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| OK I went a fed my made this afternoon. I opened her bag of Purina omolene 200 performance feed and a funky smell came out and I look in and the bottom of the bag is all mold. I bought it 2 weeks ago. Its kept away in dry area. She has been wheezing the past 2.5 days. Idk what happens in this kinda situation. Its says illness or death. But idk what symptoms can happen. Having a hard time getting ahold of vets tonight so I turned to you guys for help.
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| I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM
I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag
I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. | |
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Location: NC | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM
I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag
I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell.
Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. | |
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Location: Here | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 10:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell.
call purina. it isnt up to tsc. Also our tsc rotated their stock quite well | |
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Location: Iowa | Call Purina, they will stand behind it.
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| I will talk to my received tomorrow. Our store just opened up too. But I'll give Purina a call my store wants the bag back. Should I keep it for Purina or what should I do with it | |
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| I had this same problem with strategy opened 2 brand new bags both covered in mold....I feed adm now and I love it
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| PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 10:31 PM
I will talk to my received tomorrow. Our store just opened up too. But I'll give Purina a call my store wants the bag back. Should I keep it for Purina or what should I do with it
If they are not going to refund you, I would call purina and see what they want to do.
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Location: Here | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 10:31 PM I will talk to my received tomorrow. Our store just opened up too. But I'll give Purina a call my store wants the bag back. Should I keep it for Purina or what should I do with it
I am confused they won't refund you but want the bag back? Don't get another bag from the same lot number if tsc wants to refund then do so but still call purina | |
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| Purina has had problems like that for years. Along time ago up her that got some bad corn and killed a bunch of horses, they quietly paid for,them. | |
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| Ya my work won't refund me cause I used about 90% of the bag the rest is mold. And they want the bag back and will give me a $1 off my next bag......
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-02 8:56 AM Ya my work won't refund me cause I used about 90% of the bag the rest is mold. And they want the bag back and will give me a $1 off my next bag...... I'll give Purina a call
Call Purina and skip TSC. | |
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| If you can't get a full refund, I think I would be switching feed companies, and where I buy feed at!
In the future, I would definitely check the bags before I started feeding it. I would get some type of container that you can dump the whole bag of feed into, and store it that way rather than keeping it in the bag. That way you can inspect the whole bag before you start feeding it! I'm sorry you're dealing with this! | |
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Location: Kansas | Ewww, call the store you bought it from and then call the company! It could have just gotten wet in transport, or in the store | |
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Location: Nebraska | I got a few bags of strategy a couple years ago that had a bunch of powder stuff in them. My feed store took all the bags I bought back plus the one I had already opened and fed part of. They gave me new bags and we opened them up in the store to make sure they were ok (different lot but I wanted to be sure). I would call Purina because the store told me they'd be reimbursed for all of that because Purina guarantees it. | |
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Location: NC | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-02 9:56 AM
Ya my work won't refund me cause I used about 90% of the bag the rest is mold. And they want the bag back and will give me a $1 off my next bag......
I'll give Purina a call
They want the bag back so THEY can get paid for it from Purina. They're trying to jip you out of your refund.
Call Purina. Get your money back. And I would switch feeds. Or at least where you're buying from. | |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Here's the thing.. you bought it two weeks ago, but it was shipped to TSC and went to their wharehouse first, so by the time it got to the store it was at least 30 days old. I won't buy feed from TSC or Atwoods for this reason (unless I am in dire need and for whatever reason they can't go a day without, then I will only buy a pelleted feed).
I also agree, if your store won't refund you, don't give them the bag back... they will get a refund on it anyway, and screw you out of your refund. Go directly to Purina!
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| Thank you everyone to your help. I buy it from my work cause in get a discount but mainly the other feed store chargers waaaaaay over price for their feed and the nearest feed store is 1 hr away | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I'd say they are jerking you around because you work there and just because they can. I have 3 big (50 gallon?) plastic garbage cans in my barn. 1 for Omolene 500, 1 for Nutrena SC Sr and 1 that I fill with oats out of my grain bin. I can seal them up to keep critters out and that way I can check each bag as I dump it in. | |
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Location: NC | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-02 2:14 PM
I'm buying a plastic container so I can store it in
I use trash cans. We have one for Complete, one for flax & one for dog food. We fit about 3 bags in one at a time. | |
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Location: Central Okla. | You've got a problem in that you bought it 2 weeks ago. So you can't be sure it was moldy when you got it or not. If half the bag is moldy, i'd think you would have notices when you picked it up. But maybe not if it's on the inside. HOwever, Calling Purina is probably better than dealing with TSC about it.
