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| Picking up a colt from a race trainer in a week. I've seen pictures of some people's horses and they keep the same muscle, coat quality, and never look like they miss a beat in condition. How do you guys do that? Every single time we get one off the track they go through about a month or so of looking like crap coming off of all the feed, vitamins, etc they were on. What extra care if any do y'all give to those off the track to help them adjust without them missing a beat?
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Location: NE Texas | Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do for them, depending on what they were on at the track, sometimes they will turn inside out when coming off of it. Chances are that those you see who don't show that weren't on the stuff that does this to them. I would say your best bet is to give them something for ulcers and then just feed and hay as usual. Good luck with your horse and keep us posted! | |
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| Herbie - 2014-05-20 8:30 AM
Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do for them, depending on what they were on at the track, sometimes they will turn inside out when coming off of it. Chances are that those you see who don't show that weren't on the stuff that does this to them. I would say your best bet is to give them something for ulcers and then just feed and hay as usual. Good luck with your horse and keep us posted!
LOL! Well in the past I had one we put on the ulcer stuff from THE and he was the only one that stayed in what I'd call good flesh and condition. I'm thinking of doing MM then adding stuff for ulcers and maybe a lil nutrena empower. He is going to get about 3 weeks vacation being turned out to be a horse but after that I wanna bring him right up and start riding that sucker without having to worry about his condition or being embarrassed to take him to a show because he looks scruffy.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Are you able to ask the trainer what kind of "vitamins" they have him on? I'd ask, if you can, and try to keep his feed, vitamins, schedule, alfalfa as close to the same as possible. | |
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| Well he won't be getting but a flake once a day of alfalfa at my house so that won't stay the same because now he's getting it 2 twice a day for his full portion of hay. Feed will switch from the trainers grain mix to our pellet mix so that will change. I am buying a bag of his feed to mix for awhile so its not such a horrible transition. Trainer gives whatever supplements are sponsoring him at the time so his supplements change depending on what he's been given free to feed out.
Now that I've thought about it I feel that giving that one gelding ulcer stuff was the only reasons he didn't lose condition. I was looking for ulcer products to give just to run through him and lord has the game changed since I looked into all that. LOL | |
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Location: Lala Land | Mine was on Omalene 200 and I kept him on it for a week or two and mixed in rice bran then slowly took him off the omalene. He fell off a little, but didn't look scruffy. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | WalknFaith - 2014-05-20 9:02 AM Well he won't be getting but a flake once a day of alfalfa at my house so that won't stay the same because now he's getting it 2 twice a day for his full portion of hay. Feed will switch from the trainers grain mix to our pellet mix so that will change. I am buying a bag of his feed to mix for awhile so its not such a horrible transition. Trainer gives whatever supplements are sponsoring him at the time so his supplements change depending on what he's been given free to feed out. Now that I've thought about it I feel that giving that one gelding ulcer stuff was the only reasons he didn't lose condition. I was looking for ulcer products to give just to run through him and lord has the game changed since I looked into all that. LOL
Do you feed coastal the rest of the time? You don't mean he'll only get one flake of hay daily? | |
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| MS2011 - 2014-05-20 9:57 AM
WalknFaith - 2014-05-20 9:02 AM Well he won't be getting but a flake once a day of alfalfa at my house so that won't stay the same because now he's getting it 2 twice a day for his full portion of hay. Feed will switch from the trainers grain mix to our pellet mix so that will change. I am buying a bag of his feed to mix for awhile so its not such a horrible transition. Trainer gives whatever supplements are sponsoring him at the time so his supplements change depending on what he's been given free to feed out. Now that I've thought about it I feel that giving that one gelding ulcer stuff was the only reasons he didn't lose condition. I was looking for ulcer products to give just to run through him and lord has the game changed since I looked into all that. LOL
Do you feed coastal the rest of the time? You don't mean he'll only get one flake of hay daily?
-_- lol no I mean he'll get a nice timothy/orchard grass mix from our fields for the rest of his hay rations but we give one flake alfalfa just for the added minerals in the evenings
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | Great post...I thought I was the only one. I purchased one that had been put out to pasture through the winter after running his last race in July 2013. Coming off of his supplements to nothing but pasture and sweet feed (and probably not much of that)really did a number on his conditioning, coat quality and he is just really low energy.
I just ordered T.H.E. Muscle Mass but I have had him on Ulcer treatment, good deworming and Safe Choice with Alfalfa Pellets. His coat is coming around and he looks like he is going in the right direction now. Energy level is better, shedding...yes still has his coat, and he is getting his muscle tone back. I will post before and after pics. | |
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| BabyJ - 2014-05-20 10:46 AM
Great post...I thought I was the only one. I purchased one that had been put out to pasture through the winter after running his last race in July 2013. Coming off of his supplements to nothing but pasture and sweet feed (and probably not much of that)really did a number on his conditioning, coat quality and he is just really low energy.
