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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | the last time my horse had his hock injected he tried to blow the vets head off multiple times- he was sedated heavily literally drooling and bottom lip hanging, I had to hold up his front leg just to try and deter him from kicking which didn't help much. I've never had to inject before last summer and I'm thinking he may need his other hock done. I just found a boney bump on his rear cannon bone which was swollen a week ago but the leg was all scraped up I'm assuming he was fighting with another gelding.any thoughts on that? |
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| Boney bump on cannon bone may be a fractured/bruised cannon bone or damaged splint bone depending on where the lump is.
My vet sedates and uses the twitch, I am not sure the drug cocktail my vet uses, but get the vet to look up what he used and try different sedatives. |
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Location: WI | You could try putting him completely under, I heard there is an old vet around here that does that and lays them down. I guess he's fragile, lol |
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Location: Down South Mississippi | Yeah I would lay him down!
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Location: Down South Mississippi | Yeah I would lay him down!
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | so it is possible to lady them down and inject huh? I was thinking they had to be standing on it for some reason but I'd love that it its less stress on him. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-28 9:07 PM
Boney bump on cannon bone may be a fractured/bruised cannon bone or damaged splint bone depending on where the lump is.
My vet sedates and uses the twitch, I am not sure the drug cocktail my vet uses, but get the vet to look up what he used and try different sedatives.
if there was a fracture he would most likely be lame right? I only noticed swelling and no lameness at all I gave bute and inflammation is gone. Been rubbing sore no more on it just for piece of mind |
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| FirstFirewater - 2014-05-28 9:35 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-28 9:07 PM
Boney bump on cannon bone may be a fractured/bruised cannon bone or damaged splint bone depending on where the lump is.
My vet sedates and uses the twitch, I am not sure the drug cocktail my vet uses, but get the vet to look up what he used and try different sedatives.
if there was a fracture he would most likely be lame right? I only noticed swelling and no lameness at all I gave bute and inflammation is gone. Been rubbing sore no more on it just for piece of mind
No. My mare had a fractured splint bone and was not lame. I had her looked at by 2 different vets and finally went ahead and xrayed it and discovered 1.5 mths after I noticed it. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | rattleandroll - 2014-05-28 9:48 PM
FirstFirewater - 2014-05-28 9:35 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-28 9:07 PM
Boney bump on cannon bone may be a fractured/bruised cannon bone or damaged splint bone depending on where the lump is.
My vet sedates and uses the twitch, I am not sure the drug cocktail my vet uses, but get the vet to look up what he used and try different sedatives.
if there was a fracture he would most likely be lame right? I only noticed swelling and no lameness at all I gave bute and inflammation is gone. Been rubbing sore no more on it just for piece of mind
No. My mare had a fractured splint bone and was not lame. I had her looked at by 2 different vets and finally went ahead and xrayed it and discovered 1.5 mths after I noticed it.
Oh I'm so not looking forward to a possible fracture because that's just my luck. Do you treat the fracture or let it heal on its own? |
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| FirstFirewater - 2014-05-28 9:35 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-28 9:07 PM
Boney bump on cannon bone may be a fractured/bruised cannon bone or damaged splint bone depending on where the lump is.
My vet sedates and uses the twitch, I am not sure the drug cocktail my vet uses, but get the vet to look up what he used and try different sedatives.
if there was a fracture he would most likely be lame right? I only noticed swelling and no lameness at all I gave bute and inflammation is gone. Been rubbing sore no more on it just for piece of mind
I had two fracture cannon bones neither were lame.
The one I waited and had him vetted at day 12, the vet told me it was a nasty fracture and in the next 3 days his leg could still snap into two.
Bone demineralization occurs for the first 14 days then the healing begins.
A fracture is not the end, both of mine came back sound and running. I did tildren treatments immediately and was back on the lesser damaged one in 4 weeks, the bad one in 6 weeks and had to do 3 months of riding before barrel work |
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| FirstFirewater - 2014-05-28 9:53 PM
rattleandroll - 2014-05-28 9:48 PM
FirstFirewater - 2014-05-28 9:35 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-28 9:07 PM
Boney bump on cannon bone may be a fractured/bruised cannon bone or damaged splint bone depending on where the lump is.
