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Location: Wyoming- where its always windy! | Have you ever used a tie down like this before? If so, do you run in it? I recently started running my mare in a tie down and she's working a lot better, just curious on opinions on this particular style, with the gag type action. TIA
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Location: Somewhere around here | I'm curious to see about this too. The only thing it makes me think of is that I would have to use it on more of a stubborn horse. Not because of the lttle gag action but because it is all rope. |
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| I use one on my good horse but the noseband isn't "skinny hard" rope like in the picture, it's thicker and softer. The rest of the tie down is rope. His previous owner ran him in this and gave it to me when I bought him so I've kept him in it. I don't know the reason she put him in this setup, I just know it works for him. Sorry not much help.... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | chasincans85 - 2014-05-23 3:38 AM Have you ever used a tie down like this before? If so, do you run in it? I recently started running my mare in a tie down and she's working a lot better, just curious on opinions on this particular style, with the gag type action. TIA http://www.nrsworld.com/martin-saddlery/martin-headset-tiedown-with...
This one adds poll pressure. It all depends on what your horse needs. I've never felt the need to use this type myself, but would if I thought a horse needed it. |
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Location: NE Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-23 8:42 AM chasincans85 - 2014-05-23 3:38 AM Have you ever used a tie down like this before? If so, do you run in it? I recently started running my mare in a tie down and she's working a lot better, just curious on opinions on this particular style, with the gag type action. TIA http://www.nrsworld.com/martin-saddlery/martin-headset-tiedown-with... This one adds poll pressure. It all depends on what your horse needs. I've never felt the need to use this type myself, but would if I thought a horse needed it.
To the op, we have used these on calf horses and barrel horses.....I think this is for a horse who has a tendency to be natrually higher headed. Some horses balance on a tie down by pushing into it in a forward motion, others balance on it by elevating their head/neck. Neither one is a bad situation....when I say balance on it, I mean that in a good way, as a tie down is intended....to give them something to push against in a turn or stop....not actually to tie their head down. A tie down for me is a balance tool, not to specifically keep a horse from elevating or nosing out. The type I used mostly depends the horse's conformation and their running style. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | LOL at Herbie. Yes, yes I do use a (gasp) tiedown. So there.
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Location: Texas | I use this type of tie down. I like it because it seems to be a little more freeing for my horse. The "standard" tie down hits him too quick and he almost panics. This gives him a little more allowance to move his nose out. The regular type tie downs I have use before, the horse seemed to brace or balance on the noseband. My horse now does not balance on it. It hits his poll first and allows him to get his nose out there. But if he decides to throw his nose in the air, it is going to stop him. |
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Location: NE Texas | And you posted a pic with a tie down...you brave soul! HA! Love it....
Nice pic, T4L! And nice tie down, of course!  |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I'm a bhw pioneer. I think my gelding ran extra hard that day because he was embarrassed by his flower leg wraps. Hehe
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| TIE DOWNS ... You mean the DEVIL OF ALL TRAINING METHODS!!!??? bahahahahaha. sorry OP, I couldn't resist.
Yes, I have used a similar tie down. Mine had a leather flat band instead of all rope across the nose like the one you posted. I liked it on a younger horse that was still getting the "feel" of a tie down and how it was used to help correct his behavior when my other cues were either 1) off because I happen to be human 2) not clear for whatever the heck reason 3) well you get it, its a tool. I eventually moved him into a regular flat leather nose tie down without the gag action on the side. I personally like the gag action ... the rope bits across the nose would be more harsh than what I was using, but it sure will be clear to that horse where their head is supposed to be with a nice release of pressure from the poll.
I still use tie downs to help my good mare balance during runs, I like them when used correctly. Be careful with this one, it will be harsh the first time your horse hits it and I'd be prepared for them to go up instead of out during that first ride with it ... especially if you haven't been using a tie down on them before this.
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Location: Online | That's a very common tie down. I see it all the time. I have used it before. Not a big deal. I've seen worse - like the brain chain. This one works more on pole pressure, and is effective to give a horse a good "head set". I wouldn't use it all the time, just when a horse needs a reminder of where his head belongs.
