceem - 2014-05-05 11:27 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 9:16 PM We made a call to the SD State Vet today. It was verified that the Brown Co, SD horse has the same strain of EHV1 as the MN horse. Respiratory, non-neuro but yet neuro in the way its affecting horses. So many people are continuing to haul and saying...."Its JUST respiratory, there's nothing to worry about". Really? Its still killing horses. The vet said that SD has different laws than MN for instance and they can't shut down the barns for this so in reality these girls that board at the infected barn can still haul. I pray to God that if they try to get a vet to give them a health paper that the vet refuses them for 30 days. I quarantined myself for 30 days from exposure at BRF which is up next Monday. As horse owners we have to study this ourselves and make up our own minds whether to take the chance with our animals who most are more like children to us than horses. I'm ashamed to see how many of my friends have continued to haul and I get eye rolls and snide comments because I'm being overly cautious. Maybe so, but seeing my horses laying out in the green grass today with the sun shining on them, I know I'm making the right decision.
From my understanding, MN cannot shut down anything either. Our "shutdown" was voluntary.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SDcowgirl - 2014-05-06 2:17 AM The clinic was still held but it was only for people who HAD/STALLED horses already at the barn. Any horses that were going to be hauled in for the clinic were told about the EHV-1 and told not to come. A follow up clinic may be held at a later date for all the people that had horses outside of the barn that were unable to come for the "in barn horse clinic" The barn also is not letting new horses in or current horses leave, so basically they are doing a voluntary quarantine.
Before people start throwing out rumors they should get all the FACTS not just spread more rumors, it can really hurt someones business and reputation.
No one is spreading rumors Kylee. I've mentioned many times to different people that they went on with the clinic for those that were already exposed. The only way this is going to get stopped though is if people stay home. Plain and simple. The reputation of the barn is up to the barn owners IMO. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | http://www.tsln.com/news/11299674-113/horse-horses-virus-symptoms
Horse in S.D. tests positive for EHV-1A horse in Brown County, S.D., which is in north-central South Dakota, has been diagnosed with the wild strain of equine herpesvirus (EHV-1), said Dr. Dustin Oedekoven, South Dakota state veterinarian. The horse had recently traveled from Minnesota to a boarding facility in Brown County. The horse does not normally travel to competitions and events, but horses that are boarded near it do, said Oedekoven. “My staff is working with the veterinarian there, the facility owner and the horse owner to make sure appropriate steps are taken to limit the spread of the virus,” he said.
EHV-1 can manifest with respiratory symptoms, such as a cough and nasal discharge, or neurologic symptoms, such as lack of coordination, inability to stand, urine dribbling and loss of tail tone. Respiratory symptoms are much more common and treatable. Neurologic symptoms can be treated, but occasionally the most humane choice is euthanasia, Oedekoven said. EHV-1 can also cause abortion in broodmares. The horse in Brown County is exhibiting neurologic symptoms.
Some horses that have the virus pass it on before exhibiting any symptoms, and some horses can pass the virus on without ever exhibiting symptoms, Oedekoven said. A vaccine is available that helps prevent the respiratory symptoms and abortion, as well as reducing the likelihood of passing the virus on, but is ineffective against the neurologic symptoms.
“The virus is very common among the horse population, but often doesn’t cause disease until the horse has been under the stress of transportation, competition or just being around other horses,” Oedekoven said. The stress suppresses the immune system, so the virus can take hold.
The virus is spread by direct or indirect contact with nasal secretions, so any tack, equipment, facility or person who has come into contact with an infected horse can pass the virus on. Oedekoven recommends never sharing buckets, brushes or tack, and regularly cleaning and disinfecting trailers and anything else that may serve to harbor the virus.
Oedekoven said the cases that have been reported in surrounding states have centered mostly around barrel races, so that segment of the equine population is being extra careful. However, he said all horse owners should be aware of the situation and talk to their veterinarian about appropriate vaccinations for their horses. Even horses at brandings and community events have the potential to be exposed to the virus.