I just ordered T.H.E. Muscle Mass but I have had him on Ulcer treatment, good deworming and Safe Choice with Alfalfa Pellets. His coat is coming around and he looks like he is going in the right direction now. Energy level is better, shedding...yes still has his coat, and he is getting his muscle tone back. I will post before and after pics.
You are def not the only one!! I hate losing muscle on one! | |
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Location: PNW | Keep the turkeys away..... That's the most important step....
When I brought mine home, I kicked him out to pasture for three months and let him "come down" off the racetrack and then bloom up again. I tossed him alfalfa twice a day, but totally unnecessarily as he was on a 40 acre BEAUTIFUL pasture all by himself. He was also getting WellSolve L/S and Max-E-Glo with a mineral supplement. He didn't ever look "ohmygodmyhorseisdying!!!!" thin until the turkeys started attacking him. Those feathered sonsabiatches. | |
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| svincent - 2014-05-20 2:12 PM Keep the turkeys away..... That's the most important step.... When I brought mine home, I kicked him out to pasture for three months and let him "come down" off the racetrack and then bloom up again. I tossed him alfalfa twice a day, but totally unnecessarily as he was on a 40 acre BEAUTIFUL pasture all by himself. He was also getting WellSolve L/S and Max-E-Glo with a mineral supplement. He didn't ever look "ohmygodmyhorseisdying!!!!" thin until the turkeys started attacking him. Those feathered sonsabiatches.
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Location: Ft Worth TX | My gelding was kept on winstrol and he was never rescue thin after i got him but he did get thin. I have been packing him free choice alfalfa cubes + a 12/10 grain + equipride + WGO and he still is not where we want him- strongly considering putting him back on winstrol | |
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Location: NE Texas | Don't put him back on the Winstrol. There is a reason that it takes some of these horses a long time to get back to looking good, and if they really fall off and look really bad, then it isn't just simply vitamins and minerals they were on no matter what the trainer has told you. If a horse is on the really bad stuff, their hair coat will turn inside out and they will look like hell for a long time. Their feet might go through a really bad spell as well where they abcess, and are very "shelly". The worst thing you can do is put them on Winstrol if they don't need it. Winstrol (Clenbuterol) when used as it was created to be is a good drug, but like everything else, when abused and used long term, the effects can be bad, especially when a horse is detoxing from it. Now add a few other unknowns to the Clenbuterol and you've got a horse who is very chemically dependent and when pulled off of it, his body is going to suffer and go through a bad spell. That's how you KNOW if they were on the stuff that is illegal.
Don't over do anything....just feed them like a normal horse, maybe add ulcer treatment, but let their body detox and come back naturally. It can take a while, but they will get there. | |
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| svincent - 2014-05-20 2:12 PM Keep the turkeys away..... That's the most important step.... When I brought mine home, I kicked him out to pasture for three months and let him "come down" off the racetrack and then bloom up again. I tossed him alfalfa twice a day, but totally unnecessarily as he was on a 40 acre BEAUTIFUL pasture all by himself. He was also getting WellSolve L/S and Max-E-Glo with a mineral supplement. He didn't ever look "ohmygodmyhorseisdying!!!!" thin until the turkeys started attacking him. Those feathered sonsabiatches.
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Location: PNW | Herbie - 2014-05-20 3:16 PM
Don't put him back on the Winstrol. There is a reason that it takes some of these horses a long time to get back to looking good, and if they really fall off and look really bad, then it isn't just simply vitamins and minerals they were on no matter what the trainer has told you. If a horse is on the really bad stuff, their hair coat will turn inside out and they will look like hell for a long time. Their feet might go through a really bad spell as well where they abcess, and are very "shelly". The worst thing you can do is put them on Winstrol if they don't need it. Winstrol (Clenbuterol) when used as it was created to be is a good drug, but like everything else, when abused and used long term, the effects can be bad, especially when a horse is detoxing from it. Now add a few other unknowns to the Clenbuterol and you've got a horse who is very chemically dependent and when pulled off of it, his body is going to suffer and go through a bad spell. That's how you KNOW if they were on the stuff that is illegal.
Don't over do anything....just feed them like a normal horse, maybe add ulcer treatment, but let their body detox and come back naturally. It can take a while, but they will get there.
