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| i have a 9 yr old running bred gelding that i bought a year ago that was awesome. we were very hard to out run.. he runs in a o ring med twisted wire and a tie down.. not loose not to tight. hes easy as pic to ride but if you dont dump he he'll run by the 1st. well, here lately hes been fighting me on 2nd and 3rd as if im pulling to hard and pulls away with his head and doesnt finish his turn or rears up and lunges forward if i try to pull and make him finish his turn. only on 2nd or 3rd.. never both of them just 1. and never at home and never in exhib. only when i run him. so i tried a new bit this week and the jackpot a lumis draw bit and it work nicely, but it wasnt enough at the first and he ran me to the fence almost. and kinda bowed off the 3rd. i felt like if i had pulled him to finish he would have reared up. well ive never had these problems before until her lately.. what should i do? what bits should i try? how should i work him at home? he gets kinda hot at the gate and thats what makes me think he is doing this, i feel like he is getting to worked up and stressing himself. but i keep him moving and comforable (he stands fine in holding pen almost falling asleep) i can run him to the left and he wont run past barrels or rear up but he doesnt run AT ALL. someone please help me |
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| When our horses have any kind of issue that won't go away with tuning, we head to the vet. Next step after ruling out or treating any pain issues is to get with someone who knows alot more than I do and take some lessons or leave the horse for tuning. Best money we ever spent was leaving our horses with our trainer Jan Powell, letting her fix the horse then teaching the girls how to keep them fixed. Don't get angry at him, he may have a real issue that needs to be addressed or he is getting mixed signals. Horses learn what we teach them. My daughter taught her horse he could get away with stuff till Jan straightened both of them out :). Call and talk with the seller, they had him running good and know the horse. We didn't hesitate to ask questions if we needed to.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Sounds like he is sore somewhere, bad saddle fit or has ulcers. Horses don't just wake up one morning and decide to make us miserable.
BTW - Your title is a little harsh, I feel bad for your horse. |
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  Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | If you want to kill him, just pass him along to someone else. If you don't want to kill him, start with ruling out soreness issues. Horses talk to us.....we just need to learn how to listen. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | missroselee - 2014-05-14 5:56 PM If you want to kill him, just pass him along to someone else. If you don't want to kill him, start with ruling out soreness issues. Horses talk to us.....we just need to learn how to listen.
I agree with soreness.......then......I think the OP needs to get lessons from a trainer! She could be the cause of a lot of issues! |
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Location: Canada | The OP came here for advice and her title may come off as harsh but she's here looking for advice so obviously she wants what's best for him. So before we send her down the road in flames let's try to help her out. 
Since the issue is only at second and third barrel my guess is he has a pain issue on that turn. I'd head to the vet and have teeth and hocks checked as well as an overall lameness issue. As other posters said if he was running well before and now he's fighting you he's telling you he needs something so best to head to a vet and get him checked.
Best of luck.
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How long have you been riding barrel horses, just wondering? Sounds like it could be pain or hes getting burned out running. How offten are you working him on barrels?