And *GASP* I have used a tie down on some horses. I am not using one on anything currently though. When I think they need one, I use one. |
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Location: NE Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-23 9:06 AM I'm a bhw pioneer. I think my gelding ran extra hard that day because he was embarrassed by his flower leg wraps. Hehe 
OP, this is the same kind of tie down you are asking about....it also has chain over the poll....as you can see, both are loose...he would balance on it when he went to set for the turn so he wouldn't lose his hind end. Sucker was a freight train that could turn on a dime!
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Location: Texas | I have used it on three horses now and I have never had one go up in it or freak out. I do, however, ride it loose. Again, I am not looking for my horse to balance on it, I basically want it there IF I need it. My horse doesn't so much as have his nose hair ruffled after a run. I think it is all in what your goal is and how you adjust it. As with a lot of tack, it is only as harsh as you make it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Oh my! A chain head setter and leopard print...I'm impressed with your intestinal fortitude.  |
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| barrels1 - 2014-05-23 9:01 AM
I use this type of tie down. I like it because it seems to be a little more freeing for my horse. The "standard" tie down hits him too quick and he almost panics. This gives him a little more allowance to move his nose out. The regular type tie downs I have use before, the horse seemed to brace or balance on the noseband. My horse now does not balance on it. It hits his poll first and allows him to get his nose out there. But if he decides to throw his nose in the air, it is going to stop him.
much better said than how I put it. |
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Location: Online | Herbie - 2014-05-23 8:14 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-23 9:06 AM I'm a bhw pioneer. I think my gelding ran extra hard that day because he was embarrassed by his flower leg wraps. Hehe
Wow, you're walking on thin ice posting that picture on here!!  (Clutching chest)
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Location: MN | barrels1 - 2014-05-23 9:01 AM
I use this type of tie down. I like it because it seems to be a little more freeing for my horse. The "standard" tie down hits him too quick and he almost panics. This gives him a little more allowance to move his nose out. The regular type tie downs I have use before, the horse seemed to brace or balance on the noseband. My horse now does not balance on it. It hits his poll first and allows him to get his nose out there. But if he decides to throw his nose in the air, it is going to stop him.
This! My mare is pretty soft in the face and has a fine line between not enough and too much when it comes to head gear. She hated a standard tie down, but the give in a head setter style fits her well. She isn't high headed either. |
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Location: NE Texas | rodeomom13 - 2014-05-23 9:23 AM Herbie - 2014-05-23 8:14 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-23 9:06 AM I'm a bhw pioneer. I think my gelding ran extra hard that day because he was embarrassed by his flower leg wraps. Hehe
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Location: SE KS | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-23 8:42 AM
chasincans85 - 2014-05-23 3:38 AM Have you ever used a tie down like this before? If so, do you run in it? I recently started running my mare in a tie down and she's working a lot better, just curious on opinions on this particular style, with the gag type action. TIA http://www.nrsworld.com/martin-saddlery/martin-headset-tiedown-with...
This one adds poll pressure. It all depends on what your horse needs. I've never felt the need to use this type myself, but would if I thought a horse needed it.
I use this on a colt we have, he had 90 days on him by one guy & another trainer put 30 more on him & suggested we use this kind of tie down, so that it would make him "work/think" more about keeping his head down. The higher his head, & he is a high headed colt, the more "pressure" he receives from the tie down, with out just being a constant pressure on a noseband tiedown.
Don't know if this comes across like I want it to or not. Also don't know if this was part of the original question of the OP!! LOL
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Location: Heart of Texas | I had a horse come over on a friend who used a head setter on a him. It was loose but as soon as he hit it, he went up. Surprisingly instead of a harsher bit, all he needed was a jim warner hackamore. I'm curious what made ya'll decide he "needed" a head setter or tie down? I'm not critizing but I am curious what actions made you think, hey lets restrict his head movement. A lot of you say your horse "balances" on one. How is that? In my mind, a better foundation would solve the need for a tie down but please correct me. I know a lot of really great riders and trainers use them. |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | Yup...used one on my old gelding, except his was plastic-covered wire cable instead of rope. Don't have one as of yet that needs it, but if I get one that needs it you bet your boots I'll put it on 'em.
