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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/may/02/nevada-man-unlikely-owner-kentucky-derby-favorite/
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Location: Arkansas | And another tid bit on California Chrom's connections. While all of the monnied were staying in $1,000 night hotel's in Louisville, Chrom's connections were staying at the Hampton Inn in Frankfurt, Ky.  That's a ways from Louisville.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | An $8000 mare that was a flop on the track and a $2000 stud fee. What a Cinderella story. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 7:10 PM An $8000 mare that was a flop on the track and a $2000 stud fee. What a Cinderella story.
Correction: She originally was purchased by 15 investors The two present owners had each invested $3900 for a 5% stake each. When she "bombed" at the track the other investors sold out to them for the $8000. Then she was bred for $2000 and produced California Chrome.......his breeding
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | NJJ - 2014-05-04 7:14 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 7:10 PM An $8000 mare that was a flop on the track and a $2000 stud fee. What a Cinderella story. Correction: She originally was purchased by 15 investors The two present owners had each invested $3900 for a 5% stake each. When she "bombed" at the track the other investors sold out to them for the $8000. Then she was bred for $2000 and produced California Chrome.......his breeding
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/california+chrome
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What a fabulous story! Proof that most expensive/richest doesn't mean BEST! Way to go California Chrome and Art Sherman!
Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer.
Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey.
With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-05-04 7:35 PM From the BBR facebook page... What a fabulous story! Proof that most expensive/richest doesn't mean BEST! Way to go California Chrome and Art Sherman! Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer. Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer.
The story begins five years ago when Coburn, convinced the government was taking too much of his money, went looking for a tax break. He wanted to buy an airplane and write it off, but that's a $250,000 venture. So, he and his wife, Carolyn, took a more cautious approach: They'd buy a horse.
In 2008, the Coburns became part of a 15-partner syndicate for a small filly named Love the Chase. They put down $3,900 for a 5 percent stake. But after Love the Chase flopped as a thoroughbred, the partners wanted to cut their losses and offered the horse to Coburn for $8,000. One other partner Perry and Denise Martin, from Yuba City, Calif. was interested, too, so they bought the horse together having never met. |
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Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that.
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Itsme - 2014-05-04 7:35 PM From the BBR facebook page... What a fabulous story! Proof that most expensive/richest doesn't mean BEST! Way to go California Chrome and Art Sherman! Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer. Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer.
The story begins five years ago when Coburn, convinced the government was taking too much of his money, went looking for a tax break. He wanted to buy an airplane and write it off, but that's a $250,000 venture. So, he and his wife, Carolyn, took a more cautious approach: They'd buy a horse.
In 2008, the Coburns became part of a 15-partner syndicate for a small filly named Love the Chase. They put down $3,900 for a 5 percent stake. But after Love the Chase flopped as a thoroughbred, the partners wanted to cut their losses and offered the horse to Coburn for $8,000. One other partner Perry and Denise Martin, from Yuba City, Calif. was interested, too, so they bought the horse together having never met.
Not sure why you quoted me, the BBR post had a lot about the 77 yo trainer while the OP had none... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-05-04 9:00 PM NJJ - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Itsme - 2014-05-04 7:35 PM From the BBR facebook page... What a fabulous story! Proof that most expensive/richest doesn't mean BEST! Way to go California Chrome and Art Sherman! Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer. Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer. The story begins five years ago when Coburn, convinced the government was taking too much of his money, went looking for a tax break. He wanted to buy an airplane and write it off, but that's a $250,000 venture. So, he and his wife, Carolyn, took a more cautious approach: They'd buy a horse.
In 2008, the Coburns became part of a 15-partner syndicate for a small filly named Love the Chase. They put down $3,900 for a 5 percent stake. But after Love the Chase flopped as a thoroughbred, the partners wanted to cut their losses and offered the horse to Coburn for $8,000. One other partner Perry and Denise Martin, from Yuba City, Calif. was interested, too, so they bought the horse together having never met. Not sure why you quoted me, the BBR post had a lot about the 77 yo trainer while the OP had none...
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Googled... Says hes a gelding. Rich or poor when your cloud rolls in you learn to dance in the rain. This was no pig of a mare that 15 individuals invested in. Granted those individuals released her for a song. Proves in the right hands you can change your stars. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Wasn't Funny Cide a similar improbable long shot? He cost more, but I thought he was a bargain as well, plus he was a gelding. Just curious.
