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        Location: Arizona | I just read/watched the video of a concerned father getting arrested at a school board meeting for "being disruptive." I was wondering what grounds do they legally have to arrest this man? I would have been furious over "adult" reading material being assigned to my 14 year old child too. I just don't understand how they could possibly arrest him for what he did. He wasn't violent or overly boisterous.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/06/watch-what-happens-when-...
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | This is the new Amerika. There was also a mom in Cali who had a restraining order served on her by the school because her child was passing out "opt-out" forms to other students for them to take home to their parents. The forms were for opting out of the new Common Core aligned standardized field tests, which were being pilot tested in schools across the country this spring. Another family was told by police they were trespassing when they showed up for a meeting with the principal (scheduled by the principal) to discuss their children opting out of testing. Apparently, they and their children would only be allowed to be on campus if the kids participated in the testing. Things are already out of control. |
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    Location: That part of Texas | It's one thing to show up at a school board meeting and voice your concerns -- kinda like the guy in the gray shirt did -- and then there's showing up with a camera crew, bouncers of sorts and disobeying a law officer who asks you to get up from your seat after your making remarks out of turn.
Looks to me this guy wanted a fight that he could film and the school board gave him everything he wanted, including a trip down to the P.D. complete with police escort out of the meeting area. Since he remarks about going over the 2 minute mark, I think it's safe to assume that he's already voiced his opinion on the matter once. Anything after that is just egging the situation on.
All the board could pretty much do at that point was apologize and make assurances that it won't happen in the future. I'm not sure what this guy was wanting to happen other than what did so he could become a martyr for "voicing his opinion" because if he didn't, the issue was pretty moot at that point. Don't get me wrong -- I believe in his right to be angry and voice an opinion. It's just that he doesn't have carte blanche on how that's done. |
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     Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Red Raider - 2014-05-06 2:16 PM It's one thing to show up at a school board meeting and voice your concerns -- kinda like the guy in the gray shirt did -- and then there's showing up with a camera crew, bouncers of sorts and disobeying a law officer who asks you to get up from your seat after your making remarks out of turn.
Looks to me this guy wanted a fight that he could film and the school board gave him everything he wanted, including a trip down to the P.D. complete with police escort out of the meeting area. Since he remarks about going over the 2 minute mark, I think it's safe to assume that he's already voiced his opinion on the matter once. Anything after that is just egging the situation on.
All the board could pretty much do at that point was apologize and make assurances that it won't happen in the future. I'm not sure what this guy was wanting to happen other than what did so he could become a martyr for "voicing his opinion" because if he didn't, the issue was pretty moot at that point. Don't get me wrong -- I believe in his right to be angry and voice an opinion. It's just that he doesn't have carte blanche on how that's done.
I respectfully disagree. Is there a law against "disobeying an officer" to this extent? I mean, what was he charged with? Misbehaving? The people surrounding him didn't look frightened or harrassed...he didn't threaten anyone...he was upset & rightly so. I think we should go back to good old fashioned fist fights! Ha!
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     Location: west of East Texas | I agree with the arrest. I also agree with his opinion, but he went about it the wrong way. In my job, I have to attend a public meeting every other week. 'Dad' did not get on the agenda. Dad was speaking in the Public Forum. These agendas usually have to be posted 72 hours in advance in the interest of Open Meetings Acts in various locales. He was speaking in the Public Forum section and there has to be a time limit or people like him would take over and not let the others speak. Every one has the right to voice their opinion and I'm sure he did in his two minutes. He should have done his homework and requested to be put on the agenda where there is not a time limit and allows for discussion from the board.
I've sat in these kinds of meetings where I wondered if I would get caught in the physical crossfire. I've sat in these meetings where the chairman lost control of the Public Forum and law enforcement had to be called. We have had a gun pulled at one meeting. I don't blame the school for having him arrested before it got ugly. |
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      Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | chasendacash - 2014-05-06 4:26 PM I agree with the arrest. I also agree with his opinion, but he went about it the wrong way. In my job, I have to attend a public meeting every other week. 'Dad' did not get on the agenda. Dad was speaking in the Public Forum. These agendas usually have to be posted 72 hours in advance in the interest of Open Meetings Acts in various locales. He was speaking in the Public Forum section and there has to be a time limit or people like him would take over and not let the others speak. Every one has the right to voice their opinion and I'm sure he did in his two minutes. He should have done his homework and requested to be put on the agenda where there is not a time limit and allows for discussion from the board.
I've sat in these kinds of meetings where I wondered if I would get caught in the physical crossfire. I've sat in these meetings where the chairman lost control of the Public Forum and law enforcement had to be called. We have had a gun pulled at one meeting. I don't blame the school for having him arrested before it got ugly.
This is all true. There's always a 'but'...
Anyone who has worked in sales can vouch for 'finding the need within the need", or in this case, "finding the problem within the problem". The problem is that a book with (potential, depending on the ages of the teens in the book) graphic pornography involving minors was distributed to underage students as a reading assignment. That's distribution of child pornography (again, depending on the age of the teens in the book) & supplying pornography to a minor. The first is most definitely illegal & the second is illegal in some states. The school district & teacher should be held accountable in a court of law.
The NEXT problem is that instead of focusing on that, they instead stifled the person who was complaining. Unfortunately he went about his complaining in the wrong way, which could be argued against with Freedom of Speech & protecting a minor, etc. but again, we must follow the rules now, shan't we?
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| Unfortunatly these types of meetings are set up to meet a minimum standard of parental involvment. You must be on the agenda to participate. But what happens if the issue isn't apparant prior to the 7 day cutoff before the meeting? Should the parent have to wait 37 days to discuss the matter at the next scheduled meeting or should we just make them condense summarize this type of problem into a 2 minute overview.
All curriculum should have been reviewed and approved by the board. If the board approved this they should be held accountable. The board are the ones that should have been arrested. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure it is still a crime even if it was accidental.
This story isn't going to end well for that school district.
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        Location: Arizona | Whiteboy - 2014-05-06 5:02 PM
Unfortunatly these types of meetings are set up to meet a minimum standard of parental involvment. You must be on the agenda to participate. But what happens if the issue isn't apparant prior to the 7 day cutoff before the meeting? Should the parent have to wait 37 days to discuss the matter at the next scheduled meeting or should we just make them condense summarize this type of problem into a 2 minute overview.
All curriculum should have been reviewed and approved by the board. If the board approved this they should be held accountable. The board are the ones that should have been arrested. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure it is still a crime even if it was accidental.
This story isn't going to end well for that school district.
They have been using this book as a reading assignment for several years. Normally they send out a notice to parents which allow the student to "opt out" of reading the book if they feel it is inappropriate. They just happened to "forget" this year.
I don't understand why they would need to read this book anyway...I never read anything like that even in high school. What happened to Huckleberry Fin? The Bridge of San Luis Rey? Real literature worth reading. Not some book about a school shooting that also happens to have graphic sexual scenes in it.
You all make valid points, they both could have handled it better. I say the school has made the greater offense but the father could have been more tactful. In my opinion he should not have been arrested though. The school should have been accountable for distributing what is essentially porn to minors however. |
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             Location: North Texas | Red Raider - 2014-05-06 3:16 PM It's one thing to show up at a school board meeting and voice your concerns -- kinda like the guy in the gray shirt did -- and then there's showing up with a camera crew, bouncers of sorts and disobeying a law officer who asks you to get up from your seat after your making remarks out of turn.