You might also call the State Dept of Ag and file a complaint. They have an office designated for feed complaints. At least they do in OK. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I got some moldy clumps in my feed last February. The feed store where I bought it exchanged it bag for bag for new feed. I would change where I buy feed if they don't stand behind the products they sell. Maybe change where I worked as well. lol
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Location: Alabama | Not long after strategy came out, I got 2 bags that were bad. I called my local feed store. They made a note at the register. Next time I came in, I got 2 free bags. They did not ask for the bags/feed back. I've had 2 bad bags of purina in 21 years (hundreds of bags) & they were replaced with no problem. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | It IS your own store’s manager that is jerking you around….Several years ago, we got a couple of bags of “moldy” Purina Feed……TSC took it back immediately (one bag was almost empty). Since the manager of that store won’t make it right with you….call Purina (be prepared to give them the information off of the bag)…..you will get a refund because they DO stand behind their products. …and then call the headquarters of TSC and file a complaint……..
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Location: So. California | Also, if you do return the bag, please take photos of all pertinent information on the bag and put a small sample in a plastic zip lock bag for future reference if needed. Not a customer friendly business... | |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 9:45 PM OK I went a fed my made this afternoon. I opened her bag of Purina omolene 200 performance feed and a funky smell came out and I look in and the bottom of the bag is all mold. I bought it 2 weeks ago. Its kept away in dry area. She has been wheezing the past 2.5 days. Idk what happens in this kinda situation. Its says illness or death. But idk what symptoms can happen. Having a hard time getting ahold of vets tonight so I turned to you guys for help.
Was it sitting on concrete because it will suck the moister from the concrete?
Been there done that.
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Location: Kansas | hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
Junk? I feed two very old horses Equine Senior mixed with Purina 200. They look and feel wonderful. You can't condemn a high quality feed because one bag got wet somewhere along the way.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2014-05-02 7:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
I agree.....In the past we have used Purina and have had great success with it.....Frankly, there isn't another feed company out there that spends as much money in research than Purina....I would venture to say that ALL feed companies have had their problems at one time or another with bad raw product, mold, etc....it is the nature of the business. I kind of hate it when someone who actually has NO expertise or knowledge of how feed is produced can make such blanket statements about feed. | |
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Location: NC | Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation.
I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients.
And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists.
Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there.
I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
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| I agree with purina being junk .. Have fed it , seen no good results . I think they are a money hungry company ... They do not really care about their costumer or our equine partners . I have had so many tags of strategy healthy edge .. All different ingredients .. It's ridiculous . Trust me , I know alot about the company . I won't give any inside info .. But I know they are all about money . | |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I had my mare on omolene 200 for awhile. She looked FABULOUS on it! Took her off when she got hurt and wasn't working and went back to oats. Thinking about going back on it. I've always liked Purina. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
I'll match your expertise any day....I worked in the research lab of GPC (Kent Feeds) for over ten years.........to condemn a feed company that spends MILLIONS of $$ on research is asinine. EVERY company makes a "cheap" feed. You are entitled to your "opinon" but lay it out for what it is....JUST an "opinion"......you have NO expertise in the feed manufacturing and research........For every adverse opinion of Purina, you could probably find 10 that use it and get along just fine as with EVERY feed company out there.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-05-02 7:06 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 9:45 PM OK I went a fed my made this afternoon. I opened her bag of Purina omolene 200 performance feed and a funky smell came out and I look in and the bottom of the bag is all mold. I bought it 2 weeks ago. Its kept away in dry area. She has been wheezing the past 2.5 days. Idk what happens in this kinda situation. Its says illness or death. But idk what symptoms can happen. Having a hard time getting ahold of vets tonight so I turned to you guys for help. Was it sitting on concrete because it will suck the moister from the concrete?
Been there done that.
I made that mistake once too DJG. I didn't even try to return it because I knew it was my own fault. Now my extras are stacked on top of old lick tubs and the bags I'm feeding are in garbage cans. | |
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Location: Midwest | NJJ - 2014-05-02 7:39 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 7:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
Purina isn't junk. I have fed it in the past. I feed the Purina dog food to this day.
