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Location: Nowhere Land | There is a trainer from the barn I am at that is very rude about people wearing helmets. I understand her concern, but have signed a waver relieving the barn and owners from any responsibly incase of an accident. I would also like to point out that the NY state law is 18 and under have to wear a helmet. . . And I am almost 30! She constantly pesters me. I ride western, she is an english trainer. She is not a barn manager, no anyone of authority. Am I within my rights to tell her to remove the stick from her bum and mind her own business ?! Its getting to be extremely annoying and hard to hold my tongue......  |
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| Maybe nicely say i appreciate your concern but I am comfortable not wearing one. That's a tough one. If she is not the owner or barn manager or your trainer she needs to leave well enough alone |
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Location: NE Texas | YES, you absolutely are. Tell her you have worked hard for the brain in your head and you'd like to preserve it, so back off! Helmets are cool! Good for you!!!!  |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Herbie - 2014-05-09 11:55 AM YES, you absolutely are. Tell her you have worked hard for the brain in your head and you'd like to preserve it, so back off! Helmets are cool! Good for you!!!!
Herbie.. I think the OP does not wear one and the nazi is trying to make her! |
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Location: Nowhere Land | I have been very nice to her, and she still is very persistent about nagging me about head gear. What more can I say? Is this normal behavior? I have never encountered such an issue. |
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| She shouldn't care if your not her client. Can you talk to the barn manager? |
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Location: Nowhere Land | I have spoken to both the barn owner, and manager. They'd have no issues with me riding without one. She is juts being extremely difficult. It makes it very uncomfortable for myself and people around me. Im ready to snap.  |
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| Next time she brings it up, just nicely remind her that this is a conversation you've already had and while you appreciate her concern, the conversation is over. Just be sure it's not one of the barn rules first. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | hmmmmm.....I wonder what the statistics are now? I work in Trauma and don't know of any English rider head injuries, but do know of a few serious Western rider head injuries....including a couple of deaths. Now, I'm curious. Could certainly be my area, but we do fly in a bunch so it's not just this general area that would be sent to us. |
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| I'd snap on her. I have an issue with people getting in my business like that.
I wear one, grew up riding h/j and it's just second nature and weird feeling if I don't have one on. But I don't care if people over 18 don't, that's their choice. Personally I think under 18 should - our rule was always when I pay for my own insurance I can make my own helmet choices lol. |
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| Maybe straight up ask her why she thinks it's her job to police you. I suppose if you wanted to get real serious about it get a no contact order or a restraining order for harrassment.
Some people think it's in everyone's best interest to wear a helment. I've worn one, not worn one, worn one, and am back to not again. I know the benefits and the safety measures, but I'd never push it on another adult. I don't even push it on parents who have kids riding, although I applaud the ones who do make their kids wear one. |
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Location: NE Texas | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-09 11:57 AM Herbie - 2014-05-09 11:55 AM YES, you absolutely are. Tell her you have worked hard for the brain in your head and you'd like to preserve it, so back off! Helmets are cool! Good for you!!!! 
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Herbie - 2014-05-09 9:55 AM YES, you absolutely are. Tell her you have worked hard for the brain in your head and you'd like to preserve it, so back off! Helmets are cool! Good for you!!!!
......OR you could say,
It's my brain, and I dont have to preserve it if I don't want to!
Honestly, if someone tells me what I need or need not do, I'd probably do the opposite just out of spite. Do your own thing. Tell her to kick dirt.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | While I agree that helmets are a great thing...Nagging/pestering/badgering another person to wear them is NEVER a good thing.
I tend to be a smart ass. I'd ask her if she has a mother. When she says yes...Tell her you do too...and that YOUR mother is the only one that could ever tell you what to do...and that her license to do so expired 10 years ago.
Do your barn owner and manager know this lady is harassing you? I'd sure let them know. It affects their business to have a trainer...who may be seen as a representative of the barn...harassing customers.
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | TrailGirl - 2014-05-09 1:35 PM While I agree that helmets are a great thing...Nagging/pestering/badgering another person to wear them is NEVER a good thing.
I tend to be a smart ass. I'd ask her if she has a mother. When she says yes...Tell her you do too...and that YOUR mother is the only one that could ever tell you what to do...and that her license to do so expired 10 years ago.