Looks to me this guy wanted a fight that he could film and the school board gave him everything he wanted, including a trip down to the P.D. complete with police escort out of the meeting area. Since he remarks about going over the 2 minute mark, I think it's safe to assume that he's already voiced his opinion on the matter once. Anything after that is just egging the situation on.
All the board could pretty much do at that point was apologize and make assurances that it won't happen in the future. I'm not sure what this guy was wanting to happen other than what did so he could become a martyr for "voicing his opinion" because if he didn't, the issue was pretty moot at that point. Don't get me wrong -- I believe in his right to be angry and voice an opinion. It's just that he doesn't have carte blanche on how that's done.
I agree, this event could have been staged. However, there is the idea that perhaps this concerned parent had the entourage with him in case something like this happened. And when I first read this thread w/o viewing the video or reading the article, I anticipated the charge to be 'Disorderly Conduct' and sure enough it was! This charge is fast becoming the 'catch all' for anyone and everyone who does not conform to what Others in Power agree to be 'Orderly Conduct'. I did not view in the video anything that I would have construed as 'Disorderly Conduct'. I believe this Parent has a Valid Point of Contention with this School Board. And furthermore, I would believe that this School Board may well in legal hotwater. |
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I wonder if this man thinks about the example he set for his child? Was he really taking a stand? Does he let his children watch televison, go to R rated movies, does he cuss or drink in front of them? I read what I wanted when I wanted. Read Scruples in junior high school, talk about an eye opener. I still read, but can't say I like books that are raunchy. I do think that a parent should have some control over what is being presented to a child in classroom. I think it is MORE IMPORTANT to build such a good foundation at home that what is presented doesn't matter. So, even though I'm not a fan of public education, I'm siding with the school board on this one. |
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The following is what The School Board has to say:
“The School District policies IGE, IJ, IJA, KEC (available on the school district website) refer to the procedures for the use of novels containing controversial material. The district will take immediate action to revise these policies to include notification that requires parents to accept controversial materials rather than to opt out. Furthermore, the notification will detail more specifically the controversial material.”
Note highlighted text. Just who the hell is in charge here?! The School Board or The Parents? Who funds The School Board?
Later excerpt from article: Baer told EAGNews.org that he believes the incident is proof that public schools are trying to indoctrinate children with moral relativism. “Many people in education and government truly believe our children are theirs,” he told the group. “These school incidents are a byproduct of this ‘we know best’ philosophy.”
I agree with Mr. Baer's Point of View in regards to this! |
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             Location: North Texas | kmcsunshine - 2014-05-06 9:24 PM My 2 cents......
I wonder if this man thinks about the example he set for his child? Was he really taking a stand? Does he let his children watch televison, go to R rated movies, does he cuss or drink in front of them? I read what I wanted when I wanted. Read Scruples in junior high school, talk about an eye opener. I still read, but can't say I like books that are raunchy. I do think that a parent should have some control over what is being presented to a child in classroom. I think it is MORE IMPORTANT to build such a good foundation at home that what is presented doesn't matter. So, even though I'm not a fan of public education, I'm siding with the school board on this one.
KM, I understand and agree with Your Arguement. However, there is a 'But' in this.
Read my post previous to yours in regards to The School Board's Policy (highlighted in yellow) and then please give Me/Us Your thoughts then. And Yes, I am fully aware that Your Children were/are Home Schooled. It is scenario(s) and mindset(s) like this School Board's that drive Folks to Home School! And why My Boys are in a Top Rated/Tiered Charte School in Texas. |
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             Location: North Texas | CanCan - 2014-05-06 9:45 PM The surprising part to me is that he was allowed to speak at all. Welcome to Amerika.
CanCan, please correct if I am wrong, but I believe You are or have been a School Teacher. Now with that being said, what is Your opinion on this event? |
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The following is what The School Board has to say: “The School District policies IGE, IJ, IJA, KEC (available on the school district website ) refer to the procedures for the use of novels containing controversial material. The district will take immediate action to revise these policies to include notification that requires parents to accept controversial materials rather than to opt out. Furthermore, the notification will detail more specifically the controversial material.” Note highlighted text. Just who the hell is in charge here?! The School Board or The Parents? Who funds The School Board? Later excerpt from article: Baer told EAGNews.org that he believes the incident is proof that public schools are trying to indoctrinate children with moral relativism. “Many people in education and government truly believe our children are theirs,” he told the group. “These school incidents are a byproduct of this ‘we know best’ philosophy.” I agree with Mr. Baer's Point of View in regards to this!
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I cannot believe anyone could agree with having this book in any class as teaching material!! ..
Have you read the link and the few tidbits of the sexual scene that was presented in a very limited fashion ... do what the author of the book suggests and read the few tidbits to your kids as a parent and add a few of your carpet burn experiences!!
You might also tell them to how to clean the sticky puddle off the carpet so no one will notice what they have been doing ...
It is impossible to get on the agenda list at any school function or even to talk about bad roads with county commissioners anymore .... the subject matter you have is never on that agenda and is not permissible is the reason people are lined up to speak on the public forum ....
Keep in mind this sexual act is on page 313 ... so what other trash is taught on the school shooting in this same book and other parts of its content ...???
I WAS ASHAMED OF THE OTHER PARENTS for not ordering the cop to get out of the room since it is a public meeting between parents and a schoolboard that is off limits and form a barrier around the Dad .... they sat there like mice and afraid of getting involved ... see the power of the intimidation the schoolboard has over the parents ..... GRRRRRRRRRR
The schoolboard, teachers and any state approval committee all should be arrested for giving porn to underage children and barred from ever teaching or being a part of any schooling of children again ....
I find it pathetic anyone would agree to this book and the same with everyone jumping on Sterling in a setup private conversation with his mistress and everyone blowing a gasket when he told her he did not want Magic Johnson sitting in his booth with her anymore .... MAGIC JOHNSON AND AN INVESTOR WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BUY THE CLIPPERS ... and they setup this deal with his mistress and you and the news media fried Sterling for NOTHING!!!
FIRE THE ENTIRE SCHOOL BOARD AND OTHERS INCLUDING THE TEACHER THAT ALLOWED THIS BOOK TO BE TEACHING MATERIAL ...
GO READ THE LINK ...
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     Location: Oklahoma | He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions. |
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He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions.
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Morab76 - 2014-05-06 10:45 PM
He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions.
This is about our country, not other countries.
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I saw both tapes and there was no ranting by the Dad ... the schoolboard was the one trying to voice over him during his time to speak ....
BTW .... THE DAD IS AN ATTORNEY and knows how to present himself ...
IT IS THE SCHOOLBOARD DISTRIBUTING PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL TO UNDERAGE CHILDREN AND SHOULD BE CHARGED ..... TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW!!! |
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| foundation horse - 2014-05-06 9:31 PM kmcsunshine - 2014-05-06 9:24 PM My 2 cents......