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Location: Sherman, TX | Google lists many of the Derby horses as geldings. He is a colt, HRTV interview his trainer says he was acting studly in the paddock while schooling him. DRF and Blodhorse refer to him as a colt... |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that.
If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
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Location: Kentucky | Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 9:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
I think CC is bred very well. Our local news station says that he comes from "no name bloodline". I wrote to them and said that wasn't true at all. I really wish horse people would be responsible for reporting on Derby horses.... not the sports guys that only cover basketball and football. |
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| Murphy - 2014-05-05 8:53 AM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 9:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
I find his breeding pretty exceptional as well. Just because his parents didn't cost much in purchase price or breeding fees doesn't mean squat. It's the rest of the story that is the coolest part, IMO. |
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Location: Kentucky | Lightfoot - 2014-05-05 10:13 AM I read that the mare had an undiagnosed breathing problem when she was racing. I wonder how many other babies she has had and how much Lucky Pulpits breeding fee will go up now?
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Location: Kansas | Nateracer - 2014-05-05 9:13 AM Murphy - 2014-05-05 8:53 AM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 9:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
That was my thought as well. The only other Derby horse I could remember was Wicked Strong, so I looked up his pedigree too and CC's is pretty similar. I think they both have Northern Dancer on the top side in fact.
The rest of the story is definitely the cool part. I love reading about the people involved with these horses, especially when they got a bargain and it eventually led to a big win like this. A story like this is a reporter's dream, the type of story you can't wait to write because it's going to resonate with so many of your readers. |
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Location: Memphis, TN | Murphy - 2014-05-05 9:16 AM
Lightfoot - 2014-05-05 10:13 AM I read that the mare had an undiagnosed breathing problem when she was racing. I wonder how many other babies she has had and how much Lucky Pulpits breeding fee will go up now?
I think I heard on Derby Day that she just foaled a full sister to CC this year?
She's had two full sisters to Chrome. This article mentions what happened during her birth to Chrome. http://www.kentuckyderby.com/news/2014/05/01/they-were-famous I believe because of the injury they did not breed her back the year Chrome was born but she has had two fillies since. I kept seeing pictures of him when he was a colt and it looked like Love the Chase had a port in her neck. I always wondered what it was for until I found the article above that mentioned it. |
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Location: California | My husband has known Art for a zillion years. He's a great guy to ride for and everyone at Golden Gate are tickled to death that he won the Derby. I was scared to death on the walkover because he was way on the muscle but once away from the circus he settled. I had a $100 on his nose but I was praying for another horse to be up there - Ride On Curlin. Last into the first turn and horses are getting shut-off by an idiot so it's good he avoided that. Then he runs into dead horses on the rail. Calvin finally had to take him way outside and he ended up 7th. Now twice he had to go around dead horses on the rail. To lose that momentum it takes 7 yards to get it back and we thought he did great considering the traffic. We are looking forward for him to have a clear trip. |
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Location: West Tennessee | jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that.
Oh my gosh -- have you actually looked at his pedigree? His dam's side is loaded with X-facter (large heart gene) horses including Princequillo (Secretariat) -- in the correct spots to pass it on.
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Location: Ky | Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 8:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
Then why is it a story? That's pretty ignorant if you ask me. Thing is, no one asked me and no one asked you. |
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Location: Kansas | jd&ez - 2014-05-05 4:08 PM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 8:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
California Chrome's background and the people who own him, train him, ride him etc., are a story because he just won the Kentucky Derby. Therefore people are interested in him and his connections. It's what journalists call a 'TIMELY' story and every journalist covering the Triple Crown is going to look for his/her own angle to make their story unique, so each story has a little bit different set of information in it. California Chrome would be a story no matter who his sire & dam were. |
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Location: NE Texas | fastwrapn3 - 2014-05-05 4:26 PM I almost choked when one of the announcers called him "cowbred" I looked at the pedigree, all I could see were some nice thoroughbreds.