And OP, it's that TSC manager that is yanking you.
Call Purina and I would bet they will make it right. Have all the info and they may ask for photos of the mold (for their own files/knowledge/tracking)
I fed Purina for many years with no issues... I just prefer TC. And yes, TCC does have molasses. Not a ton, but it's there.
And sorry for lack of contrast, stole this from a forum... but the NSC values for Purina are pretty comparable to other companies.
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM
hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis!
Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients.
Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet.
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| hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM
NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM
hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis!
Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients.
Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet.
For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it.
We're the biology courses equine or human?
Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose.
"Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses...,
The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010)
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Location: NC | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology
You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
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| hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology
You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn. So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : )
I have no idea what purina uses as purina horse feed is not licensed in Canada.
According to the last sentence the left over corn and yeast from making ethanol is used in animal feed this being low in starch high in vitamin b and protein, I would be interested in seeing how the companies are using corn.
Cracked corn may have been the raw form, but my guess if yeast is on the ingredient list, they are using the above process.
Also I am speaking about pelleted feeds, not sweet feed.
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Location: NC | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 12:15 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology
You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn. So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : )
I have no idea what purina uses as purina horse feed is not licensed in Canada.
According to the last sentence the left over corn and yeast from making ethanol is used in animal feed this being low in starch high in vitamin b and protein, I would be interested in seeing how the companies are using corn.
Cracked corn may have been the raw form, but my guess if yeast is on the ingredient list, they are using the above process.
Also I am speaking about pelleted feeds, not sweet feed.
Both the Senior and Omolenes (and other textured Purina feeds) use CRACKED corn, so they're not extruding anything. It's just there, in the bag, as cracked corn.
Their pelleted feeds use generic terminology to describe what is in the bag.
"Collective feed names are used to avoid preparation of new labels if one or more ingredients is changed (Table II). When collective feed names are used, individual ingredients within a group aren’t listed on the label. Collective feed names are used on feed labels when diets are developed based on least-cost formulation, which ensures a constant guaranteed analysis. Least-cost diet formulation will select the most inexpensive ingredients to provide the guaranteed analysis. As a result, the percentage of ingredients selected may vary with each diet formulation."
Here's the site I found that excerpt from and it has some more relevant info. Amazing what you can learn just from looking up research information from unbiased sources........
http://www.ianrpubs.unl.edu/pages/publicationD.jsp?publicationId=12
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| The information you posted is old 7 years, there are no references and not peer reviewed.
Canadian laws are different for the tags on the bag, and yes it can change, also when we purchase feed they have to record the lot number on our account that way if there is a recall people are notified.
I can say I have been called for a recall as the contents of the bag did not match the tag, one ingredient was missing. | |
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Location: NC | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 1:02 PM
The information you posted is old 7 years, there are no references and not peer reviewed.
Canadian laws are different for the tags on the bag, and yes it can change, also when we purchase feed they have to record the lot number on our account that way if there is a recall people are notified.
I can say I have been called for a recall as the contents of the bag did not match the tag, one ingredient was missing.
The basic definitions of feed stuffs haven't changed. And they never will. Many other articles/sources say the same things. Trust me, I've read plenty. This is a "basic" way to understand feeds, tags, and basic nutrition. It wasn't meant to be a study into the physiological processes of the equine metabolism. Just a basic "here's what you tag really means" thing.
Using general terms instead of exact ingredients allows feed companies, like Purina, to vary the formula in each batch to their liking. If soybean prices go up, they can replace is with cottonseed meal. Same with other ingredients. As long as the analysis stays the same, the ingredients can change.
No thanks. I'll stick with fixed formula with ingredients I can read, understand and be sure my formula doesn't change with prices. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : )
Cheryl is 100% correct on her information regarding corn and UNLESS you have actually toured (or worked) in a feed manufacturing plant, you don't have a CLUE as to how the corn is processed for the feed....you had better stick to human biology..... | |
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Location: relocated to Texas | You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain.