I wonder if this man thinks about the example he set for his child? Was he really taking a stand? Does he let his children watch televison, go to R rated movies, does he cuss or drink in front of them? I read what I wanted when I wanted. Read Scruples in junior high school, talk about an eye opener. I still read, but can't say I like books that are raunchy. I do think that a parent should have some control over what is being presented to a child in classroom. I think it is MORE IMPORTANT to build such a good foundation at home that what is presented doesn't matter. So, even though I'm not a fan of public education, I'm siding with the school board on this one. KM, I understand and agree with Your Arguement. However, there is a 'But' in this.
Read my post previous to yours in regards to The School Board's Policy (highlighted in yellow ) and then please give Me/Us Your thoughts then.
And Yes, I am fully aware that Your Children were/are Home Schooled. It is scenario (s ) and mindset (s ) like this School Board's that drive Folks to Home School!
And why My Boys are in a Top Rated/Tiered Charte School in Texas.
The school board is wrong. However, we must have rules for telling them or we have anarchy.
How do we change things. Vote the idiots out, but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions including President. |
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    Location: Dubach, LA | According to my local school board member, our governor, Bobby Jindal - note the name-has passed legislation that effectively ties their hands. They are sitting and drawing a check and can't do anything. Bobby Jindal is NOT what this country needs. |
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| CanCan - 2014-05-07 6:54 AM According to my local school board member, our governor, Bobby Jindal - note the name-has passed legislation that effectively ties their hands. They are sitting and drawing a check and can't do anything. Bobby Jindal is NOT what this country needs.
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kmcsunshine - 2014-05-07 6:57 AM CanCan - 2014-05-07 6:54 AM According to my local school board member, our governor, Bobby Jindal - note the name-has passed legislation that effectively ties their hands. They are sitting and drawing a check and can't do anything. Bobby Jindal is NOT what this country needs. Question. How did Jindal, acting alone pass any legislation? Would not many more elected officials been involved?
Research how common core has been adopted by 46 states and there is your answer. Under-handed, back-door, no public comments or meetings...just here you are, these are the new standards, deal with it. (Decided by the governors) We don't care that they are developmentally inappropriate for the younger kids, or lower than they should be for children preparing to attend a 4 year university. We don't care that educators didn't participate in writing them, or that they are being pushed by private industry (Pearson just scored an unprecedented contract and has positioned itself to basically control every facet of education) and are being objected to by parents and teachers alike, or that the aligned curriculums being marketed were done in a hurry and are a mess, and the standardized testing required with this makes No Child Left Behind look like a picnic and is super expensive, or that our children's privacy will be invaded by the data mining, or the federal government bribed the states with NCLB waivers and Race To The Top grants, or that schools are so overwhelmed they are "striving to meet the standards, not exceed them"...none of that matters, because Arne Duncan knows best and we MUST turn out good little worker bees to stay competitive in a global economy. Bullfreakincrap. |
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Wow...just wow. If I'm not mistaken whiteboy you are LDS as well so understand where I'm coming from. If my sons ever came home with reading material like this I would be insanely furious. I cannot believe this is allowed. How is this any different than distributing porn?! Why is someone not punishing the school for forcing porn on minors?! The public education system scares me and you could bet I would be at the board meeting and would not be polite about it either. What's even more shocking is 80% of parents said they aren't opposed to the book, even after reading the passages. Where are the moral values in this country? Don't most parents want their children to have a healthy and responsible view about sex and what it is, not what some school indoctrinates them to think?! IMO that is a private matter not something that should be taught to the masses. |
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     Location: west of East Texas | "...... but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions ......"
THIS is so true! This starts at the local level. Our last county election had 9 positions on the ballot. 5 of them had one candidate. Our last school board election had 4 positions open and all 4 had only one candidate. The county positions are paid positions but IMO not paid enough to entice a qualified person to actually run. Two of our newly electeds bluntly stated they were running for office for the health insurance and before they got too old to qualify for the state retirement. The school board is not a paid position and is mostly figurehead. |
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             Location: North Texas | chasendacash - 2014-05-07 10:44 AM "...... but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions ......"
THIS is so true! This starts at the local level. Our last county election had 9 positions on the ballot. 5 of them had one candidate. Our last school board election had 4 positions open and all 4 had only one candidate. The county positions are paid positions but IMO not paid enough to entice a qualified person to actually run. Two of our newly electeds bluntly stated they were running for office for the health insurance and before they got too old to qualify for the state retirement. The school board is not a paid position and is mostly figurehead.
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        Location: Arizona | chasendacash - 2014-05-07 10:44 AM
"...... but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions ......"
THIS is so true! This starts at the local level. Our last county election had 9 positions on the ballot. 5 of them had one candidate. Our last school board election had 4 positions open and all 4 had only one candidate. The county positions are paid positions but IMO not paid enough to entice a qualified person to actually run. Two of our newly electeds bluntly stated they were running for office for the health insurance and before they got too old to qualify for the state retirement. The school board is not a paid position and is mostly figurehead.
Well then how do parents have a say in what materials are being used to teach their children? What can be done?
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-05-07 11:18 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-07 10:44 AM "...... but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions ......"
THIS is so true! This starts at the local level. Our last county election had 9 positions on the ballot. 5 of them had one candidate. Our last school board election had 4 positions open and all 4 had only one candidate. The county positions are paid positions but IMO not paid enough to entice a qualified person to actually run. Two of our newly electeds bluntly stated they were running for office for the health insurance and before they got too old to qualify for the state retirement. The school board is not a paid position and is mostly figurehead. Well then how do parents have a say in what materials are being used to teach their children? What can be done?
Be a squeaky wheel and **** the consequences. Because there are consequences for speaking out or having an opinion that goes against the grain. Especially in small communities. People take it personally if you criticize anything about the local school. Even worse if you put your kids in private. |
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    Location: Dubach, LA | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-07 8:37 AM kmcsunshine - 2014-05-07 6:57 AM CanCan - 2014-05-07 6:54 AM According to my local school board member, our governor, Bobby Jindal - note the name-has passed legislation that effectively ties their hands. They are sitting and drawing a check and can't do anything. Bobby Jindal is NOT what this country needs. Question. How did Jindal, acting alone pass any legislation? Would not many more elected officials been involved? Research how common core has been adopted by 46 states and there is your answer. Under-handed, back-door, no public comments or meetings...just here you are, these are the new standards, deal with it. (Decided by the governors) We don't care that they are developmentally inappropriate for the younger kids, or lower than they should be for children preparing to attend a 4 year university. We don't care that educators didn't participate in writing them, or that they are being pushed by private industry (Pearson just scored an unprecedented contract and has positioned itself to basically control every facet of education) and are being objected to by parents and teachers alike, or that the aligned curriculums being marketed were done in a hurry and are a mess, and the standardized testing required with this makes No Child Left Behind look like a picnic and is super expensive, or that our children's privacy will be invaded by the data mining, or the federal government bribed the states with NCLB waivers and Race To The Top grants, or that schools are so overwhelmed they are "striving to meet the standards, not exceed them"...none of that matters, because Arne Duncan knows best and we MUST turn out good little worker bees to stay competitive in a global economy. Bullfreakincrap.
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    Location: minnesota | I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away.
This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like.
Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point.
Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous.
And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.
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| JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 11:58 AM I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away. This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like. Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point. Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous. And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.
