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| http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/maid+by+perfection
This is my mare, I love her to death and she's (hopefully) going to be in foal soon to Otro Fracaso. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/otro+fracaso
My question: Do all roads really lead to Three Bars, or does she have more of the great old man than most? I'm not a pedigree guru like some of you.
Anyone care to start a pool on color of the foal? Lol! |
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The Advice Guru
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| I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but I only see three bars twice and that is from rocket bar, anything off of allbreed is too far back on the second pedigree.
The first pedigree, three bars is still too far back for me to consider it.
I have a 14 year old mare who is a great grand daughter of three bars, it is still on her papers, but is not on her foals.
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Location: Kansas and loving it | I am not sure if you mean every quarter horse goes back to Three Bars. Plenty of horses have Steel Dust, Oklahoma Star, Plaudit and Midnight. |
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| I can see that it's fairly far back. It's just funny to see his name so many times on her allbreed. If you expand more generations back he shows up even more. Three Bars just seems to have sired a lot of rodeo and performance quarter horses, and I was curious if he shows up in her extended pedigree more than most. I can look at my other horses and say he doesn't, but that doesn't mean anything. |
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| HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-05-10 3:33 PM
I can see that it's fairly far back. It's just funny to see his name so many times on her allbreed. If you expand more generations back he shows up even more. Three Bars just seems to have sired a lot of rodeo and performance quarter horses, and I was curious if he shows up in her extended pedigree more than most. I can look at my other horses and say he doesn't, but that doesn't mean anything.
You would be going back a long way, just remember how diluted that gene is.
Personally I look at the first two lines of the pedigree, after that there are too many variables.
And no not everything goes back to three bars, I had one mare that was 97 percent king. If you look at foundation breeding there would be more that didn't go back to three bars. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | I understand. I've looked at enough pedigrees to wonder the same thing. AQHA really does seem to go back to just a few. I guess it's the same in all breeds. I mean, all man's roads lead back to Adam and Eve, right?
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| I'm bored tonight so I started looking I have one that goes back 14 times.
My old barrel horse who is 22 has no three bars and is quarter horse and bred to run
I have a mare who has it twice, one of those is a great grand sire of three bars.
I have a filly who has it 3 times she is off of Mel Potters farm
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Location: Dubach, LA | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-10 9:09 PM I'm bored tonight so I started looking I have one that goes back 14 times. My old barrel horse who is 22 has no three bars and is quarter horse and bred to run I have a mare who has it twice, one of those is a great grand sire of three bars. I have a filly who has it 3 times she is off of Mel Potters farm
You made me look. Everything on my place from ages 7-28 whether it was race or halter bred has Three Bars in the pedigree. |
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| CanCan - 2014-05-11 12:42 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-10 9:09 PM I'm bored tonight so I started looking I have one that goes back 14 times. My old barrel horse who is 22 has no three bars and is quarter horse and bred to run I have a mare who has it twice, one of those is a great grand sire of three bars. I have a filly who has it 3 times she is off of Mel Potters farm
You made me look. Everything on my place from ages 7-28 whether it was race or halter bred has Three Bars in the pedigree.
I noticed mine had a lot more king bred. My 22 year old has a lot of equestrian, nasarula, old thoroughbred blood in the back, but no three bars. I didn't look through all of mine. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | CanCan - 2014-05-11 12:42 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-10 9:09 PM I'm bored tonight so I started looking I have one that goes back 14 times. My old barrel horse who is 22 has no three bars and is quarter horse and bred to run I have a mare who has it twice, one of those is a great grand sire of three bars. I have a filly who has it 3 times she is off of Mel Potters farm
You made me look. Everything on my place from ages 7-28 whether it was race or halter bred has Three Bars in the pedigree.
Yup here too. My foundation and halter bred included... Foundation through one line of Doc bar thats far back.
ETA: Most of mine are cutters/reiners and they all have him in some form. My race bred is a given.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Every horse I have thats worth anything...goes back to three bars...which doesn't bother me a bit....happy happy happy..:)M |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Speaking of Three Bars, there's a TX filly on this website that has Three Bars ON HER PAPERS. I find that incredible. |
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| Three bars was probably the most influential thoroughbred in the quarter horse industry. A few of my horses go back to Three Bars but so far back it is not of ANY significance. In looking at today's pedigrees, the big producing stallions have very little influence from Three Bars. They are producers on their own merit. I would be looking at horses that have the modern producers on there pedigrees they are superior to the older horses. EXAMPLE: Easy Jet was a tremendous producer but the continuation of that line as in Streakin Six and Mr Jess Perry are as good or better than Easy Jet. I am a lover of Easy Jet horses but you do have to look at the more modern lines as well. Three Bars has become so dilute there really is not an outstanding performance line left. |
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| CanCan - 2014-05-11 4:14 PM
Speaking of Three Bars, there's a TX filly on this website that has Three Bars ON HER PAPERS. I find that incredible.
There are still a few, as I said I have a 14 yr old who still has three bars on her papers. |
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Location: Texas | I have never really thought to look for it…but now I am curious and want to count. I'll be back with an update! |
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| Honeymoney - 2014-05-11 6:35 PM
Three bars was probably the most influential thoroughbred in the quarter horse industry. A few of my horses go back to Three Bars but so far back it is not of ANY significance. In looking at today's pedigrees, the big producing stallions have very little influence from Three Bars. They are producers on their own merit. I would be looking at horses that have the modern producers on there pedigrees they are superior to the older horses. EXAMPLE: Easy Jet was a tremendous producer but the continuation of that line as in Streakin Six and Mr Jess Perry are as good or better than Easy Jet. I am a lover of Easy Jet horses but you do have to look at the more modern lines as well. Three Bars has become so dilute there really is not an outstanding performance line left.
Agreed. She has him a few through Triple Chick, Do Do Chick, Boston Mac, etc., otherwise I wouldn't think much of it.
I went and looked at my other two, and he's there once on theirs, too. Talk about prolific! |
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Location: Texas | Bright Miles- didn't see it until 6th generation, after 6th generation it starts popping up
Ole Rare Hope- is a great granddaughter of Three bars, as her dam is an own daughter of The Ole Manhttp://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ole+rare+hope
Ms Rare Buds- didn't see it until 6th generation, then started seeing it. I quit looking because it's so far back
Reckless Lucy- goes to Three Bars in the 5th generation, once I started looking at 6th generation on back it's everywhere
Flit has Three Bars quite a bit: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/doc+o+flits+honor
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Most of the good QH running lines are going to go back to him. I've got a mare where he's just one line off her papers. Got another mare where Joe Reed is just one line off her papers. Both are good lines but still further back. I tend to consider the first two lines most too. No question that three bars is an incredibly influential sire though, truly a great. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | The stallion still has Three Bars on his papers:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/el+scorcho
And, I bred this filly to concentrate more Rocket Bar/Three Bars in her pedigree. We plan to race her.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/by+divine+right+foal
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Location: SE KS | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-11 9:17 PM
CanCan - 2014-05-11 4:14 PM
Speaking of Three Bars, there's a TX filly on this website that has Three Bars ON HER PAPERS. I find that incredible.
There are still a few, as I said I have a 14 yr old who still has three bars on her papers.
My mare has Three Bars on her papers too!!!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/searles+winning+gold
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| We have 6 head and everyone is got Three Bars at least once. The grade I have I'm pretty sure has a Three Bars in him too lol. Half the time I forget he's even a Thoroughbred since he's in every quarter horse papers I've owned. |
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Do all roads lead to 3Bars?