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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Not sure if it's true but I just read a article from CNN that said California Chrome won't be allowed to run at Belmont because.... He runs with a nasal strip. Seriously? I thought all a strip did was help him breath. Is this true or more to the story to what? I think there scared that the under dog or what ever the called him might win the triple crown. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Not true......they haven't even made a request to the NY Racing Commission to ask permission to use the nasal strips....In the past they have not been allowed. Also, they have NOT made the decision to race him or not if they are not allowed.....I doubt seriously if the decision will be made because they are "scared" of him.....all speculation.........
ETA: In 2012, I'll Have Another was the last horse to win the Derby and Preakness. He had worn nasal strips but his handlers were told he couldn't wear one in the Belmont. They were preparing to do so until I'll Have Another was scratched with a leg injury the day before the race.
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Location: Ky | The trainer said the owner may not run him if they can't use the nasal strip. I would say that's nothing but a ploy to put pressure on the NY racing commission to allow it. |
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| I think it's a ploy and controversy always makes a good story. You can't spend 2 weeks saying he's special and then say it for 3 more. This way they'll have something to talk about and debate. Wonder of the Flair Nasal Strip people will be bombarded with orders? Lol |
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Location: Texas | Also says the reason the other owner wasn't there because he was upset with the way they were treated In Kentucky...Will definately make the movie a little better...adding some controversy....http://www.wfaa.com/sports/more/California-Chromes-run-in-Belmont-Stakes-in-doubt-over-nasal-strips-259715731.html |
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| If I remember correctly I'LL HAVE ANOTHER .. had constant harassment and stall and barn moves by the New York Racing Commission after winning the Derby and Preakness
The owners pulled him and said the hexx with it ... and went home ...
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=85837...
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | jd&ez - 2014-05-18 4:08 PM
The trainer said the owner may not run him if they can't use the nasal strip. I would say that's nothing but a ploy to put pressure on the NY racing commission to allow it.
What's the big deal about running with one? Like why won't they allow it. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I wonder how well those nasal strip stick to hair any how???????? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nasal-strip-could-threaten-chromes-133840544--rah.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | He has won 6 in a row since they started using the nasal strips. With the Belmont being such a long race, stamina issues would definetly be a factor and then throw in the fact that he has issues with a lingering blister, I would say that the nasal strip issue would be a big deal. |
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Location: Washington | Each state has their own set of rules and they do change from state to state. CC owners, and their trainer knew about the steward ruling in 2012 that I'll Have Another would not be allowed to run in one there at Belmont. I'll have Another got hurt the day before the Belmont and he drew out. SO the ruling has not been tested. The NY stewards saying there has been no request as of yet is correct.
As far as do they work, Flair strips....6 wins in a row, pretty safe in saying they don't hurt.
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Location: Florida.. | I think its all blahblahblah.. rumor control and words .Did any one hear out of the owners mouth personally they would not run him ? and NOT a newspaper article ..?just curious.. |
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Location: Washington | Turner1 - 2014-05-18 3:46 PM The strips are allowed in Standardbred racing in New York, why not TB?
Very valid point......all I can say is...it's New York.
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Location: Utah | I actually told my my husband yesterday that I wondered if this would happen because of what happened before.... will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Bibliafarm - 2014-05-17 6:44 PM I think its all blahblahblah.. rumor control and words .Did any one hear out of the owners mouth personally they would not run him ? and NOT a newspaper article ..?just curious..
They actually ask the owner about it this morning on Fox.......He seemed to indicated some concern but not a deal breaker.........if I remember correctly. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-05-18 6:44 PM
I think its all blahblahblah.. rumor control and words .Did any one hear out of the owners mouth personally they would not run him ? and NOT a newspaper article ..?just curious..
Yes. It was actually posted on HIS official page.
I'll Have Another put in a request to use one and got denied. Point moot when he had a soundness issue. He was prepared to run without them
HONESTLY. I would LOVE to see this horse race but you know what, GOOD for them for actually putting what they think is best for the horse first! |
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Location: Kansas | Well if they run him without the strip and he loses by a bunch I will be a believer in the strips. I haven't been sold on the concept myself. |
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Location: North Dakota | amy laymon - 2014-05-18 7:57 PM Well if they run him without the strip and he loses by a bunch I will be a believer in the strips. I haven't been sold on the concept myself.
