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Location: Washington | So Michael Sam get's drafted in the 7th round, that's deemed "news" because he is gay, media is there to watch him kiss his boyfriend, it makes national news, backlash against those who say anything negative about it and or fined. Whatever happened to being allowed your opinion? |
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Location: Washington | Nateracer - 2014-05-12 9:08 AM Govt has to try to make money on these dumb fines because they don't have enough to run whatever bogus schemes they come up.
The NFL fined Don Jones for his comment, not the government. Hell our president called Michael Sam and personally congratulated him. That confused me because, wasn't sure it was for him being openly gay, or the congrats on being picked in the 7th round of the draft and being gay, or making the national news kissing said boyfriend because he is gay. WHAT was the big deal? |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I hear ya.
Right now in Arkansas they are seeking (and being successful) in overturning a law that was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by the people of the state to ban recognition of Same Sex Marriages. A small vocal activist minority is suing to overturn the wishes of the majority. I have a problem with that. Itf the voters speak...it should stand. If they want to change it...take another vote. It could be any issue...not just this one...and I'd feel the same way. What people do in their bedroom isn't my concern...it's when they push their agenda on everyone else with zero tolerance of other opinions that I take issue.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Personally, I couldn't care less about his sexual orientation. The media is turning it into their own tawdry circus. It sounds like he is a good player. The rest is just a tempest in a teapot, as far as I'm concerned. I hope he makes it, but not because he is gay, rather, because he turns out to be good on the field. I hope he sets a good example as a good man who does good things off the field, as opposed to some of the spoiled brats we've grown accustomed to seeing in recent years. It sounds like the kid has had to overcome more obstacles than just hiding his sexuality when he was growing up. He was raised by his mother, as his father basically ran off shortly after he was born. Of his 5 brothers, one died in infancy, one disappeared, one was shot right in front of Micheal, and two are in prison. For some time as a kid he lived in a car with his mother. I don't have a clue what kind of person he is, but I hope he proves to be good enough to make it and that he is a good, productive citizen who gives something back. If he does all that, given his experiences growing up, that would really be something to admire. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | You know...If I were him I would want my name to be known because I was an awesome football player. Not for what the media is exploiting and labeling him to be. Good luck to him...I hope he can put all of that nonsense aside and show what he can do on the field.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If he makes it, I hope it isn't because he's gay. I will make one prediction, and that is I think he is a shoo in to make it. The political correctness pressures are going to really make it hard for the Rams to cut him, even if he doesn't meet expectations on the field. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not.
Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband.
I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. |
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| fatchance - 2014-05-12 11:17 AM Nateracer - 2014-05-12 9:08 AM Govt has to try to make money on these dumb fines because they don't have enough to run whatever bogus schemes they come up. The NFL fined Don Jones for his comment, not the government. Hell our president called Michael Sam and personally congratulated him. That confused me because, wasn't sure it was for him being openly gay, or the congrats on being picked in the 7th round of the draft and being gay, or making the national news kissing said boyfriend because he is gay. WHAT was the big deal?
Sorry, I missed the story. But still, I agree, who cares what sexual orientation you have. That doesn't make you or break you as an athlete. BUT right now, it seems that it is news and/or newsworthy. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous.
I think the way to acceptance is to do what you're doing. Live your life like what you're doing is perfectly normal, because it is to you, right? It's when it is shoved down people's throats and they are told you must accept this without a peep and no honest, negative reaction allowed that they will get their hackles up about it. The media is making acceptance harder instead of easier because of their greed for ratings generated by controversy. It's in their interests to keep the antagonism going, just like they do with the race issue. |
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Location: Tennessee | livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM
It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not.
Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband.
I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous.
I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it.
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-12 10:09 AM
livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous.
I think the way to acceptance is to do what you're doing. Live your life like what you're doing is perfectly normal, because it is to you, right? It's when it is shoved down people's throats and they are told you must accept this without a peep and no honest, negative reaction allowed that they will get their hackles up about it. The media is making acceptance harder instead of easier because of their greed for ratings generated by controversy. It's in their interests to keep the antagonism going, just like they do with the race issue.
Thank you (: Honestly, it is never my intention to shove it down anyones throat. But while I don't seek attention, I AM confrontational and can get very defensive. That's how I am with anything though. Barrel racers have a bad rap, I get the same little nervous feeling when I tell someone I barrel race, especially if they have an english or performance background because I already feel like I have to defend it.
As far as being openly gay and sports, I think you're ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't. If you don't mention you're gay upfront then it's like you're "hiding it" and everything explodes if it comes out later (when maybe the person thinks like me and didn't think they had to mention it!? Does everyone else announce that they're straight before they drafted?) If you mention it upfront then it becomes a big deal and people think it's being flaunted. It's one of those things that in reality shouldn't matter, but like I said, the media dictates that it does.
I definitely understand people where it is against their religion. My girlfriend's mom is very religious and didn't speak to her for 3 months after she came out. But shunning someone that you think is sinning isn't going to get yourself into Heaven. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | As far as I'm concerned, the guy has an opportunity to make a big difference. There will be a lot of pressure on him, but if he does well, that could go a long ways to ending this senseless debate on gay rights. We now have gay soldiers and all that hubub from the 90's is now largely behind us. I haven't heard of any people traumatized or harmed by fighting alongside a gay soldier.....but I do know that several have been decorated for heroism and several have died defending this country. I honestly think a lot of people who are anti-gay are this way because they themselves harbor some abiguous sexual feelings. That's just my opinion. This gay debate and the circus that always follows is rapidly coming to a close. Just like masturbation has not led to blindness, being gay is no threat to anyone, and there's no reason why they should have to disguise it. Time to move on to issues that really matter. |
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Location: Washington | He has his work cut out for him. Not because he is gay, because his stats were not that good, but the Rams felt he was worth taking. Sure he is a great guy and has over comed a lot, but haven't we all. I know I did, but it's not news worthy it called life.
Livin, I am so happy you find no need to say much about your choices. Because they are just that.
My husband good friend was here with his then girlfriend, and out of no where decided to tell me that her prior relationship of 7 years was with a woman.....I just looked at her and said "Thats relevant how to this conversation?" SHE was looking to shock me. She felt I had a right to know? I assured her I didn't care, but hoped she shared this information with my husbands friend, he might find it relevant?
I swear most media tries to stir up more crap about nothing, hubby blames it on that they see the high ratings of reality TV and goes for it.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here is the headline by the Huffingon Post from 2 days ago:
"Watch Michael Sam Kiss His Boyfriend After Making History"
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 11:41 AM
If he makes it, I hope it isn't because he's gay. I will make one prediction, and that is I think he is a shoo in to make it. The political correctness pressures are going to really make it hard for the Rams to cut him, even if he doesn't meet expectations on the field.
If he makes it in the NFL Doc, it will BE because he is a good player. The media(oker) just hams it up because he is the 1st OPEN gay in the NFL. I've very proud of my home state Missouri (Tigers & Rams). I can remember when this would never happen there. |
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| The media will cover anything that draws viewers so they can please the advertisers. The more viewers the more they charge those advertisers the more exposure the product. They are talking about Sam not because he is gay but because Proctor and Gamble need to sell more deodorant. Same concept applies to anything that might make a person throw thier hands in the air. THEY WANT you to get upset because then you'll watch thier news like a train wreck.
I don't care what the dude choses for his personal life. Good luck and go play good ball. But If I were him, I would want to be known for my skills in my profession, not that i'm attracted to cowboys that look like Luke. LOL |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | fatchance - 2014-05-12 12:49 PM He has his work cut out for him. Not because he is gay, because his stats were not that good, but the Rams felt he was worth taking. Sure he is a great guy and has over comed a lot, but haven't we all. I know I did, but it's not news worthy it called life.
Livin, I am so happy you find no need to say much about your choices. Because they are just that.
My husband good friend was here with his then girlfriend, and out of no where decided to tell me that her prior relationship of 7 years was with a woman.....I just looked at her and said "Thats relevant how to this conversation?" SHE was looking to shock me. She felt I had a right to know? I assured her I didn't care, but hoped she shared this information with my husbands friend, he might find it relevant?
I swear most media tries to stir up more crap about nothing, hubby blames it on that they see the high ratings of reality TV and goes for it.
I would say that being a consensus All-American and SEC defensive player of the year is pretty impressive. I also think that the obstacles he has had to oversome is pretty amazing, and noteworthy. The kid experienced abandonment, murder of two of his siblings, the imprisonment of two others, homelessness....along with a life of having to hide who he is. I think that is something worth noting and it can serve as a good story that can inspire other kids. His kissing his boyfriend is not newsworthy as far as I'm cocerned.
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Location: SE Louisiana | RidenFly - 2014-05-12 12:55 PM The media will cover anything that draws viewers so they can please the advertisers. The more viewers the more they charge those advertisers the more exposure the product. They are talking about Sam not because he is gay but because Proctor and Gamble need to sell more deodorant. Same concept applies to anything that might make a person throw thier hands in the air. THEY WANT you to get upset because then you'll watch thier news like a train wreck.