Of course, I'm a really bad trainer...I train all of mine in a tie down lol. 
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | jewishprincess - 2014-05-23 4:45 PM I had a horse come over on a friend who used a head setter on a him. It was loose but as soon as he hit it, he went up. Surprisingly instead of a harsher bit, all he needed was a jim warner hackamore. I'm curious what made ya'll decide he "needed" a head setter or tie down? I'm not critizing but I am curious what actions made you think, hey lets restrict his head movement. A lot of you say your horse "balances" on one. How is that? In my mind, a better foundation would solve the need for a tie down but please correct me. I know a lot of really great riders and trainers use them.
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Location: Texas | jewishprincess - 2014-05-23 4:45 PM
I had a horse come over on a friend who used a head setter on a him. It was loose but as soon as he hit it, he went up. Surprisingly instead of a harsher bit, all he needed was a jim warner hackamore. I'm curious what made ya'll decide he "needed" a head setter or tie down? I'm not critizing but I am curious what actions made you think, hey lets restrict his head movement. A lot of you say your horse "balances" on one. How is that? In my mind, a better foundation would solve the need for a tie down but please correct me. I know a lot of really great riders and trainers use them.
You would be hard pressed to find a horse with a better foundation or even a better handle on them than my 5 year old has… I use a loose tie down on him because he just seems to work better in it than not. I use an o'ring with it (I'm well aware that that is not what they are meant to be used with… but tell that to my pony, lol.) I've learned that you do what works for your horse. And a properly adjusted tie-down doesn't restrict head movement.
In regards to the horse rearing up because of the "head setter"… That was a novice move by your friend that caused that. Things that are done for the first time need to be done gradually, not all at once. A good trainer would take their time to let a horse get a "feel" for something new. I'm glad that no one was hurt as a result.
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| I use one on my older gelding. He does it throw his head but uses it to balance around the turn. I've had him 10 years and have tried without. Just runs better with one |
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Location: Dubach, LA | My old man has never "needed" a tie down on the pattern. You could run in a halter. You could probably run with a rope around his neck. He loves barrels. BUT you better have his tie down on when you leave the pen, or he's not stopping. Seems to be an easy fix for a horse that works as hard as he does. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I've found three appendix horses I rode worked better in tie downs. They tended to get ahead of themselves into turns without them because of their natural head and shoulder angle. Tie down helped it almost instantly. I've ridden some pretty compact horses that never needed though. |
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Location: Louisiana | I run T-Bo in a wire tie down 90% of the time. Every now and then I'll put a "normal" one on him, but he seems to prefer the wire that goes over his poll. It only gets "used" during the actual run, just riding around and warming up it's pretty much not there, no contact anyway. I ride him at home in a little draw bit with no tie down so it's not lack of training or handle. When he is running full speed it gives him something to brace on in the turns. I've run him in nothing before and he gets strung out and loses his back end. I guess think of it like a saddle horn. Sure you can turn a barrel without grabbing it, but by using that tool you can push your butt down and stay in better position. He just makes a better run with it. I'm going to try and attach a pic of what I use, I'm on my phone so we'll see if it works...
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Location: Wyoming- where its always windy! | I appreciate everyone's responses. I started using a regular tie down because my horse is very hard running and has a tendency to toss her head when I ask her to rate during our run. The frustrating part is that she's super broke and sensitive. She will do everything perfect at a walk and trot, but when speed is added and I ask her to rate she tosses her head and gets out of frame and gets strung out in her turn. A friend of mine who is a much better trainer than I, recommended using one loosely on her during runs. I have the one adjusted now so that she has freedom but if she goes to toss her head it helps her not lose her frame. I just saw this one on NRS and thought it was kind of a neat concept |
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