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    Location: 31 lengths farms | She is going in tomorrow early AM for Laser Lithrotripsy (sp) for her bladder stone. This is the little mare that came back from a fractured patella in February of 2011, ran into a tractor blade, sound and running, then January of 2013 she was attacked by a mountain lion, fought for her life and came thru it. I have no doubt this little mare has the will and guts to come thru this, she's proved it many times already.
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    Location: 31 lengths farms | Things did not go as planned, did an tea sound on her kidneys, right kidney is clean, left kidney had stones as well as the bladder. Shockwave doesn't reach deep enough in horses kidneys, I cannot afford a kidney surgery to have them removed. The laser lithotripsy on the one near her uretor, which leads from the kidney to the bladder would take several attempts over a month at @5k each day if they could even reach it.
Basically was told we had no options.
Having said that I'm not giving up, I am researching herbs and holistic treatments, after a 4 hour trip and 3 hours of ultrasounds via mostly her rectum , we got home and I turned her out in the pasture and she went tearing acrossed it like she always has. My fiancé who constantly tells me "they are animals, you have to be use common sense in your decisions " broke down in tears and said "let's find an alternative.
So here CC and I go, off on another journey others say is impossible, but she beat a fractured patella to run me across the grass at Pendleton and fought off a mountain lion. She is all gut and grit and I will do my darnedest for her until her eye says differently. |
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| I would speak with a nutritionist to see what could have caused the stones, calcium, or protein, etc then I would see if I could adjust her feed to compensate.
Google Riva's Remedy, it is a canadian company, send an email to the lady, sorry I can't think of her name right now, or call if there is a phone no. She has done a lot of research on horses, nutrition, and how/which herbs can help or hinder a horse. I have went to a few of her lectures, and I know she would be happy to help you. |
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| Call Mickey Young with Silver Lining Herbs. They have a kidney herb and I'm sure he will be able to help. I wonder if the Theraplate would help? I don't know if the vibration would be strong enough. |
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| Diagnosing kidney stones in horses is quite rare and there is not much information about treating options in the internet I learned recently. Most often older geldings are suffering from them but we came across with 5 year old standardbred mare who was diagnosed with kidney stones. Her treatment was little scoop of methionine on her evening oats. It seemed to us that she was not getting any better so I started asking around and got quite different answers depending on who I asked. This mare did not drink much at all when she came and we treated her for ulcers with a product called Nutrient Buffer and she started drinking better. But problem with blood on a urea existed. Every time after jogging her she would urinate right after taking the harness off and urea was almost totally red. I was very concerned about this.
I have read that only way to treat these stones would be surgical but many people from Finland disagree. Some people said that mares could not have kidney stones and I was told that it was most likely urinary infection. According to the owner this mare was treated with sulfa for a long time but nothing happened.
My friends in Finland all told me to treat her with ammonium chloride, it supposedly dilutes the stones in one week and 10 day treatment should fix the problem. I was told to give her one tablespoon (5 grams) twice a day for ten days. Some said that C-vitamin would we helpful with it.
I was also told that you could make sure that your horse really has kidney stones by collecting some urea into a clear plastic cup and letting it stand over night. If there is noticeable "crystals" in the bottom your horse has them. To be absolutely sure veterinarian can send a sample to a lab to be analyzed.
After searching on the internet I found several places from where you could order ammonium chloride powder but I am not sure if it is exactly the same as the powder sold in Finland. I also found out that ammonium chloride is commonly given to goats to prevent kidney stones. You can even buy them by the bag to last long time.
Ammonium chloride is also available as a tablet with prescription for cats and dogs under the name Uroeze. There is two strength in those tablets, 200mg and 400mg. You can get them from 1800Petmeds.com if you have prescription.
I learned that you can treat cats with a mixture of ammonium chloride, methionine and chalk powder by mixing everything in equal amounts. This is common treatment in Finland for cats.
I was also reading that someone treated Arabian horse with apple cider vinegar and supposedly it did dilute the kidney stones. So you might want to look into that.
This mare went back to her owners and he is getting her some ammonium chloride, I will update my story if I hear how it worked on her case. If anyone has other suggestions or has been treating their horses for kidney stones I'd love to read about your comments! |
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| readytorodeo - 2014-05-08 9:23 PM
Diagnosing kidney stones in horses is quite rare and there is not much information about treating options in the internet I learned recently. Most often older geldings are suffering from them but we came across with 5 year old standardbred mare who was diagnosed with kidney stones. Her treatment was little scoop of methionine on her evening oats. It seemed to us that she was not getting any better so I started asking around and got quite different answers depending on who I asked. This mare did not drink much at all when she came and we treated her for ulcers with a product called Nutrient Buffer and she started drinking better. But problem with blood on a urea existed. Every time after jogging her she would urinate right after taking the harness off and urea was almost totally red. I was very concerned about this.