In addition to vaccination, Oedekoven recommends isolating horses that have been comingled with other horses for 28 days before allowing them to be around horses that remained at home. “Otherwise you may be exposing the horses back home to the same diseases that the horse that traveled was exposed to,” he said.
Check out the upcming Saturday, May 10 issue of Tri-State Livestok News for a more in-depth look at EHV-1. |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 10:29 PM I also know that most of those girls at that clinic at the infected barn will be signing up for our NBHA Finals in 2 weeks. I hope to hell the vets are smart enough NOT to give them a health certificate to get into Finals.
I am amazed as I read these posts, that girls are hauling horses from infected barns. I am in Houston and there is not any talk of it down here, races continuing as normal. If it were down here, I am with you CYA, my horses would not be leaving my property. I hate that it is effecting the livelihood of some businesses but there will always be more barrel races. I can't clone my horses, I could buy new ones but I want the ones I have- alive and healthy. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-05 11:14 PM RockinAS made me think. I've had a lot of coughing with several of my horses almost all winter. I figured it was the usual cough from burying their faces in round bales but I've actually put a couple away after riding for short times because they just didn't feel right. Nothing real specific or earth shattering, just kinda dead and heavy feeling. I always vaccinate, but only once a year, with a Rhino boost in the fall.
Once I was riding a gritty little mare and she just seemed unusually sluggish, so I put her away. She had been coughing quite a bit too. The next day she looked and felt fine. Another stout gelding of mine acted very similar, and when I went to put him away he was drenched and was fasciculating for a few minutes. Both horses looked fine the next day, but I have to wonder. Maybe my antennae are just on alert. It just seems like this has been a tough winter. I have to wonder if there isn't more to this than meets the eye. Maybe it's an unusual situation where all the conditions have been just right for the emergence of this EHV-1. Still, I can't rationalize this cavalier attitude so many seem to be displaying. Damm cooties.
EHV1 can cause the cough, but so can a lot of other things, so I wouldn't get too paranoid about it.  The only way you'd know would be to have them tested for it. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-06 7:16 AM http://www.tsln.com/news/11299674-113/horse-horses-virus-symptoms
Horse in S.D. tests positive for EHV-1
A horse in Brown County, S.D., which is in north-central South Dakota, has been diagnosed with the wild strain of equine herpesvirus (EHV-1), said Dr. Dustin Oedekoven, South Dakota state veterinarian. The horse had recently traveled from Minnesota to a boarding facility in Brown County. The horse does not normally travel to competitions and events, but horses that are boarded near it do, said Oedekoven. “My staff is working with the veterinarian there, the facility owner and the horse owner to make sure appropriate steps are taken to limit the spread of the virus,” he said.
EHV-1 can manifest with respiratory symptoms, such as a cough and nasal discharge, or neurologic symptoms, such as lack of coordination, inability to stand, urine dribbling and loss of tail tone. Respiratory symptoms are much more common and treatable. Neurologic symptoms can be treated, but occasionally the most humane choice is euthanasia, Oedekoven said. EHV-1 can also cause abortion in broodmares. The horse in Brown County is exhibiting neurologic symptoms.
Some horses that have the virus pass it on before exhibiting any symptoms, and some horses can pass the virus on without ever exhibiting symptoms, Oedekoven said. A vaccine is available that helps prevent the respiratory symptoms and abortion, as well as reducing the likelihood of passing the virus on, but is ineffective against the neurologic symptoms.
“The virus is very common among the horse population, but often doesn’t cause disease until the horse has been under the stress of transportation, competition or just being around other horses,” Oedekoven said. The stress suppresses the immune system, so the virus can take hold.
The virus is spread by direct or indirect contact with nasal secretions, so any tack, equipment, facility or person who has come into contact with an infected horse can pass the virus on. Oedekoven recommends never sharing buckets, brushes or tack, and regularly cleaning and disinfecting trailers and anything else that may serve to harbor the virus.
