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Location: MN | So, my horse pulls a lot of shoes. Ive come up with the conclusion that its because hes short backed and really gets up under himself always, even in the pasture. He does have a higher angle but its nothing abnormal, thats just the way his foot grows. My farrier suggested short shoeing him but it could cause big problems with his feet in the long run....Has anyone ever done that for their horse? And why would you do it if it causes problems later on? Just wanting some input. Thanks! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Keep the front toes short.. Maybe even square the toes.. let the back ones grow out a little bit.... Bring the heels of the front shoes around toward the bulbs making sure they don't hang out in back... |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I will most likely regret saying this.....seriously....but have you thought of trying a different farrier?
I had TWO AMAZING farriers in GA. And another amazing one in SC. And yet my 1d horse was forever stepping shoes off.
I am now in missouri......he has yet to step a shoe off for the new guy......he stepped the first one off, a razer shoe, and we put him back in steel, and so far.....I'm still holding my breath :) |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | My mare was constantly pulling shoes. Regardless of trim changes, shoe shaping and farrier changes. She's short backed and gets under there as well. I finally just pulled shoes and left her barefoot. Haven't had an issue since. |
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| What do you mean by short shoeing? |
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Location: Ohio | The horse in my avatar is the same way, no matter what we tried he would always pull a shoe soon after having a new set put on. He is short and stout with a short back and really gets up under himself. He has really good feet and I have come to find out he does better barefoot no matter what type of footing we run on. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | No offense, but get a different farrier. One who knows what he's doing. A short backed horse has NOTHING to do with pulling shoes. My husband is a farrier and we hear crazy stuff like this all the time. Your horse just isn't shod properly. He needs better break over in the front so he can get those feet out of the way and the back ones won't touch them. Leave more toe in back and he will have better hock action. |
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Location: Nebraska | my mare was pulling a lot of shoes in the pasture last summer. I have an amazing shoer and even he was stumped. I ended up just leaving bell boots on her 24/7 and she never pulled another shoe. I don't know if she was stepping on them in the tall grass (it was about chest high when I first turned them out on it) or what. |
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| The horse is unbalanced. All I have are short compact horses. When I shoed, I didn't loose shoes, my horses were balanced.
I had a long backed horse with a different farrier lost shoes 5 min after the farrier left, switched farriers never had another problem. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | No matter what we did one of my geldings kept pulling his shoes off. Unless he is in his stall he has bell boots on. I have a pair of mismatched not very pretty ones that he wears in the pasture and always to ride. Doesn't pull em anymore. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | post a pic of his side view, I would like to see his angles look at the breakover points too...
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| I had a terrible time keeping shoes on my boy until we moved here. Farrier here hated the way he was being done and what he wanted to change up made sense, so we went with it.
We have lost 1 shoe in the past year, and it a shoe with a pad that was within a week of needing done again, I'll give him that one...plus he came out that night and reset him so we could leave for Lincoln on time... |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 11:19 AM The horse is unbalanced. All I have are short compact horses. When I shoed, I didn't loose shoes, my horses were balanced. I had a long backed horse with a different farrier lost shoes 5 min after the farrier left, switched farriers never had another problem.
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Location: North Dakota | My horse was pulling shoes left and right last year.
Turns out he had a catching right stifle.
Got that injected this spring and he hasn't pulled a shoe yet. (knock on wood)
If they are pulling lots of shoes, it could also mean they have a very subtle lameness problem somewhere that is causing them to scramble with their feet and mis-step.
Food for thought.
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-01 4:20 PM
What do you mean by short shoeing?
Short shoeing is basically cutting the heels off the shoes at the base of the quarters so they don't go all that way back. |
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Location: Ohio | r_beau - 2014-05-01 5:14 PM
My horse was pulling shoes left and right last year.
Turns out he had a catching right stifle.
Got that injected this spring and he hasn't pulled a shoe yet. (knock on wood)
If they are pulling lots of shoes, it could also mean they have a very subtle lameness problem somewhere that is causing them to scramble with their feet and mis-step.
Food for thought.
This does make a valid point for me at least... My gelding I talked about earlier had a knee problem than ended up forcing him to retire but the shoes started being pulled right before we started seeing signs of lameness. Rockering the toe and squaring it off on the front when he started going barefoot helped a lot so as others had said, maybe he wasn't getting enough break over with his shoes. (We need a smiley with a light bulb flashing above his head! lol) |
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| komet. - 2014-05-02 7:49 PM barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-01 4:20 PM What do you mean by short shoeing? Short shoeing is basically cutting the heels off the shoes at the base of the quarters so they don't go all that way back.
Wow, interesting.
Not a fan of that idea myself. If I put shoes on one, I **** sure want the entire back of the foot supported with the entire heel and back of the frog to be engaged in landing. Doesn't that shift landing to the quarters since the heels would be further off the ground? Or am I not picturing this right?
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| r_beau - 2014-05-02 2:14 PM My horse was pulling shoes left and right last year.
Turns out he had a catching right stifle.
Got that injected this spring and he hasn't pulled a shoe yet. (knock on wood)
If they are pulling lots of shoes, it could also mean they have a very subtle lameness problem somewhere that is causing them to scramble with their feet and mis-step.
Food for thought.
With it being the right stifle, did he always pull the same shoe? If so, left or right?
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-03 1:13 AM
komet. - 2014-05-02 7:49 PM barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-01 4:20 PM What do you mean by short shoeing? Short shoeing is basically cutting the heels off the shoes at the base of the quarters so they don't go all that way back.
