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| I have a mare that is really sucked-in in her flanks - both sides. Any ideas what this could be?
She went to a trainer for a couple months (which she looked fine but out of shape). Before she left we vaccinated and dewormed (Zimectrin Gold). When she came back (67 days later) she was extremely sucked in. The trainer said she probably had worms (but never mentioned anything until I picked her up). I gave her another wormer (Quest Plus) thinking maybe the trainer was right.
Shes been home for a month now and havent seen any difference. We got her teeth floated 12 days ago. Her teeth were bad so the vet said to give it 30 days or do a pancur power pack. She eats and drinks plenty (grass/alfalfa mix plus triple crown complete). Its possible i havent given her enough time (as vet said 30 days) but i thought i would see some difference by now. I dont want to do the pancur if she truely doesnt need it.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sounds like she could have ulcers from the stress of being at the trainers.
Does she act cinchy at all? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Another thing to try is to give her some probios. I always give probios after deworming as the wormer kills off the good bacteria in the gut. |
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| I havent noticed her being cinchy... but that is a good idea! Thank you!
Also, I did read to give probios after deworming so I did start her on that about a week ago. |
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Location: Idaho | Sounds like she is dehydrated. I'd give your vet a call. We recenlty had a broodmare who got sucked up in the flanks and turned out she has kidney failure... so before you start pushing things into your mare, call your vet. |
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Location: Florida.. | Could be Stress, overworked, dehydrated and or not enough calories when trained hard..
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | flyhperformancehorse - 2014-05-14 7:56 PM Sounds like she is dehydrated. I'd give your vet a call. We recenlty had a broodmare who got sucked up in the flanks and turned out she has kidney failure... so before you start pushing things into your mare, call your vet.
The vet has seen this horse. Re-read her post. |
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| be patient...sounds like you are doing everything right...she's been to vet, wormed, teeth floated....are you feeding her the same amount as you were feeding her before going to the trainer? might not hurt to up it some as working horses require more calories than non-working...maybe try some loose minerals or free choice minerals? she may be lacking something in her diet...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Do you have pictures so we can see, maybe you are just being a little too worried,  |
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| Do you have a water heater? I noticed my horse was sucked in at the flank. I wormed him, and did electrolytes.... waited about 2 weeks nothing changed. During those 2 weeks I noticed he wasnt drinking what he typically does. Come to find out he got shocked from the water heater. After grabbing another trough and setting it outside, he started drinking and it fixed the problem. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Nevertooold - 2014-05-14 5:45 PM
Sounds like she could have ulcers from the stress of being at the trainers.
Does she act cinchy at all?
First thought for me as well. Being at the trainers is stressful for a young one. |
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| My mare has been a little sucked in at the flanks. She is cramping up from her heat cycle I think. She is having trouble striding out in the back. I'm trying different things to try and relieve that. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | ndiehl - 2014-05-16 10:02 AM Nevertooold - 2014-05-14 5:45 PM Sounds like she could have ulcers from the stress of being at the trainers.
Does she act cinchy at all? First thought for me as well. Being at the trainers is stressful for a young one.
It sounds like she may be developing ulcers to me too. It is normally from stress that some horse don't eat enough to provide saliva to the stomach to neutrilze the acid. |
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| I will look into ulcers... She isnt dehydrated - she drinks her normal amount of water as she always has.
Thank you for all your replies! |
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| I second and third and fourth investigating ulcers. My 6 year old had that curious "sunken flank" look, even though he was gobbling and munching and drinking and had been wormed, slicked out like glass. Asked two different vets, they scratched their head and looked puzzled, because this horse looks like a racehorse he's so beautifully filled out.
However, moved twice in under a month, and his hocks were sore...
Had an ah-ha! moment after cruising the internet, went out, checked, sure enough, he had the DePaulo ulcer points, all three of them. SO
14 days of ulcergard, his flanks have popped back out and the DePaulo pressure points aren't there anymore. He's not flipping his tail at me anymore either when I saddle him. Ulcers it was, stress and pain, I believe.. |
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| classicpotatochip - 2014-05-15 3:54 PM
I second and third and fourth investigating ulcers. My 6 year old had that curious "sunken flank" look, even though he was gobbling and munching and drinking and had been wormed, slicked out like glass. Asked two different vets, they scratched their head and looked puzzled, because this horse looks like a racehorse he's so beautifully filled out.
However, moved twice in under a month, and his hocks were sore...
Had an ah-ha! moment after cruising the internet, went out, checked, sure enough, he had the DePaulo ulcer points, all three of them. SO
14 days of ulcergard, his flanks have popped back out and the DePaulo pressure points aren't there anymore. He's not flipping his tail at me anymore either when I saddle him. Ulcers it was, stress and pain, I believe..