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2014-05-14 6:27 PM
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | What is his pedigree? I might want him before you kill him. |
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 Living within my means
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Location: Randolph, Utah | I thought maybe this was going to be about a husband/boyfriend not a horse!  |
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Location: Kansas | Do you have any videos? |
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Location: Florida.. | personality clash.. want to kill him.. he may be sore and saying same thing about you...find a good vet.. sounds sore imho.good luck . |
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Location: Alabama | Sounds like a pain issue like others have said. It could anything from his teeth to poor saddle fit. etc. Let your vet look him over. |
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| ive been running for 5 years. this horse came from brett monroe and i take lessons from nicole.. ive had him coming three years. i ran him for a year and turned him out in a pasture with cows for a year after he started this habit. i just started bringing him back, tuesday was his 5th run. i dont work barrels alot at home or with my trainer cause im not trying to make him hate his job. im not stupid and i know what im talking about when it comes to my horses. but ive come to BHW because im at a standpoint with what could be wrong, and i love to hear what people have to say.. as long as its not negative.. im having his teeth done thurdays and had the vet out about 2 weeks ago and he said he is not sore but i might want to start him on a joint supplement as hes getting up in age. i dont want to literally kill him, but yes he is reallllllllllllly pushing my buttons. i just bought some ulcer treatment i will start him on tonight. any other advice? if hes hurting or could be hurting i dont understand why he onlyacts up when i run him at a show.. not at home, not in exhib, only when i know im about to make a real run. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What does your trainer/person you take lessons from think could be wrong? |
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| needs to be vetted again to rule out anything! so i guess i'll have that done again. could a chiro be any help? |
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| I am confused, in your original post you said you bought him a year ago? I guess it does not really matter, I would give the same advice if you feel you have done a through lameness exam with a good vet, send him to your trainer and see what they feel when they ride him. We don't work our horses at home either, they know their job, sometimes the arena is the only place for issues to show up and some don't show up till the horse is running hard. Did your vet come to your place and if so was do you have hard ground to work him on to watch watch him move? |
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| i bought him sold him to an older woman (good family friend) she had him turned out for the year. never rode him. then i just brought him back this year. and i understand, but if the issue is in the arena how do you fix it? hes a rodeo horse, has always been one when i first bought him and never exhib him anywhere. i never worked him anyways besides long trotting. he was and still pretty auto. but i feel like now if i dont correct the problem it'll just get worse. but I'm going to have him vetted again by a different vet and have a chiro out just in case. i do love this horse and he is a very nice horse. but I've bent around backwards trying to figure out whats wrong. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-05-14 7:33 PM I am confused, in your original post you said you bought him a year ago? I guess it does not really matter, I would give the same advice if you feel you have done a through lameness exam with a good vet, send him to your trainer and see what they feel when they ride him. We don't work our horses at home either, they know their job, sometimes the arena is the only place for issues to show up and some don't show up till the horse is running hard. Did your vet come to your place and if so was do you have hard ground to work him on to watch watch him move?
I understood she bought him a year ago too, oh well... I would have a chiro go over him really good, could be out somewhere and running him more could be painful for him, or a vet might beable to help you find the problem, but sounds like something thats been going on for a long time since you had him thrown out to pasture for a few years. |
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| he was my main horse when i was running him and he started this habit so i figured id give him a break for exactly 1 year. and bring him back, i got him in shape, never one took him around any barrels, took him to a jackpot his first run and he pulls off the 2nd and fights me the whole way. but okay, i'll call both tomorrow and have someone check him out. thank you. |
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Location: a secret | I think you have one of the best in the business helping/training you what have they told you?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2014-05-14 7:07 PM if hes hurting or could be hurting i dont understand why he onlyacts up when i run him at a show.. not at home, not in exhib, only when i know im about to make a real run.
I don't mean to be harsh ..... and your explanations are kind of convoluted and very hard to follow....BUT this statement makes me stand by my original statement......If there are no "pain" issues and the fact that you are having problems with another horse, it could very well be YOU........it is very easy for the rider to transmit mixed signals to the horse......Do you have any videos of your runs? |
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Location: Canada | Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2014-05-14 7:07 PM if hes hurting or could be hurting i dont understand why he onlyacts up when i run him at a show.. not at home, not in exhib, only when i know im about to make a real run.
If it ONLY happens when you make a competition run then the problem is likely you not the horse (sorry if that sounds harsh). If the horse can make runs at home and during exhibitions without an issue and only has a problem when it comes to a competition run where money/prizes are on the line then it's probably something you're doing different. It could be something simple but it's making all the difference.
My suggestion would be video your practice runs and then video your competition runs. Compare EVERYTHING and see what you are doing different. Have your trainer watch you and see if they can see the difference and hopefully you'll find what's changed and be able to start fixing it.
Good luck. |
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Location: Texas | Some horses are able to keep it together until you ask them for all they have in the run.
If you are doing like you say, and not working him on the pattern at home, just riding- he has nothing to show you at home. If you aren't exhibitioning him… he has nothing to show you until you make your run.
I had a mare who was this same way. She would tough it out during our every day work outs, she would slow work fine, I could cruise her through fine… But when it came down to the real run, when I would ask her for everything, it would hurt too bad and she couldn't do it. I never run mine at home, and I never run in exhibitions. The only time I was pushing her hard enough was the run. Come to find out she had a stifle OCD.