Not all Purina feed is "sweet".......We have fed feed from numerous companies and they ALL have a problem with their "sweet" concoctions.....especially if they are not handled correctly, are in humid conditions, stored on cement, etc.....we lost a horse due to colic (that we were boarding while we moved back to Iowa) because the guy kept his sweet feed in a freezer and it was moldy...and it wasn't Purina.....just saying, it happens with ALL brands..... | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain.
That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice. | |
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 3:15 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : )
Um. Last time I checked, the Omolenes and the Equine Senior are all SWEET feeds. Which have cracked corn in them.
No mystery there sweet cheeks. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize they're poor quality feeds. Plain and simple.
I know you really don't want to admit when I actually know what I'm talking about, but I think you're just grasping at straws. I know what I'm talking about. I have experience with what I'm talking about. And I'm not afraid to say how I feel about a company that is not doing their customers justice. Everyone wants what is best for their animals. Purina makes their feeds the cheapest way they know how. THAT is the research they're doing. Nothing nutritious about it I'm sure.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-03 3:38 PM NJJ - 2014-05-03 3:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : ) Um. Last time I checked, the Omolenes and the Equine Senior are all SWEET feeds. Which have cracked corn in them. No mystery there sweet cheeks. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize they're poor quality feeds. Plain and simple. I know you really don't want to admit when I actually know what I'm talking about, but I think you're just grasping at straws. I know what I'm talking about. I have experience with what I'm talking about. And I'm not afraid to say how I feel about a company that is not doing their customers justice. Everyone wants what is best for their animals. Purina makes their feeds the cheapest way they know how. THAT is the research they're doing. Nothing nutritious about it I'm sure.
OMG.....are you serious......Have you EVER even BEEN in a feed manufacturing plant.....or a feed research facility.....or have a degree in equine nutrition.....or ever actually BEEN to a Purina mill.........if so, I will certainly "bow down" to YOUR expertise......
What's really funny is that it wasn't THAT long ago....all "racing" horses were fed straight oats.....and did just fine....but you are probably a little too young to remember any of that because it was before your "internet education".....bon jour!
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Location: relocated to Texas | NJJ - 2014-05-04 2:03 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. Not all Purina feed is "sweet".......We have fed feed from numerous companies and they ALL have a problem with their "sweet" concoctions.....especially if they are not handled correctly, are in humid conditions, stored on cement, etc.....we lost a horse due to colic (that we were boarding while we moved back to Iowa) because the guy kept his sweet feed in a freezer and it was moldy...and it wasn't Purina.....just saying, it happens with ALL brands.....
And Norma, I just read your post above. I would definately feed straight oats over feeding a processed feed or a feed with molasses.
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Location: relocated to Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
Glad it works for you. I personally, don't like. I gave my opinion and my opinion is that I think its crap. I have a good friend in Iowa who lives and works on a family grain farm. One year the crop was huge, she said there was so much grain they couldn't get it to the elevators and store it, there was no more room. So the farmers piled it up in the fields. She said their were huge piles with black mold on them. I asked her what the heck they were going to do with that grain. She said, "Sell it for animal feed." She wouldn't feed her horses processed feed or feed covered with molasses for this reason. I buy whole grain and mix my own. I want to know that I am feeding clean grain. IMO Woody's is one brand that has the cleanest grain out there. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2014-05-03 4:26 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
I agree with what your saying Sweet Cheeks, LOL....
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Location: Florida.. | hlynn - 2014-05-03 4:38 PM NJJ - 2014-05-03 3:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : ) Um. Last time I checked, the Omolenes and the Equine Senior are all SWEET feeds. Which have cracked corn in them. No mystery there sweet cheeks. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize they're poor quality feeds. Plain and simple. I know you really don't want to admit when I actually know what I'm talking about, but I think you're just grasping at straws. I know what I'm talking about. I have experience with what I'm talking about. And I'm not afraid to say how I feel about a company that is not doing their customers justice. Everyone wants what is best for their animals. Purina makes their feeds the cheapest way they know how. THAT is the research they're doing. Nothing nutritious about it I'm sure.
Purina equine Senior is NOT sweet feed.. I fed it before triple crown. and I would feed the SR.. its a soft pellet with beet pulp in it so it is a texture pellet.. not sweet feed as you state..just to clarify.I wouldnt feed ANY brand sweet feed.. | |
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 5:26 PM
Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
No one said they were the ONLY junk feed company. They're one of them for sure though.