I don't care what the dude choses for his personal life. Good luck and go play good ball. But If I were him, I would want to be known for my skills in my profession, not that i'm attracted to cowboys that look like Luke. LOL
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| TrailGirl - 2014-05-12 11:20 AM
I hear ya.
Right now in Arkansas they are seeking (and being successful) in overturning a law that was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by the people of the state to ban recognition of Same Sex Marriages. A small vocal activist minority is suing to overturn the wishes of the majority. I have a problem with that. Itf the voters speak...it should stand. If they want to change it...take another vote. It could be any issue...not just this one...and I'd feel the same way. What people do in their bedroom isn't my concern...it's when they push their agenda on everyone else with zero tolerance of other opinions that I take issue.
The wishes of the people mean nothing to this government...but we already knew that.
So what you are saying is that the will of the majority should trump the rights of the minority? There are reasons we have constitutional rights....one of them being to protect individual (minority) from this thinking. What if the majority voted to ban interracial marriage, would that be ok? If certain states (majority) think black people shouldn't be allowed to vote is that ok? I am as conservative as they come, and while I don't necessarily agree with gay marriage, I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, the rights of gay people to marry can even be questioned. Marriage is not strictly a religious institution. In our society marriage also carries with it tax, inheritance, and a slew of other implications.....all of which are essentially being denied to gay individuals who are not allowed to marry (in certain states). While I agree that the will of the majority should decide most issues, rights afforded to individuals is not one of them. |
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Location: Midwest | Haulin@$$ - 2014-05-12 1:14 PM TrailGirl - 2014-05-12 11:20 AM I hear ya.
Right now in Arkansas they are seeking (and being successful) in overturning a law that was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by the people of the state to ban recognition of Same Sex Marriages. A small vocal activist minority is suing to overturn the wishes of the majority. I have a problem with that. Itf the voters speak...it should stand. If they want to change it...take another vote. It could be any issue...not just this one...and I'd feel the same way. What people do in their bedroom isn't my concern...it's when they push their agenda on everyone else with zero tolerance of other opinions that I take issue.
The wishes of the people mean nothing to this government...but we already knew that. So what you are saying is that the will of the majority should trump the rights of the minority? There are reasons we have constitutional rights....one of them being to protect individual (minority ) from this thinking. What if the majority voted to ban interracial marriage, would that be ok? If certain states (majority ) think black people shouldn't be allowed to vote is that ok? I am as conservative as they come, and while I don't necessarily agree with gay marriage, I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, the rights of gay people to marry can even be questioned. Marriage is not strictly a religious institution. In our society marriage also carries with it tax, inheritance, and a slew of other implications.....all of which are essentially being denied to gay individuals who are not allowed to marry (in certain states ). While I agree that the will of the majority should decide most issues, rights afforded to individuals is not one of them.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-12 1:15 PM Haulin@$$ - 2014-05-12 1:14 PM TrailGirl - 2014-05-12 11:20 AM I hear ya.
Right now in Arkansas they are seeking (and being successful) in overturning a law that was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by the people of the state to ban recognition of Same Sex Marriages. A small vocal activist minority is suing to overturn the wishes of the majority. I have a problem with that. Itf the voters speak...it should stand. If they want to change it...take another vote. It could be any issue...not just this one...and I'd feel the same way. What people do in their bedroom isn't my concern...it's when they push their agenda on everyone else with zero tolerance of other opinions that I take issue.
The wishes of the people mean nothing to this government...but we already knew that. So what you are saying is that the will of the majority should trump the rights of the minority? There are reasons we have constitutional rights....one of them being to protect individual (minority ) from this thinking. What if the majority voted to ban interracial marriage, would that be ok? If certain states (majority ) think black people shouldn't be allowed to vote is that ok? I am as conservative as they come, and while I don't necessarily agree with gay marriage, I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, the rights of gay people to marry can even be questioned. Marriage is not strictly a religious institution. In our society marriage also carries with it tax, inheritance, and a slew of other implications.....all of which are essentially being denied to gay individuals who are not allowed to marry (in certain states ). While I agree that the will of the majority should decide most issues, rights afforded to individuals is not one of them.
I agree as well. This is why we don't have a pure democracy.....so we don't have "mob rule". |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Well and you guys make a great point. I just tend to cringe when the voters are given an opportunity to vote...and then that result is just tossed aside.
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Location: Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 1:00 PM fatchance - 2014-05-12 12:49 PM He has his work cut out for him. Not because he is gay, because his stats were not that good, but the Rams felt he was worth taking. Sure he is a great guy and has over comed a lot, but haven't we all. I know I did, but it's not news worthy it called life.
Livin, I am so happy you find no need to say much about your choices. Because they are just that.
My husband good friend was here with his then girlfriend, and out of no where decided to tell me that her prior relationship of 7 years was with a woman.....I just looked at her and said "Thats relevant how to this conversation?" SHE was looking to shock me. She felt I had a right to know? I assured her I didn't care, but hoped she shared this information with my husbands friend, he might find it relevant?
I swear most media tries to stir up more crap about nothing, hubby blames it on that they see the high ratings of reality TV and goes for it.
Actually, fatchance is right. His stats aren't that good if you break them down on a game-by-game basis. His stats that earned him co-defensive player were obtained in 2 games. (Maybe 3 games, I can't remember exactly...but pretty sure it was 2.) Also, his size and speed hurts him. He's not big enough to play his college position in the NFL and not fast enough to really be moved elsewhere. And if I had paid better attention, I could have told you which positions. I don't think his sexuality helped him in the draft, but I don't believe it really hurt him either.
But  to the media for making a mountain out of a molehill. I'd rather have more gay players than the womanizers, wife beaters, etc. But that isn't news anymore... |
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Location: Oklahoma | The problem I had with the coverage was hearing the commentator state if Sams had not been drafted, it would have been a huge step backwards for the NFL and "shame ion them" for being prejudice. No, Mr. Commentator, if he had not been drafted it would have been because of his cruddy performance at the Combine!
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling
Well, the little crybaby already said he should have been picked sooner, so **** right he's causing it. The only reason he inflicted his homosexuality on the world was so they could make a stink if he didn't make it. Like I said about the flaming homosexual weir at the Derby, I have had ENOUGH. And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil!
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kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil!
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 12:00 PM I would say that being a consensus All-American and SEC defensive player of the year is pretty impressive. I also think that the obstacles he has had to oversome is pretty amazing, and noteworthy. The kid experienced abandonment, murder of two of his siblings, the imprisonment of two others, homelessness....along with a life of having to hide who he is. I think that is something worth noting and it can serve as a good story that can inspire other kids. His kissing his boyfriend is not newsworthy as far as I'm cocerned.
Agree. That was just media exploiting a moment in an attempt to get ratings...much like all of the ballyhoo over Alabama QB AJ McCarron & his Miss Alabama girlfriend a year ago.
I was watching Total Access on the NFL Network last night and they did a piece on Michael Sam - what he's overcome, interviews with friends and teammates from high school and college, etc. There were 3 quotes that stood out to me (these may not be 100% word-for-word, but basically what was said):
From his HS football coach: "There is nothing that Michael Sam has that he has not had to earn."
From Michael Sam's media interview at the NFL Combine: "I hope one day you'll call me Michael Sam the football player - not Michael Sam the gay football player."
And my personal favorite (I think this goes for the media as well)...
From a Mizzou teammate (when asking if Michael Sam will be accepted by the NFL): "If a bunch of 19-22-yr-old kids can handle the news with acceptance and maturity - I would expect grown men who are being paid millions of dollars to be able to do the same." |
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Location: SE Louisiana | ghost rider - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 12:00 PM I would say that being a consensus All-American and SEC defensive player of the year is pretty impressive. I also think that the obstacles he has had to oversome is pretty amazing, and noteworthy. The kid experienced abandonment, murder of two of his siblings, the imprisonment of two others, homelessness....along with a life of having to hide who he is. I think that is something worth noting and it can serve as a good story that can inspire other kids. His kissing his boyfriend is not newsworthy as far as I'm cocerned.
Agree. That was just media exploiting a moment in an attempt to get ratings...much like all of the ballyhoo over Alabama QB AJ McCarron & his Miss Alabama girlfriend a year ago.
I was watching Total Access on the NFL Network last night and they did a piece on Michael Sam - what he's overcome, interviews with friends and teammates from high school and college, etc. There were 3 quotes that stood out to me (these may not be 100% word-for-word, but basically what was said):
From his HS football coach: "There is nothing that Michael Sam has that he has not had to earn."
From Michael Sam's media interview at the NFL Combine: "I hope one day you'll call me Michael Sam the football player - not Michael Sam the gay football player."
And my personal favorite (I think this goes for the media as well)...
From a Mizzou teammate (when asking if Michael Sam will be accepted by the NFL): "If a bunch of 19-22-yr-old kids can handle the news with acceptance and maturity - I would expect grown men who are being paid millions of dollars to be able to do the same."