I think they are great. My brother was a top BMX racer in the nation and he has very severe asthma but the nasal strips really helped him have enough wind to go 110% around a track. Not sure why it wouldn't help a horse breath better as well. |
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Location: Ky | Again, I say it's a ploy to get the NY racing commission to allow the strips. It would be a PR nighmare for them if he didn't run. Brilliant strategy in my opinion.
I would bet my house that CC runs the Belmont. Just posturing at the moment. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | You know this right here is why I'd like to see a national racing commision so the rules would be the same across the nation. |
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Location: between here and there | The trainer was on tv this am speaking about the flare strips on CC. He said he's been asked to do a lot of things he had never done like run a horse 2 weeks after a big race and it was successful. He has always ran 6 weeks between before. He said he trains in the mornings without them, but CC seems to prefer them in the afternoon so that's what they have been doing right along. All 6 races have been with them and like someone else said, with this being a longer race than he's ever run I sure wouldn't want to chance it otherwise.
I know I've used them when I'm stuffed up with allergies and they do help a lot. I don't like them, but they do work to open up the airway! Im not sure why not as they don't have any meds or performance enhancers in them. Yes, the standardbreds use them in NY, too but it's a different commission. Crazy for the TB's not able to use them. |
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Location: on my horse | svincent - 2014-05-18 10:48 PM
Just slap some strips on the whole field... Performance enhancing or not, BOOM all of the sudden it is even again.
That's exactly what I was thinking |
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Location: SE Louisiana | fatchance - 2014-05-18 5:47 PM
Turner1 - 2014-05-18 3:46 PM The strips are allowed in Standardbred racing in New York, why not TB?
Very valid point......all I can say is...it's New York.
Oh Please!!! Live Cover vrs AI and everything else??? |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I don't get the rationale for not allowing them. If they "enhance performance" but are not a drug. Heck let's not allow leg wraps, blinkers, shadow rolls etc either...I believe those may enhance performance too.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think those things have been around for humans for about 20 years, and they do work for some people who snore, etc... I remember one year at our NBHA state finals they were giving them away and I think most of them just fell off, because they wouldn't stick very well on the hair, and they were laying all over the place. I assume they use benzoin or some adhesive to keep them on. Someone mentioned a "blister". Did he develop a blister where the nasal strip was applied? If so, it will be healed up by then. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-05-19 7:56 AM I think those things have been around for humans for about 20 years, and they do work for some people who snore, etc... I remember one year at our NBHA state finals they were giving them away and I think most of them just fell off, because they wouldn't stick very well on the hair, and they were laying all over the place. I assume they use benzoin or some adhesive to keep them on. Someone mentioned a "blister". Did he develop a blister where the nasal strip was applied? If so, it will be healed up by then.
The blister was in his airway, which caused a cough. Didn't have anything to do with the nasal strip |
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Location: The edge of no where | ksjackofalltrades - 2014-05-18 5:40 PM He has won 6 in a row since they started using the nasal strips. With the Belmont being such a long race, stamina issues would definetly be a factor and then throw in the fact that he has issues with a lingering blister, I would say that the nasal strip issue would be a big deal.
FLAIR strips are the only thing other than Lasix that have been clinically proven to help with bleeders. It's a non-drug aide, I would think it would be a very big deal. I think not allowing them is stupid, and hope they get approved to run him with one. |
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Location: NE Texas | wimpyb - 2014-05-18 9:42 PM The trainer was on tv this am speaking about the flare strips on CC. He said he's been asked to do a lot of things he had never done like run a horse 2 weeks after a big race and it was successful. He has always ran 6 weeks between before. He said he trains in the mornings without them, but CC seems to prefer them in the afternoon so that's what they have been doing right along. All 6 races have been with them and like someone else said, with this being a longer race than he's ever run I sure wouldn't want to chance it otherwise. I know I've used them when I'm stuffed up with allergies and they do help a lot. I don't like them, but they do work to open up the airway! Im not sure why not as they don't have any meds or performance enhancers in them. Yes, the standardbreds use them in NY, too but it's a different commission. Crazy for the TB's not able to use them. I'd love to know the other things Art Sherman was asked to do in the training of Chrome by the trainers. Perry Martin is a scientist....someone who studies and ponders and thinks outside the box. He is the one who wanted to start using the strips on Chrome and asked the trainer to do it. He's also the one who wanted the horse to run back in two weeks. I'd love to know what the "outline" Mr. Martin and Mr. Coburn handed Art Sherman regarding how they wanted their Derby horse trained.....i'll bet it's an interesting read for sure and will prove that science can play a big part in the training process if used correctly.