Do your barn owner and manager know this lady is harassing you? I'd sure let them know. It affects their business to have a trainer...who may be seen as a representative of the barn...harassing customers.
^^This would be a concern of mine if I was that barn manager or the owners. It is bad for business plain and simple.
You could say that it is your choice, not hers to make. And you've already signed the appropriate papers waiving any responsibility from the barn in case of an accident. Also mention that if she is persistant on harrassing you about it that you will have to put a complaint on file with the barn about her behavior.
Or you could stoop to her level and just say that you don't complain when she rides in riding breeches which are less protective than a pair of jeans.Besides, jeans don't make our butts look big. IMO. Good luck with her, cuz you're gonna probably need it. |
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Location: Southern IL somewhere between KY and MO | LRQHS - 2014-05-09 12:09 PM hmmmmm.....I wonder what the statistics are now? I work in Trauma and don't know of any English rider head injuries, but do know of a few serious Western rider head injuries....including a couple of deaths. Now, I'm curious. Could certainly be my area, but we do fly in a bunch so it's not just this general area that would be sent to us.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | coco~n~cash - 2014-05-09 1:53 PM LRQHS - 2014-05-09 12:09 PM hmmmmm.....I wonder what the statistics are now? I work in Trauma and don't know of any English rider head injuries, but do know of a few serious Western rider head injuries....including a couple of deaths. Now, I'm curious. Could certainly be my area, but we do fly in a bunch so it's not just this general area that would be sent to us. Christopher Reeves.....
He had a neck/spinal cord injury...not a TBI as far as I know. Without the helmet...he may very well have ended up with both. Who knows |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Tell her you have nothing to protect so what is her point? LOL |
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Location: California | I'll wear one on certain horses and depending on what I'm doing and where I am riding. I've seen people have life long seizures as a result of concussions they suffered in horse accidents. My sister suffered a concussion almost 2 years ago and still has vertigo. Ambulance rides are expensive too. $2500 to go a few miles!? I'd rather take that money and buy a nice saddle. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | LRQHS - 2014-05-09 12:09 PM
hmmmmm.....I wonder what the statistics are now? I work in Trauma and don't know of any English rider head injuries, but do know of a few serious Western rider head injuries....including a couple of deaths. Now, I'm curious. Could certainly be my area, but we do fly in a bunch so it's not just this general area that would be sent to us.
I think a lot of it is a culture thing. Hunter/ Dressage/ Jumpers/ Eventers can not fathom riding without a helmet because it is absolutely required in every single event they go to whether you are schooling or showing. To them, riding without a helmet is like a barrel racer racing without saddle. It is deeply ingrained in the english world, and again an absolute requirement so thats part of where her attitude is coming from. Barrel racers can be the same way on other things too. As far as trauma cases, there has been a couple of severe head injuries and deaths of Eventers the last few months. In each case I think it had to do with a jump---- and most likely a pretty advanced jump. A helment isn't fail proof but it sure does helps the odds and can mean the difference between life or death, or being a vegetable. I think it is a personal choice, however having shown hunter quite a bit and being a judge, I don't really get why people get so upset when a show or facility requires wearing one. |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | AngieM1 - 2014-05-09 12:06 PM I have spoken to both the barn owner, and manager. They'd have no issues with me riding without one. She is juts being extremely difficult. It makes it very uncomfortable for myself and people around me. Im ready to snap.
So snap all over her nosy ass. I guarantee when I got done with her she would never even look at me again, let alone speak to me. I do wear a helmet though. Well, I will again when my yearling is old enough to ride. I'm kind of looking forward to shopping for one, it's been over 10 years since I rode.
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| I probably tell her that last time I checked, this was still a somewhat free country and as an adult am able and capable of making my own decisions. End of story. |
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| Tell her every time she mentions a helmet to you, you're going to tell one of her students how stupid they look in a helmet. |
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2014-05-09 5:30 PM Tell her every time she mentions a helmet to you, you're going to tell one of her students how stupid they look in a helmet.