And how did we get on the topic of oats? I was talking about corn. Cheryl posted about corn. Now you're talking about oats. Again, changing subjects. Grasping at anything you can.
My feed has oats in it. But you can be sure there isn't any cracked corn in it.
No one even mentioned oats. You need to READ. And stop throwing random things around.
And yes, I have been to feed mills. Quite a few different ones. For all types of livestock. I don't need to tour Purina to know it's junk. Reading their tags gives me that idea. Which I'm fully entitled to. | |
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Location: NC | Bibliafarm - 2014-05-03 6:22 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-03 4:38 PM NJJ - 2014-05-03 3:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : ) Um. Last time I checked, the Omolenes and the Equine Senior are all SWEET feeds. Which have cracked corn in them. No mystery there sweet cheeks. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize they're poor quality feeds. Plain and simple. I know you really don't want to admit when I actually know what I'm talking about, but I think you're just grasping at straws. I know what I'm talking about. I have experience with what I'm talking about. And I'm not afraid to say how I feel about a company that is not doing their customers justice. Everyone wants what is best for their animals. Purina makes their feeds the cheapest way they know how. THAT is the research they're doing. Nothing nutritious about it I'm sure.
Last time I read a feed tag for it, cracked corn was listed on the tag. | |
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Location: Florida.. | I dont care . it is not a sweet feed.. maybe in the pellet there is but its not a sweet feed. LOL.. it even states on bag.. pellet..
Im a Triple crown believer but I have fed equine senior .
all sweet feed is bad IMHO.. which ALL brands make or most do.just want to clarify .. not argue.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-03 5:31 PM And yes, I have been to feed mills. Quite a few different ones. For all types of livestock. I don't need to tour Purina to know it's junk. Reading their tags gives me that idea. Which I'm fully entitled to.
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 7:03 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-03 5:31 PM And yes, I have been to feed mills. Quite a few different ones. For all types of livestock. I don't need to tour Purina to know it's junk. Reading their tags gives me that idea. Which I'm fully entitled to.
Which ones? Name them........
The Chief in Rose Hill, Butterball/Goldsboro Milling in Goldsboro, Coker in Goldsboro, the feed mill & lab in Raleigh, and a smaller private one in Pikeville. Along with the feed labs for Goldsboro Milling and the feed lab in Raleigh. The one in Raleigh was the best. The guy understood nutrition to the extent that I was hoping for. Very smart guy. Enjoyed that tour.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-03 6:31 PM NJJ - 2014-05-03 7:03 PM hlynn - 2014-05-03 5:31 PM And yes, I have been to feed mills. Quite a few different ones. For all types of livestock. I don't need to tour Purina to know it's junk. Reading their tags gives me that idea. Which I'm fully entitled to. Which ones? Name them........ The Chief in Rose Hill, Butterball/Goldsboro Milling in Goldsboro, Coker in Goldsboro, the feed mill & lab in Raleigh, and a smaller private one in Pikeville. Along with the feed labs for Goldsboro Milling and the feed lab in Raleigh. The one in Raleigh was the best. The guy understood nutrition to the extent that I was hoping for. Very smart guy. Enjoyed that tour. The others were for all kinds of livestock. Hogs, turkeys, chickens, horses, cows, etc. | |
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 5:26 PM
Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
Ok. I have to say something.
Just because straight oats worked "back in your day", doesn't mean it was perfect. Horses are not the same animals they were back then. We have come a LOOOONG way in education and scientific research. Why would we stick with an archaic way of doing things if we have discovered much better ways or much better things to feed our animals?
We learned that oats are not balanced enough on their own, and are very high in starch, so moderation is best when it comes to most cereal grains. Most people that feed plain oats today also feed a vitamin/mineral along with them. Because research showed that it was needed in order to balance the diet.
They used to use animal protein byproducts in feeds. It worked at the time, so why change it? Pellets used to be just anything, no real idea of what exactly they put in the things. Now everything is regulated and looked after a whole lot more than it ever has been. (Some better than others)
Purina is one of the oldest feed companies. Which I think makes them behind the power curve. Other younger companies have came out with far better choices in feed. Better ingredients, better formulas, better prices. Purina needs to step up to the plate. Nutrena used to be on my bad list, but they've made a lot of changes in the past few years. A LOT. New formulas. Adding the NSC content right to their tags. Upping their game to be more competitive with companies like ADM, Triple Crown, Buckeye, Seminole, etc.