I have read that only way to treat these stones would be surgical but many people from Finland disagree. Some people said that mares could not have kidney stones and I was told that it was most likely urinary infection. According to the owner this mare was treated with sulfa for a long time but nothing happened.
My friends in Finland all told me to treat her with ammonium chloride, it supposedly dilutes the stones in one week and 10 day treatment should fix the problem. I was told to give her one tablespoon (5 grams) twice a day for ten days. Some said that C-vitamin would we helpful with it.
I was also told that you could make sure that your horse really has kidney stones by collecting some urea into a clear plastic cup and letting it stand over night. If there is noticeable "crystals" in the bottom your horse has them. To be absolutely sure veterinarian can send a sample to a lab to be analyzed.
After searching on the internet I found several places from where you could order ammonium chloride powder but I am not sure if it is exactly the same as the powder sold in Finland. I also found out that ammonium chloride is commonly given to goats to prevent kidney stones. You can even buy them by the bag to last long time.
Ammonium chloride is also available as a tablet with prescription for cats and dogs under the name Uroeze. There is two strength in those tablets, 200mg and 400mg. You can get them from 1800Petmeds.com if you have prescription.
I learned that you can treat cats with a mixture of ammonium chloride, methionine and chalk powder by mixing everything in equal amounts. This is common treatment in Finland for cats.
I was also reading that someone treated Arabian horse with apple cider vinegar and supposedly it did dilute the kidney stones. So you might want to look into that.
This mare went back to her owners and he is getting her some ammonium chloride, I will update my story if I hear how it worked on her case. If anyone has other suggestions or has been treating their horses for kidney stones I'd love to read about your comments!
Interesting as last year my vet gave me ammonium chloride liquid to give my yearling for a bladder infection, as we had to increase his ph. |
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    Location: 31 lengths farms | We are also looking into ways to increase the PH in her urine, have come across several things but very few have shown much success in equine I guess but I don't have anything to lose. the Ammonia chloride was one, so was a product called soychlor that they have used in dairy cattle. I have her on ACV, have been doing some research on grapeseed extract also. Can't find too much info on a herb called Chanca Piedra in horses, I guess it is an old Chinese herb that they call THE STONE BREAKER... |
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    Location: 31 lengths farms | I met with a woman that does hair analysis on horses, had CC done. Her immune system is slightly low as is her lymp system which makes sense with what is going in. Started her on the herbs she carries for kidney and lymph. She was out of the immune but getting more in today. I had also contacted Silver Lining herbs and the response was a bit "canned" and not really informative at all which was pretty disappointing to tell you the truth.
CC is continuing to show me this journey is worth it:) |
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| run n rate - 2014-05-09 11:03 AM
We are also looking into ways to increase the PH in her urine, have come across several things but very few have shown much success in equine I guess but I don't have anything to lose. the Ammonia chloride was one, so was a product called soychlor that they have used in dairy cattle. I have her on ACV, have been doing some research on grapeseed extract also. Can't find too much info on a herb called Chanca Piedra in horses, I guess it is an old Chinese herb that they call THE STONE BREAKER...
My ammonium chloride is liquid, I gave 20ml via oral syringe, sorry I can't remember the concentration. |
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    Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you for the information, I appreciate it:) |
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    Location: 31 lengths farms | If anyone is following I started my mare on the kidney herbs, I will have to double check the brand, it isn't Silver Lining as I was kind of disappointed with the canned response I got to my email. Started my mare on them Thursday, actually put all 3 of the horses on it seeing as they were all on the same "diet", I did notice yesterday when I was out riding the other two, that her urine is yellow in color again and definitely has a urine smell to it where as before it did not. The vets at UC Davis said that is from the urine becoming too diluted because the kidney wasn't doing its job well so that was at least encouraging. Also, this morning for the first time in about a month when I let her out instead of just trotting out to her pasture she put her tail in the air and went flying out there like she normally does and then proceeded to make a few laps around the pasture, again, her old normal behavior.
Cheryl, was the Ammonia you used prescription? |
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       Location: Opelousas, LA | Hopefully that means progress! I have to say, I wasn't too impressed with the "help" I got from SLH either. Good thing there are many other good companies to get herb mixtures from. |
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    Location: 31 lengths farms | I was disappointed mostly because I've used some of their stuff before and liked my results but it has never been a life or death situation so I had the ability to "lets try this and see". When you get a "use #X but because of our regulations I can't say the effects". The company I'm using at least tells you the herb and what it is supposed to help with, inflammation of the urinary tract, cleansing of the urinary tract, just felt a little better to me. At least I have somewhat of an understanding of what I'm giving her.
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    Location: 31 lengths farms | Thanks again Cheryl :-) |
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    Location: 31 lengths farms | Spoke to a woman via text yesterday who's horse was diagnosed with only one functioning kidney when he was 4. She used Yucca extract, Uva Ursa leaves, essential oils and acuscope along with myopulse to keep him up and running thru age 18 when he hurt a hock in a freak dog accident. He is now 22 and still going strong out in the pasture. Just another thing to share. |
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