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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Because I'm dumb. In simple steps, what is the process starting with prepping the mare? I don't need to know about collecting from the stallion, just the process with the mare. Once they have been AI'ed, and checked at 14 days, if they check in foal, do you check again at 28 days or ???? |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Last year I took all my mares in March to be checked, all were dorment. No action, so much for my light protocol! April rolls around take the three to be checked again. Two were ready to go, ordered semen. Drove to San Antone' only to chase the %^&%$$# UPS truck all over the place for the Woodbridge dose. Get mares back to clinic as they were with me on the "chase". The first mare had all ready ovulated! Bada Bing Bam slam her with Judge Cash and crossed our fingers. The other mare was a 36 so we give her Mr Woodbridge and think awe, she don't need any drugs her pasture mate ovulated she will too! Next day go back to check that, boo hoo, she didn't pop! Give her drugs to do so then second dose of Mr Woodbridge. Take other mare out of the trailer that was several centimeters smaller on the orginal check. She's ready! Call for Mr Firewater Ta Fame to show up and hope that Shelly's still in the barn collecting him (it was noonish). Thankfully she was. Haul those two back to Vet the next day. UPS arrived as supposed, mare was a 35, gave her a single dose of the handsome FTF, and a shot to make her ovulate. Checked the mare bred to Woodbridge and very relieved that she had ovulated. The next day took the FTF mare back to the vet to check for ovulation. Yep, it occured that $50 shot was worth it! Shook hand of the vet said thanks for a fast and furious week of work with the mares see you in two weeks....it goes on need more? |
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I meant explain the actual procedures. If they check on foal at 14 days first how can you tell and second do you have to or should you recheck at 28 days |
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| missroselee - 2014-05-31 10:49 AM
I meant explain the actual procedures. If they check on foal at 14 days first how can you tell and second do you have to or should you recheck at 28 days
If you look on my facebook (we are friends) I posted a 14 day ultrasound its just a black dot.
My vet said to bring her back at 45 days just to make ssir she did not slip the foal.
To get her ready all I did was brain her in a bunch to see where she was at, and my vet gave me instructions as whe to bring her in next and they took care of ordering semen. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I have never checked later. It is always too late for us or the stallion owner anyways if they were to prove open at 28 days. I mean we foal for May so by 28 days, it would just be later than most stallion owners would ship. I also figure, they can lose that embryo at any point from the time you see it at 14 days to up until they foal. Might as well save the $40 and $150 in fuel and just pray for the best. |
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| We ultrasound until the mare has a good follicle building, then we usually give a shot of des to make them ovulate within 36 hours. So we des the day before we breed, AI the day after des, and palpate again the morning after breeding to make sure they have ovulated. If they ovulate, you check at 14 days to make sure they're pregnant. 28 days you should be able to see a visible heartbeat that's why most people check again at that time. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Down here, we check, as our time window is more "open".
The Judge Cash mare didn't hold her foal she was pregnant then suddenly not. I had a friend come by as I thought she was showing sign of coming back in she checked her found a growing follicle and I called for semen before telling the vet. It all worked out. She has a bouncing baby boy two weeks after the other two. It just depends on the situation. If I'm breeding late I don't worry about rechecks. |
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Location: Oklahoma | We check 14-16 days and again 24-30 days ... will check my older mares again at 60 days |
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| I have a mare in for AI right now, it's my first experience too. I'm procedure-stupid on this stuff so I just dropped her off here:
http://www.wardriverranch.com/index.html
They are handling all the logistics with the stallion owner, ultrasounds, etc. I just got her vacc's up to date and dropped her off. I'll pay the bill when I pick her up after she checks in. Since she's an 18 yr old maiden, it's been a lot longer and trickier than I had hoped, so my bill will probably be a lot bigger than most. |
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| And this is why I buy my colts already on the ground! lol  |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2014-05-31 8:19 AM
Last year I took all my mares in March to be checked, all were dorment. No action, so much for my light protocol! April rolls around take the three to be checked again. Two were ready to go, ordered semen. Drove to San Antone' only to chase the %^&%$$# UPS truck all over the place for the Woodbridge dose. Get mares back to clinic as they were with me on the "chase". The first mare had all ready ovulated! Bada Bing Bam slam her with Judge Cash and crossed our fingers. The other mare was a 36 so we give her Mr Woodbridge and think awe, she don't need any drugs her pasture mate ovulated she will too! Next day go back to check that, boo hoo, she didn't pop! Give her drugs to do so then second dose of Mr Woodbridge. Take other mare out of the trailer that was several centimeters smaller on the orginal check. She's ready! Call for Mr Firewater Ta Fame to show up and hope that Shelly's still in the barn collecting him (it was noonish). Thankfully she was. Haul those two back to Vet the next day. UPS arrived as supposed, mare was a 35, gave her a single dose of the handsome FTF, and a shot to make her ovulate. Checked the mare bred to Woodbridge and very relieved that she had ovulated. The next day took the FTF mare back to the vet to check for ovulation. Yep, it occured that $50 shot was worth it! Shook hand of the vet said thanks for a fast and furious week of work with the mares see you in two weeks....it goes on need more?