This type of attitude is what got our nation in the mess we are in now. It is not wrong to question authority. I think we all agree that the guy could have handled it better. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, right is right even if nobody is doing it. |
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    Location: minnesota | Whiteboy - 2014-05-07 12:13 PM
JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 11:58 AM I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away. This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like. Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point. Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous. And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.
This type of attitude is what got our nation in the mess we are in now. It is not wrong to question authority. I think we all agree that the guy could have handled it better. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, right is right even if nobody is doing it.
I disagree. This statement is not blanketed to follow blindly into the stupid abyss that violates rights. It is simple respect. There is a HUGE difference between abiding by rules and accepting punishment when you choose to disobey, vrs the world of politics. POLITICS is what got this nation into the mess we are in today. Don't confuse the two.
This guy chose to come to a meeting that runs in a certain manner. Then CHOSE to be a dick and speak out of turn, over people, and NOT listen to the very polite lady asking him to stop. Then he CHOSE to disobey an officer who was there to keep the peace. You get no where in life by being a bully and disrespecting the people around you. There were several other people at that meeting who wanted to speak.
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JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 11:58 AM I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away. This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like. Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point. Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous. And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.
This type of attitude is what got our nation in the mess we are in now. It is not wrong to question authority. I think we all agree that the guy could have handled it better. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, right is right even if nobody is doing it.
I disagree. This statement is not blanketed to follow blindly into the stupid abyss that violates rights. It is simple respect. There is a HUGE difference between abiding by rules and accepting punishment when you choose to disobey, vrs the world of politics. POLITICS is what got this nation into the mess we are in today. Don't confuse the two.
This guy chose to come to a meeting that runs in a certain manner. Then CHOSE to be a dick and speak out of turn, over people, and NOT listen to the very polite lady asking him to stop. Then he CHOSE to disobey an officer who was there to keep the peace. You get no where in life by being a bully and disrespecting the people around you. There were several other people at that meeting who wanted to speak.
You can read what you like into it. But it is plain and simple. Respect.
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     Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | foundation horse - 2014-05-07 12:10 PM JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 1:06 PM Whiteboy - 2014-05-07 12:13 PM JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 11:58 AM I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away. This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like. Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point. Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous. And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not. This type of attitude is what got our nation in the mess we are in now. It is not wrong to question authority. I think we all agree that the guy could have handled it better. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, right is right even if nobody is doing it. I disagree. This statement is not blanketed to follow blindly into the stupid abyss that violates rights. It is simple respect. There is a HUGE difference between abiding by rules and accepting punishment when you choose to disobey, vrs the world of politics. POLITICS is what got this nation into the mess we are in today. Don't confuse the two. This guy chose to come to a meeting that runs in a certain manner. Then CHOSE to be a dick and speak out of turn, over people, and NOT listen to the very polite lady asking him to stop. Then he CHOSE to disobey an officer who was there to keep the peace. You get no where in life by being a bully and disrespecting the people around you. There were several other people at that meeting who wanted to speak. You can read what you like into it. But it is plain and simple. Respect. Respect is earned not automatically granted
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        Location: ND | my only opinion to add to this is that if you think that LE is on the side of protecting our rights, you will wake up one day with none........ LE is to be respected if they are protecting our rights, nothing else..... |
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| MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-05-07 8:47 AM Wow...just wow. If I'm not mistaken whiteboy you are LDS as well so understand where I'm coming from. If my sons ever came home with reading material like this I would be insanely furious. I cannot believe this is allowed. How is this any different than distributing porn?! Why is someone not punishing the school for forcing porn on minors?! The public education system scares me and you could bet I would be at the board meeting and would not be polite about it either. What's even more shocking is 80% of parents said they aren't opposed to the book, even after reading the passages. Where are the moral values in this country? Don't most parents want their children to have a healthy and responsible view about sex and what it is, not what some school indoctrinates them to think?! IMO that is a private matter not something that should be taught to the masses.
100% agree, a private matter for parents to teach. Would an R rated movie be OK also?? Restrictions are in place for under 18 to see an R rated movie, why is the school board able to have R rated material in the classroom in written form for 14 years olds?? It is not censorship to remove it from the classroom, a parent can purchase the book on their own. The dad needed to make a public protest and peacefully draw attention to this sham of a school board and its my way or the highway methods. |
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| JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 1:06 PM Whiteboy - 2014-05-07 12:13 PM JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 11:58 AM I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away. This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like. Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point. Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous. And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not. This type of attitude is what got our nation in the mess we are in now. It is not wrong to question authority. I think we all agree that the guy could have handled it better. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, right is right even if nobody is doing it. I disagree. This statement is not blanketed to follow blindly into the stupid abyss that violates rights. It is simple respect. There is a HUGE difference between abiding by rules and accepting punishment when you choose to disobey, vrs the world of politics. POLITICS is what got this nation into the mess we are in today. Don't confuse the two. This guy chose to come to a meeting that runs in a certain manner. Then CHOSE to be a dick and speak out of turn, over people, and NOT listen to the very polite lady asking him to stop. Then he CHOSE to disobey an officer who was there to keep the peace. You get no where in life by being a bully and disrespecting the people around you. There were several other people at that meeting who wanted to speak. You can read what you like into it. But it is plain and simple. Respect.
There is a time and a place to stand up. If parents don't make a BIG deal of this issue, then the system assumes it is acceptable. They slide the ruler a little further to the left. From that point they begin again. Take a stand for your principled beliefs or give up every freedom. When the majority let issues slide, on the promise "they are taking care of it", you give away the freedoms of not just yourself but those in your communities, citys, states and countries. Politics establish the rules, rules that fit thier needs. I now see where your name came from. |
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        Location: Arizona | rodeomom3 - 2014-05-07 1:37 PM
MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-05-07 8:47 AM Wow...just wow. If I'm not mistaken whiteboy you are LDS as well so understand where I'm coming from. If my sons ever came home with reading material like this I would be insanely furious. I cannot believe this is allowed. How is this any different than distributing porn?! Why is someone not punishing the school for forcing porn on minors?! The public education system scares me and you could bet I would be at the board meeting and would not be polite about it either. What's even more shocking is 80% of parents said they aren't opposed to the book, even after reading the passages. Where are the moral values in this country? Don't most parents want their children to have a healthy and responsible view about sex and what it is, not what some school indoctrinates them to think?! IMO that is a private matter not something that should be taught to the masses.
100% agree, a private matter for parents to teach. Would an R rated movie be OK also?? Restrictions are in place for under 18 to see an R rated movie, why is the school board able to have R rated material in the classroom in written form for 14 years olds?? It is not censorship to remove it from the classroom, a parent can purchase the book on their own. The dad needed to make a public protest and peacefully draw attention to this sham of a school board and its my way or the highway methods.