I read the tags of the Purina feeds when I myself worked at TSC. I wasn't impressed. This is my personal opinion. You can call my "internet education" wrong all you want, it still does not negate the fact that Purina is behind the power curve and will be until they catch up to the quality in the other companies.
For other animals, they might be leaders. But Purina still isn't top of the list for quality when it comes to equines. This is my informed opinion of the company. Which I'm entitled to. Just like you are entitled to support them, I'm allowed to say they're junk. Goes both ways.
And all those visits to feed labs and mills were through my animal science classes &/or internships. So I have more than just an 'internet education'. But you'll probably find a way to make my college education pointless too, so I'll just keep it to myself.
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Hlynn, are you familiar with Dr. Gary Potter's work in equine nutrition?
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| I wonder why Omelene 200 is the #1 seller on race tracks? I have a barn full of old horses and feed the SR. I don't have a selection of brands in my area. Our area feed stores often run out and it can be a week or longer. Purina I can usually find even if I have to go to another near by town. | |
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Location: relocated to Texas | NJJ - 2014-05-04 3:26 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
I am not trying to say that Purina is the only company that puts out what I consider a crap feed. This thread was about Omolene 200 and I was commenting on that.
As far as where that grain went, I can only tell you what my friend told me. She said she would never feed a pelleted or a processed feed because several of these companies buy the lower quality grains (dusty,moldy, etc.) and she was sure they used it in some of those feeds. Makes sense to me to mix my own whole grains (oats, barley & corn) as I can see if the grain is free of mold, dust or bugs, and then feed Dynamite which is an excellent mineral supplement. Been doing this for probably 14 years on my own horses and training horses.
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Location: relocated to Texas | cinch - 2014-05-04 9:57 PM I wonder why Omelene 200 is the #1 seller on race tracks? I have a barn full of old horses and feed the SR. I don't have a selection of brands in my area. Our area feed stores often run out and it can be a week or longer. Purina I can usually find even if I have to go to another near by town.
Where did this infomation come from? Not arguing, just curious as I have never heard this before.
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Elite Veteran
Posts: 1150
Location: LaCygne, KS | I usually avoid commenting on the threads that turn to 'bashing", but since this one hasn't died after several days, i think I wll wade in.
Hlynn, if nothing else, you are predictiable. Any one that has ever tuned into "How the Barrel Horse World Turns" can predict that you are going to blow a gasket telling us your opionion (repeatedly) if someone asks a question about Purina. I note on your profile page that you have 2270 some posts. Probably the majority of them were informing us about the evils of Purina. But you don't have a real name on there (or the name of the high school that you studied Biology and had your 'animal science' class) . Or was it JuCo credit while you studied feed tags at TSC.
I and my family before me have fed Purina feed for at least 65 years to four species of livestock. If they still gave a checkerboard commerative knife every time a customer bought a 100 ton, we would have a drawer full. I will continue to feed their equine feed because I have confidence that (a) it is researched by honest, educated nutritionists that have PhD's behind their names, (b) Safety-my feed is manufactured in a plant that is Ionophore free and that every incoming load of ingrediants coming into the plant is tested for Aflatoxins with state of the art testing equiptment, (c) The Purina dealers and reps in my area support 4-H, rodeo, county fairs, all equine events more than all the other feed companies combined. (d) Oh ya, and my horses do good on it.
I had more than a few chemistry and animal nutrition classes in college (yes, I have a B.S. and Masters degree from Kansas State University ). But when I have a nutrition question on my horses, I consult my area Purina rep or one of the Purina nutritionists as they are not "Behind the Curve". Conversly, IMO, Purina has set the standard in introducing new, researched horse feed in the last 25 years.
Hlynn, obviously you are welcome to your opinions and can feed whatever. I will do the same. But, after I sat silent for several years. I am throwing the bull**** flag on you and may from time to time call you out. I own zero stock in Purina. However, I consider many of the folks associated Purina as trustworthy, honest, knowledgeable friends. Keep it above the board and factual if you pick on my friends.
John Teagarden (my name and address are in my profile)
Edited by Prehistoric 2014-05-03 11:54 PM
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Prehistoric - 2014-05-03 11:48 PM I usually avoid commenting on the threads that turn to 'bashing", but since this one hasn't died after several days, i think I wll wade in.