Oedekoven said the cases that have been reported in surrounding states have centered mostly around barrel races, so that segment of the equine population is being extra careful. However, he said all horse owners should be aware of the situation and talk to their veterinarian about appropriate vaccinations for their horses. Even horses at brandings and community events have the potential to be exposed to the virus.
In addition to vaccination, Oedekoven recommends isolating horses that have been comingled with other horses for 28 days before allowing them to be around horses that remained at home. “Otherwise you may be exposing the horses back home to the same diseases that the horse that traveled was exposed to,” he said.
Check out the upcming Saturday, May 10 issue of Tri-State Livestok News for a more in-depth look at EHV-1.
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| rockinas - 2014-05-06 7:39 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-05 11:14 PM RockinAS made me think. I've had a lot of coughing with several of my horses almost all winter. I figured it was the usual cough from burying their faces in round bales but I've actually put a couple away after riding for short times because they just didn't feel right. Nothing real specific or earth shattering, just kinda dead and heavy feeling. I always vaccinate, but only once a year, with a Rhino boost in the fall.
Once I was riding a gritty little mare and she just seemed unusually sluggish, so I put her away. She had been coughing quite a bit too. The next day she looked and felt fine. Another stout gelding of mine acted very similar, and when I went to put him away he was drenched and was fasciculating for a few minutes. Both horses looked fine the next day, but I have to wonder. Maybe my antennae are just on alert. It just seems like this has been a tough winter. I have to wonder if there isn't more to this than meets the eye. Maybe it's an unusual situation where all the conditions have been just right for the emergence of this EHV-1. Still, I can't rationalize this cavalier attitude so many seem to be displaying. Damm cooties.
EHV1 can cause the cough, but so can a lot of other things, so I wouldn't get too paranoid about it. The only way you'd know would be to have them tested for it.
We were unfortunate enough to have the respiritory (sp)/rhino get a couple of our mares years ago. You will KNOW something is wrong, its not some coughing then they are fine the next day. They are SICK. And yes, it can be tremendously damaging. Their breathing has been affected ever since. They were vaccinated but it went through them anyhow. So stuff does happen. |
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Location: north dakota | Here is an example of quarentine quidelines in a barn from Assinibioa Downs the race track in canada with an EHV 1 positive case
In the primary quarantine area (defined as the south and middle sections of Barn E) all staff and personnel must walk through a foot bath; wear separate coveralls, boots, and gloves when inside the barn and remove them prior to exiting; and wash their hands with alcohol-based hand sanitizer before exiting the barn.
Horses in the primary quarantine area:
•Are prohibited from engaging in nose to nose contact;
•Must be vaccinated or boostered for EHV-1;
•Must have their temperatures taken and recorded twice daily; and
•Must undergo nasal swab EHV-1 testing if they develops a fever greater than 101°F or 38.5°C, among other precautions.
Health Alert: Equine Herpesvirus
Additionally, the MHRC said all bedding and manure from the primary quarantine area must be dumped in a designated area, and all wheelbarrows in the quarantine area must remain there until the restrictions are lifted and they're disinfected. Further, all tack and equipment in the primary quarantine area must be disinfected.
In the secondary quarantine area (the rest of the racetrack barns), all personnel must practice "standard good hygiene" and clean hands with alcohol-based hand sanitizer before and after handling horses.
Horses in the secondary quarantine area must:
•Have their temperatures taken and recorded twice daily; and
•Undergo nasal swab EHV-1 testing if they develops a fever greater than 101°F or 38.5°C, among other precautions.
"The quarantine will be approximately 14 days from April 23, 2014, and may be extended to 21 days with notice depending on the situation," the MHRC document read. "Horses in the primary quarantine area will be required to submit to EHV-1 nasal swab testing."