Wait!! How is this different from kissing your boyfriend-husband in public?? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | luckyjo - 2014-05-12 6:39 PM
Maybe he's straight and just wanted to have the showers to himself.
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Location: SE Louisiana | fatchance - 2014-05-12 7:13 PM
Komet....funny you mention kissing in public.(besides our wedding picture) My husband and I never kissed while he was serving...hugged yes. It was a professional decision.
Never felt anyone needed to witness what was ours anyway.
FC.. I can remember my folks (very reclusive.. out of the depression) kissing in public... I'm just happy MY state gave birth to something that is long overdue... |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | fatchance - 2014-05-11 12:06 PM So Michael Sam get's drafted in the 7th round, that's deemed "news" because he is gay, media is there to watch him kiss his boyfriend, it makes national news, backlash against those who say anything negative about it and or fined. Whatever happened to being allowed your opinion?
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Haulin@$$ - 2014-05-11 2:14 PM TrailGirl - 2014-05-12 11:20 AM I hear ya.
Right now in Arkansas they are seeking (and being successful) in overturning a law that was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by the people of the state to ban recognition of Same Sex Marriages. A small vocal activist minority is suing to overturn the wishes of the majority. I have a problem with that. Itf the voters speak...it should stand. If they want to change it...take another vote. It could be any issue...not just this one...and I'd feel the same way. What people do in their bedroom isn't my concern...it's when they push their agenda on everyone else with zero tolerance of other opinions that I take issue.
The wishes of the people mean nothing to this government...but we already knew that. So what you are saying is that the will of the majority should trump the rights of the minority? There are reasons we have constitutional rights....one of them being to protect individual (minority ) from this thinking. What if the majority voted to ban interracial marriage, would that be ok? If certain states (majority ) think black people shouldn't be allowed to vote is that ok? I am as conservative as they come, and while I don't necessarily agree with gay marriage, I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, the rights of gay people to marry can even be questioned. Marriage is not strictly a religious institution. In our society marriage also carries with it tax, inheritance, and a slew of other implications.....all of which are essentially being denied to gay individuals who are not allowed to marry (in certain states ). While I agree that the will of the majority should decide most issues, rights afforded to individuals is not one of them.
Agree.....my only issues is now those that disagree with the lifestyle are being punished......from incidents like this.....to the Duck Dynasty, Chick fli a, HGTV recently canning a program due to the brothers Christians principles.........etc........ |
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Location: Oklahoma | When I was Active Duty AF, we could be reprimanded for PDA (Public Displays of Affection). Even holding hands was considered PDA when in uniform. Both my husband and I are very conservative in public, most likely from our military careers. I get bothered by any overt PDA, but I will not condemn anyone for it - not my position to do so.
"The kiss" looked to be an emotional reaction to the phone call, but Sams did have the option of excusing the media from his home.
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | I find it ironic that one player gets praise and reorganization for kissing his boyfriend on camera but let another player (Tim Tebow) take a knee on the field and praise God for his success and the media hangs him out to dry. My point is, if the media wants these athletes to keep their personal lives and views, just that PERSONAL then lets be equal across the board! So sick and tired of the media shoving what THEY think is morally "right" and "wrong" down our throats.
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kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil!
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
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Location: Midwest | WrapSnap - 2014-05-12 10:09 PM GoGaited - 2014-05-12 4:55 PM kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil!
Well, bless your heart!
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Location: Kansas | The media really likes to blow "gay" stories out of proportion. Sheperd Smith from FOX has outted himself. Once the liberal media got hold of it suddenly the story is FOX changed Shep's schedule from primetime evening to afternoon because this embarrassed them. Come on liberal media, you can do better than that.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2014-05-13 8:11 AM The media really likes to blow "gay" stories out of proportion. Sheperd Smith from FOX has outted himself. Once the liberal media got hold of it suddenly the story is FOX changed Shep's schedule from primetime evening to afternoon because this embarrassed them. Come on liberal media, you can do better than that.
That's interesting. I would have never guessed that Shep is gay. So he came out.....good for him. I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to have to act like you are someone you aren't, especially when you are always in the spotlight. Shep is one of the best in the business, in my opinion, and he has always been very proud of his "Fox family". I hope they have treated him well and nothing else changes, apart from his happiness and the weight of the world off his shoulders. I doubt the quality of his work will change a great deal, except it might get just a bit better.
What I have always liked about Shep is that I believe he has said he was a Democrat, but you would be hard pressed to see any liberal bias in his work. He seems like one of those "old school" journalists who has a pretty strict code of journalistic ethics.....like we used to see 40-50 years ago. Back in the 60s you would have a hard time guessing Cronkite was liberal, for instance. |
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| aggiejudger - 2014-05-12 1:57 PM.......Also, his size and speed hurts him. He's not big enough to play his college position in the NFL and not fast enough to really be moved elsewhere. And if I had paid better attention, I could have told you which positions. I don't think his sexuality helped him in the draft, but I don't believe it really hurt him either.
...... That's right. It's what the pro's refer to as a "tweener".
Michael Sam wasn't the only tweener to go lower than projected. Jackson Jeffcoat was also projected as to go as high as the 3rd round but went undrafted because of it.
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Location: South Dakota | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-13 11:09 AM Frodo - 2014-05-13 8:11 AM The media really likes to blow "gay" stories out of proportion. Sheperd Smith from FOX has outted himself. Once the liberal media got hold of it suddenly the story is FOX changed Shep's schedule from primetime evening to afternoon because this embarrassed them. Come on liberal media, you can do better than that.
That's interesting. I would have never guessed that Shep is gay. So he came out.....good for him. I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to have to act like you are someone you aren't, especially when you are always in the spotlight. Shep is one of the best in the business, in my opinion, and he has always been very proud of his "Fox family". I hope they have treated him well and nothing else changes, apart from his happiness and the weight of the world off his shoulders. I doubt the quality of his work will change a great deal, except it might get just a bit better.
What I have always liked about Shep is that I believe he has said he was a Democrat, but you would be hard pressed to see any liberal bias in his work. He seems like one of those "old school" journalists who has a pretty strict code of journalistic ethics.....like we used to see 40-50 years ago. Back in the 60s you would have a hard time guessing Cronkite was liberal, for instance.
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-13 11:09 AM
Frodo - 2014-05-13 8:11 AM The media really likes to blow "gay" stories out of proportion. Sheperd Smith from FOX has outted himself. Once the liberal media got hold of it suddenly the story is FOX changed Shep's schedule from primetime evening to afternoon because this embarrassed them. Come on liberal media, you can do better than that.
That's interesting. I would have never guessed that Shep is gay. So he came out.....good for him. I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to have to act like you are someone you aren't, especially when you are always in the spotlight. Shep is one of the best in the business, in my opinion, and he has always been very proud of his "Fox family". I hope they have treated him well and nothing else changes, apart from his happiness and the weight of the world off his shoulders. I doubt the quality of his work will change a great deal, except it might get just a bit better.
What I have always liked about Shep is that I believe he has said he was a Democrat, but you would be hard pressed to see any liberal bias in his work. He seems like one of those "old school" journalists who has a pretty strict code of journalistic ethics.....like we used to see 40-50 years ago. Back in the 60s you would have a hard time guessing Cronkite was liberal, for instance.
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| TXBO - 2014-05-13 12:10 PM aggiejudger - 2014-05-12 1:57 PM.......Also, his size and speed hurts him. He's not big enough to play his college position in the NFL and not fast enough to really be moved elsewhere. And if I had paid better attention, I could have told you which positions. I don't think his sexuality helped him in the draft, but I don't believe it really hurt him either.
...... That's right. It's what the pro's refer to as a "tweener".
Michael Sam wasn't the only tweener to go undrafted, Jackson Jeffcoat was also projected as to go as high as the 3rd round but went undrafted because of it.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | GoGaited - 2014-05-13 6:27 PM 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-13 7:43 AM WrapSnap - 2014-05-12 10:09 PM GoGaited - 2014-05-12 4:55 PM kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil!
Well, bless your heart!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | GoGaited - 2014-05-13 5:27 PM 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
Nobody is "forcing" you to celebrate any perversion. In fact, nobody is forcing you to "tolerate" anything, for that matter. Only you can decide that. If gay people are "in your face" it's because you are being goaded into reacting with so much vitriol. That just fans the flames. I don't feel threatened by the gay lifestyle at all. I have enough sins of my own to worry about before I take up the mantle of social responsibility and start passing judgement on others whose private acts pose no threat whatsoever to me or anyone else. If I want to look for sins, it behooves me to start by looking in the mirror first. Try it sometime. |
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3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
*Lick* Yup, just as I thought.....Bitter! On a serious note, I pray that one day you find peace from the demons that are causing you to be so miserable and hate filled. Oh and that has nothing to do with the fact that you find us homosexuals revolting. I simply cannot fathom how anyone can carry around such anger as to be able to express any opinion with such venom. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | GoGaited - 2014-05-13 3:27 PM
3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
I don't really like your use of the words "flaming homosexual" but I found a SpongeBob picture that makes it a bit funnier AND it has a rainbow (hehehe)
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Location: Midwest | GoGaited - 2014-05-13 5:27 PM 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
I'm pretty sure the bible defines Christian attitude. In several places. It was kind of one of Christ's most important messages......