This made me l afugh so hard. This was my first year AI ing a horse and I experience all that plus being sprayed in he face with horse semen, its a miracle my horse is in foal lol. |
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| roanrider - 2014-05-31 3:10 PM
And this is why I buy my colts already on the ground! lol
Actually a very economical idea. I have thousands tied up in mine!!!! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | della - 2014-05-31 3:49 PM
uno-dos-tres! - 2014-05-31 8:19 AM
Last year I took all my mares in March to be checked, all were dorment. No action, so much for my light protocol! April rolls around take the three to be checked again. Two were ready to go, ordered semen. Drove to San Antone' only to chase the %^&%$$# UPS truck all over the place for the Woodbridge dose. Get mares back to clinic as they were with me on the "chase". The first mare had all ready ovulated! Bada Bing Bam slam her with Judge Cash and crossed our fingers. The other mare was a 36 so we give her Mr Woodbridge and think awe, she don't need any drugs her pasture mate ovulated she will too! Next day go back to check that, boo hoo, she didn't pop! Give her drugs to do so then second dose of Mr Woodbridge. Take other mare out of the trailer that was several centimeters smaller on the orginal check. She's ready! Call for Mr Firewater Ta Fame to show up and hope that Shelly's still in the barn collecting him (it was noonish). Thankfully she was. Haul those two back to Vet the next day. UPS arrived as supposed, mare was a 35, gave her a single dose of the handsome FTF, and a shot to make her ovulate. Checked the mare bred to Woodbridge and very relieved that she had ovulated. The next day took the FTF mare back to the vet to check for ovulation. Yep, it occured that $50 shot was worth it! Shook hand of the vet said thanks for a fast and furious week of work with the mares see you in two weeks....it goes on need more?
This made me l afugh so hard. This was my first year AI ing a horse and I experience all that plus being sprayed in he face with horse semen, its a miracle my horse is in foal lol.
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Location: Praying that the Lord keeps my babies safe | missroselee - 2014-05-31 11:49 AM I meant explain the actual procedures. If they check on foal at 14 days first how can you tell and second do you have to or should you recheck at 28 days
no, if they check in foal at 14 days, why check again.? Unless they show heat signs again. |
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| roanrider - 2014-05-31 3:10 PM
And this is why I buy my colts already on the ground! lol
Yep. If I didn't want one out of my specific mare and by that specific stud so bad, I would do the same. I could have already paid for a foal on the ground, and we haven't added in feeding the mare all year or foaling vet bills yet. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | paints4me - 2014-05-31 5:13 PM missroselee - 2014-05-31 11:49 AM I meant explain the actual procedures. If they check on foal at 14 days first how can you tell and second do you have to or should you recheck at 28 days no, if they check in foal at 14 days, why check again.? Unless they show heat signs again.
Because I don't know these things. That's why I ask. I'm uneducated when it comes to breeding at all and the only way I'm going to learn is to ask. I just didn't know if there was a reason to check again. My mare is going to be checked in 14 days and I was trying to figure out how soon after that they will expect me to pick her up without sending them a thousand text messages. I've already bombarded them with all sorts of other questions and I know this is a busy time of year for them :) |
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Location: Bandera, TX | missroselee - 2014-05-31 9:40 PM paints4me - 2014-05-31 5:13 PM missroselee - 2014-05-31 11:49 AM I meant explain the actual procedures. If they check on foal at 14 days first how can you tell and second do you have to or should you recheck at 28 days no, if they check in foal at 14 days, why check again.? Unless they show heat signs again.