I agree with your sentiments completely. Did you read some of the passages from the book...very graphic. I would say it's more X rated than R. I would never see such graphic images in an R rated movie that this book depicts mentally...disgusts me really. Not something ANY school should be assigning CHILDREN to read. I'm glad he brought so much attention to his cause. It's obviously caused a s*** storm and parents across the country are just as upset as I am. |
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        Location: ND | i finally read this and, yeah, way over the top for any high school reading.......you have to be 18 to buy porn pics but you can read porn in high school for class......??????.......not that that isn't what a lot of women read once they are out of high school and try to get published writing.....but, i'm not so sure this is educational..... |
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             Location: North Texas | JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 11:58 AM I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away. This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like. Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point. Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous. And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not. Jazzy Girl, is it possible that you are confusing rudeness i.e lack of courtesy defined ascour·te·sy 'k?rt?se/ noun noun: courtesy -
the showing of politeness in one's attitude and behavior toward others. "he had been treated with a degree of courtesy not far short of deference" synonyms:politeness, courteousness, good manners, civility, respect, respectfulness; More "our customers will be treated with courtesy" -
a polite speech or action, especially one required by convention. plural noun: courtesies "the superficial courtesies of diplomatic exchanges" And respect defined as: re·spect ri'spekt/ noun noun: respect -
1. a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. "the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor" -
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due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others. plural noun: respects "respect for human rights" -
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2. a particular aspect, point, or detail. "the government's record in this respect is a mixed one" verb verb: respect; 3rd person present: respects; past tense: respected; past participle: respected; gerund or present participle: respecting -
1. admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements. "she was respected by everyone she worked with" synonyms: esteem, admire, think highly of, have a high opinion of, hold in high regard, hold in (high ) esteem, look up to, revere, reverence, honor More "she is highly respected in the book industry" -
have due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of. "I respected his views" synonyms:show consideration for, have regard for, observe, be mindful of, be heedful of; More formaltake cognizance of "they respected our privacy" -
avoid harming or interfering with. "it is incumbent upon all boaters to respect the environment" -
agree to recognize and For in the event you are reversing these roles then I agree with you this Attorney was NOT displaying Courtesy towards this School Board! However, as I stated previously Respect is earned, not automatically or freely granted. And this School Board via their documented actions were not Courteous or Respectful of the Parents whose Children They (The School Board) have been allowed the Responibilty to Facilicate these Children's Education. Please remember, It is the The Parent's Responiblity to educate Children via Allowing The School Board to Facilitate said Education. And in the event I am wrong in presuming you have these two entities reversed, then I whole heartedy disagree with you! For by being discourteous this Father definitely got the attention that this matter deserves!
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             Location: North Texas | Morab76 - 2014-05-06 10:45 PM He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions.
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             Location: North Texas | Has anyone besides Morab76 seen any reports to indicate this Attorney Father referenced in the thread to have a history of prior incidents? |
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     Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | foundation horse - 2014-05-07 2:55 PM Morab76 - 2014-05-06 10:45 PM He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions. Do you have links to document that this Parent has a 'history' of the nature you are describing?
I guess I'm not in the loop with things, but, what exactly is 'verbal abuse'? Is it illegal to express yourself if it's not done politely? As far as 'not following police orders', he did quieten down, was no longer saying anything...the cop was wrong & obviously enjoyed removing him. btw...Did you know that a police officers 'peace' cannot be disturbed? Lol...try to explain that one, though...they don't get it. I have a history of being opinionated & vocal...is this against the law? Do I need to reevaluate my personality & change so I don't offend anyone...less I be arrested? Interesting...how we've come to this point of 'pretend niceness'. Fake sincerity. I prefer honest emotion over phoniness, myself. And I guarantee that being nice gets you nowhere...well look around! This is what it's gotten us so far. |
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             Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-05-08 2:41 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-07 2:55 PM Morab76 - 2014-05-06 10:45 PM He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions. Do you have links to document that this Parent has a 'history' of the nature you are describing? I guess I'm not in the loop with things, but, what exactly is 'verbal abuse'? Is it illegal to express yourself if it's not done politely? As far as 'not following police orders', he did quieten down, was no longer saying anything...the cop was wrong & obviously enjoyed removing him.
btw...Did you know that a police officers 'peace' cannot be disturbed? Lol...try to explain that one, though...they don't get it.
I have a history of being opinionated & vocal...is this against the law? Do I need to reevaluate my personality & change so I don't offend anyone...less I be arrested?
Interesting...how we've come to this point of 'pretend niceness'. Fake sincerity.
I prefer honest emotion over phoniness, myself. And I guarantee that being nice gets you nowhere...well look around! This is what it's gotten us so far. Being 'nice' has presented America with Barack Obama for 5+ years now! And Barack Obama is purported to be a 'nice' i.e. personable individual. However bein 'nice' does NOT equate to being compenent or effective!
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             Location: North Texas | And the story continues:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/05/08/daughter-14-confronts-school-board-after-dad-was-arrested-over-sex-book-i-dont-feel-safe-117567
Daughter, 14, confronts school board after dad was arrested over sex book: ‘I don’t feel safe’
After watching police arrest her father at a Gilford, N.H., school board meeting Monday night for violating a two minute speaking rule, his daughter stood before the board to say she didn’t “feel safe” around them. The controversy began when William Baer rose to complain about the sexually charged content of a book his ninth-grade daughter was assigned to read. The book, “19 Minutes,” includes graphic sexual content that culminates with: “Semen, sticky and hot, pooled on the carpet beneath her.” When Baer continued to speak, after sitting down, he was escorted out by an officer and charged with disorderly conduct, according to WMUR-TV. “I just watched my father get arrested because he broke the two minute rule, at a board of education meeting,” 14-year-old Marina Baer said. “This just shows that you resort to force at the first turn of conflict and I am appalled. So I don’t trust you, I haven’t, and I honestly don’t feel safe around you people.” What happens when Dad protests sexual smut assigned to his 9th grader will floor you Stunningly, as the Marina began to speak, an unidentified official, unfazed by the possibility that the ninth grader may be traumatized from seeing her father being led away in handcuffs, can be heard on the video requesting that she state her address. While it’s understandable that this may be normal policy, this was certainly not “normal” circumstances. That a public official can have such a callous attitude toward a child in light of what just happened is hard to believe. H/T Granite Grok As an indication of why William Baer was concerned, here’s an excerpt from the book, according to EAG News: “‘Relax,” Matt murmured, and then he sank his teeth into her shoulder. He pinned her hands over her head and ground his hips against hers. She could feel his erection, hot against her stomach “… She couldn’t remember ever feeling so heavy, as if her heart were beating between her legs. She clawed at Matt’s back to bring him closer. “‘Yeah,’ he groaned, and her pushed her thighs apart. And then suddenly Matt was inside her, pumping so hard that she scooted backward on the carpet, burning the backs of her legs. … (H)e clamped his hand over her mouth and drove harder and harder until Josie felt him come. “Semen, sticky and hot, pooled on the carpet beneath her.”
I cannot say as I disagree with this young lady. Add to this the callous treatment she received as documented in the video with the link.