John 13:34 (Read all of John 13)A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.John 13:35 (Read all of John 13)By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.John 15:12 (Read all of John 15)This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.John 15:17 (Read all of John 15)These things I command you, that ye love one another.Romans 12:10 (Read all of Romans 12)Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; Romans 13:8 (Read all of Romans 13)Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Galatians 5:13 (Read all of Galatians 5)For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. Ephesians 4:2 (Read all of Ephesians 4)With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 1 Thessalonians 3:12 (Read all of 1 Thessalonians 3)And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 1 Thessalonians 4:9 (Read all of 1 Thessalonians 4)But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. Hebrews 10:24 (Read all of Hebrews 10)And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 1 Peter 1:22 (Read all of 1 Peter 1)Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 1 Peter 3:8 (Read all of 1 Peter 3)Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 1 John 3:11 (Read all of 1 John 3)For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 1 John 3:23 (Read all of 1 John 3)And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 4:7 (Read all of 1 John 4)Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 1 John 4:11 (Read all of 1 John 4)Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 4:12 (Read all of 1 John 4)No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 2 John 1:5 (Read all of 2 John 1)And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
And I'm not really sure how gay people are in your face "24/7".... I mean is the only channel you get on TV Logo????
And Camps? Really???
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | LOL Alison!
Whatsamatter wit you? You don't like camping? I like camping. |
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 10:19 AM LOL Alison!
Whatsamatter wit you? You don't like camping? I like camping.
I do like camping, though the last time I went, I cut my thumb in half with a hammer hatchet.
It was however, a memorable way to spend my first wedding aniversary (in the OR) hahahaha |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 8:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad.
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 10:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad.
Nice! Make sure you hit up Water Tower Place and eat at the Original Cheesecake Factory- you'd have to cab it.
Grand Lux is also pretty close, and delic! If you are into fondue, make sure you eat at the Melting Pot....House of Blues is cool to catch a quick show... lots to due in that area! Have a great time!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | brlraceaddict - 2014-05-14 10:55 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 8:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad. Hotbear - I am a bit disappointed - no Chicago style pizza is on that list!
Oh for sure! Are you crazy? It would be sacrelege to stay in Chicago and hot have one of those. That plus a great Chicago style hotdog! Where is TxBO when I need him?! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-14 10:57 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 10:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad. Nice! Make sure you hit up Water Tower Place and eat at the Original Cheesecake Factory- you'd have to cab it.
Grand Lux is also pretty close, and delic! If you are into fondue, make sure you eat at the Melting Pot....House of Blues is cool to catch a quick show... lots to due in that area! Have a great time!
And whatever you do, eat at Lou Malnati's and get some deep dish pizza.... its amazing
Oh boy! My buddies are going to be impressed when I start to rattle off the names of these places. Thanks, Alison. |
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Location: Midwest | No prob! Hope you all have fun. There is a lot to do in the city and the Wrigley area has an awesome nightlife.... just remember.... 5AM bars never lead to good decisions  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 11:00 AM brlraceaddict - 2014-05-14 10:55 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 8:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad. Hotbear - I am a bit disappointed - no Chicago style pizza is on that list!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-05-14 11:12 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 11:00 AM brlraceaddict - 2014-05-14 10:55 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 8:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad. Hotbear - I am a bit disappointed - no Chicago style pizza is on that list!
I'm sure they will have a wide selection of salads, and plants, and weeds, and seeds, and nuts and sh!t like that, NTO. She eats like a bird anyway. If they have chicken she might eat that. Chicks love chicken and yogurt and plants and green tea. |
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 11:21 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-05-14 11:12 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 11:00 AM brlraceaddict - 2014-05-14 10:55 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 8:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad. Hotbear - I am a bit disappointed - no Chicago style pizza is on that list!
OOOOOOOooh go to the Wiener Circle.
Do itttttttttttttttttt
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | That sounds perfect, Alison! So let me get this straight..... we go from talking about Micheal Sam to winding the thread down on a positive note with a suggestion that I take my girlfriend to eat cheesy fries at the Weiner Circle.
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Location: Midwest | Ha, well I think enough of us have ADD for that to happen on a regular basis here...
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Location: Oklahoma | I don't think it should be as big of news as it is...for the simple fact that he's a good player, but like said before, his stats weren't that outstanding. I think it is a big issue, because the majority of people feel that it is hard to be openly gay in the professional world (and not just the professional sports world). Because of that, when you see someone overcome that, its a big deal to them. More power to them.
Personally, I came out in college...my rodeo team could give a crap less if i was dating another girl. All they cared about was winning ;) lol.
I've been openly gay forever....I don't walk around work introducing myself "Hi I'm Sergeant Sullivan and I'm a lesbian." Who cares? Its my life, not yours. lol. If people figure it out  good for them. I will never 'shove it' in someone's face. But you better believe I am an opinionated woman, and if you start trying to hold be back or treat me differently because of my sexuality, I'll be all up on that. In the professional world, be it sports, work, barrel racing, whatever,....no one should be treated any differently because of sexuality, race, religion, so on and so forth. No ones going to force you to be friends with them, but you should be able to manage to be a decent human being and interact and work with them well on a professional level.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | osu_barrelracer - 2014-05-14 12:53 PM
I don't think it should be as big of news as it is...for the simple fact that he's a good player, but like said before, his stats weren't that outstanding. I think it is a big issue, because the majority of people feel that it is hard to be openly gay in the professional world (and not just the professional sports world ). Because of that, when you see someone overcome that, its a big deal to them. More power to them.
Personally, I came out in college...my rodeo team could give a crap less if i was dating another girl. All they cared about was winning ; ) lol.
I've been openly gay forever....I don't walk around work introducing myself "Hi I'm Sergeant Sullivan and I'm a lesbian." Who cares? Its my life, not yours. lol. If people figure it out good for them. I will never 'shove it' in someone's face. But you better believe I am an opinionated woman, and if you start trying to hold be back or treat me differently because of my sexuality, I'll be all up on that. In the professional world, be it sports, work, barrel racing, whatever,....no one should be treated any differently because of sexuality, race, religion, so on and so forth. No ones going to force you to be friends with them, but you should be able to manage to be a decent human being and interact and work with them well on a professional level.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 9:27 AM Personally, I couldn't care less about his sexual orientation. The media is turning it into their own tawdry circus. It sounds like he is a good player. The rest is just a tempest in a teapot, as far as I'm concerned. I hope he makes it, but not because he is gay, rather, because he turns out to be good on the field. I hope he sets a good example as a good man who does good things off the field, as opposed to some of the spoiled brats we've grown accustomed to seeing in recent years. It sounds like the kid has had to overcome more obstacles than just hiding his sexuality when he was growing up. He was raised by his mother, as his father basically ran off shortly after he was born. Of his 5 brothers, one died in infancy, one disappeared, one was shot right in front of Micheal, and two are in prison. For some time as a kid he lived in a car with his mother. I don't have a clue what kind of person he is, but I hope he proves to be good enough to make it and that he is a good, productive citizen who gives something back. If he does all that, given his experiences growing up, that would really be something to admire.
See why doesn't the media focus the other things of what makes him a good pick? I'd rather hear that story as far as coming from a hard life rather than hearing about him being gay and kissing his boyfriend. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | osu_barrelracer - 2014-05-14 12:53 PM
I don't think it should be as big of news as it is...for the simple fact that he's a good player, but like said before, his stats weren't that outstanding. I think it is a big issue, because the majority of people feel that it is hard to be openly gay in the professional world (and not just the professional sports world ). Because of that, when you see someone overcome that, its a big deal to them. More power to them.
Personally, I came out in college...my rodeo team could give a crap less if i was dating another girl. All they cared about was winning ; ) lol.
I've been openly gay forever....I don't walk around work introducing myself "Hi I'm Sergeant Sullivan and I'm a lesbian." Who cares? Its my life, not yours. lol. If people figure it out good for them. I will never 'shove it' in someone's face. But you better believe I am an opinionated woman, and if you start trying to hold be back or treat me differently because of my sexuality, I'll be all up on that. In the professional world, be it sports, work, barrel racing, whatever,....no one should be treated any differently because of sexuality, race, religion, so on and so forth. No ones going to force you to be friends with them, but you should be able to manage to be a decent human being and interact and work with them well on a professional level.