I'LL CROSS MY FINGERS AND TOES FOR YOU AND SAY A PRAYER! |
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Location: Oklahoma | missroselee - 2014-05-31 9:40 PM paints4me - 2014-05-31 5:13 PM missroselee - 2014-05-31 11:49 AM I meant explain the actual procedures. If they check on foal at 14 days first how can you tell and second do you have to or should you recheck at 28 days no, if they check in foal at 14 days, why check again.? Unless they show heat signs again.
A lot of mare sluff between 14 and heart beat (24 days) so its very good to check again! |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Before I ever dropped her off Bryel mentioned keeping her until the 28 day ultrasound to be sure since she was 7 hours away. I opted to take my mare to her since they have a great AI program rather then ship |
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| missroselee - 2014-05-31 10:29 PM
Before I ever dropped her off Bryel mentioned keeping her until the 28 day ultrasound to be sure since she was 7 hours away. I opted to take my mare to her since they have a great AI program rather then ship
I just did exactly that. She is still open after the second breeding. :-( I'll re breed again next week when she comes back in, but then I'm taking her home (3 hours). If she still doesn't take, I'll cut my losses and buy a colt next year.
I'm sure yours will be easier! Good luck!
I'm not sure I'll do the 28 day check. 14 days for sure, but I'll likely know she's lost the pregnancy if she comes back in |
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Location: In a happy place | missroselee - 2014-05-31 10:29 PM Before I ever dropped her off Bryel mentioned keeping her until the 28 day ultrasound to be sure since she was 7 hours away. I opted to take my mare to her since they have a great AI program rather then ship
I hope you "have a baby on the way." These people really know what they are doing and I respect you for coming on here and asking instead of asking the people that are doing so much to try to get lots of mares settled. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-06-01 8:04 AM missroselee - 2014-05-31 10:29 PM Before I ever dropped her off Bryel mentioned keeping her until the 28 day ultrasound to be sure since she was 7 hours away. I opted to take my mare to her since they have a great AI program rather then ship I hope you "have a baby on the way." These people really know what they are doing and I respect you for coming on here and asking instead of asking the people that are doing so much to try to get lots of mares settled.
Edited to add that it happens to be Missroselee herself that is down there getting bred and I'm not used to that mare NOT being in my barn every day. I've owned her 13 years now......but I am proud to say that I have been doing better with it then I thought, probably because I know where she is and I know there is no reason to worry :)
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Location: USA | I hope you've got a baby coming! I'm also new to this breeding thing and I've had a heck of a time this year getting my mare pregnant (apparently everyone around here has bc our weather has been cray cray). The first go round, my mare had 2 follicles on the left, and one on the right. Apparently one on the left was big, around 50 or so. The vets thought she was going to be ovulating soon. She ended up staying at the vet for about 9 days and had been AI'd 6 different times because she would never release the follicles and ovulate. She finally did and went back for a follow up and no baby. Her uterus looked like a wagon wheel which meant she had some edema in it and is a sign she's in heat and will ovulate soon. She also had one big follicle on the left that was squishy (also a sign of ovulating). They gave her des to try to get her to ovulate and AI'd her twice. 3 days later, she still hadn't ovulated. I decided to bring her to the breeder where we teased her. The first time we teased her, she was just like "who is this hornball and I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing here." We waited a bit and went and looked at all the beautiful babies on the ground and then decided to try to tease her again bc she started showing signs of being in heat. She finally responded, however, the breeder wanted to tease her in front of another stud bc the original one apparently would hump a goat. The second stud will ignore the mare if they aren't in heat and we weren't too sure if she was or not bc her signs weren't really clear. Second stud definitely was interested. I helped collect the stud I wanted to breed her to (which is an entirely new experience) and we AI'd her. She said her cervix was open and she thinks she is in the process of ovulating based on a few other things she noticed. She was going to AI her again today and palpate Monday so everyone keep your fingers crossed!
I defintely want to check at 14 days and again at 28 days just to make sure. My vet isn't but 15 minutes away (luckily) and I don't want to wait to see if she comes in heat, I want to see the proof on the little black and white screen!