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             Location: North Texas | And here is another link/article:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/05/06/what-happens-when-dad-protests-sexual-smut-assigned-to-his-9th-grader-will-floor-you-117237
What happens when Dad protests sexual smut assigned to his 9th grader will floor youThe “ live free or die state” should find a new motto. A man who attended a school board meeting in Gilford, N.H., Monday night to complain about the sexually charged content of a book his ninth-grade daughter was assigned to read for school found himself escorted from the room and placed in handcuffs.  Book cover: The Blaze According to the Union Leader, attorney William Baer was charged with disorderly conduct for the incident, which stemmed from his discovery last week that his daughter had been assigned to read a book called “ 19 Minutes,” which turns on a school shooting and its effects on a small town. It also includes graphic descriptions of sex between adolescents. When Baer attended the meeting to complain, he spoke longer than his allotted two minutes, then got into an argument with another parent. That’s when things got ugly. In an interview before the meeting with EAG News, a non-profit group that focuses on education issues, Baer said he learned about the sex in the book when a friend happened to point it out by chance during a visit to his home last week. “I was shocked when I read the passage, and not much shocks me anymore,” Baer told EAG News. “My wife was stunned by the increasingly graphic nature of the sexual content of the scene and the imagery it evoked.” Lest anyone think Baer might just be a prude, this isn’t the “F” word showing up in “Catcher in the Rye” and scandalizing 1950s high schools. Here’s an excerpt, as presented by EAG News. “‘Relax,” Matt murmured, and then he sank his teeth into her shoulder. He pinned her hands over her head and ground his hips against hers. She could feel his erection, hot against her stomach “… She couldn’t remember ever feeling so heavy, as if her heart were beating between her legs. She clawed at Matt’s back to bring him closer. “‘Yeah,’ he groaned, and her pushed her thighs apart. And then suddenly Matt was inside her, pumping so hard that she scooted backward on the carpet, burning the backs of her legs. … (H )e clamped his hand over her mouth and drove harder and harder until Josie felt him come. “Semen, sticky and hot, pooled on the carpet beneath her.” For ninth-graders. In the EAG News interview, Baer said the role of government in children’s education has spun out of control. “Many people in education and government truly believe our children are theirs,” he said. “That parents are only the custodians who feed them and put a roof over their head. These school incidents are a byproduct of this ‘we know best’ philosophy. They believe they have the authority to do this. If people were more complacent, which is hard to imagine, it’d be even worse.” It’s tough to imagine how much worse it can get, when an apparently civil citizen can be escorted from a public meeting at the behest of a school official, then handcuffed on a “disorderly conduct” charge when the only disorder apparent comes from an arbitrary time element imposed by a school board chairman. Anyone who’s spent time in the newspaper business has seen public meetings where speakers go over their allotted time, where individuals disagree in the audience and voices get raised on any issue from a road widening project to new school construction. But an actual arrest for speaking out in public is something Americans have frowned on since the Founders established freedom of speech in the very First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. A gavel is one thing. A police officer with handcuffs and a gun is another thing entirely. |
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        Location: Broxton, Ga | foundation horse - 2014-05-07 7:18 PM Folks, there is a major major problem with this School Board's Actions and Attitude towards it's Students and their Parents!
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Folks, there is a major major problem with this School Board's Actions and Attitude towards it's Students and their Parents!
How dare you question any elected official? They're only doing what's best for us all because winning an election automatically gives you more IQ points and makes you all-knowing. So sit down and shut up. Please and thank you. |
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             Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-09 8:13 AM foundation horse - 2014-05-08 6:18 PM Folks, there is a major major problem with this School Board's Actions and Attitude towards it's Students and their Parents! How dare you question any elected official? They're only doing what's best for us all because winning an election automatically gives you more IQ points and makes you all-knowing. So sit down and shut up. Please and thank you.
I 'know' you well enough (via your personality on-line) to know this is said tongue in cheek. However, your analysis is correct. Since these Elected School Board are now in charge via Their Election, via the Voters, then they believe via their actions, that Their IQ has increased and makes Them all-knowing. Quite the Socialist Mentality I would say! Or at the very least Arrogrant. There is no way, no how, I would be keeping my mouth shut, display courteous behavior towards, or having any respect for Elected Representatives such as these!. And this is the attitude I maintain towards other Elected Reprsentatives who behave this way as well! |
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    Location: Dubach, LA | musikmaker - 2014-05-08 2:41 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-07 2:55 PM Morab76 - 2014-05-06 10:45 PM He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions. Do you have links to document that this Parent has a 'history' of the nature you are describing? I guess I'm not in the loop with things, but, what exactly is 'verbal abuse'? Is it illegal to express yourself if it's not done politely? As far as 'not following police orders', he did quieten down, was no longer saying anything...the cop was wrong & obviously enjoyed removing him.
btw...Did you know that a police officers 'peace' cannot be disturbed? Lol...try to explain that one, though...they don't get it.
I have a history of being opinionated & vocal...is this against the law? Do I need to reevaluate my personality & change so I don't offend anyone...less I be arrested?
Interesting...how we've come to this point of 'pretend niceness'. Fake sincerity.
I prefer honest emotion over phoniness, myself. And I guarantee that being nice gets you nowhere...well look around! This is what it's gotten us so far.
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     Location: west of East Texas | To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there. |
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       Location: Opelousas, LA | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there. So where and when should he voice his concerns? His daughter is required to read the book right now.
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             Location: North Texas | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
Do You disagree that this Dad stood up for His Daughter? Or stood against what was Immoral? Is there any evidence to indicate that this Dad had not done other less noticable things to effect this change? In the event the evidence does exist that this Dad has attempted to effect change in other ways unsecessfully, then what would You have this Dad do? And YES, I have School Age Children! They are MY Responibility to make sure They are taken of. And in my opinion, this Dad was taking care of HIS Child! I wholeheartedly commend Him for this!
chasendacash, Your attitude indicates that You have personal experience with a scenario such as this. Am I correct? If so, just how did You and Your Group react to this scenario. Have the offender arrested for 'Disorderly Conduct' via exercising One's First Amendment Right? |
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     Location: west of East Texas | Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn. |
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             Location: North Texas | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn. In regards to the zero grade: How familar are you in regards to the competition of High School Students for Grade Points Averages that affect Students Rankings which in turns affect Students' Ability to be accepted to Colleges/Universities and obtain Academic Scholarships?
A grade of zero can be and most likely is detrimental to said GPA.
I am suspect that this complete story is lacking from the Dad's Side. I would not be at all surprised if the Dad had not already attempted other avenues of communication and was stonewalled. This speculation would account for the Dad's 'Entougage' as portrayed in one of the videos.
However, this School Board is receiving public scrutiny both locally and nationally, thanks to these videos. And I believe this scrutiny is a good thing.
I am really quite at a loss to understand your critisim of this Dad for standing up to care of His Daughter and what He believed was wrong. Perhaps this Dad's Actions will prompt other Parents in This School District to protest as well. Only time will tell.
I can say this though. I agree with and commend the Dad's Sentiments and carrying out His Responisibilty to take care of His Child. Oh BTW, do You have Children?
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    Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 10:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
I agree with you on this and apploud you for trying to help others understand that being proactive and WORK WITH the schools instead of critizing. We have a wonderful Board that will question the materials that are being adopted into the school district, however they are getting older and I don't know who will be willing to replace them when they are no longer able to participate on the Board. Most of our Board members are current & past educators. There are so many more issues that a School Board of Directors and you sure don't see any one standing in line to take over for them. |
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     Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 10:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
There are times when a parent must stand up and say, "NO!!!"...loudly, aggressively...even to the point of violence against those who would violate his daughter...and that IS a violation. I refuse to be nice to someone messing with my family in that manner & I will not apologize for it. This issue isn't one to be discussed or decided on by a school board...porn isn't an option in our schools. |
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     Location: west of East Texas | I never said I disagreed with the Dad. I just know from experience that his method was ineffective. My additional comments were to try and open the eyes of those that haven't ever been involved in this type of setting. Too many people sit back, don't get involved, don't understand the procedures, don't research the candidates, don't become a candidate, don't vote in the elections, then BAM.......... condemn anyone associated with the governance they forgot to participate in.