No horses will be permitted to leave the racetrack grounds during the quarantine, and incoming horses must have valid health certificates and "proof of veterinarian-administered vaccination for equine herpesvirus at least two weeks prior to entry
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Location: south dakota | There is a possibility that this may be a false positive. I am not at liberty to say more. |
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| Anniemae - 2014-05-05 11:23 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 8:29 PM I also know that most of those girls at that clinic at the infected barn will be signing up for our NBHA Finals in 2 weeks. I hope to hell the vets are smart enough NOT to give them a health certificate to get into Finals.
There is a clinic at the barn where an infected horse is? That barn should be under quarantine. And the state vets haven't done that? Barn owner hasn't quarantined themselves? WOW...
There was a Paul Humphrey clinic there last weekend. They still had the clinic, but no outside horses were allowed in. The only participants were the girls whose horses were already at the barn for boarding or training. The owners and trainers of the barn have voluntarily put the barn under quarantine. No horses are being allowed in or out - not even the horses that were scheduled to be picked up. They are temping every horse in the barn twice a day. I have a personal stake in this, as we have a mare in reining training down there. I know they are just as worried as everyone else is. |
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Location: north dakota | c-cross - 2014-05-06 10:46 AM
There is a possibility that this may be a false positive. I am not at liberty to say more.
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Location: Kansas | I didn't read through all the post since there are so many pages and I have been out of the barrel racing scene for quite a while, but is the 5 way vaccinations not working to prevent this from spreading or are people not vaccinating? I am wondering as I am planning on sending some prospects to a trainer soon and I always vaccinate 5 way in March/April timeframe and I am worried abotu taking them to a trainer with others horses there if the vaccination isn't working. Thanks
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| wierqh - 2014-05-06 11:50 AM I didn't read through all the post since there are so many pages and I have been out of the barrel racing scene for quite a while, but is the 5 way vaccinations not working to prevent this from spreading or are people not vaccinating? I am wondering as I am planning on sending some prospects to a trainer soon and I always vaccinate 5 way in March/April timeframe and I am worried abotu taking them to a trainer with others horses there if the vaccination isn't working. Thanks
The area of concern is a "Wild" strain that is not covered in current vaccinations. At least 1 of the horses that died from Lincoln WAS vaccinated prior to going to Lincoln. |
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Location: Kansas | Nateracer - 2014-05-06 12:03 PM wierqh - 2014-05-06 11:50 AM I didn't read through all the post since there are so many pages and I have been out of the barrel racing scene for quite a while, but is the 5 way vaccinations not working to prevent this from spreading or are people not vaccinating? I am wondering as I am planning on sending some prospects to a trainer soon and I always vaccinate 5 way in March/April timeframe and I am worried abotu taking them to a trainer with others horses there if the vaccination isn't working. Thanks
The area of concern is a "Wild" strain that is not covered in current vaccinations. At least 1 of the horses that died from Lincoln WAS vaccinated prior to going to Lincoln.
Ok thank you. I haven't been on here in a while, since before I started packing, moving and unpacking the last few weeks or so. Bill Wingate called me 2 days ago and told me about it and I hadn't known about it going on apparently. Hope they can come up with some kind of vaccine for it as well in the near future. This site and a few friends are my main source for what is going on in the barrel world since I haven't been able to haul and race for quite some time. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Frenchie - 2014-05-06 9:19 AM We were unfortunate enough to have the respiritory (sp)/rhino get a couple of our mares years ago. You will KNOW something is wrong, its not some coughing then they are fine the next day. They are SICK. And yes, it can be tremendously damaging. Their breathing has been affected ever since. They were vaccinated but it went through them anyhow. So stuff does happen.
That's the truth. Some will cough for months and some get some scarring and are never 'right' again.