All I can say is GO CHROME!!!! I'll Have Another was denied his request to run with them in the Belmont and I doubt the NY racing commission will grant Chrome anything different.
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Location: Kentucky | I'd love to know why they are denied at the Belmont. I would think the strips are more of a preventative maintenance, than performance enhancing. |
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Location: SW MO | My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
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Location: Arkansas | crossspur - 2014-05-19 9:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway )
I don't think he will either. Too many stalking him that have had plenty of rest.
Just my personal opinion, I wouldn't run him. California Chrome doesn't have a thing to prove. |
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| Love The Chase, Chrome dam, was found to have a breathing problem after she was retired. I can imagine that the strip are helping at least a little. Considering the nature of racing, I'd bet the strip are the least "annoying" thing he has to worry about. They certainly aren't hurting his performance! |
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| crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM
My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway )
Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids? |
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Location: Washington | Lobo - 2014-05-19 7:21 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 9:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) I don't think he will either. Too many stalking him that have had plenty of rest.
Just my personal opinion, I wouldn't run him. California Chrome doesn't have a thing to prove.
Seriously?
The NY stewards needs to make a decision about flair strips then put it in the books. They need to stop having say who can't and who can use them. It truly is that simple.
The owners are on record calling CC the people's horse, well the people want a Triple Crown winner. And the amount of money Belmont and New York will make if CC runs is staggering. Not sure it is about a horse anymore, it's about what is always has been about....money. |
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Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | He is running with his nasal strips. |
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Location: SW MO | Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
I guess we just have different standards of what a historial champion should be |
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Location: Kentucky | crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
I think he *can* run without the nasal strip, but he runs better with it on. I can run with flip flops.... but I'm better in tennis shoes. I don't strike him for the strip at all. That's like saying he shouldn't be on THE either. |
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Location: SW MO | fatchance - 2014-05-19 9:46 AM Lobo - 2014-05-19 7:21 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 9:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) I don't think he will either. Too many stalking him that have had plenty of rest.
Just my personal opinion, I wouldn't run him. California Chrome doesn't have a thing to prove.
The NY stewards needs to make a decision about flair strips then put it in the books. They need to stop having say who can't and who can use them. It truly is that simple.
The owners are on record calling CC the people's horse, well the people want a Triple Crown winner. And the amount of money Belmont and New York will make if CC runs is staggering. Not sure it is about a horse anymore, it's about what is always has been about....money.
If they have it as a rule they should keep it. It is just one more example of lowering your standards. |
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Location: SW MO | Murphy - 2014-05-19 10:43 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
Well like I said it's just my opinion. LOL & that about worth a 1/2 cent |
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| crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
Fair enough -however- the past champions did their best with what they had in body, technology, and technique. The present and future champions should be afforded the same chance. |
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Location: SW MO | Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 10:51 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
I see it as this isn't just any athlete this is the triple crown winner & him having to have an aid to win just takes something away from his greatness. If he has to have that to win then is he as great as past winners. Would he have been able to win with it? We'll never know |
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Location: Washington | crossspur - 2014-05-19 8:45 AM fatchance - 2014-05-19 9:46 AM Lobo - 2014-05-19 7:21 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 9:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) I don't think he will either. Too many stalking him that have had plenty of rest.
Just my personal opinion, I wouldn't run him. California Chrome doesn't have a thing to prove.
The NY stewards needs to make a decision about flair strips then put it in the books. They need to stop having say who can't and who can use them. It truly is that simple.
The owners are on record calling CC the people's horse, well the people want a Triple Crown winner. And the amount of money Belmont and New York will make if CC runs is staggering. Not sure it is about a horse anymore, it's about what is always has been about....money.
There was never a rule on it. It was the Belmont stewards that had the say, and that is never a good idea. After the voting by the racing commisson and the Jockey Club it will be in the books, as it needs to be. |
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| crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:59 AM
Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 10:51 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
So by your way of thinking he should not run in blinkers or have his tongue tied either? After all these are aids to. |
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| crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:59 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 10:51 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
I might agree with you if we had a Triple Crown winner every year or at least frequently.
The horse that wins the Triple Crown is a champion, aids or no aids.
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| Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 11:22 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:59 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 10:51 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
The horse that wins the Triple Crown is a champion, aids or no aids.