FH - I can tell from your other posts that you ARE more active than the average bear in many things. I don't always agree with your opinions but KUDOS to you for basing them on your own research and inquiries. |
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    Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | foundation horse - 2014-05-09 11:04 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
In regards to the zero grade:
How familar are you in regards to the competition of High School Students for Grade Points Averages that affect Students Rankings which in turns affect Students' Ability to be accepted to Colleges/Universities and obtain Academic Scholarships?
A grade of zero can be and most likely is detrimental to said GPA.
I am suspect that this complete story is lacking from the Dad's Side. I would not be at all surprised if the Dad had not already attempted other avenues of communication and was stonewalled. This speculation would account for the Dad's 'Entougage' as portrayed in one of the videos.
However, this School Board is receiving public scrutiny both locally and nationally, thanks to these videos. And I believe this scrutiny is a good thing.
I am really quite at a loss to understand your critisim of this Dad for standing up to care of His Daughter and what He believed was wrong. Perhaps this Dad's Actions will prompt other Parents in This School District to protest as well. Only time will tell.
I can say this though. I agree with and commend the Dad's Sentiments and carrying out His Responisibilty to take care of His Child.
Oh BTW, do You have Children?
Do you if this father was given other options? Do you know if he was willing and open to work with the teacher on this situation? Was this father willing to communicate and work with the school BEFORE attending the Board Meeting and creating a chaotic atmosphere? Do you know any of this situation prior to the Board Meeting? |
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| From a teacher's standpoint: 99.9% of the time the school board ALWAYS take the parent's side because the school board is composed of elected officials. In our district you better just watch EVERYTHING you do as a teacher. I can give 100s of examples but the main point I want to make is this man went looking to make a show and he had been to numerous other meetings. We have crazy parents like this all the time who will drink, cuss, have boyfriend's and girlfriend's over for the night (oh and believe me teachers get to hear the lovely headboard banging on the wall stories), but these same parents will run to the school board to complain over suggestive literature that really isn't even as suggestive as the bible. Basically the educational system in general is as broken as our government and unless your down in the trenches you have NO idea.
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             Location: North Texas | nmeastplains - 2014-05-09 12:09 PM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 10:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn. I agree with you on this and apploud you for trying to help others understand that being proactive and WORK WITH the schools instead of critizing. We have a wonderful Board that will question the materials that are being adopted into the school district, however they are getting older and I don't know who will be willing to replace them when they are no longer able to participate on the Board. Most of our Board members are current & past educators. There are so many more issues that a School Board of Directors and you sure don't see any one standing in line to take over for them. Let me state this as straightforward as I can.
The School Board is an elected group by The Voters of Said School District. Therefore said School Board is required to be accountable to Voters/Parents of said School District. Which means that this School Board in this Thread is accountable to the Dad that The School Board had arrested for 'Disorderly Conduct'. This particular Dad's technique may seem or be alittle unoxthrodox and even offensive to some, however, The 1st Amendment guarantees that Right to Individuals. I will have go back in this thread and c'n'p the School Board Policy that is absolutely Socialist/Communist in content and of orgin. The School Board Policy is referenced in a later post.
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             Location: North Texas | nmeastplains - 2014-05-09 12:14 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-09 11:04 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:51 AM Dad could request to be put on the agenda of action items. No time limits there and he can engage the board in discussion and the board can make decisions concerning the item. Dad could also speak with the school administration, join the book selection team or just monitor them. There are many places he would have better results through a joint effort and a willingness to get involved.
Don't let the daughter read the book, take the zero. Her grades were probably high enough that the one wouldn't have mattered to much. If enough parents protested, the assignment would probably be withdrawn.
In regards to the zero grade:
How familar are you in regards to the competition of High School Students for Grade Points Averages that affect Students Rankings which in turns affect Students' Ability to be accepted to Colleges/Universities and obtain Academic Scholarships?
A grade of zero can be and most likely is detrimental to said GPA.
I am suspect that this complete story is lacking from the Dad's Side. I would not be at all surprised if the Dad had not already attempted other avenues of communication and was stonewalled. This speculation would account for the Dad's 'Entougage' as portrayed in one of the videos.
However, this School Board is receiving public scrutiny both locally and nationally, thanks to these videos. And I believe this scrutiny is a good thing.
I am really quite at a loss to understand your critisim of this Dad for standing up to care of His Daughter and what He believed was wrong. Perhaps this Dad's Actions will prompt other Parents in This School District to protest as well. Only time will tell.
I can say this though. I agree with and commend the Dad's Sentiments and carrying out His Responisibilty to take care of His Child.
Oh BTW, do You have Children?
Do you if this father was given other options? Do you know if he was willing and open to work with the teacher on this situation? Was this father willing to communicate and work with the school BEFORE attending the Board Meeting and creating a chaotic atmosphere? Do you know any of this situation prior to the Board Meeting?
No, I do not. I stated that this story was suspect in its completeness from the Dad's Side already. Do You know if the Dad attempted any other recourse prior to this? |
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    Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | One more thing...our school district always invites parents to participate in the school adoptions and to review the selected materials prior to the School Board adopting those materials. |
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             Location: North Texas | foundation horse - 2014-05-06 9:27 PM The following is what The School Board has to say:
“The School District policies IGE, IJ, IJA, KEC (available on the school district website ) refer to the procedures for the use of novels containing controversial material. The district will take immediate action to revise these policies to include notification that requires parents to accept controversial materials rather than to opt out. Furthermore, the notification will detail more specifically the controversial material.”
Note highlighted text.
Just who the hell is in charge here?! The School Board or The Parents? Who funds The School Board?
Later excerpt from article:
Baer told EAGNews.org that he believes the incident is proof that public schools are trying to indoctrinate children with moral relativism.
“Many people in education and government truly believe our children are theirs,” he told the group. “These school incidents are a byproduct of this ‘we know best’ philosophy.”
I agree with Mr. Baer's Point of View in regards to this!
I would like to reaffirm or state what this School Board's stated Policy is that has publicized in the Highlighted Yellow. This is for the benefits of those who are supporting this School Board. Have Ya'll read this piece? Or upon reading it, agree with it? |
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             Location: North Texas | nmeastplains - 2014-05-09 12:25 PM One more thing...our school district always invites parents to participate in the school adoptions and to review the selected materials prior to the School Board adopting those materials.
Your School Board sounds pretty reasonalble and family oriented quite the opposite of the One depicted in this Thread. Please review the complete Thread and it attached Articles. |
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    Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | foundation horse - 2014-05-09 10:39 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
Do You disagree that this Dad stood up for His Daughter? Or stood against what was Immoral?
Is there any evidence to indicate that this Dad had not done other less noticable things to effect this change? In the event the evidence does exist that this Dad has attempted to effect change in other ways unsecessfully, then what would You have this Dad do?