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Location: So. California | k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-06 8:50 AM Anniemae - 2014-05-05 11:23 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 8:29 PM I also know that most of those girls at that clinic at the infected barn will be signing up for our NBHA Finals in 2 weeks. I hope to hell the vets are smart enough NOT to give them a health certificate to get into Finals. There is a clinic at the barn where an infected horse is? That barn should be under quarantine. And the state vets haven't done that? Barn owner hasn't quarantined themselves? WOW... There was a Paul Humphrey clinic there last weekend. They still had the clinic, but no outside horses were allowed in. The only participants were the girls whose horses were already at the barn for boarding or training. The owners and trainers of the barn have voluntarily put the barn under quarantine. No horses are being allowed in or out - not even the horses that were scheduled to be picked up. They are temping every horse in the barn twice a day. I have a personal stake in this, as we have a mare in reining training down there. I know they are just as worried as everyone else is.
Thank you for the clarification and confirming the barn is under quarantine.
I am a bit surprised that the clinic was still held due to the barn being under quarantine. The clinicians could still take this virus home with them, unless they followed strict disinfection protocol... Not my call.
I've had horses under quarantine before and it isn't any fun. However, I was fortunate that none of mine caught the virus that was going around at time. Though, I had plenty of sleepless nights...
Is the infected horse still showing symptoms?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rockinas - 2014-05-06 7:39 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-05 11:14 PM RockinAS made me think. I've had a lot of coughing with several of my horses almost all winter. I figured it was the usual cough from burying their faces in round bales but I've actually put a couple away after riding for short times because they just didn't feel right. Nothing real specific or earth shattering, just kinda dead and heavy feeling. I always vaccinate, but only once a year, with a Rhino boost in the fall.
Once I was riding a gritty little mare and she just seemed unusually sluggish, so I put her away. She had been coughing quite a bit too. The next day she looked and felt fine. Another stout gelding of mine acted very similar, and when I went to put him away he was drenched and was fasciculating for a few minutes. Both horses looked fine the next day, but I have to wonder. Maybe my antennae are just on alert. It just seems like this has been a tough winter. I have to wonder if there isn't more to this than meets the eye. Maybe it's an unusual situation where all the conditions have been just right for the emergence of this EHV-1. Still, I can't rationalize this cavalier attitude so many seem to be displaying. Damm cooties.
EHV1 can cause the cough, but so can a lot of other things, so I wouldn't get too paranoid about it. The only way you'd know would be to have them tested for it.
You're right, Amy. I guess what I was trying to say is I have been super paranoid for a couple months. I rode Bear last night and have been teaching him poles......he reminded me that he's just fine even at 19. Wow! I was pumped. He looks like a million bucks and feels super. I don't think the cooties have effected him much. |
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| Anniemae - 2014-05-06 12:58 PM
k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-06 8:50 AM Anniemae - 2014-05-05 11:23 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 8:29 PM I also know that most of those girls at that clinic at the infected barn will be signing up for our NBHA Finals in 2 weeks. I hope to hell the vets are smart enough NOT to give them a health certificate to get into Finals. There is a clinic at the barn where an infected horse is? That barn should be under quarantine. And the state vets haven't done that? Barn owner hasn't quarantined themselves? WOW... There was a Paul Humphrey clinic there last weekend. They still had the clinic, but no outside horses were allowed in. The only participants were the girls whose horses were already at the barn for boarding or training. The owners and trainers of the barn have voluntarily put the barn under quarantine. No horses are being allowed in or out - not even the horses that were scheduled to be picked up. They are temping every horse in the barn twice a day. I have a personal stake in this, as we have a mare in reining training down there. I know they are just as worried as everyone else is.
I've had horses under quarantine before and it isn't any fun. However, I was fortunate that none of mine caught the virus that was going around at time. Though, I had plenty of sleepless nights...
Is the infected horse still showing symptoms?