I'm just curious because I'm TOTALLY unfamiliar with track practices/feeding/care/etc. (good and bad). What are some of these "bad stuff"s that track horses may be on? And what are their purposes? | |
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Location: NE Texas | svincent - 2014-05-20 3:20 PM Herbie - 2014-05-20 3:16 PM Don't put him back on the Winstrol. There is a reason that it takes some of these horses a long time to get back to looking good, and if they really fall off and look really bad, then it isn't just simply vitamins and minerals they were on no matter what the trainer has told you. If a horse is on the really bad stuff, their hair coat will turn inside out and they will look like hell for a long time. Their feet might go through a really bad spell as well where they abcess, and are very "shelly". The worst thing you can do is put them on Winstrol if they don't need it. Winstrol (Clenbuterol) when used as it was created to be is a good drug, but like everything else, when abused and used long term, the effects can be bad, especially when a horse is detoxing from it. Now add a few other unknowns to the Clenbuterol and you've got a horse who is very chemically dependent and when pulled off of it, his body is going to suffer and go through a bad spell. That's how you KNOW if they were on the stuff that is illegal.
Don't over do anything....just feed them like a normal horse, maybe add ulcer treatment, but let their body detox and come back naturally. It can take a while, but they will get there. I'm just curious because I'm TOTALLY unfamiliar with track practices/feeding/care/etc. (good and bad ). What are some of these "bad stuff"s that track horses may be on? And what are their purposes?
I can tell you straight up that there are very few race horse trainers that run their horses WITHOUT these aids. I know that two of them can be found right here on this board and I applaud them for taking the stand and doing it naturally! I'd personally like to thank total performance for the job she did with my colt. We didn't win anything in the two outs we gave him, but we knew it would be a long shot when we sent him. She took a colt that I had about $400 invested in, that wasn't currently fashionably bred and trained him just as if he were an own son of PYC or Ivory James and gave him a shot. He proved to us that he had some speed by working an 11.7 at 220 when he got his gate card, and we gave him a couple of chances to win something. When he didn't I brought him home and started him in the spring and he was so easy to go on with, no down time, no need for detox and in 45 days of riding off the track he looked like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU&list=UUXl2eKL4paH2H8ZfJtFJqJw
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svincent - 2014-05-20 3:20 PM Herbie - 2014-05-20 3:16 PM Don't put him back on the Winstrol. There is a reason that it takes some of these horses a long time to get back to looking good, and if they really fall off and look really bad, then it isn't just simply vitamins and minerals they were on no matter what the trainer has told you. If a horse is on the really bad stuff, their hair coat will turn inside out and they will look like hell for a long time. Their feet might go through a really bad spell as well where they abcess, and are very "shelly". The worst thing you can do is put them on Winstrol if they don't need it. Winstrol (Clenbuterol) when used as it was created to be is a good drug, but like everything else, when abused and used long term, the effects can be bad, especially when a horse is detoxing from it. Now add a few other unknowns to the Clenbuterol and you've got a horse who is very chemically dependent and when pulled off of it, his body is going to suffer and go through a bad spell. That's how you KNOW if they were on the stuff that is illegal.
Don't over do anything....just feed them like a normal horse, maybe add ulcer treatment, but let their body detox and come back naturally. It can take a while, but they will get there. I'm just curious because I'm TOTALLY unfamiliar with track practices/feeding/care/etc. (good and bad ). What are some of these "bad stuff"s that track horses may be on? And what are their purposes?
I can tell you straight up that there are very few race horse trainers that run their horses WITHOUT these aids. I know that two of them can be found right here on this board and I applaud them for taking the stand and doing it naturally! I'd personally like to thank total performance for the job she did with my colt. We didn't win anything in the two outs we gave him, but we knew it would be a long shot when we sent him. She took a colt that I had about $400 invested in, that wasn't currently fashionably bred and trained him just as if he were an own son of PYC or Ivory James and gave him a shot. He proved to us that he had some speed by working an 11.7 at 220 when he got his gate card, and we gave him a couple of chances to win something. When he didn't I brought him home and started him in the spring and he was so easy to go on with, no down time, no need for detox and in 45 days of riding off the track he looked like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU&list=UUXl2eKL4paH2H8ZfJtFJqJw
I know the one I'm getting gets a compounded version of Ventipulmin as this trainer is very fond of it and feels any race horse needs it. I know he'll have a period where he loses some but I'm hoping we just don't turn into a horse with DTs lol
I'm gonna run a 4 week ulcer treatment through him. Keep him on good feed with lots of turn out and hope for the best. Thanks for the advice! | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | WalknFaith - 2014-05-21 8:49 AM Herbie - 2014-05-20 3:32 PM svincent - 2014-05-20 3:20 PM Herbie - 2014-05-20 3:16 PM Don't put him back on the Winstrol. There is a reason that it takes some of these horses a long time to get back to looking good, and if they really fall off and look really bad, then it isn't just simply vitamins and minerals they were on no matter what the trainer has told you. If a horse is on the really bad stuff, their hair coat will turn inside out and they will look like hell for a long time. Their feet might go through a really bad spell as well where they abcess, and are very "shelly". The worst thing you can do is put them on Winstrol if they don't need it. Winstrol (Clenbuterol) when used as it was created to be is a good drug, but like everything else, when abused and used long term, the effects can be bad, especially when a horse is detoxing from it. Now add a few other unknowns to the Clenbuterol and you've got a horse who is very chemically dependent and when pulled off of it, his body is going to suffer and go through a bad spell. That's how you KNOW if they were on the stuff that is illegal.