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Location: Midwest | GWR - 2014-05-14 2:06 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 9:27 AM Personally, I couldn't care less about his sexual orientation. The media is turning it into their own tawdry circus. It sounds like he is a good player. The rest is just a tempest in a teapot, as far as I'm concerned. I hope he makes it, but not because he is gay, rather, because he turns out to be good on the field. I hope he sets a good example as a good man who does good things off the field, as opposed to some of the spoiled brats we've grown accustomed to seeing in recent years. It sounds like the kid has had to overcome more obstacles than just hiding his sexuality when he was growing up. He was raised by his mother, as his father basically ran off shortly after he was born. Of his 5 brothers, one died in infancy, one disappeared, one was shot right in front of Micheal, and two are in prison. For some time as a kid he lived in a car with his mother. I don't have a clue what kind of person he is, but I hope he proves to be good enough to make it and that he is a good, productive citizen who gives something back. If he does all that, given his experiences growing up, that would really be something to admire. See why doesn't the media focus the other things of what makes him a good pick? I'd rather hear that story as far as coming from a hard life rather than hearing about him being gay and kissing his boyfriend.
Because focusing on his sexuality has more people watching...hence they get more money for the advertising time the networks sell. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 11:21 AM Nevertooold - 2014-05-14 11:12 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 11:00 AM brlraceaddict - 2014-05-14 10:55 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 8:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad. Hotbear - I am a bit disappointed - no Chicago style pizza is on that list!
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Also can I just say that it's nice to see so many people on this board practicing tolerance. I've been here since 2009 and never said anything about my sexuality until a couple of months ago on a different thread - partially because it never came up (and I didn't have a real girlfriend until recently), but also because it doesn't take much to see that a vast majority of this board are faithful Christians. Even though Christians are suppose to practice love thy neighbor and all of that, for whatever reason there are a LOT who are more like "love thy neighbor - unless they're gay" and it made it intimidating for me because I didn't know if it was something I needed to keep a secret or not.
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Location: NM...the Land of Manana | livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-14 1:23 PM Also can I just say that it's nice to see so many people on this board practicing tolerance. I've been here since 2009 and never said anything about my sexuality until a couple of months ago on a different thread - partially because it never came up (and I didn't have a real girlfriend until recently), but also because it doesn't take much to see that a vast majority of this board are faithful Christians. Even though Christians are suppose to practice love thy neighbor and all of that, for whatever reason there are a LOT who are more like "love thy neighbor - unless they're gay" and it made it intimidating for me because I didn't know if it was something I needed to keep a secret or not. I know that homosexuality goes against most of your guys' beliefs. Thank you for not being cruel about it though.
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | I still remember the first time I encountered this situation when I was in college. A friend of mine and I would drive back home together since it was a 6 hour drive...one day she told me she was gay and what I thought, it took me a minute but I told her what difference does it make to me, I liked her because she was my friend not because of her sexual orientation. We also had a discussion that life would be a lot easier if more people would keep what goes on in their bedroom to themselves. But of course that is just my opinion. |
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Location: Oklahoma | nmeastplains - 2014-05-14 3:01 PM I still remember the first time I encountered this situation when I was in college. A friend of mine and I would drive back home together since it was a 6 hour drive...one day she told me she was gay and what I thought, it took me a minute but I told her what difference does it make to me, I liked her because she was my friend not because of her sexual orientation. We also had a discussion that life would be a lot easier if more people would keep what goes on in their bedroom to themselves. But of course that is just my opinion.
I agree with you, to a point. Yes you should keep things in the bedroom to the extent that no one should be running around flaunting your 'bedroom' activities....BUT, I also don't think that someone's opinion that its weird, or gross, or unnatural, should have anything to do with my rights. At that point, I will argue with someone that I'm not going to 'keep quite' about my life. Look at me as a normal person (I swear I'm pretty close to normal  ), and give me the same basic rights to get married, have the same govt rights and guarantees as a couple, get divorced, and do it all over again (like everyone else can), and I guarantee you, unless your a close friend, you wouldn't even know I was gay ;) |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | osu_barrelracer - 2014-05-14 2:24 PM nmeastplains - 2014-05-14 3:01 PM I still remember the first time I encountered this situation when I was in college. A friend of mine and I would drive back home together since it was a 6 hour drive...one day she told me she was gay and what I thought, it took me a minute but I told her what difference does it make to me, I liked her because she was my friend not because of her sexual orientation. We also had a discussion that life would be a lot easier if more people would keep what goes on in their bedroom to themselves. But of course that is just my opinion. I agree with you, to a point. Yes you should keep things in the bedroom to the extent that no one should be running around flaunting your 'bedroom' activities....BUT, I also don't think that someone's opinion that its weird, or gross, or unnatural, should have anything to do with my rights. At that point, I will argue with someone that I'm not going to 'keep quite' about my life. Look at me as a normal person (I swear I'm pretty close to normal ), and give me the same basic rights to get married, have the same govt rights and guarantees as a couple, get divorced, and do it all over again (like everyone else can ), and I guarantee you, unless your a close friend, you wouldn't even know I was gay ; )
I think I am just really bad at saying what I mean....a persons sexual preference will not ever be the reason I am or not friends with a person. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 11:00 AM brlraceaddict - 2014-05-14 10:55 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-14 8:44 AM We're going camping at the Conrad Hotel in Chicago in June for a couple days. That's my idea of fun camping. A great Chicago restaurant, meeting some old buddies, a Cubs game at Wrigley....and camping at the Conrad. Hotbear - I am a bit disappointed - no Chicago style pizza is on that list!
Sorry Bear, I've been busy with work.
You,ve got some great suggestions already but here would be my list for a baseball trip to Chicago:
1) Carson's Ribs - old hangout of Harry Carey and pretty good ribs.
2) Cape Cod Room at Drake Hotel. Been there since the 1930's and still has the original wooden bar. That bar now has 1,000's of signatures dating back to the '30's including Joe Dimaggio, Marilyn Monroe and several presidents.
3) House of Blue's is absolutely the place for Blues in Chicago.
4) Hot dogs. Other than Wrigley, the street vendors in Chicago have the best freaking dog in the world.
5) Hotel. I always stay at the Drake. It's not quite as modern as some of the others but there's a lot of history there. It's sentimental to me though because my Dad stayed there. I like to go down to the bar and serch for his name on the bar.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Thanks, Jim! It looks like we need to stay for a week with all these great suggestions. Good thing it's a month away because I'm going to need to go on a huge fast and starve myself for about 10 days......kinda like.....a bear! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | .....one more question, TxBO. Any suggestions for chick food? You know....places where they specialize in salads and plants and nuts? |
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Location: Midwest | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-15 10:32 AM .....one more question, TxBO. Any suggestions for chick food? You know....places where they specialize in salads and plants and nuts?
The Girl and The Goat.... reservations are pretty far out though. Place is super hot right now. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 10:38 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-15 10:32 AM .....one more question, TxBO. Any suggestions for chick food? You know....places where they specialize in salads and plants and nuts? The Girl and The Goat.... reservations are pretty far out though. Place is super hot right now.
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2014-05-15 10:42 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 10:38 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-15 10:32 AM .....one more question, TxBO. Any suggestions for chick food? You know....places where they specialize in salads and plants and nuts? The Girl and The Goat.... reservations are pretty far out though. Place is super hot right now.
Me too actually, but my coworkers raved about this place. LOL
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Location: Midwest | Frontier was also interesting if you'd like some semi-exotic meats. It's like a bar/grill casual type place. |
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Location: North Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-14 8:31 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 5:27 PM 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades. I'm pretty sure the bible defines Christian attitude. In several places. It was kind of one of Christ's most important messages......
John 13:34 (Read all of John 13)
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.John 13:35 (Read all of John 13)
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.John 15:12 (Read all of John 15)
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.John 15:17 (Read all of John 15)
These things I command you, that ye love one another.Romans 12:10 (Read all of Romans 12)
Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; Romans 13:8 (Read all of Romans 13)
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Galatians 5:13 (Read all of Galatians 5)
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. Ephesians 4:2 (Read all of Ephesians 4)
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 1 Thessalonians 3:12 (Read all of 1 Thessalonians 3)
And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: 1 Thessalonians 4:9 (Read all of 1 Thessalonians 4)
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. Hebrews 10:24 (Read all of Hebrews 10)
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 1 Peter 1:22 (Read all of 1 Peter 1)
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 1 Peter 3:8 (Read all of 1 Peter 3)
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 1 John 3:11 (Read all of 1 John 3)
For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 1 John 3:23 (Read all of 1 John 3)
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 4:7 (Read all of 1 John 4)
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 1 John 4:11 (Read all of 1 John 4)
Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 1 John 4:12 (Read all of 1 John 4)
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 2 John 1:5 (Read all of 2 John 1)
And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
And I'm not really sure how gay people are in your face "24/7".... I mean is the only channel you get on TV Logo????
And Camps? Really???
Okay, You are quoting Jesus' Biblical Christian Attitudes. I am not disputing anything that you have posted in this quote.
Now, since You are quoting from The Holy Bible, I would challenge You to reference from either The Old Testament or New Testament where God, Jesus, or The Holy Ghost condone or accept the idea, or act of homosexuality or its behavior. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 10:45 AM Frontier was also interesting if you'd like some semi-exotic meats. It's like a bar/grill casual type place.