I'm sure there have been disinfection protocols put into place along with the quarantine. The sick horse is doing well from what I've been told, and so far so good on all the other horses in the barn. |
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| k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-06 2:18 PM
Anniemae - 2014-05-06 12:58 PM
k.maddocks24 - 2014-05-06 8:50 AM Anniemae - 2014-05-05 11:23 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-05 8:29 PM I also know that most of those girls at that clinic at the infected barn will be signing up for our NBHA Finals in 2 weeks. I hope to hell the vets are smart enough NOT to give them a health certificate to get into Finals. There is a clinic at the barn where an infected horse is? That barn should be under quarantine. And the state vets haven't done that? Barn owner hasn't quarantined themselves? WOW... There was a Paul Humphrey clinic there last weekend. They still had the clinic, but no outside horses were allowed in. The only participants were the girls whose horses were already at the barn for boarding or training. The owners and trainers of the barn have voluntarily put the barn under quarantine. No horses are being allowed in or out - not even the horses that were scheduled to be picked up. They are temping every horse in the barn twice a day. I have a personal stake in this, as we have a mare in reining training down there. I know they are just as worried as everyone else is.
I've had horses under quarantine before and it isn't any fun. However, I was fortunate that none of mine caught the virus that was going around at time. Though, I had plenty of sleepless nights...
Is the infected horse still showing symptoms?
I'm sure there have been disinfection protocols put into place along with the quarantine. The sick horse is doing well from what I've been told, and so far so good on all the other horses in the barn.
Also, from what I understand, the infected horse was being treated at an area vet clinic and had been removed from the barn. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | This is off the Stillwater Equine FB page.
Stillwater Equine Veterinary Clinic
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We have been in contact with some people involved with the SD case. As stated below the SD case came from MN to SD. The horse developed neurologic signs on April 24th.
(One day after the two cases from Lincoln Nebraska). How or if this case ties into the MN cases or the Lincoln cases has not been determined.
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Tri state livestock news at :http://www.tsln.com/search/11299674-113/horse-horses-virus-symptoms |
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Location: North Branch MN | Out of curiosity how many of you are boycotting websites such as barrel horse world that are continuing to promote the sale of horses during this time? How about stallion owners that are continuing operations or trainers that are still taking in horses? They just ran the Kentucky derby so I'm assuming race tracks are open for business as usual? Rodeo was held in St. Paul MN just two weeks ago. Hard to be critical of producers of barrel races when no one is saying boo about the rest of this.
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| taleader - 2014-05-07 10:54 PM Out of curiosity how many of you are boycotting websites such as barrel horse world that are continuing to promote the sale of horses during this time? How about stallion owners that are continuing operations or trainers that are still taking in horses? They just ran the Kentucky derby so I'm assuming race tracks are open for business as usual? Rodeo was held in St. Paul MN just two weeks ago. Hard to be critical of producers of barrel races when no one is saying boo about the rest of this.
Because MOST of the country hasn't had any cases. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | taleader - 2014-05-07 10:54 PM Out of curiosity how many of you are boycotting websites such as barrel horse world that are continuing to promote the sale of horses during this time? How about stallion owners that are continuing operations or trainers that are still taking in horses? They just ran the Kentucky derby so I'm assuming race tracks are open for business as usual? Rodeo was held in St. Paul MN just two weeks ago. Hard to be critical of producers of barrel races when no one is saying boo about the rest of this.
Oh please! The outbreak is with barrel horses in a mid west zone. Stallions are shipping semen. No nose to nose contact. I wasnt aware of a case at Churchil Downs? When there is a case at a race track, they typically impliment a quaranteen on those premises.Horses there at that track are already exposed. None of these scenerios have the concentrated numbers of haul in for the weekend then haul out to multiple points spreading like a spider web. Your grasping at straws. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I haven't heard of anything cropping up here in Minnesota since the two horses came down with EHV-1 about a week and a half ago. I think the one was euthanized about 10-12 days back, so maybe things are settling down. Gonna be wet up her for the next week, but at least it's not cold. |
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Location: ND | i still say that, at this point, it's mostly hysteria..... |
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Location: Sebeka, MN | I saw you at a barrel race last weekend, so you must not be too worried about it. |
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Location: Kansas | betsykuschel - 2014-05-08 1:20 PM
I saw you at a barrel race last weekend, so you must not be too worried about it.