Hlynn, if nothing else, you are predictiable. Any one that has ever tuned into "How the Barrel Horse World Turns" can predict that you are going to blow a gasket telling us your opionion (repeatedly) if someone asks a question about Purina. I note on your profile page that you have 2270 some posts. Probably the majority of them were informing us about the evils of Purina. But you don't have a real name on there (or the name of the high school that you studied Biology and had your 'animal science' class) . Or was it JuCo credit while you studied feed tags at TSC.
I and my family before me have fed Purina feed for at least 65 years to four species of livestock. If they still gave a checkerboard commerative knife every time a customer bought a 100 ton, we would have a drawer full. I will continue to feed their equine feed because I have confidence that (a) it is researched by honest, educated nutritionists that have PhD's behind their names, (b) Safety-my feed is manufactured in a plant that is Ionophore free and that every incoming load of ingrediants coming into the plant is tested for Aflatoxins with state of the art testing equiptment, (c) The Purina dealers and reps in my area support 4-H, rodeo, county fairs, all equine events more than all the other feed companies combined. (d) Oh ya, and my horses do good on it.
I had more than a few chemistry and animal nutrition classes in college (yes, I have a B.S. and Masters degree from Kansas State University ). But when I have a nutrition question on my horses, I consult my area Purina rep or one of the Purina nutritionists as they are not "Behind the Curve". Conversly, IMO, Purina has set the standard in introducing new, researched horse feed in the last 25 years.
Hlynn, obviously you are welcome to your opinions and can feed whatever. I will do the same. But, after I sat silent for several years. I am throwing the bull**** flag on you and may from time to time call you out. I own zero stock in Purina. However, I consider many of the folks associated Purina as trustworthy, honest, knowledgeable friends. Keep it above the board and factual if you pick on my friends.
John Teagarden (my name and address are in my profile)
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Goat Giver
Posts: 23166
| I decided to try and be tactful last night and I hope I am still tactful. However, I have not only tremendous respect for Purina as a company, I often shake my head at the myths people believe concerning feeds. Unlike Prehistoric, I didn't hang around and get my Master's. I did however when I was pregnant with my son take graduate classes to pass the time while waiting on hubby to finish his last semester. One of them was a wonderful graduate equine nutrition class. Previously as an undergrad, I worked with grad students who were working under this professor in order to grab some credit hours. I got credits for feeding and exercising horses on a high fat diet......sounded like a good deal to me. Of course they were donated horses that were a little psycho, but I was younger then and didn't care.
Here's the deal. Fixed formula feeds are probably some better, but a body can't really tell if a calorie comes from sorghum or corn in a pelleted feed. For a horse without ulcers or other metabolic issues, a good least cost ration formulation can be great. I won tons of money feeding Omolene to a horse. When he crow hopped a little warming up, I was going to win $$$$. Bender did better on Strategy. Since I currently have one with ulcer issues and one that ties up, Renew Gold is probably going to be my go to feed for a while. I never regulated my kids sugar intake, but I kept them busy. They never acted stupid if they had a candy bar and a coke. Son ate pop tarts and had a Big Red for breakfast most of his life. He's not fat, and he managed to turn in to a productive member of society. Point here, feed according to the use of the horse and take into consideration any issues the horse may have.
I'll feed my horses as individuals and use what I learned from Dr. Potter years ago as well as study new RESEARCH by accredited people.
He let the way and many have built on that. The research project I worked on, feeding fat to horses. Nobody had done it yet. I'm thankful he started us on this path even if at the time, it was corn oil. New reseach has taught us about what kinds of fats are best. Isn't that great? | |
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Fact Checker
Posts: 16575
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Prehistoric - 2014-05-03 11:48 PM I usually avoid commenting on the threads that turn to 'bashing", but since this one hasn't died after several days, i think I wll wade in.
Hlynn, if nothing else, you are predictiable. Any one that has ever tuned into "How the Barrel Horse World Turns" can predict that you are going to blow a gasket telling us your opionion (repeatedly) if someone asks a question about Purina. I note on your profile page that you have 2270 some posts. Probably the majority of them were informing us about the evils of Purina. But you don't have a real name on there (or the name of the high school that you studied Biology and had your 'animal science' class) . Or was it JuCo credit while you studied feed tags at TSC.