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | She may have a very personal reason for being so persistent. Why not ask her why she is so persistent? It IS a personal choice and in all honesty I cringe when I see motorcycle riders without one, too. Twice helmets have saved my husband's life in motorcycle incidents. Twice! About two years ago a helmet saved me from brain injury when my mare decided to unseat me and caught me with a hoof when I hit the ground. If I'd not had the helmet -- who knows? I took a pretty sound whack on the head - and because of the helmet, got up and walked away with no issue. Otherwise, I would have probably had a very serious TBI. It's such a simple and easy thing to do to protect yourself and your children. But, it is a choice. I would simply ask this lady why she is so persistent -- hear her story and then explain your reason for deciding not to wear one. I can tell you - once a helmet has saved someone you love OR you have had a loved one or friend receive a TBI and become disabled, you DO become very loud about the need to wear them....and it's difficult to sit there and watch people risk themselves knowing how their lives and their loved ones lives will change forever in the blink of an eye. It's not just yourself you risk - someone has to take care of you after that brain injury.....
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Location: Central Montana | TXBO - 2014-05-09 4:30 PM Tell her every time she mentions a helmet to you, you're going to tell one of her students how stupid they look in a helmet.
This makes me cringe.
That is the reason a lot of people don't wear them is they think they looks stupid or they look like they don't know what they are doing. That is the fartherst thing from the truth .... they are the smartest of all to wear one and protect their head.
I would just say you've spoken with the owners and they have told you they are not required and until they require them you aren't going to wear one.
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Location: MD | tell her to mind her own. i was temporarily at a boarding barn that was primarily english trail riders who would preach to me over and over about my lack of helmet use. I said, "Thank you for your concern for me but I'm an adult and can make the choice to wear one." If this keeps going on get sassy on her arse. I had to a few times because ladies wouldn't drop it. I don't understand why people think they can talk to you this way when in no way does it involve them. |
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| GoinJettin - 2014-05-10 6:07 PM
TXBO - 2014-05-09 4:30 PM Tell her every time she mentions a helmet to you, you're going to tell one of her students how stupid they look in a helmet.
This makes me cringe.
That is the reason a lot of people don't wear them is they think they looks stupid or they look like they don't know what they are doing. That is the fartherst thing from the truth .... they are the smartest of all to wear one and protect their head.
I would just say you've spoken with the owners and they have told you they are not required and until they require them you aren't going to wear one.
That answer makes me cringe as well. Yes, it's a personal choice (and NY is under 18 NOT 18 and under) but that mentality is the reason a lot more people don't wear them. Because they think they'll look stupid or people will laugh at them. I'm the first to admit that I stopped wearing one the second I turned 18. While I completely agree that a cowboy hat is a lot more traditional for our discipline and looks better, making someone feel bad about wearing a helmet is a jerk move. Everyone is right though, if the owners are not worried about it, it's not really her business. It's one thing to voice her concern about it but persistently annoying you over it, isn't okay.
My vet found out I wasn't wearing a helmet when i had a pretty nasty spill and his words have tended to stick with me! "People that don't have the brains to wear a helmet, don't have any brains worth protecting."
A little harsh but a pretty effective wake up call!
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| TXBO - 2014-05-09 6:30 PM
Tell her every time she mentions a helmet to you, you're going to tell one of her students how stupid they look in a helmet.
I'd probably be a jerk to her, but not that kind of jerk. Sorry but I think that's absolutely awful. I am dissapoint. |
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| For those who do wear helmets. And this goes to the comment about the motorcycle.
Helmets are only guarantees for one crash, just like a car seat, even if it is just a little bump, you should toss the helmet, and purchase another one. Please do not buy a used one as you do not know the history of the helmet
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Holy cow...what a pushy busybody! Yup, several options...take the high road, and complain to the barn managers, or 2, be polite and tell her youve considered her advice, and chosen against it, but you appreciate her concern, or (my personal fave sarcasm...)...tell her when she starts wearing a helmet to drive, which is a far more dangerous undertaking than schooling a horse in an arena, that you will strongly re-think your current position LOL!! Good luck with the old *****y-body!! |
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Location: Up and over to the right | I'm a helmet wearer through all disciplines, I suffered a gnarly concussion a few years ago and I had a helmet on. I would have been dead w/o one. My barn requires one for all ages and disciplines and I'm in your neck of the woods. It weeds out some people from coming and prevents the chance of a lawsuit due to injury/death by a smidgen.
My thought is she is a nag so that her clients will still wear one if they see you w/o one. She definitely should get out of your business as you can do what you want as an adult. Talk w/ the owner and maybe she can settle this w/ the trainer. |
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Location: southeast Texas | I would just keep asking her "What?". She repeats herself, "What?", she repeats herself, "What?".