And YES, I have School Age Children! They are MY Responibility to make sure They are taken of. And in my opinion, this Dad was taking care of HIS Child!
I wholeheartedly commend Him for this!
chasendacash, Your attitude indicates that You have personal experience with a scenario such as this. Am I correct? If so, just how did You and Your Group react to this scenario. Have the offender arrested for 'Disorderly Conduct' via exercising One's First Amendment Right?
This is where I am questioning you in regards to whether or not the father has done anything to rectify the situation instead of blowing it up. |
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             Location: North Texas | nmeastplains - 2014-05-09 12:30 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-09 10:39 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
Do You disagree that this Dad stood up for His Daughter? Or stood against what was Immoral?
Is there any evidence to indicate that this Dad had not done other less noticable things to effect this change? In the event the evidence does exist that this Dad has attempted to effect change in other ways unsecessfully, then what would You have this Dad do?
And YES, I have School Age Children! They are MY Responibility to make sure They are taken of. And in my opinion, this Dad was taking care of HIS Child!
I wholeheartedly commend Him for this!
chasendacash, Your attitude indicates that You have personal experience with a scenario such as this. Am I correct? If so, just how did You and Your Group react to this scenario. Have the offender arrested for 'Disorderly Conduct' via exercising One's First Amendment Right?
This is where I am questioning you in regards to whether or not the father has done anything to rectify the situation instead of blowing it up.
As I have previously stated Twice, I do not know if The Father attempted any other Recourse prior to this publicized event. I am not aware of any history prior to this event either negative or positive. |
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     Location: west of East Texas | Yes, I have 5 children both in and out of school. He also could have protected his child by taking the book away from her. Just like I turn the TV off, pull the plug on the computer and scroll around on the cell phones at my house. I have a junior in high school right now looking at scholarship qualifications. I have already been through several rounds of scholarship applications with older children. I've run for and held office. I've attended years of school and county meetings simply to keep informed and realize that more action can be taken through committess and task force involvment than within the confines of a board seat. I volunteer for these. I am on a first name basis with the Superintendent, the Principals, the Counselors and most elected officials in my county.
I promise you, one zero will not impact my child's final GPA. His First Amendment right allows him to pull a publicity stunt in many places, just not then and there. I'm not disagreeing with his right to parent his child. |
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             Location: North Texas | I found background reference for this event.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20140507/NEWS0606/140509323/0/NEWS03
Excerpt The superintendent said Baer did follow school policy and met with Gilford High School Principal Peter Sawyer about the issue Monday afternoon, before the meeting.
So per this report William Baer did follow protocol.
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             Location: North Texas | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 12:39 PM Yes, I have 5 children both in and out of school. He also could have protected his child by taking the book away from her. Just like I turn the TV off, pull the plug on the computer and scroll around on the cell phones at my house. I have a junior in high school right now looking at scholarship qualifications. I have already been through several rounds of scholarship applications with older children. I've run for and held office. I've attended years of school and county meetings simply to keep informed and realize that more action can be taken through committess and task force involvment than within the confines of a board seat. I volunteer for these. I am on a first name basis with the Superintendent, the Principals, the Counselors and most elected officials in my county.
I promise you, one zero will not impact my child's final GPA. His First Amendment right allows him to pull a publicity stunt in many places, just not then and there. I'm not disagreeing with his right to parent his child.
Ok. Then, apparently I am not as nice as you would have been in this scenario. Especially since William Baer had already met with the Superintendent prior to this School Board meeting. I would like to believe the Superintendent would have briefed the School Board in regards to William Baer's concerns. |
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             Location: North Texas | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 12:14 PM I never said I disagreed with the Dad. I just know from experience that his method was ineffective. My additional comments were to try and open the eyes of those that haven't ever been involved in this type of setting. Too many people sit back, don't get involved, don't understand the procedures, don't research the candidates, don't become a candidate, don't vote in the elections, then BAM.......... condemn anyone associated with the governance they forgot to participate in.
FH - I can tell from your other posts that you ARE more active than the average bear in many things. I don't always agree with your opinions but KUDOS to you for basing them on your own research and inquiries.
 Thank you! I usually attempt to refrain from commenting on a thread unless I have researched the topic.
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Maybe I am reading this differently and I am not looking to argue but I read that the parent met with the Principal on the issue and the Board Meeting was that evening.....I would think a bit more time to come to a reconcilation would have needed to take place. Is that incorrect? |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 11:07 AM To all of you criticizing this school board.... how many elected positions have you held? How many of these public meetings have you attended? How many committees and task forces have you served on? What are you doing on YOUR local level to keep this type of thing from happening in your area?
I don't care who you are and what your point is, Dad painted himself in a corner and the Board stood up to him. He has every right to instigate change, seek answers, make a difference, be involved, etc. but not then and there.
I have been an elected official. I have attended meetings that got out of hand. None of them required that the police get involved and arrest someone. Speaking out of turn happens often. So does people showing up wanting to speak who are not on the agenda. Depending on what it is, they may be heard at that time or asked to follow protocol. It's up to the people running the meeting. |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | chasendacash - 2014-05-09 12:39 PM Yes, I have 5 children both in and out of school. He also could have protected his child by taking the book away from her. Just like I turn the TV off, pull the plug on the computer and scroll around on the cell phones at my house. I have a junior in high school right now looking at scholarship qualifications. I have already been through several rounds of scholarship applications with older children. I've run for and held office. I've attended years of school and county meetings simply to keep informed and realize that more action can be taken through committess and task force involvment than within the confines of a board seat. I volunteer for these. I am on a first name basis with the Superintendent, the Principals, the Counselors and most elected officials in my county.
I promise you, one zero will not impact my child's final GPA. His First Amendment right allows him to pull a publicity stunt in many places, just not then and there. I'm not disagreeing with his right to parent his child.
It depends on how heavily weighted that zero is. The teacher has discretion to make it a small ding in the final grade or a great big dent. I know this from recent experience. |
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             Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-09 2:41 PM chasendacash - 2014-05-09 12:39 PM Yes, I have 5 children both in and out of school. He also could have protected his child by taking the book away from her. Just like I turn the TV off, pull the plug on the computer and scroll around on the cell phones at my house. I have a junior in high school right now looking at scholarship qualifications. I have already been through several rounds of scholarship applications with older children. I've run for and held office. I've attended years of school and county meetings simply to keep informed and realize that more action can be taken through committess and task force involvment than within the confines of a board seat. I volunteer for these. I am on a first name basis with the Superintendent, the Principals, the Counselors and most elected officials in my county.
I promise you, one zero will not impact my child's final GPA. His First Amendment right allows him to pull a publicity stunt in many places, just not then and there. I'm not disagreeing with his right to parent his child. It depends on how heavily weighted that zero is. The teacher has discretion to make it a small ding in the final grade or a great big dent. I know this from recent experience.
In the High School my Older Boy is attending, a Zero grade would heavily impact His GPA, (He is the current Valdictorian). Also, Failing Grades are not permissible or accept the Foundation Horse Household!
So, 'I' can only base my presumptions and comments upon the recent experience that I have garnered. The idea of the Student in this Thread receiving a Zero would not fare well in My Household. Somehow, I don't think it would fare well in William Baer's Household either. |
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