Where is that? Close to the financial district? Sounds interesting. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-15 8:32 AM .....one more question, TxBO. Any suggestions for chick food? You know....places where they specialize in salads and plants and nuts?
Hotbear - I have faith you will be able to turn your lady onto FOOD - Chicago style pizza, hot dogs, and BEER! That is MY kind of "chick food." Hehe! |
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2014-05-15 10:49 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 10:45 AM Frontier was also interesting if you'd like some semi-exotic meats. It's like a bar/grill casual type place. Where is that? Close to the financial district? Sounds interesting.
It's on N Millwaukee
http://www.gdine.com/restaurant/restaurant_profile/frontier |
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Location: North Texas | livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 5:19 PM GoGaited - 2014-05-12 2:55 PM kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil!
There's a way to state your opinion without coming across as an intolerant jerkwad.
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Location: North Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-12 9:10 PM Chick Fil a and The Duck Dynasty show made a mint from those "scandals"
And there is a problem with Capitialism? Micheal Sams is capitializing on His Status as well with help from the media.
However, the Media is acting Hypocritically in this scenario, because of their of Their (The Media's) ill/sorry treatment of Tim Tebo.
How will the Media react should Micheal Sams' play be as insufficent as Tim Tebow's?
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Location: North Texas | Rolling J - 2014-05-12 9:32 PM I find it ironic that one player gets praise and reorganization for kissing his boyfriend on camera but let another player (Tim Tebow) take a knee on the field and praise God for his success and the media hangs him out to dry. My point is, if the media wants these athletes to keep their personal lives and views, just that PERSONAL then lets be equal across the board! So sick and tired of the media shoving what THEY think is morally "right" and "wrong" down our throats.
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Location: Midwest | "Okay, You are quoting Jesus' Biblical Christian Attitudes. I am not disputing anything that you have posted in this quote.
Now, since You are quoting from The Holy Bible, I would challenge You to reference from either The Old Testament or New Testament where God, Jesus, or The Holy Ghost condone or accept the idea, or act of homosexuality or its behavior."
I'm not saying someone has to (or that the various Christian faiths) condone or believe something is morally "okay".
However, Jesus said to love one another. That's the "Christ" part of the Christian attitude. While I may not be a practicing Catholic, I did spend years in Catholic school learning about the religion, and that is by far the most important message Jesus told his followers: to love God and others. He himself reached out to those considered sinners, and I would think most people who consider themselves Christians would try to do the same (the whole WWJD thing...). Jesus himself never even mentioned homosexuality. (You'd think if it were super important, it would have come up? JMO)
Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV) 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ [a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘ Love your neighbor as yourself.’ [b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
In other words, don't treat people like crap. I don't like it when folks are treated like crap on this board (or anywhere really) because someone feels their religion gives them a free pass to do so. There is a way to say "I morally do not agree with this" without being hateful- which BTW, is I think what Jesus would have wanted people to do....based on what I've read anyway. Especially since any gay person is not hurting anyone- two consenting adults.
Don't take my word for it though- after all I am a heathen agnostic scientist (that is a joke lol)
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-05-13 2:10 PM aggiejudger - 2014-05-12 1:57 PM.......Also, his size and speed hurts him. He's not big enough to play his college position in the NFL and not fast enough to really be moved elsewhere. And if I had paid better attention, I could have told you which positions. I don't think his sexuality helped him in the draft, but I don't believe it really hurt him either.
...... That's right. It's what the pro's refer to as a "tweener".
Michael Sam wasn't the only tweener to go lower than projected. Jackson Jeffcoat was also projected as to go as high as the 3rd round but went undrafted because of it.
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Location: Midwest | foundation horse - 2014-05-15 11:10 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-12 9:10 PM Chick Fil a and The Duck Dynasty show made a mint from those "scandals" And there is a problem with Capitialism? Micheal Sams is capitializing on His Status as well with help from the media.
However, the Media is acting Hypocritically in this scenario, because of their of Their (The Media's ) ill/sorry treatment of Tim Tebo.
How will the Media react should Micheal Sams' play be as insufficent as Tim Tebow's?
Never said that- Good for them in my opinion! LOL
Honestly, I don't follow football and have no idea who teebow is (sorry guys). but if he was persecuted in some way for praying, that's not right either. |
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Location: North Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-14 2:07 PM GWR - 2014-05-14 2:06 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 9:27 AM Personally, I couldn't care less about his sexual orientation. The media is turning it into their own tawdry circus. It sounds like he is a good player. The rest is just a tempest in a teapot, as far as I'm concerned. I hope he makes it, but not because he is gay, rather, because he turns out to be good on the field. I hope he sets a good example as a good man who does good things off the field, as opposed to some of the spoiled brats we've grown accustomed to seeing in recent years. It sounds like the kid has had to overcome more obstacles than just hiding his sexuality when he was growing up. He was raised by his mother, as his father basically ran off shortly after he was born. Of his 5 brothers, one died in infancy, one disappeared, one was shot right in front of Micheal, and two are in prison. For some time as a kid he lived in a car with his mother. I don't have a clue what kind of person he is, but I hope he proves to be good enough to make it and that he is a good, productive citizen who gives something back. If he does all that, given his experiences growing up, that would really be something to admire. See why doesn't the media focus the other things of what makes him a good pick? I'd rather hear that story as far as coming from a hard life rather than hearing about him being gay and kissing his boyfriend.
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Location: Midwest | foundation horse - 2014-05-15 11:17 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-14 2:07 PM GWR - 2014-05-14 2:06 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 9:27 AM Personally, I couldn't care less about his sexual orientation. The media is turning it into their own tawdry circus. It sounds like he is a good player. The rest is just a tempest in a teapot, as far as I'm concerned. I hope he makes it, but not because he is gay, rather, because he turns out to be good on the field. I hope he sets a good example as a good man who does good things off the field, as opposed to some of the spoiled brats we've grown accustomed to seeing in recent years. It sounds like the kid has had to overcome more obstacles than just hiding his sexuality when he was growing up. He was raised by his mother, as his father basically ran off shortly after he was born. Of his 5 brothers, one died in infancy, one disappeared, one was shot right in front of Micheal, and two are in prison. For some time as a kid he lived in a car with his mother. I don't have a clue what kind of person he is, but I hope he proves to be good enough to make it and that he is a good, productive citizen who gives something back. If he does all that, given his experiences growing up, that would really be something to admire. See why doesn't the media focus the other things of what makes him a good pick? I'd rather hear that story as far as coming from a hard life rather than hearing about him being gay and kissing his boyfriend. Which in and of itself is a form of Captialism.
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2014-05-15 11:02 AM Thank a million. I'll give it a try.
No problem! I had the pulled boar, my friend had the rabbit meat loaf. Both were pretty good! Lots of indoor and outdoor seating- more like a bar atmosphere but the menu was pretty cool. I'd go back. |
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Location: North Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 11:12 AM "Okay, You are quoting Jesus' Biblical Christian Attitudes. I am not disputing anything that you have posted in this quote.
Now, since You are quoting from The Holy Bible, I would challenge You to reference from either The Old Testament or New Testament where God, Jesus, or The Holy Ghost condone or accept the idea, or act of homosexuality or its behavior."
I'm not saying someone has to (or that the various Christian faiths) condone or believe something is morally "okay".
However, Jesus said to love one another. That's the "Christ" part of the Christian attitude. While I may not be a practicing Catholic, I did spend years in Catholic school learning about the religion, and that is by far the most important message Jesus told his followers: to love God and others. He himself reached out to those considered sinners, and I would think most people who consider themselves Christians would try to do the same (the whole WWJD thing...). Jesus himself never even mentioned homosexuality. (You'd think if it were super important, it would have come up? JMO)
Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ [a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘ Love your neighbor as yourself.’ [b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
In other words, don't treat people like crap. I don't like it when folks are treated like crap on this board (or anywhere really) because someone feels their religion gives them a free pass to do so. There is a way to say "I morally do not agree with this" without being hateful- which BTW, is I think what Jesus would have wanted people to do....based on what I've read anyway. Especially since any gay person is not hurting anyone- two consenting adults.
Don't take my word for it though- after all I am a heathen agnostic scientist (that is a joke lol)
Personally, I just like to see people treat one another with respect- on this board, and in real life as well.
Are you forgetting the events in which Jesus spoke of Marriage being between a Man and a Woman. Which is the antithesis of homosexuality? And what did Jesus say about even looking at someone in a lustful manner?
I just wanted to remind you about what Jesus taught about in regards to the initimate relationships between men and women.
However, I do have to agree with you on Jesus' Teachings in regards to Courtesy in Relationships. Any type of relationship.
There is only One Historical Event that records Jesus as being Angry and that was when Jesus removed The Money Changers from The Temple. Jesus and albeit God does not accept or tolerate Disrespect to God's House of Prayer. And Disrespect can occur in many forms.
