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Location: Peach State | I'm trying out a horse mainly for roping/ possible jr rodeo horse for my son later on.... But of course I'm gonna try my hand at possibly training him on barrels and just wanted to know if y'all have any experience racing a foundation bred horse.
He's Hancock bred top and bottom with some Doc bar too.
Here's his pedigree
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/speed+super+star
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | You know, your Doc Bar is 4 generations back, so...don't count much on that, if at all. Double-bred Hancock...um, you can always play with him and see. But those bloodlines are not typically what most people look for when they want to make a sure-enough nice barrel horse.. Hancock was a great horse, but your bloodlines don't exactly scream speed. He might be a gem, though, who knows? I've seen plenty of horses with no name breeding or unlikely breeding turn out to be jam up. Good bloodlines ups your chance, but it's always a crapshoot :) Good luck and mostly, have fun. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | There are some foundation bred 1D horses winning just about every race out here! It's all in the training and the horses heart and love of his/her job! :) |
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| RunninOnARooster - 2014-05-05 10:37 PM
I'm trying out a horse mainly for roping/ possible jr rodeo horse for my son later on.... But of course I'm gonna try my hand at possibly training him on barrels and just wanted to know if y'all have any experience racing a foundation bred horse.
He's Hancock bred top and bottom with some Doc bar too.
Here's his pedigree
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/speed+super+star
I have a mare that is not Hancock bred, but is foundation bred and cow bred and nothing on her papers screems barrels, roping or even performance. She was bred to be a ranch horse and she is 5 this year and is 15.1 and a racey looking sucker that I can rope on WITHOUT a bridle. She ran in the 2-3D as a 3-4yo with limited hauling. I don't doubt anything with heart and try!
For me, its all about mind & heart (obviously the conformation has to allow the horse to perform). I'm not a Hancock fan but I have seen some tough, tough roping horses and a few very nice barrel horses from those lines. I say if you feel (not just think) like he will work then go for it. Listen to your gut!! |
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Location: Peach State | Understood, I know a little about Hancock bred (mainly just athletic rope horses)
hopefully he'll make something nice even if not on barrels
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Location: California | My mare's sire is 97% foundation and I'm prett certain she was mainly bred for color...I picked her up cheap and have had a BLAST training her and running her this past year. Structurally she is correct and she is pretty to boot. She also has a ton of heart and seems to love running barrels.
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| Pretty mare!  I also have a foundation bred mare that I use for barrels and gymkhanas. She's not the fastest thing out there (3-4D) but then again I am a beginner at barrels still. She CLEANS HOUSE if we show up at a gymkhana and is extremely consistent in EVERYTHING she does.
What I really like about her is that I can ask for speed in the arena, and then get off and put my 9 year old on her right out of the arena and she will take care of her or run as fast as anyone asks or is ready for. That's a keeper!  |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | I am so stealing that buckskin one day :P
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Location: Peach State | Bump |
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| Im a big foundation fan, they are generally great well rounded horses, I get they arnt dash for cash fast but lots of them have quite a bit of gas, and cowsence.
Joe Hancock was an undefeated match racehorse, so good people refused to race against him. (Well thats the rumor anyway ;-) ) He sired Rom earners and track winners along with the great cow horses.
I really like the look of your horse :-) |
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Location: Kansas | I have a 6 year old mare that is straight up foundation... I don't think she's going to be the fastest horse around but boy does she want to RUN!!! I've had to keep her off of the pattern because she was starting to get too strong with wanting to go faster than she's ready for. Letting her do other jobs and then I'll start exhibitioning her. |
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Location: Texas | I don't think a horses papers make the horse a performer or not. The horses heart, athleticism, and God given ability does. |
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Location: Kansas | I like the foundation bred horses, especially blue valentine |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | CrossCreek - 2014-05-05 10:49 PM You know, your Doc Bar is 4 generations back, so...don't count much on that, if at all. Double-bred Hancock...um, you can always play with him and see. But those bloodlines are not typically what most people look for when they want to make a sure-enough nice barrel horse.. Hancock was a great horse, but your bloodlines don't exactly scream speed. He might be a gem, though, who knows? I've seen plenty of horses with no name breeding or unlikely breeding turn out to be jam up. Good bloodlines ups your chance, but it's always a crapshoot :) Good luck and mostly, have fun.
Joe Hancock himself was unbeatable on the track...lol I always get a kick out of people thinkin they were just ranch ponys or broncs.... Hancock horses wear many hats... ;) Blue Valentine, if you do your homework on him, he was actually taken to The daddy of um all, to rope on and the daughter of the man that owned him had to run him cause her horse wasn't able to run... HE WON... never under estimate the speed of a Hancock... PLUS you ad that with the good bone and good mind... I think you got yourself a nice pony and besides if he can't out run um, looks like he has a nice enough mix to out turn a few as well.
Ps... I look as far back as I need to, to find the goodie in um all...he he he |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | della - 2014-05-06 11:07 AM Im a big foundation fan, they are generally great well rounded horses, I get they arnt dash for cash fast but lots of them have quite a bit of gas, and cowsence. Joe Hancock was an undefeated match racehorse, so good people refused to race against him. (Well thats the rumor anyway ;-) ) He sired Rom earners and track winners along with the great cow horses. I really like the look of your horse :-) Hey! someone else knows some Hancock race stuff... Plus one of the Ward girls is pretty well mounted these days on some horses with Hancock in their bloodlines
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| This horse could be great for what you are aiming for. I read this article awhile ago and it has stuck with me. It is regarding cutting horses vs. foundation horses but could be applied to all disciplines. I'd like to draw attention specifically to item #3 in the article. http://www.horsetrainingvideos.com/article2.htm
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | My Mom's mare is foundation. She is registered with the NFQHA. (Something like that..lol) She is a little rockstar! She can be a hot little number, but she is all heart. I borrowed her last fall for a two day barrel race and won the 3D saddle on her. First time I ever rode her! She's pretty cool.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kt+red+baracuda
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Location: Peach State | Thanks all for the input!
The only real stuff I had heard before now was that hancocks we're know for bucking and roping!
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | A friend of mine had a daughter of his that I absolutely adored. I would love to cross him on my foundation mare!
He produced good horses in multiple events.
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| I just wanted to add, check out Mel Potter's broodmares band and some of his stallions like MP thriftwood and Lone Drifter, they have a ton of old time blood in thier program. I would die to have a 25% driftwood and hes got several lol. And we all know how sucessful thier breeding program is :-D |
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Location: the high desert | Well i like it. I will be brining this colt home on saturday http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/harts+spitfirenpride he is not bred to be a barrel horse but he has several succesful half siblings winning in barrels, and he also has a full sister who is winning in barrels...so clearly they like barrels even though there not bred to be barrel horses. My plan will be to use him mainly as a barrel horse, but also try other events that im interested in with him (such as team penning, mounted shooting, competitive trail riding, ranch horse competition and maybe some other things). With foundation breeding i think you get a good, solid, trainable mind and thats why it is so easy for many foundation bred horses to be all around type horses (after all, that is what they were bred for) and you also get good bone and foot which is why i think they stay sound for years and years and years even while being used hard everyday. MY "prefect" cross is race/barrel race bred crossed on foundation. That way you get speed from the race and a mind and built to last from the foundation.
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