Don't over do anything....just feed them like a normal horse, maybe add ulcer treatment, but let their body detox and come back naturally. It can take a while, but they will get there. I'm just curious because I'm TOTALLY unfamiliar with track practices/feeding/care/etc. (good and bad ). What are some of these "bad stuff"s that track horses may be on? And what are their purposes?
I can tell you straight up that there are very few race horse trainers that run their horses WITHOUT these aids. I know that two of them can be found right here on this board and I applaud them for taking the stand and doing it naturally! I'd personally like to thank total performance for the job she did with my colt. We didn't win anything in the two outs we gave him, but we knew it would be a long shot when we sent him. She took a colt that I had about $400 invested in, that wasn't currently fashionably bred and trained him just as if he were an own son of PYC or Ivory James and gave him a shot. He proved to us that he had some speed by working an 11.7 at 220 when he got his gate card, and we gave him a couple of chances to win something. When he didn't I brought him home and started him in the spring and he was so easy to go on with, no down time, no need for detox and in 45 days of riding off the track he looked like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU&list=UUXl2eKL4paH2H8ZfJtFJqJw I know the one I'm getting gets a compounded version of Ventipulmin as this trainer is very fond of it and feels any race horse needs it. I know he'll have a period where he loses some but I'm hoping we just don't turn into a horse with DTs lol I'm gonna run a 4 week ulcer treatment through him. Keep him on good feed with lots of turn out and hope for the best. Thanks for the advice!
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Location: NE Texas | WalknFaith - 2014-05-21 9:49 AM Herbie - 2014-05-20 3:32 PM svincent - 2014-05-20 3:20 PM Herbie - 2014-05-20 3:16 PM Don't put him back on the Winstrol. There is a reason that it takes some of these horses a long time to get back to looking good, and if they really fall off and look really bad, then it isn't just simply vitamins and minerals they were on no matter what the trainer has told you. If a horse is on the really bad stuff, their hair coat will turn inside out and they will look like hell for a long time. Their feet might go through a really bad spell as well where they abcess, and are very "shelly". The worst thing you can do is put them on Winstrol if they don't need it. Winstrol (Clenbuterol) when used as it was created to be is a good drug, but like everything else, when abused and used long term, the effects can be bad, especially when a horse is detoxing from it. Now add a few other unknowns to the Clenbuterol and you've got a horse who is very chemically dependent and when pulled off of it, his body is going to suffer and go through a bad spell. That's how you KNOW if they were on the stuff that is illegal.
Don't over do anything....just feed them like a normal horse, maybe add ulcer treatment, but let their body detox and come back naturally. It can take a while, but they will get there. I'm just curious because I'm TOTALLY unfamiliar with track practices/feeding/care/etc. (good and bad ). What are some of these "bad stuff"s that track horses may be on? And what are their purposes?
I can tell you straight up that there are very few race horse trainers that run their horses WITHOUT these aids. I know that two of them can be found right here on this board and I applaud them for taking the stand and doing it naturally! I'd personally like to thank total performance for the job she did with my colt. We didn't win anything in the two outs we gave him, but we knew it would be a long shot when we sent him. She took a colt that I had about $400 invested in, that wasn't currently fashionably bred and trained him just as if he were an own son of PYC or Ivory James and gave him a shot. He proved to us that he had some speed by working an 11.7 at 220 when he got his gate card, and we gave him a couple of chances to win something. When he didn't I brought him home and started him in the spring and he was so easy to go on with, no down time, no need for detox and in 45 days of riding off the track he looked like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU&list=UUXl2eKL4paH2H8ZfJtFJqJw I know he'll have a period where he loses some but I'm hoping we just don't turn into a horse with DTs lol I'm gonna run a 4 week ulcer treatment through him. Keep him on good feed with lots of turn out and hope for the best. Thanks for the advice!
I would definitely do a round of ulcer treatment and then maybe a preventative if she is back to diving into her feed bucket after the 4 week treatment period.
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