My vet sedates and uses the twitch, I am not sure the drug cocktail my vet uses, but get the vet to look up what he used and try different sedatives.
if there was a fracture he would most likely be lame right? I only noticed swelling and no lameness at all I gave bute and inflammation is gone. Been rubbing sore no more on it just for piece of mind
No. My mare had a fractured splint bone and was not lame. I had her looked at by 2 different vets and finally went ahead and xrayed it and discovered 1.5 mths after I noticed it. Oh I'm so not looking forward to a possible fracture because that's just my luck. Do you treat the fracture or let it heal on its own?
My vet said usually 3 months off and since it was the beginning of winter, I just turned her out. Since hers had already been healing for a month, we didn't do any additional treatments. But she came back this year and running good. No worse for wear. Fractured splint bones are a lot more common than people think. Not to mention the ones that go un diagnosed. All she had was a bump and a little heat that would come and go in it. No swelling and no lameness. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Are you saying that the vet only injected one hock at the last session? If that is the case I would be concerned. Every experienced equine vet that I know of would absolutely do both hocks at the same time.
Additionally putting a horse under general anesthesia carries a lot of risk, even in the healthiest of horses. I would consider it a last ditch effort, when ever other option had been exhausted. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | SC Wrangler - 2014-05-29 10:46 AM Are you saying that the vet only injected one hock at the last session? If that is the case I would be concerned. Every experienced equine vet that I know of would absolutely do both hocks at the same time.
Additionally putting a horse under general anesthesia carries a lot of risk, even in the healthiest of horses. I would consider it a last ditch effort, when ever other option had been exhausted.
Amen to all of that! |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-29 11:00 AM SC Wrangler - 2014-05-29 10:46 AM Are you saying that the vet only injected one hock at the last session? If that is the case I would be concerned. Every experienced equine vet that I know of would absolutely do both hocks at the same time.
Additionally putting a horse under general anesthesia carries a lot of risk, even in the healthiest of horses. I would consider it a last ditch effort, when ever other option had been exhausted. Amen to all of that!
Second Amen to that! |
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| SC Wrangler - 2014-05-29 10:46 AM
Are you saying that the vet only injected one hock at the last session? If that is the case I would be concerned. Every experienced equine vet that I know of would absolutely do both hocks at the same time.
Additionally putting a horse under general anesthesia carries a lot of risk, even in the healthiest of horses. I would consider it a last ditch effort, when ever other option had been exhausted.
There is also a 1:1000 risk with regular sedation too. There is also a risk of infection and/or joint flare each time you inject into a joint.
The op needs to get a diagnosis, and if injections are needed have the discussion with her vet about medications, sedation and weigh the pros and cons. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-29 11:08 AM SC Wrangler - 2014-05-29 10:46 AM Are you saying that the vet only injected one hock at the last session? If that is the case I would be concerned. Every experienced equine vet that I know of would absolutely do both hocks at the same time.
Additionally putting a horse under general anesthesia carries a lot of risk, even in the healthiest of horses. I would consider it a last ditch effort, when ever other option had been exhausted. There is also a 1:1000 risk with regular sedation too. There is also a risk of infection and/or joint flare each time you inject into a joint. The op needs to get a diagnosis, and if injections are needed have the discussion with her vet about medications, sedation and weigh the pros and cons.
When there are that many risks already involved.. the added risk of GA along with the added risk of injury getting up from GA seems totally ill advised IMO! And that is not even discussing the additional cost for GA which would make hock injections totally out of my price range. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | I've been working all morning and just now getting on here... I remember the vet saying they typically do both hocks but his right hock didn't have arthritis like his left one and I had only noticed the left so thats what we injected. I definitely want to be doing what is best for him so whatever you guys recommend I want to discuss with my vet. I also am going to call today and ask about getting a radiograph of his splint where it could be fractured. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | If you want opinions, get radiographs on both hocks. If you are going to inject one, just do both. If your vet isn't willing, then change vets.
It's like you putting a new sole on one sneaker but not the other...I know apples to oranges, but still.....
And find out exactly what kind of sedation that vet used. We have had some horrible horses to deal with the last 20 years and always had a sedative out there somehwere that would work.