I have never heard of DePaulo pressure points... but I am going to try this as soon as I get home!!!  |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | SaritaStorm it sounds like your horse is tying up. Increase your horse's vitamins intake especially vitamin E. |
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Location: Valley City,ND | First..I am an advertiser here on BHW. I compound an economically priced Analytical Lab tested Omeprazole suspension. The finished product is lab proven for stability and potency. $200/300ml at treatment dosage. I want horse owners to be able to afford to treat their horses' ulcers with a PROVEN Omeprazole product that is molasses flavored so horses love the taste. My website. Www.equinerxsolutions.com. over 90% of performance horses have ulcers to some degree, sucked up flanks, cribbing/wind sucking, cinchiness, alley issues, bucking, just plain crabiness can all be symptoms. |
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| I agree with ulcers. Go to Walmart and get Alovera juice. 1 ounce morning and night. It's a cheap way to tell. You will see a difference in a matter of days. |
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| readytorodeo - 2014-05-28 1:08 PM
I agree with ulcers. Go to Walmart and get Alovera juice. 1 ounce morning and night. It's a cheap way to tell. You will see a difference in a matter of days.
Not necessarily. I had my mare on GastroGard for 10 days before even noticing a MINOR difference in her behavior when we suspected ulcers (which she DID have, we scoped her). A little bit of aloe juice wouldn't have done a damn thing to help us tell.
OP - my mare also had very tucked up flanks with her ulcers. She would get dehydrated from not drinking much water (because of the ulcers). |
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| Well, I have waited the full 30 day recommended by the vet and still no additional weight (from what i can tell and flanks still sucked in). Plus I have notices she rubs/scratches her butt on everything - more than just a normal itch... I am going to try the ulcer theory...
Has anyone tried the Oxy-Gen ulcer products (Oxy Ulcer)? Gastroguard or Ulcerguard? What worked best for your horse(s) for the best price?
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| Mis_Trev - 2014-05-28 3:57 PM
Well, I have waited the full 30 day recommended by the vet and still no additional weight (from what i can tell and flanks still sucked in ). Plus I have notices she rubs/scratches her butt on everything - more than just a normal itch... I am going to try the ulcer theory...
Has anyone tried the Oxy-Gen ulcer products (Oxy Ulcer )? Gastroguard or Ulcerguard? What worked best for your horse (s ) for the best price?
I really appreciate everyones input!
UlcerGard/GastroGard is the Gold Star treatment.
They are the SAME THING. One tube of UlcerGard = One tube of GastroGard. They are simply labeled differently for treatment vs. prevention. So, you can save money by buying UlcerGard (without a script) and just give a tube a day.
That being said, you cannot just abruptly stop administering PPI drugs. You must gradually taper off the drug, otherwise, you risk what's called an "acid rebound effect." which essentially are those proton pumps kick into high gear after you stop the drug abruptly and produce a lot of acid, which in turn, creates a problem (potentially) with ulcers again.
So, 28 days of UlcerGard, 1 tube daily. Then 1/2 tube daily for a few weeks, then 1/4 tube daily for a few weeks, then none.
There are other things you can try to see if the horse responds; my mare responds quite quickly to ranitidine, 6 mg/kg every 8 hours (I do every 12 hours). You can try this to see if she responds to it, and if so, start her on the good stuff (UlcerGard). That way can save you some money - Omeprazole takes a bit to start working and showing a results; ranitidine (H2 blockers) start working immediately but aren't as much bang for your buck in terms of healing existing ulcers. They can work, but you need to use them for much longer than omeprazole based treatments.
You could also just scope the horse and see what you're dealing with. That's what I did because I wanted to know for sure. www.photobucket.com/ulcers |
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Location: Sperry, OK | SuckerForHorses - 2014-05-28 3:12 PM Mis_Trev - 2014-05-28 3:57 PM Well, I have waited the full 30 day recommended by the vet and still no additional weight (from what i can tell and flanks still sucked in ). Plus I have notices she rubs/scratches her butt on everything - more than just a normal itch... I am going to try the ulcer theory... Has anyone tried the Oxy-Gen ulcer products (Oxy Ulcer )? Gastroguard or Ulcerguard? What worked best for your horse (s ) for the best price? I really appreciate everyones input! UlcerGard/GastroGard is the Gold Star treatment. They are the SAME THING. One tube of UlcerGard = One tube of GastroGard. They are simply labeled differently for treatment vs. prevention. So, you can save money by buying UlcerGard (without a script ) and just give a tube a day. That being said, you cannot just abruptly stop administering PPI drugs. You must gradually taper off the drug, otherwise, you risk what's called an "acid rebound effect." which essentially are those proton pumps kick into high gear after you stop the drug abruptly and produce a lot of acid, which in turn, creates a problem (potentially ) with ulcers again. So, 28 days of UlcerGard, 1 tube daily. Then 1/2 tube daily for a few weeks, then 1/4 tube daily for a few weeks, then none. There are other things you can try to see if the horse responds; my mare responds quite quickly to ranitidine, 6 mg/kg every 8 hours (I do every 12 hours ). You can try this to see if she responds to it, and if so, start her on the good stuff (UlcerGard ). That way can save you some money - Omeprazole takes a bit to start working and showing a results; ranitidine (H2 blockers ) start working immediately but aren't as much bang for your buck in terms of healing existing ulcers. They can work, but you need to use them for much longer than omeprazole based treatments. You could also just scope the horse and see what you're dealing with. That's what I did because I wanted to know for sure. www.photobucket.com/ulcers
I looked at your photos.. did you worm her too? LOL, sorry I just had to ask. |
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| LOL yes! And she had been wormed not long before that, I can't remember the timeframe now as that was a few years ago. But I will never look at kidney beans the same way ever again! LOL! |
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