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Location: SW MO | Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 11:22 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:59 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 10:51 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
The horse that wins the Triple Crown is a champion, aids or no aids.
Ok for me it's just the opposite the reasons you listed are the reasons I'm against it. But like I said it's just me. I'm not saying anyone else is right or wrong. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | " I see it as this isn't just any athlete this is the triple crown winner & him having to have an aid to win just takes something away from his greatness. If he has to have that to win then is he as great as past winners. Would he have been able to win with it? We'll never know"
This statement made me chuckle a bit. I get what you are saying/feeling...but one of the universally agreed greatest horses ever...Secretariat... Ran his TC races with a hood/blinkers to help him focus and run better. He wasn't as good without them apparently. Does that diminish his greatness? Not for me it doesn't. But at the time it was seen as a potential weakness. Much as the nasal strip discussion today.
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Location: SE Louisiana | crossspur - 2014-05-19 9:00 AM
My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway )
Ya know.... I don't think he can win either.... But they allow blinders as aids and other things as well.... |
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Location: Sperry, OK | crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:59 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 10:51 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 11:40 AM Just Plain Lucky - 2014-05-19 9:44 AM crossspur - 2014-05-19 10:00 AM My question is though do you really want the next triple crown winner to need an aid to run.
( JMO I don't think he can win anyway ) Because shoes, certain bits, boots, and blinkers aren't aids?
So does that mean they shouldn't allow them to run on Lasix? Should they have to be able to run at that caliber without bleeding to be considered great? Lasix even has the potential to be performance inhancing since it is a vasodialator, we are talking about nose strips to just allow a little more air flow, that is all. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | Definitely some California Chrome haters going on...yay California Chrome! Went to the Santa Anita Race Track this past weekend and they showed the Preakness on the big screen. Haven't heard the crowd get that excited and loud since Zenyatta. This is what we need right now. A fantastic story with a fantastic ending. Glad he gets to wear his nasal strips. GO CALIFORNIA CHROME! I'm rooting for the Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner California Chrome. |
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Location: SW MO | Ok so once again you all have made me sorry I said anything. I said it was just my feelings on the subject. Why did you paint your house the color you did? Why did you buy the brand of car you did? Because it's you opinion how you feel & what you like.
I maybe very wrong in my line of thinking & and I said my opinion wasn't worth a lot, but I think I should still be able to have that opinion
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Location: SE Louisiana | As I understand it, they don't even know that he IS a bleeder... and I can just see and hear the reaction of the country if he ran and won without the strip only to have blood pouring out of his nose in the winner circle... Yeah.. Guess they will let horses wear them from now on rather than have that happen.. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | crossspur - 2014-05-19 12:30 PM Ok so once again you all have made me sorry I said anything. I said it was just my feelings on the subject. Why did you paint your house the color you did? Why did you buy the brand of car you did? Because it's you opinion how you feel & what you like.
I maybe very wrong in my line of thinking & and I said my opinion wasn't worth a lot, but I think I should still be able to have that opinion
You can and should absolutely have and share your opinion...but don't expect it to occur in a vacuum. We have opinions about your opinion and in the spirit of information exchange and friendly debate we are likely to share those opinions too.
Truly...you can't expect all others to agree. And I felt a valid point needed to be made as far as the perception of what constitutes a great horse...aids or no. I thought perhaps you didn't know that the great Secretariat also faced nay-sayers (or is that Neigh-sayers) in his day over his use of the hood/blinkers.
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Location: SW MO | TrailGirl - 2014-05-19 1:10 PM crossspur - 2014-05-19 12:30 PM Ok so once again you all have made me sorry I said anything. I said it was just my feelings on the subject. Why did you paint your house the color you did? Why did you buy the brand of car you did? Because it's you opinion how you feel & what you like.
I maybe very wrong in my line of thinking & and I said my opinion wasn't worth a lot, but I think I should still be able to have that opinion
You can and should absolutely have and share your opinion...but don't expect it to occur in a vacuum. We have opinions about your opinion and in the spirit of information exchange and friendly debate we are likely to share those opinions too.
Truly...you can't expect all others to agree. And I felt a valid point needed to be made as far as the perception of what constitutes a great horse...aids or no. I thought perhaps you didn't know that the great Secretariat also faced nay-sayers (or is that Neigh-sayers) in his day over his use of the hood/blinkers.
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