In The Old Testament, God chose The Israelites as The Apple of His Eye I.E. HIS PEOPLE and gave them Laws or Ordinances to live by. Not many but some. And for the most part They are simple, straightforward and easy to understand. And one of these was/is the idea or concept of a Man and Woman bonding together and re/pro creating. Also, in The Old Testament is what God's Belief or Point of View is in relation to NOT following this particular Ordinance. In The Book of Genesis is The Tale of Sodom and Gemorrah. And there is archealogical evidence to support that God Destroyed The City of Gemorrah for it widely accepted behavior. God references homosexuality as an Abomination (The Book of Leviticus) in The King James and The New King James Versions of The Holy Bible.
I am confident I will receive a number of 'dislike'(s) in regards to this post. However, I could not hold my tongue any longer in regards to this topic. It is NOT that Christian PEOPLE have a problem with Homosexuality, but it is The FACT that God THE CREATOR does. 'I' am not attempting to pass personal judgement on anyone or anything associated with this thread or topic. I am only reiterating what Our Maker has taught Us from The Beginning of Time. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 11:12 AM "Okay, You are quoting Jesus' Biblical Christian Attitudes. I am not disputing anything that you have posted in this quote.
Now, since You are quoting from The Holy Bible, I would challenge You to reference from either The Old Testament or New Testament where God, Jesus, or The Holy Ghost condone or accept the idea, or act of homosexuality or its behavior."
I'm not saying someone has to (or that the various Christian faiths) condone or believe something is morally "okay".
However, Jesus said to love one another. That's the "Christ" part of the Christian attitude. While I may not be a practicing Catholic, I did spend years in Catholic school learning about the religion, and that is by far the most important message Jesus told his followers: to love God and others. He himself reached out to those considered sinners, and I would think most people who consider themselves Christians would try to do the same (the whole WWJD thing...). Jesus himself never even mentioned homosexuality. (You'd think if it were super important, it would have come up? JMO)
Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ [a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘ Love your neighbor as yourself.’ [b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
In other words, don't treat people like crap. I don't like it when folks are treated like crap on this board (or anywhere really) because someone feels their religion gives them a free pass to do so. There is a way to say "I morally do not agree with this" without being hateful- which BTW, is I think what Jesus would have wanted people to do....based on what I've read anyway. Especially since any gay person is not hurting anyone- two consenting adults.
Don't take my word for it though- after all I am a heathen agnostic scientist (that is a joke lol)
Personally, I just like to see people treat one another with respect- on this board, and in real life as well.
Like many sins, Scripture does not confirm that Jesus ever mentioned homosexuality but Jesus did many times say "as it is written". He considered Mosaic Law as the infalliable word of God. Mosaic Law specifically forbid homosexuality.
While we are on scripture and specifically Jesus' words, here is what he did say about marriage:
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said' For this reason a man will leave his mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together let no one separate." Mathew 19:4-6
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Location: North Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 11:14 AM foundation horse - 2014-05-15 11:10 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-12 9:10 PM Chick Fil a and The Duck Dynasty show made a mint from those "scandals" And there is a problem with Capitialism? Micheal Sams is capitializing on His Status as well with help from the media.
However, the Media is acting Hypocritically in this scenario, because of their of Their (The Media's ) ill/sorry treatment of Tim Tebo.
How will the Media react should Micheal Sams' play be as insufficent as Tim Tebow's?
Never said that- Good for them in my opinion! LOL
Honestly, I don't follow football and have no idea who teebow is (sorry guys ). but if he was persecuted in some way for praying, that's not right either.
Tim Tebow is the Child of Missionary Parents who played College Football for The University of Florida. He is a Strongly Practicing Christian Man who gained negative Media Attention for Praying Publiclly in relationship to Football Games and even Witnessed His Faith via the Bible Verse John 3:16 on His Eyeblack. Lots of Media Attention when He won The Heisman Trophy. He was subsequently drafted into The NFL and played for The N.Y. Jets and then for The Denver Broncos. His NFL Career was a NonStarter Event and He is currently an ESPN Commentator for College Football. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 11:12 AM
Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ [a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘ Love your neighbor as yourself.’ [b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
These are wonderful verses that anchor the entire Gospel. And how does the Bible tell us to fulfill the command to love God?
In Jesus' own words:
"If you love me, keep my commands." John 14:15
2 John 1:6 Is just one of many other examples that confirm the definition of love:
"And this is love, that we walk in obedience to his commands"
So if we ignore Mosaic Law, can we possibly be fullfilling Jesus two greatest commands?
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-05-15 11:58 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 11:12 AM
Matthew 22:36-40
New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ [a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘ Love your neighbor as yourself.’ [b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
In Jesus' own words:
"If you love me, keep my commands." John 14:15
2 John 1:6 Is just one of many other examples that confirm the definition of love:
"And this is love, that we walk in obedience to his commands"
So if we ignore Mosaic Law, can we possibly be fullfilling Jesus two greatest commands?
Thank you for pointing this out and reminding many people (to include Christians) of this. The Old Testament is Mosiac Law and Jesus of The New Testament fulfilled The Prophesies of The Old Testament. Therefore Jesus' very existence indicates that The Old Testament is just as if not more important than The New Testament. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 11:12 AM In other words, don't treat people like crap. I don't like it when folks are treated like crap on this board (or anywhere really) because someone feels their religion gives them a free pass to do so. There is a way to say "I morally do not agree with this" without being hateful- which BTW, is I think what Jesus would have wanted people to do....based on what I've read anyway. Especially since any gay person is not hurting anyone- two consenting adults.
Personally, I just like to see people treat one another with respect- on this board, and in real life as well.
I agree with.
However, it goes both ways. Today if you don't agree with homosexuality you are either a bigot or a homophobe subject to ridicule, boycott and even termination. Why is it that if I disagree with someone I have to hate them of fear them?
America better wake up. Punishment for conscience not action is contrary to natural law that is the root of our Declaration of Independence.
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Location: Midwest | I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition). |
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Location: North Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:14 PM I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition).
Were you 'here' during Will Sawyer's presence on this board? I swear that individual was the most inconsiderate and disrepectful person that I have ever witnessed. |
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Location: Midwest | foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:18 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:14 PM I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition). Were you 'here' during Will Sawyer's presence on this board? I swear that individual was the most inconsiderate and disrepectful person that I have ever witnessed.
I think I saw him post once or twice.... was he the one who would just seek out to goad the Christian members here into arguments all the time?
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Location: North Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:22 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:18 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:14 PM I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition). Were you 'here' during Will Sawyer's presence on this board? I swear that individual was the most inconsiderate and disrepectful person that I have ever witnessed. I think I saw him post once or twice.... was he the one who would just seek out to goad the Christian members here into arguments all the time?
Something about an ex-mormon blog is ringing a bell
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Location: Midwest | foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:27 PM
barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:22 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:18 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:14 PM I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition). Were you 'here' during Will Sawyer's presence on this board? I swear that individual was the most inconsiderate and disrepectful person that I have ever witnessed. I think I saw him post once or twice.... was he the one who would just seek out to goad the Christian members here into arguments all the time?
Something about an ex-mormon blog is ringing a bell
You are on the right track. Just keep going.
I'm not really sure what you are getting at....
He was gay as well I think- something about being an interior designer? Sort of coming back to me now.
If he was the person I am thinking of, he seemed somewhat unhinged and not at all representative of the people I personally know who happen to be gay.... Most people don't spend all their time dogging people for being a certain religion! LOL |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:14 PM I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition). Fair enough. I'm with you on treating all humans with dignity and respect....In Life, not just on this board. Again though, that needs to go both ways. Find me just one thread on this subject where the word bigot or homphobe was used.
BTW, your point could have been equally as strong as a secular discussion without the Bible quotes...unless of course it it was just an oportunity to point out Christian hypocracy. Christians aren't the only group that hold the view.
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Location: North Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:32 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:27 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:22 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:18 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:14 PM I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition). Were you 'here' during Will Sawyer's presence on this board? I swear that individual was the most inconsiderate and disrepectful person that I have ever witnessed. I think I saw him post once or twice.... was he the one who would just seek out to goad the Christian members here into arguments all the time?
Something about an ex-mormon blog is ringing a bell You are on the right track. Just keep going. I'm not really sure what you are getting at.... He was gay as well I think- something about being an interior designer? Sort of coming back to me now. If he was the person I am thinking of, he seemed somewhat unhinged and not at all representative of the people I personally know who happen to be gay.... Most people don't spend all their time dogging people for being a certain religion! LOL
My main point in regards to Will Sawyer has to do with courtesy and respect which Will Sawyer displayed virtually none of. Will Sawyer used the lack of courtesy and respect in an attempt to further his own political agenda. Which in this particular case was/is gay rights.
Will's anger, lack of courtesy and all disrespect garnered him as a looneytune individual. He had no concept of any other's opinion than His own. Tolerance and Diversity only go so far and Will Sawyer made an extreme effort to not just push these limits but to break the limits of tolerance and diversity and therefore shove His Way or No Way down others throats.