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| I dont have facebook.... so is the spread of EHV calming down? |
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| Kgirl - 2014-05-13 2:42 PM I dont have facebook.... so is the spread of EHV calming down?
Yes, so far the last case was the 5 yr old mare in South Dakota. As far as the North country goes, that has been reported. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | My daughter saw something on Facebook about a possible Colorado EHV1 case? Does anyone know more about that? Sounds like it was a horse that has traveled quite a bit to CO HS Rodeos? |
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Location: Here | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-14 8:32 PM My daughter saw something on Facebook about a possible Colorado EHV1 case? Does anyone know more about that? Sounds like it was a horse that has traveled quite a bit to CO HS Rodeos?
I pray not. I had hoped there was no more |
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Location: PNW | SG. - 2014-05-14 9:15 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-05-14 8:32 PM My daughter saw something on Facebook about a possible Colorado EHV1 case? Does anyone know more about that? Sounds like it was a horse that has traveled quite a bit to CO HS Rodeos?
I pray not. I had hoped there was no more
It was on Mile-Hi's page. They are waiting for results I believe. And I think they said the horses had recently been to a few high school rodeos and such. |
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Location: PNW | https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=709951152396587&id=12322... |
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Location: Here | thanks for the link |
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Location: Wyoming | They just posted horse was positive and another horse has a temperature |
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | luv2trainhorses - 2014-05-15 4:18 PM They just posted horse was positive and another horse has a temperature
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| Just wanted to share I have a horse that was tested positive for ehv-1 when the 2011 outbreak happened. She made a full recovery and has no residual effect from it. She's a cutting horse and was in training at a barn where horses came back from the Ogden cutting. It was a grueling process but is healthy and performing. It's a scary thing. Just thought I would share |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | heidiinaz - 2014-05-15 9:01 PM Just wanted to share I have a horse that was tested positive for ehv-1 when the 2011 outbreak happened. She made a full recovery and has no residual effect from it. She's a cutting horse and was in training at a barn where horses came back from the Ogden cutting. It was a grueling process but is healthy and performing. It's a scary thing. Just thought I would share
That is wonderful to hear! Did you catch it early when the temp spiked? |
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| Yes very early. Two horses at the barn had to be put down. And there were 4 others that had it that made it. |
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| Yes very early. Two horses at the barn had to be put down. And there were 4 others that had it that made it. |
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | Put out today:
media release
Colorado Department of Agriculture
www.colorado.gov/ag
www.facebook.com/coloradoag
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 16, 2014
Contacts:
(media) Christi Lightcap, (303) 239-4190, Christi.Lightcap@state.co.us
(horse owners & event organizers) CDA State Veterinarian’s Office, (303) 239-4161 or contact your local veterinarian
Colorado Horse Tests Positive for Equine Herpes Myeloencephalitis
LAKEWOOD, Colo. – The Colorado State University Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory (CSU-VDL) has notified Colorado Department of Agriculture’s State Veterinarian’s Office that the horse which was showing signs consistent with Equine Herpes Myeloencephalitis (EHV-1) on 5/14/14 tested positive for EHV-1. The horse was euthanized due to complications from the neurologic form of EHV-1.
A second horse that resided with the EHV-1 positive horse has developed a fever and is considered a suspect case but is not displaying any neurologic signs at this time. This second horse attended some of the same events within the rodeo/barrel racing circuit as the original horse. Because of these developments and the recent history of other EHV-1 cases in other states, the State Veterinarian’s Office in Colorado recommends that equine event organizers and horse owners competing in the rodeo/barrel racing circuit exercise extreme caution with regards to the planning and holding of equine events.
“Disease prevention practices and good biosecurity should be implemented,” said State Veterinarian, Dr. Keith Roehr. “Owners should consider the risk for exposure to EHV-1 at upcoming events to be elevated and owners may want to consider keeping their horses at home to limit their individual risk.”