She might get tired of repeating herself every time she sees you with out a helmet. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | TrailGirl - 2014-05-09 2:05 PM coco~n~cash - 2014-05-09 1:53 PM LRQHS - 2014-05-09 12:09 PM hmmmmm.....I wonder what the statistics are now? I work in Trauma and don't know of any English rider head injuries, but do know of a few serious Western rider head injuries....including a couple of deaths. Now, I'm curious. Could certainly be my area, but we do fly in a bunch so it's not just this general area that would be sent to us. Christopher Reeves.....
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | Rather than some of these replies, I'd be an adult and just tell her you understand the risk, you've signed a waiver and would appreciate her respecting your decision. I'd also ask the barn owner to have a conversation with her as well. If she is ruining the boarding experience for others, it could have an effect on the BO's client retention. |
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Location: Midwest | RayMor - 2014-05-10 6:35 PM
GoinJettin - 2014-05-10 6:07 PM
TXBO - 2014-05-09 4:30 PM Tell her every time she mentions a helmet to you, you're going to tell one of her students how stupid they look in a helmet.
This makes me cringe.
That is the reason a lot of people don't wear them is they think they looks stupid or they look like they don't know what they are doing. That is the fartherst thing from the truth .... they are the smartest of all to wear one and protect their head.
I would just say you've spoken with the owners and they have told you they are not required and until they require them you aren't going to wear one.
That answer makes me cringe as well. Yes, it's a personal choice (and NY is under 18 NOT 18 and under ) but that mentality is the reason a lot more people don't wear them. Because they think they'll look stupid or people will laugh at them. I'm the first to admit that I stopped wearing one the second I turned 18. While I completely agree that a cowboy hat is a lot more traditional for our discipline and looks better, making someone feel bad about wearing a helmet is a jerk move. Everyone is right though, if the owners are not worried about it, it's not really her business. It's one thing to voice her concern about it but persistently annoying you over it, isn't okay.
My vet found out I wasn't wearing a helmet when i had a pretty nasty spill and his words have tended to stick with me! "People that don't have the brains to wear a helmet, don't have any brains worth protecting."
A little harsh but a pretty effective wake up call!
I think you guys are missing the point
It made me laugh not because people look stupid in helmets, but if someone is going to be a pushy b---- about their beliefs, they better be okay with pushing people right back in the opposite direction
I highly doubt he would actually go tell people not to wear helmets, good gawd
I don't wear a helmet when I run, I should, but as an adult I can make whatever dumbazz choice I want without having to be preached at 24/7. I did wear one all the time as a youth and when I did the jumpers. I have nothing against people that wear them and I don't think they look stupid at all.
Personally I just hate the type of person that thinks they know what EVERYONE else should do....and then feels the need to tell them so. |
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Location: Midwest | Tilt The Kilt - 2014-05-12 8:08 AM Rather than some of these replies, I'd be an adult and just tell her you understand the risk, you've signed a waiver and would appreciate her respecting your decision. I'd also ask the barn owner to have a conversation with her as well. If she is ruining the boarding experience for others, it could have an effect on the BO's client retention.
BTW, this is what I would actually do |
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Location: Kentucky | Tilt The Kilt - 2014-05-12 9:08 AM Rather than some of these replies, I'd be an adult and just tell her you understand the risk, you've signed a waiver and would appreciate her respecting your decision. I'd also ask the barn owner to have a conversation with her as well. If she is ruining the boarding experience for others, it could have an effect on the BO's client retention.
I agree with this. I really don't understand why people would snap on her. Like another poster said, maybe she had a personal experience and is actually very concerned for your safety. |
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Location: California | If anyone is going to buy a helmet, please get a good one. My husband was almost killed because the Caliente (can't wear them anymore on the track) type he wore didn't cover the back of the head enough. Just got done working a horse and was riding back into the shedrow. Kicked his feet out of the irons and this groom comes rushing out of a stall with those big canvas type muck barrels right behind him. It spooked the horse and it kicked out only to have it's leg caught between where the canvas attaches to the frame. All hell broke loose. Jack bailed and was kicked in the back of the head right under the helmet. Sh*t happens and you never know when or where. I wear a jock's helmet when my horse has a bug up his ass. I can predict it. Just get a good one is all I'm saying.