Now obivously with Will's extended absence, He was not sucessful in inflicting His Will upon everyone else. And I am not attempting to inflict 'My' Will upon anyone either. I am only pointing age old Teachings. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2014-05-15 12:36 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:14 PM I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition). Fair enough. I'm with you on treating all humans with dignity and respect....In Life, not just on this board. Again though, that needs to go both ways. Find me just one thread on this subject where the word bigot or homphobe was used.
BTW, your point could have been equally as strong as a secular discussion without the Bible quotes...unless of course it it was just an oportunity to point out Christian hypocracy. Christians aren't the only group that hold the view.
In terms of disrespect, I wasn't talking about you specifically, or Christians in general (So I hope you did not take my comments as such- as the only person here who pizzed me off was the one I originally quoted several pages ago). I have seen nothing but respect for others from you on this board in the past.
I used the bible quotes because said poster asked something along the lines of "well who defines 'Christian attitude', anyway?".... so I figured Christ himself would be an adequate answer. ;)
I have nothing against the Church, even though my personal beliefs may not always match up. Sure some Christians can be hypocrites... but so can any other person on this world, regardless of faith. I certainly have never held being a Christian against anyone (as at one time I was definitely a church-goer for many years, and my best friend is a devout Catholic). I also didn't boycott Chick-fil-a either (hahaha).... Actually I just like having intelligent discussion with folks such as you who may have different views. I find it enlightening.
(Politically I would say I'm libertarian, in case anyone reading this is assuming I am a left winger. lol) |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:45 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:32 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:27 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:22 PM foundation horse - 2014-05-15 12:18 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:14 PM I don't know all the answers to such religious-doctrine-type questions. Like I said, I just personally think that people should be treated with respect, especially when they are showing respect to the beliefs of others. I think the world would be a better place if we all focused more on our own "sins", if you will, instead of of spreading hatred towards others. The whole "treat others as you wish to be treated" deal.
I'm not claiming to be a religious scholar (in any sense of the word lol).... or heck, even a religious person at all. I'm not telling you all what to believe either. Really, the only reason I responded at all on this thread was because I saw a poster who was posting in a way that was extremely disrespectful to other members here, and that is not right (and probably also against the rules of this forum in addition). Were you 'here' during Will Sawyer's presence on this board? I swear that individual was the most inconsiderate and disrepectful person that I have ever witnessed. I think I saw him post once or twice.... was he the one who would just seek out to goad the Christian members here into arguments all the time?
Something about an ex-mormon blog is ringing a bell You are on the right track. Just keep going. I'm not really sure what you are getting at.... He was gay as well I think- something about being an interior designer? Sort of coming back to me now. If he was the person I am thinking of, he seemed somewhat unhinged and not at all representative of the people I personally know who happen to be gay.... Most people don't spend all their time dogging people for being a certain religion! LOL My main point in regards to Will Sawyer has to do with courtesy and respect which Will Sawyer displayed virtually none of. Will Sawyer used the lack of courtesy and respect in an attempt to further his own political agenda. Which in this particular case was/is gay rights.
Will's anger, lack of courtesy and all disrespect garnered him as a looneytune individual. He had no concept of any other's opinion than His own. Tolerance and Diversity only go so far and Will Sawyer made an extreme effort to not just push these limits but to break the limits of tolerance and diversity and therefore shove His Way or No Way down others throats.
Now obivously with Will's extended absence, He was not sucessful in inflicting His Will upon everyone else. And I am not attempting to inflict 'My' Will upon anyone either. I am only pointing age old Teachings.
Well, yeah.... he was kind of a [expletive deleted]
I think most folks on here used to groan when they would see him post....at least from what I remember...
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:47 PM In terms of disrespect, I wasn't talking about you specifically, or Christians in general (So I hope you did not take my comments as such- as the only person here who pizzed me off was the one I originally quoted several pages ago). I have seen nothing but respect for others from you on this board in the past.
I used the bible quotes because said poster asked something along the lines of "well who defines 'Christian attitude', anyway?".... so I figured Christ himself would be an adequate answer. ;)
I have nothing against the Church, even though my personal beliefs may not always match up. Sure some Christians can be hypocrites... but so can any other person on this world, regardless of faith. I certainly have never held being a Christian against anyone (as at one time I was definitely a church-goer for many years, and my best friend is a devout Catholic). I also didn't boycott Chick-fil-a either (hahaha).... Actually I just like having intelligent discussion with folks such as you who may have different views. I find it enlightening.
(Politically I would say I'm libertarian, in case anyone reading this is assuming I am a left winger. lol)
Some of your quotes are some of my favorites. I love them and try to live by them (with many failures).
What's really interesting is that the poster that was rightly reprimanded was just immediately assumed to be Christian. However she never stated or confirmed that. In fact, I would suggest that her response denies it.
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2014-05-15 12:59 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-05-15 12:47 PM In terms of disrespect, I wasn't talking about you specifically, or Christians in general (So I hope you did not take my comments as such- as the only person here who pizzed me off was the one I originally quoted several pages ago). I have seen nothing but respect for others from you on this board in the past.
I used the bible quotes because said poster asked something along the lines of "well who defines 'Christian attitude', anyway?".... so I figured Christ himself would be an adequate answer. ;)
I have nothing against the Church, even though my personal beliefs may not always match up. Sure some Christians can be hypocrites... but so can any other person on this world, regardless of faith. I certainly have never held being a Christian against anyone (as at one time I was definitely a church-goer for many years, and my best friend is a devout Catholic). I also didn't boycott Chick-fil-a either (hahaha).... Actually I just like having intelligent discussion with folks such as you who may have different views. I find it enlightening.
(Politically I would say I'm libertarian, in case anyone reading this is assuming I am a left winger. lol) Some of your quotes are some of my favorites. I love them and try to live by them (with many failures).
What's really interesting is that the poster that was rightly reprimanded was just immediately assumed to be Christian. However she never stated or confirmed that. In fact, I would suggest that her response denies it.
Interesting... I thought she stated that at one point- perhaps I assumed that based on what others had written (dang ADD)
And I do try to live by those same ideals (from the quotes) as well..... though I probably don't come close. But hey, we are all only human. I think most people do they best they can. Pobody's Nerfect :) |
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Location: Dubach, LA | GoGaited - 2014-05-12 4:55 PM kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil!
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Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 5:56 PM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 6:27 PM 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
Why should GoGaited be censored when everything else is ok?
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Hugs to You
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | CanCan - 2014-05-15 2:56 PM 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 5:56 PM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 6:27 PM 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
As far as people, whether they are gay or straight showing extreme public affection - I don't approve of either. And this applies to my daughter and her husband and my son and his partner.
Maybe GoGaited can learn one thing from this post - treat and talk to people how you would like to be treated and talked to.
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Hungarian Midget Woman
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Location: Pacific Northwest | CanCan - 2014-05-15 11:56 AM
3canstorun - 2014-05-13 5:56 PM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 6:27 PM 3canstorun - 2014-05-13 7:12 AM GoGaited - 2014-05-13 1:06 AM fatchance - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM GoGaited, IMHO there are better ways to state your stance on this topic. I don't seek your approval for my stance or how I state it. P/C can go to hades.
Because everyone else is nice about it. "Flaming homosexual" is a derogatory statement. She may as all just say fa**ot, because both phrases are directed at us in the same tone.
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The Original Cyber Bartender
Location: Washington | When I used the word Bigot it was to a person who has had no problem slamming their fist into this topic, there was ZERO tolerance on their response on this thread and Johnny Weirs. IF I decide not to judge anyone because of who they love, that is my choice.
Most here know I do not mix my beliefs and or my politics on this board. It doesn't work out well for me. SO that is all I shall say.
My point on this thread was I found what was made public was a disservice to the young man starting his career in the NFL, the only thing they needed to let people know are his stats.
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I used to be addicted to fags back when I lived in England. I went through more than 20 a day.  |
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The Original Cyber Bartender
Location: Washington | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-15 1:09 PM I used to be addicted to fags back when I lived in England. I went through more than 20 a day.
Didn't know you smoked....
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | fatchance - 2014-05-15 3:12 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-05-15 1:09 PM I used to be addicted to fags back when I lived in England. I went through more than 20 a day.
Oh yeah. It seemed lke we all did back then. In fact, I think the Brits had the right idea. On the main level of the hospital, which was quite large, they had a convenience store, a barber shop, a flower shop, and a pub. The British docs in the NHS lived a good life. They never made rounds before 9 am. In fact, on my first day I showed up on the surgical ward at 6:30, and the head "sister" (that's a nurse) wouldn't let me on the floor. She shooed me off like a stray cat and told me to act civilized and go home, have breakfast with my family and come back at 9. As I turned away I could see her shaking her head in disbilief and heard her going "tsk tsk....bloody Americans!" I was introduced to the other Brits on my team and we made rounds at 9. At 10 we had coffee together in a lounge. At noon, we ate lunch together. At about 2:30 we had tea and scones together in that same lounge. At around 4-4:30 we went to the pub for a pint of ale and a fag. Sorry for the sidetrack.....I digress.
Yes, Louise I used to smoke cigarettes. Now I just smoke a big smelly cigar once in a while, but I did give up my fags. |
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