The EHV-1 positive horse and its stable-mates have a history of travelling to events within Colorado over the last few weeks and there is a potential link to other horses that have attended the National High School Rodeo and Colorado Junior Rodeo Association events located in:
Henderson (April 26-27)
Eagle (May 2-4)
Rocky Ford (May 10-11)
The Colorado State Veterinarian’s office is in the process of contacting all Colorado contestants that were involved in these events.
Important recommendations:
If your horse attended any of the above events or has a direct link to a horse that attended one of these events:
Monitor its temperature twice daily and report temperatures greater than 101.5 F to your veterinarian.
Isolate your horse from others if possible for 21 days past the event.
Contact your veterinarian if your horse is showing other signs of illness or if you have concerns about its health.
Limit horse-to-horse contact at equine events.
EHV-1 can by spread on tack, grooming equipment, feed/water buckets, and people’s hands or clothing. Do not share among horses or clean properly between use.
Symptoms include fever, decreased coordination, nasal discharge, urine dribbling, loss of tail tone, hind limb weakness, leaning against a wall or fence to maintain balance, lethargy, and the inability to rise. While there is no cure, the symptoms of the disease may be treatable. EHV-1 is not transmissible to people; it can be a serious disease of horses that can cause respiratory, neurologic disease and death.
Additional Resources:
A Guide to Understanding the Neurologic Form of EHV Infection: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahss/equine/ehv/equine_herpesvirus_brochure_2009.pdf
Biosecurity-The Key to Keeping Your Horses Healthy: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publications/animal_health/2011/bro_keep_horses_healthy.pdf
CDA Animal Health: www.colorado.gov/ag/animals and click on “Animal Health.”
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Location: Colorado | Update May 21, 2014:
We think people should stay home.....but some continue to travel.....for whatever it's worth...here is the update! :) Obviously just OUR opiinon!
STATE VETERINARIAN'S OFFICE - EHV-1 Update in Colorado
EHV-1 update as of 5/21/14:
There are no new EHV-1 affected premises in Colorado. The quarantine is still in place at the affected stable in Rio Grande County. The Colorado Department of Agriculture has been notified that the second horse on the original EHV-1 premises that was considered a suspect case has now tested positive for EHV-1. Testing revealed that it was the wild-type virus. The horse is being monitored and under quarantine with no signs of neurological disease at this time.
No additional movement restrictions have been put in place for horses moving into or within Colorado. Horses moving into Colorado are required to have a certificate of veterinary inspection / health certificate issued within the last 30 days and a negative Equine Infectious Anemia test (Coggins Test) within 1 year. Specific horse events may require more recent health certificates and other requirements, so participants are encouraged to contact the event manager prior to leaving for equine events to get updated entry requirements. |
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Location: Here | Mile Hi Barrel Horse - 2014-05-22 12:31 AM
Update May 21, 2014:
We think people should stay home.....but some continue to travel.....for whatever it's worth...here is the update! :) Obviously just OUR opiinon!
STATE VETERINARIAN'S OFFICE - EHV-1 Update in Colorado
EHV-1 update as of 5/21/14:
There are no new EHV-1 affected premises in Colorado. The quarantine is still in place at the affected stable in Rio Grande County. The Colorado Department of Agriculture has been notified that the second horse on the original EHV-1 premises that was considered a suspect case has now tested positive for EHV-1. Testing revealed that it was the wild-type virus. The horse is being monitored and under quarantine with no signs of neurological disease at this time.
No additional movement restrictions have been put in place for horses moving into or within Colorado. Horses moving into Colorado are required to have a certificate of veterinary inspection / health certificate issued within the last 30 days and a negative Equine Infectious Anemia test (Coggins Test) within 1 year. Specific horse events may require more recent health certificates and other requirements, so participants are encouraged to contact the event manager prior to leaving for equine events to get updated entry requirements.
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