It took 30 days at same trainer Rodeomom3 suggested, of her saying pick her up and go back to the vet- something is not right. I had paid her for 30 days of tuning, and it was enough consistent riding and work in a row to where she finally showed something in a lameness exam. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Sounds like your horse is sore. Id get to a good equine lameness vet. |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| I agree, it sounds like this horse is sore or sour.... So you had some issues with him, turned him out and now are having an issue again? (just wanna make sure I am understanding).
A lot of ailments wont go away with just sitting in the pasture so he may have something sore and standing around didnt actually fix it. Time off IMO is more a mental break or an actual injury of some kinda as in tendon or something that requires rest to heal. Sore hocks, back, bad teeth, etc are not gonna get better without treatment.
I would guess he's got something going on. You can always post a video on here and see if people have any suggestions.
Good luck! |
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Sock Snob
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| Talk to your trainer as he is very knowedgeable. Let them help you with you problem. You need to comunicate with your horse. When was the last times you had hismhocks done. Talk to bret and nicole you will find your answer.
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| If all else fails, switch him to the left!
Coming from experience with a similar issue... it's easy to blame the horse. But I was grabbing up at the reins causing mine to rear/lunge, then we both started anticipating it and coming off the turns. It's taken a while to correct but we've corrected. |
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Miracle in the Making
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| daisycake123 - 2014-05-15 7:04 AM Talk to your trainer as he is very knowedgeable. Let them help you with you problem. You need to comunicate with your horse. When was the last times you had hismhocks done. Talk to bret and nicole you will find your answer.
brett is as honest as they come and from what little i know of nicklp i would absolutely trust her.
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Location: My Own Little World | You said he had the habit before you turned him out. So I'm saying he hurts. I'd start with teeth and then get him to a lameness vet. Not all vets have an eye for these issues. Then, once you get him fixed, he's going to need to rebuild his confidence that you are not going to run him sore anymore. Then, you will need to take him to the good vet for regular checkups. It's not a one time fix all. |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | If you are taking lessons from Nicole, then you need to be asking her! And Brett......
If you purchased the horse from him, and you take lessons from her, then they both know the horse. None of us know the horse. They are some top hands so they should be able to help |
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 I keep my butt inside
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Location: Weatherford, Texas | Where are you sitting for your turn. He may have been automatic and made up for you but now he isn't making up for your mistakes. If you are setting too early or dropping your outside rein etc then he will start to set for the turn too soon. If he doesn't want to hit it, he has to blow off the back and get out of position.
Post a video and we can probably see more. |
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Location: Oklahoma | casualdust07 - 2014-05-14 9:30 PM
Some horses are able to keep it together until you ask them for all they have in the run.
If you are doing like you say, and not working him on the pattern at home, just riding- he has nothing to show you at home. If you aren't exhibitioning him… he has nothing to show you until you make your run.
I had a mare who was this same way. She would tough it out during our every day work outs, she would slow work fine, I could cruise her through fine… But when it came down to the real run, when I would ask her for everything, it would hurt too bad and she couldn't do it. I never run mine at home, and I never run in exhibitions. The only time I was pushing her hard enough was the run. Come to find out she had a stifle OCD.
It took 30 days at same trainer Rodeomom3 suggested, of her saying pick her up and go back to the vet- something is not right. I had paid her for 30 days of tuning, and it was enough consistent riding and work in a row to where she finally showed something in a lameness exam.
When the OP said he was pulling out of the turn, I immediately thought "stifles". And if they need blistering, they won't get better with turnout....he may have had a slip and stretched one of the ligaments (I'd think maybe left side since you say that's the barrels he's having trouble with) and a loose stifle ligament typically only bothers them when they have to turn at speed, which is why he's probably acting up at shows. An internal blister is a pretty easy fix.....sometimes you have to do it more than once, but if it's OCD, that's not such an easy fix. I'd suggest you got to a really good lameness vet....ask Brett and Nicole who they use, and be prepared to drop some change, but I bet you find out the cause of his behavior. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | I guess you have already checked his teeth.. |
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i want to kill him