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| Delta Cowgirl - 2014-05-09 5:57 PM
She may have a very personal reason for being so persistent. Why not ask her why she is so persistent? It IS a personal choice and in all honesty I cringe when I see motorcycle riders without one, too. Twice helmets have saved my husband's life in motorcycle incidents. Twice! About two years ago a helmet saved me from brain injury when my mare decided to unseat me and caught me with a hoof when I hit the ground. If I'd not had the helmet -- who knows? I took a pretty sound whack on the head - and because of the helmet, got up and walked away with no issue. Otherwise, I would have probably had a very serious TBI. It's such a simple and easy thing to do to protect yourself and your children. But, it is a choice. I would simply ask this lady why she is so persistent -- hear her story and then explain your reason for deciding not to wear one. I can tell you - once a helmet has saved someone you love OR you have had a loved one or friend receive a TBI and become disabled, you DO become very loud about the need to wear them....and it's difficult to sit there and watch people risk themselves knowing how their lives and their loved ones lives will change forever in the blink of an eye. It's not just yourself you risk - someone has to take care of you after that brain injury.....
Totally agree! I strongly agree is a personal choice and every body should be respectful of each individual's choice. I have seen what a TBI does to a rider and their families, the painful recovery, relearning how to talk, walk, eat and let's not forget the financial burden! What we do is risky, so... why not to protect ourselves a little? but then again, that is my choice |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-05-09 2:05 PM
Tell her you have nothing to protect so what is her point? LOL
I totally agree. I think the young lady that lives near me would love to have a second chance to wear a helmet. She will never ride again or drive again. I am not invincible and I wear one. |
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Location: Midwest | sport565 - 2014-05-13 11:10 PM What type of helmets are recommended for barrel racing?
I think anything ASTM certified would be fine. :) |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I haven't worn one much before except when required. But I had a yucky spill this weekend and ended up with six staples on the top of my head. If that hoof had hit just a bit harder or a bit further back I'd have been in a lot more trouble. I'm going to invest in one.
I like this one:
That being said. Yes, it is your choice. I would let her explain her persistence and then explain that your respect her opinion but it is ultimately your choice. |
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| sport565 - 2014-05-13 11:10 PM
What type of helmets are recommended for barrel racing?
barrelhorsenews has an add of Troxel helmets with some kind of design on it. I ride on an Ovation helmet. Very very light and very low profile. I love it!
http://www.doversaddlery.com/ovation%3f-deluxe-schooler-helmet/p/X1... |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | love2ridepre - 2014-05-14 8:18 AM
sport565 - 2014-05-13 11:10 PM
What type of helmets are recommended for barrel racing?
barrelhorsenews has an add of Troxel helmets with some kind of design on it. I ride on an Ovation helmet. Very very light and very low profile. I love it!
http://www.doversaddlery.com/ovation%3f-deluxe-schooler-helmet/p/X1...
May be the one pictured above. It's a troxel. |
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Location: NE Texas | I have a Charles Owen Pro II Skull Cap in silver. It fits great and meets all standards since it's made for the eventing world. You know they take some spills!
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2014-05-09 2:05 PM Tell her you have nothing to protect so what is her point? LOL
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Location: Oklahoma | I have 2 helmets... Charles Owen AYR8 and a GPA Speed Air Evolution. I used to work at a tack store and the most important thing about a helmet is having someone who has been trained in fitting them fit you. They need to be snug and sitting in the proper position on your head.
Also, everytime you fall and hit your head, even if your helmet looks ok you should still replace it. There may be interior damage that cannot easily be seen.
Growing up riding hunters/jumpers I was used to a helmet. I've gotten lazy over the years when I switched to western, but I am going to start wearing a helmet again. |
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Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | to add to the when you have a fall replace it statement, a lot of the helmets manufacturers either have warranties or discounts if you send your old one for the replacement |
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Location: Oklahoma | jenijill - 2014-05-14 6:50 AM to add to the when you have a fall replace it statement, a lot of the helmets manufacturers either have warranties or discounts if you send your old one for the replacement
Yes they do... Charles Owen's replacement is 3 years... The first year is a 40%, 2nd year is 30%, 3rd year is 20% discount. |
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