CAL bred.....as in California Bred. LOL Did sound like they were saying "cow" bred sometimes though. :) |
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| Herbie - 2014-05-05 4:34 PM fastwrapn3 - 2014-05-05 4:26 PM I almost choked when one of the announcers called him "cowbred" I looked at the pedigree, all I could see were some nice thoroughbreds. CAL bred.....as in California Bred. LOL Did sound like they were saying "cow" bred sometimes though. :)
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | jd&ez - 2014-05-05 4:08 PM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 8:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
The horse himself is the story along with how he and his connections got there.
The ignorant statement you made is saying he was an aberation
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Location: NE Texas | Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 4:52 PM jd&ez - 2014-05-05 4:08 PM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 8:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
The ignorant statement you made is saying he was an aberation
And when you post on a public forum, dont expect all people to agree with you.
I'm with you, canchaser1.....I've watched this horse since befor ethe Santa Anita Derby and have been following this horse for more than a couple of months. In the SA, I thought he finished stronger than i'd seen any TB finish in quite a long time. Typically they look like they are about to trot at the wire, but not CC...he came aroudn the turn and sprinted home. Right then I knew he'd win the Derby if he got out. I think he's a super horse....and I don't care what his pedigree is or isn't; he's special! He's proven to me and alot of others who are dreamers that with hardwork and a fast horse with a big heart, anything is possible when given the chance.
The horse isn't poorly bred at all, he's just not by a royal stallion and out of a royal mare, which is what the owners and trainers look for in colts. Some of these that are well bred a generation or two back are never given the chance to compete. Much like my colt, he's not by a name brander or out of a name brander, but that sucker worked 220 yards in 11.7, which is pretty handy even for a horse that IS name brand. Most of the horses that are well bred a generation or two back are never given the chance to play....how many more are we missing out on? This is a special horse, a special situation, and it has inspired me to go home and work hard, believe in myself and my horse, and enjoy the ride...wherever it may take us! |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | reditorun - 2014-05-05 6:55 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUF4_FL91gk&feature=share[/quote...
I teared up a little watching them so anxiously watching CC win, I don't exactly know why it choked me up a little but it did. I am rooting for him to go all the way, but just that fact that he won the Derby and his story already makes him almost "immortalized" |
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Location: Washington | CC is letting his connections to live the dream, and to come full circle. SO important in life. Love the fact that everyone here is so into this animal. He has a hard road to go from here. He no longer lives his legacy, he is carrying those who need to see another Triple Crown. I know I am guilty...but I thank him for his past races and believing he can do it. Been a fan and will remain one reqardless.
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| TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2014-05-05 6:20 PM
I teared up a little watching them so anxiously watching CC win, I don't exactly know why it choked me up a little but it did. I am rooting for him to go all the way, but just that fact that he won the Derby and his story already makes him almost "immortalized"
I teared up too. It's just so unbelievable that a horse from around here could win the Kentucky Derby! You could tell they sure wanted him to win but weren't sure he was going to. I hope he goes all the way! But even if he doesn't he's been a miracle. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Herbie - 2014-05-05 5:03 PM
Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 4:52 PM jd&ez - 2014-05-05 4:08 PM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 8:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
The ignorant statement you made is saying he was an aberation
And when you post on a public forum, dont expect all people to agree with you.
The horse isn't poorly bred at all, he's just not by a royal stallion and out of a royal mare, which is what the owners and trainers look for in colts. Some of these that are well bred a generation or two back are never given the chance to compete. Much like my colt, he's not by a name brander or out of a name brander, but that sucker worked 220 yards in 11.7, which is pretty handy even for a horse that IS name brand. Most of the horses that are well bred a generation or two back are never given the chance to play....how many more are we missing out on? This is a special horse, a special situation, and it has inspired me to go home and work hard, believe in myself and my horse, and enjoy the ride...wherever it may take us!
Dear Herbie...what you said...makes me feel good all over about this story. What a wonderful winning attitude, thank you! |
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | I love that he has 4 white feet! |
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| ninaom - 2014-05-05 11:19 PM
I love that he has 4 white feet!
Im a sucker for Chrome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: California | Honeymoney - 2014-05-06 9:47 PM That was pretty cool.