Someone help me on this, can you give a horse bute or banamine BEFORE you get them injected? Maybe he's bad because it hurts? |
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Location: Sperry, OK | missroselee - 2014-05-29 1:04 PM If you want opinions, get radiographs on both hocks. If you are going to inject one, just do both. If your vet isn't willing, then change vets.
It's like you putting a new sole on one sneaker but not the other...I know apples to oranges, but still.....
And find out exactly what kind of sedation that vet used. We have had some horrible horses to deal with the last 20 years and always had a sedative out there somehwere that would work.
Someone help me on this, can you give a horse bute or banamine BEFORE you get them injected? Maybe he's bad because it hurts?
I don't think giving them bute or banamine before injections would be harmful... if you are doing a lameness exam you would not want to do this, as it may mask the pain and not give a accurate account of lameness and cause something to be missed. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | missroselee - 2014-05-29 1:04 PM
If you want opinions, get radiographs on both hocks. If you are going to inject one, just do both. If your vet isn't willing, then change vets.
It's like you putting a new sole on one sneaker but not the other...I know apples to oranges, but still.....
And find out exactly what kind of sedation that vet used. We have had some horrible horses to deal with the last 20 years and always had a sedative out there somehwere that would work.
Someone help me on this, can you give a horse bute or banamine BEFORE you get them injected? Maybe he's bad because it hurts?
we did radiographs of both hocks last year. I would think bute would help that's a great idea. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-29 2:07 PM missroselee - 2014-05-29 1:04 PM If you want opinions, get radiographs on both hocks. If you are going to inject one, just do both. If your vet isn't willing, then change vets.
It's like you putting a new sole on one sneaker but not the other...I know apples to oranges, but still.....
And find out exactly what kind of sedation that vet used. We have had some horrible horses to deal with the last 20 years and always had a sedative out there somehwere that would work.
Someone help me on this, can you give a horse bute or banamine BEFORE you get them injected? Maybe he's bad because it hurts? I don't think giving them bute or banamine before injections would be harmful... if you are doing a lameness exam you would not want to do this, as it may mask the pain and not give a accurate account of lameness and cause something to be missed.
Yes definitely not if you were doing an eval. But if you knew you were injecting no matter what, I wonder if it would benefit.
I know we inject my gelding once a year (my retired one) to keep him sound even though we don't ride him. He has spurs in both hocks. We don't xray each year but every third year we do just to keep an eye on changes. He's an angel to do though. I used a new vet last time who didn't even sedate him. I don't know if that was good or bad, but he got him done just the same without sedation. |
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Location: Florida.. | SC Wrangler - 2014-05-29 11:46 AM Are you saying that the vet only injected one hock at the last session? If that is the case I would be concerned. Every experienced equine vet that I know of would absolutely do both hocks at the same time.
Additionally putting a horse under general anesthesia carries a lot of risk, even in the healthiest of horses. I would consider it a last ditch effort, when ever other option had been exhausted.
agree.. because at some point he will need injected again.. and that could be 4 -6 months .. and would you want to put him under again? no... imho Im also shocked he only injected one hock. |
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Location: Midwest | Mine sedates and twitches. I don't think laying one down would be a great idea.
The last time they injected, was the horse already upset prior to sedation?
Mine will fight a little, but when he's sedated enough he won't fuss too much. My vet deals with track horses (STB's) and she's never mentioned putting one under general for something like IA injections! |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-29 2:36 PM
Mine sedates and twitches. I don't think laying one down would be a great idea.
The last time they injected, was the horse already upset prior to sedation?
Mine will fight a little, but when he's sedated enough he won't fuss too much. My vet deals with track horses (STB's) and she's never mentioned putting one under general for something like IA injections!
he's never really upset, he's just a very nervous anxious horse. He's great for vaccinations and deworming even getting his feet and teeth done. The only time he's bad is when I've tried to clip his bridle path then he tries to kill you even when sedated. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | I'm waiting for the vet to call me back. I've shears loved this vet, but now having second thoughts there's another lady in town but I've seen her misdiagnose a few times. |
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injecting hocks on HOT HORSE?