Not a fan of that idea myself. If I put shoes on one, I **** sure want the entire back of the foot supported with the entire heel and back of the frog to be engaged in landing. Doesn't that shift landing to the quarters since the heels would be further off the ground? Or am I not picturing this right?
LOL!! I'm not a fan either!!! Yes, You are right... And so is her farrier... In the long run.. NO!!!!
But... to grow heel..... there ARE time when this works... |
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Location: Minnesota | Put bell boots on him. That's what I do with my mare since she would pull a shoe often. She hasn't pulled another shoe since. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Be very carefull leaving more toe on the back feet. You are creating leverage that will in the end have a bad affect on hocks, stifles, tendons and ligiments. It's all about leverage!! How far the tendons need to strech before the foot gets out of the ground (more toe) puts wear and tear on everything above the foot. JMHO |
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| Ctrygirl14 - 2014-05-03 7:53 AM
Put bell boots on him. That's what I do with my mare since she would pull a shoe often. She hasn't pulled another shoe since.
I second this I have rubber bells on my guy when turned out, because hes goofy and plays hard. I was replacing one shoe a week. |
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| For all you keeping bell boots on 24/7 do you worry about long term effects of bell boots, the pulling on the pastern, the constant heat.
To me this is still masking the problem the horse is not tracking correctly. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Dreamin of 3cans - 2014-05-03 9:40 AM
Be very carefull leaving more toe on the back feet. You are creating leverage that will in the end have a bad affect on hocks, stifles, tendons and ligiments. It's all about leverage!! How far the tendons need to strech before the foot gets out of the ground (more toe) puts wear and tear on everything above the foot. JMHO
You don't have to leave a lot of toe to slow the break-over time enough to get the front feet out of their way.
As a matter of fact, I would set the back shoes forward a tiny bit before I would short-shoe the front ones....
Edited by komet. 2014-05-03 1:42 PM
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Location: Nebraska | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 12:55 PM For all you keeping bell boots on 24/7 do you worry about long term effects of bell boots, the pulling on the pastern, the constant heat. To me this is still masking the problem the horse is not tracking correctly.
I used large bell boots so there was some room at the top for her. I also used rubber ones that had the velcro so they would come off and I took them off whenever I rode or had her out of the pen. She never seemed to have a problem and I never noticed her hair looking any different. She never sweated under them, either so I wasn't worried about the heat.
I definitely agree that it could be a shoeing problem, but was just saying that mine wasn't and the bell boots worked for me. |
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| Just set the hind shoe back a little and roll the hind toe. I have been a blacksmith for oyer 30 years and this is how I shoe my barrel horses and very rarely do I pull a shoe.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Meyerfarm - 2014-05-03 9:46 PM
Just set the hind shoe back a little and roll the hind toe. I have been a blacksmith for oyer 30 years and this is how I shoe my barrel horses and very rarely do I pull a shoe.
The back feet are already getting to the front too soon.. This sounds like it will help get them sooner still.. |
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| if you keep the toes on all four feet the same length ( the shorter the better) and roll the hind toes they wont hit the front feet. Not sure what angle your at but I would suggest 50-52 in front and 50 on the hind. Be sure the feet are balanced. Like I said before I shoe like this all the time and rarely pull a shoe. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:55 AM
For all you keeping bell boots on 24/7 do you worry about long term effects of bell boots, the pulling on the pastern, the constant heat.
To me this is still masking the problem the horse is not tracking correctly.
I don't have actual bells on that you would run in, they'r way lighter. For me its it's temporary, he is getting corrective shoeing done and will take 90 days to get his feet right. |
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Location: North Dakota | barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-03 1:15 AM r_beau - 2014-05-02 2:14 PM My horse was pulling shoes left and right last year.
Turns out he had a catching right stifle.
Got that injected this spring and he hasn't pulled a shoe yet. (knock on wood)
If they are pulling lots of shoes, it could also mean they have a very subtle lameness problem somewhere that is causing them to scramble with their feet and mis-step.
Food for thought.
With it being the right stifle, did he always pull the same shoe? If so, left or right?
Nope. Usually he would catch one of the front shoes (more often the left front) and bend the back or pull the show completely. He did one time completely pull off the left hind. He did it 7 or 8 times over the course of a couple months. |
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| r_beau - 2014-05-05 7:31 AM barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-03 1:15 AM r_beau - 2014-05-02 2:14 PM My horse was pulling shoes left and right last year.
Turns out he had a catching right stifle.
Got that injected this spring and he hasn't pulled a shoe yet. (knock on wood)
If they are pulling lots of shoes, it could also mean they have a very subtle lameness problem somewhere that is causing them to scramble with their feet and mis-step.
Food for thought.
With it being the right stifle, did he always pull the same shoe? If so, left or right?
Interesting. Thanks! |
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Location: MN | Thank you all so much for the input. The ONLY thing about switching farriers is he comes from 3 hrs away and there is nobody else in the area that I have heard of but then again i am new to the town. To me, his heels are too long...my farrier also said that he had some soreness in his feet especially in his heel. Wouldnt that make you think that its something hes doing? Im just trying to come up with some ideas. Also, he catches the bulb of his heel a lot. Im going to go buy some rubber bell boots just to try to save my $125 shoes plus a $20 re-shoe if he has to come put it back on. Thank you again for the input.
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