I and my family before me have fed Purina feed for at least 65 years to four species of livestock. If they still gave a checkerboard commerative knife every time a customer bought a 100 ton, we would have a drawer full. I will continue to feed their equine feed because I have confidence that (a) it is researched by honest, educated nutritionists that have PhD's behind their names, (b) Safety-my feed is manufactured in a plant that is Ionophore free and that every incoming load of ingrediants coming into the plant is tested for Aflatoxins with state of the art testing equiptment, (c) The Purina dealers and reps in my area support 4-H, rodeo, county fairs, all equine events more than all the other feed companies combined. (d) Oh ya, and my horses do good on it.
I had more than a few chemistry and animal nutrition classes in college (yes, I have a B.S. and Masters degree from Kansas State University ). But when I have a nutrition question on my horses, I consult my area Purina rep or one of the Purina nutritionists as they are not "Behind the Curve". Conversly, IMO, Purina has set the standard in introducing new, researched horse feed in the last 25 years.
Hlynn, obviously you are welcome to your opinions and can feed whatever. I will do the same. But, after I sat silent for several years. I am throwing the bull**** flag on you and may from time to time call you out. I own zero stock in Purina. However, I consider many of the folks associated Purina as trustworthy, honest, knowledgeable friends. Keep it above the board and factual if you pick on my friends.
John Teagarden (my name and address are in my profile)
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The Original Cyber Bartender
Location: Washington | Prehistoric - 2014-05-03 9:48 PM I usually avoid commenting on the threads that turn to 'bashing", but since this one hasn't died after several days, i think I wll wade in.
Hlynn, if nothing else, you are predictiable. Any one that has ever tuned into "How the Barrel Horse World Turns" can predict that you are going to blow a gasket telling us your opionion (repeatedly) if someone asks a question about Purina. I note on your profile page that you have 2270 some posts. Probably the majority of them were informing us about the evils of Purina. But you don't have a real name on there (or the name of the high school that you studied Biology and had your 'animal science' class) . Or was it JuCo credit while you studied feed tags at TSC.
I and my family before me have fed Purina feed for at least 65 years to four species of livestock. If they still gave a checkerboard commerative knife every time a customer bought a 100 ton, we would have a drawer full. I will continue to feed their equine feed because I have confidence that (a) it is researched by honest, educated nutritionists that have PhD's behind their names, (b) Safety-my feed is manufactured in a plant that is Ionophore free and that every incoming load of ingrediants coming into the plant is tested for Aflatoxins with state of the art testing equiptment, (c) The Purina dealers and reps in my area support 4-H, rodeo, county fairs, all equine events more than all the other feed companies combined. (d) Oh ya, and my horses do good on it.
I had more than a few chemistry and animal nutrition classes in college (yes, I have a B.S. and Masters degree from Kansas State University ). But when I have a nutrition question on my horses, I consult my area Purina rep or one of the Purina nutritionists as they are not "Behind the Curve". Conversly, IMO, Purina has set the standard in introducing new, researched horse feed in the last 25 years.
Hlynn, obviously you are welcome to your opinions and can feed whatever. I will do the same. But, after I sat silent for several years. I am throwing the bull**** flag on you and may from time to time call you out. I own zero stock in Purina. However, I consider many of the folks associated Purina as trustworthy, honest, knowledgeable friends. Keep it above the board and factual if you pick on my friends.
John Teagarden (my name and address are in my profile)
BRAVO. 
I get so tired of the Purina bashing here. I have been feeding their products forever. We use the Strategy and we used Senior.
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 BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't know why but I haven't been that interested in equine nutrition.
To me, it's almost like arguing over who makes the best pickup. What's needed is a definitive comparitive study of a variety of feeds and an analysis that measures the same variables and parameters in a sizable group of horses. Until that happens this debate will continue indefinitely. | |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh heck I have been feeding Purina Products for many moons too, never had a problem. The only reason I can see it going bad is because its been sitting to long. I have used other companys and got bad feed I just take it back, but I dont bash them and wont name them either. It can happen with any feed. I'm not feeding Purina feed to my horses now, I have a feed mill not to far from me that I have been using for years, but still use their other products. | |
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Mold found in my Purina omolene 200