This AI experience has been really interesting and I've learned a lot, but it's been a pain at the same time with all the hauling to the vet to have them checked, ordering semen, mare not ovulating, ordering more semen . . . and it goes on and on. However, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
Good luck with your mare and I hope everything works out for ya. Sorry this post is so dang long!!
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Location: Where I am happiest | HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-05-31 10:35 PM missroselee - 2014-05-31 10:29 PM Before I ever dropped her off Bryel mentioned keeping her until the 28 day ultrasound to be sure since she was 7 hours away. I opted to take my mare to her since they have a great AI program rather then ship I just did exactly that. She is still open after the second breeding. :- ( I'll re breed again next week when she comes back in, but then I'm taking her home (3 hours ). If she still doesn't take, I'll cut my losses and buy a colt next year. I'm sure yours will be easier! Good luck! I'm not sure I'll do the 28 day check. 14 days for sure, but I'll likely know she's lost the pregnancy if she comes back in
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | missroselee - 2014-06-01 8:24 AM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-06-01 8:04 AM missroselee - 2014-05-31 10:29 PM Before I ever dropped her off Bryel mentioned keeping her until the 28 day ultrasound to be sure since she was 7 hours away. I opted to take my mare to her since they have a great AI program rather then ship I hope you "have a baby on the way." These people really know what they are doing and I respect you for coming on here and asking instead of asking the people that are doing so much to try to get lots of mares settled.
Edited to add that it happens to be Missroselee herself that is down there getting bred and I'm not used to that mare NOT being in my barn every day. I've owned her 13 years now......but I am proud to say that I have been doing better with it then I thought, probably because I know where she is and I know there is no reason to worry :)
That is awesome you can take her right to the stallion's ranch for breeding. She'll be in good hands. There's no middle man and the stallion owner wants nothing more than to see good healthy babies hit the ground. Good job Missroselee.  |
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Location: CTX | I am also new to the breeding thing. My friend has a couple bred to the same stud and so she did the trailering for me. After my mare was checked at 14 days I brought her home. And since it is my first time I took her in at 34 days to be checked.... mainly because the vet is only 30 mins away, the check is not that bad ($25) and I am very curious (and also paranoid....  ) about the whole thing..... Also I took my other mare in for a health check, so was gonna go that way anyway.
Just to see that little heartbeat is so exciting!
Eta, hope you will have a beautiful bouncing foal running around next year!
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Location: Here | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-06-01 7:04 AM missroselee - 2014-05-31 10:29 PM Before I ever dropped her off Bryel mentioned keeping her until the 28 day ultrasound to be sure since she was 7 hours away. I opted to take my mare to her since they have a great AI program rather then ship I hope you "have a baby on the way." These people really know what they are doing and I respect you for coming on here and asking instead of asking the people that are doing so much to try to get lots of mares settled.
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Location: God's country | My mare is at Granada Farms in Texas and this is what they have told me. We breed the mare, check her at 14 days for pregnancy and then (if I wanted to) leave her another 14 days and they would ultrasound and verify a heartbeat. No baby thus far, but keeping fingers crossed! Good luck with yours. I have another mare that we are trying to get bred to Lions Share of Fame also. Exciting, nerve-wracking stuff! |
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| ThreeCorners - 2014-06-01 10:08 AM
HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-05-31 10:35 PM missroselee - 2014-05-31 10:29 PM Before I ever dropped her off Bryel mentioned keeping her until the 28 day ultrasound to be sure since she was 7 hours away. I opted to take my mare to her since they have a great AI program rather then ship I just did exactly that. She is still open after the second breeding. :- ( I'll re breed again next week when she comes back in, but then I'm taking her home (3 hours ). If she still doesn't take, I'll cut my losses and buy a colt next year. I'm sure yours will be easier! Good luck! I'm not sure I'll do the 28 day check. 14 days for sure, but I'll likely know she's lost the pregnancy if she comes back in
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | missroselee - 2014-05-31 8:48 AM Because I'm dumb. In simple steps, what is the process starting with prepping the mare? I don't need to know about collecting from the stallion, just the process with the mare. Once they have been AI'ed, and checked at 14 days, if they check in foal, do you check again at 28 days or ????
Everyone does it different. We check at 14-15 days and unless the embryos are insured we don't check again until 45 days. After 45 days they are considered "safe in foal" so we don't bother them again after that. If they lose a foal after that they won't cycle again this season anyway. |
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Explain AI breeding to me....