LOVED this! Thank you for sharing! |
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Location: Florida | He's got nice breeding, can't beat AP Indy and Mr. Prospector. That is not cow bred unless you are wanting to rope jet propelled steers. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Vickie - 2014-05-06 6:39 AM He's got nice breeding, can't beat AP Indy and Mr. Prospector. That is not cow bred unless you are wanting to rope jet propelled steers.
Cal not cow. The announcer talked funny. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Vickie - 2014-05-06 6:39 AM He's got nice breeding, can't beat AP Indy and Mr. Prospector. That is not cow bred unless you are wanting to rope jet propelled steers. Exactly! He may not be by a "Fashionable" sire but he is a graded stakes horse and he is by Pulpit!! Who IS a very high profile sire. Also when you look at his pedigree, it is a tutorial in line breeding. He is sex balanced Mr Prospector who appears in more Kentuckt Derby winners then any other sire, and he is sex balanced Northern Dancer! He alsobrings the sibling factor through the mare Numbered Account who is by none other then Buckpasser!! This is a classic pedigree and his dosages and center of distribution is also indicitive of a Classic horse.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/california+chrome
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Location: NE Texas | CrossCreek - 2014-05-05 10:57 PM Herbie - 2014-05-05 5:03 PM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 4:52 PM jd&ez - 2014-05-05 4:08 PM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 8:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
The ignorant statement you made is saying he was an aberation
And when you post on a public forum, dont expect all people to agree with you.
The horse isn't poorly bred at all, he's just not by a royal stallion and out of a royal mare, which is what the owners and trainers look for in colts. Some of these that are well bred a generation or two back are never given the chance to compete. Much like my colt, he's not by a name brander or out of a name brander, but that sucker worked 220 yards in 11.7, which is pretty handy even for a horse that IS name brand. Most of the horses that are well bred a generation or two back are never given the chance to play....how many more are we missing out on? This is a special horse, a special situation, and it has inspired me to go home and work hard, believe in myself and my horse, and enjoy the ride...wherever it may take us! Dear Herbie...what you said...makes me feel good all over about this story. What a wonderful winning attitude, thank you!
Thanks, Cross Creek. I think so often we forget how wonderful the journey is....how the daily grind should bring us just as much enjoyment as the end success. Success doesn't have to be winning the Kentucky Derby....though that would be nice! It can be something as simple as loading up and attending a barrel race after a long lay off, or working up from 5D to the 4D.....there are all different levels of success. Sure, we all strive to win the 1D, or win the big race we dream of going to, but I think we forget to set attainable goals along the way to help us see that we are, in fact, making progress and improving each day in reaching that long term goal.
Go California Chorme!!!!!! You and all of your connections have a big fan in NE Texas and no matter what happens from here on out, you have brought me alot of joy and renewed my will to enjoy today!
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Location: Opelousas, LA | jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that.
If that is true, than tell me why big name, proven trainers have to go thru around a hundred very expensive horses a year to find a handfull of horses that will get thier names in Bloodhorse, Speedhorse, etc.? There is a reason there are no real stats in horseracing, it would be easy to do but the big names don't really want that info out there. Too many nice horses fall thru the cracks, royally bred or not. |
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| jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that.
In my opinion all the great horses were/are an aberration. You can find commonalities in almost anything if you look hard enough. There are bits and pieces of the winning combination that people think they have clued in on, but in the end science would guarantee a result. There are no guarantees with horses, and that is what makes it fun. |
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Location: Ky | Whiteboy - 2014-05-06 1:40 PM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. In my opinion all the great horses were/are an aberration. You can find commonalities in almost anything if you look hard enough. There are bits and pieces of the winning combination that people think they have clued in on, but in the end science would guarantee a result. There are no guarantees with horses, and that is what makes it fun.
OK. I've been admonished. The story is "royally bred horse wins Ky Derby!!". I just missed that story everywhere but here. |
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Location: Washington | jd&ez - 2014-05-06 6:22 PM Whiteboy - 2014-05-06 1:40 PM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. In my opinion all the great horses were/are an aberration. You can find commonalities in almost anything if you look hard enough. There are bits and pieces of the winning combination that people think they have clued in on, but in the end science would guarantee a result. There are no guarantees with horses, and that is what makes it fun.
Your quite correct jd&ez. But your word of aberration was strong. Call him a freak, and then everyone is on board. lol
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