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Location: Kansas | Alright.. I don't think I've ever seen a bit like the one I'm wanting but I'm sure there's something out there. I have my 6 year old in a Jarret gag with a twisted wire dog bone mouth. She has beautiful turns in it but she is getting way too strong and wanting to run through it when I try to get her to rate down/stop. Riding her around in the pasture with just a halter on, she plants her butt. So I'm wanting a combo bit that has a rope noseband but has sides that have a lot of gag action like a Jarrett does.
Anyone have any idea of a bit that fits this description/and the name of it?
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| You could go with a couple of things. I think there is a gag bit that has a rope noseband. Also the Ring combo Rope nose by reinsman has a lot of gag action. |
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The Advice Guru
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| To get more whoa, you will need less gag, and curb pressure, possibly a shank.
A gag delays the reaction, and only works on the poll, lip, bars, and tongue. |
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| But if the horse stops in a halter, a noseband would allow for that pressure. |
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| a Dutton smooth dogbone sliding gag, then putt your Jarrett gag shanks on it.
ETA: http://www.nrsworld.com/horse_western_bits_accessories/browse/brand...
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Location: Kansas | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-14 10:26 AM
To get more whoa, you will need less gag, and curb pressure, possibly a shank.
A gag delays the reaction, and only works on the poll, lip, bars, and tongue.
She's a really sensitive horse and when I tried putting a shanked bit on her she shook her head a lot and still wasn't putting her butt down like I was trying to get her to. I think the noseband is the way to go for this particular horse. |
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Location: North Dakota | If you like the jarret gag I would try the goostree simplicity, IMO they have the same feel but the goostree has more give at the poll which in turn makes for a better stop, even without a curb. There is a video on YouTube. I have the dutton combo and feel it doesn't give the same gag feel but is a possibility too. |
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My mind still works
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| Jr cowhorse will get one back on the rear. I use a med twist. No roller |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Myler has a new one out. It is the rage on the internet (FB). $150 will get you an awesome bit. From the way I see it the design is awesome and very functional. |
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| HarlanLivesOn - 2014-05-14 11:38 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-14 10:26 AM
To get more whoa, you will need less gag, and curb pressure, possibly a shank.
A gag delays the reaction, and only works on the poll, lip, bars, and tongue.
She's a really sensitive horse and when I tried putting a shanked bit on her she shook her head a lot and still wasn't putting her butt down like I was trying to get her to. I think the noseband is the way to go for this particular horse.
With the gag you are using, when you are pulling, you have a lot of shank, as you pull the ratio also changes from a 4:1, all the way to a 1:4.
When the bit gets to the top ring, you should have a lot of leverage, more then most shanked bits.
I am guessing you didn't introduce the shanked bit to her properly. You can't just put a bit on and go out and ride. You need to show them how a bit works, as it can be information overload as your horse is going from a lot of poll, lip pressure, some tongue, and bar pressure, to a more even lip tongue, bar, and curb pressure.
If she is not putting her but down, I would say a training issue, as a horse should be putting their but down when you sit in the saddle, not when you pull on their face, it should never come to that. She may also be sore if she is not planting her but in the ground. I would rule out lameness issues first.
Again I would start with a bit that has a 1:1 ratio, such as the cervi diamond lifter with a short shank.
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=562916693827820&set=pcb.5629... I'm not sure this will show up tried to copy photo of bit. nope didn't work .... try this www.Merrill bits.com
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Location: Kansas | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-15 1:57 PM
HarlanLivesOn - 2014-05-14 11:38 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-14 10:26 AM
To get more whoa, you will need less gag, and curb pressure, possibly a shank.
A gag delays the reaction, and only works on the poll, lip, bars, and tongue.
She's a really sensitive horse and when I tried putting a shanked bit on her she shook her head a lot and still wasn't putting her butt down like I was trying to get her to. I think the noseband is the way to go for this particular horse.
With the gag you are using, when you are pulling, you have a lot of shank, as you pull the ratio also changes from a 4:1, all the way to a 1:4.
When the bit gets to the top ring, you should have a lot of leverage, more then most shanked bits.
I am guessing you didn't introduce the shanked bit to her properly. You can't just put a bit on and go out and ride. You need to show them how a bit works, as it can be information overload as your horse is going from a lot of poll, lip pressure, some tongue, and bar pressure, to a more even lip tongue, bar, and curb pressure.
If she is not putting her but down, I would say a training issue, as a horse should be putting their but down when you sit in the saddle, not when you pull on their face, it should never come to that. She may also be sore if she is not planting her but in the ground. I would rule out lameness issues first.
Again I would start with a bit that has a 1:1 ratio, such as the cervi diamond lifter with a short shank.
The first shanked bit I put on her was a Sherry Cervi short shank bit. Introduced the gag action with a simple twisted wire draw bit. It's not a lameness thing- she is a very anxious horse so when she thinks she knows something she wants to GO. Away from the pattern she will work pretty well for me but when I try loping her through the barrels she wants to get away from me. |
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Location: Kansas | barreldude - 2014-05-15 1:41 PM
Jr cowhorse will get one back on the rear. I use a med twist. No roller
I'm pretty sure I've used a jr cowhorse on her... I've played around with a lot of bits to see what would fit her best. I might just bit her down and go back to basics for a little while and see if that helps. |
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Location: Bixby, Ok | L and w makes a bit very similar to the jarret. It is a bit shorter and the top ring is set back and you can add a curb. It is amazing. I have a horse that was running good in Jarrett but needed a bit more. Might try theirs before adding a nose band. |
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Location: Pelham, TN | Shallow Creek Bits makes the draw bit with a piggin string noseband. www.shallowcreekbit.com |
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Location: Arkansas | Here is the bit that I LOVE on almost all my horses.
http://m.horse.com/item/reinsman-johnson-hackamore/E003468/?srccode... |
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